Hot water cylinder position
 

Hi I'm plumbing in a rayburn solid fuel range in our renovated
farmhouse which is "1.5 story" high. Instead of having the cylinder
directly underneath the exp and feed tanks, in the centre of the
upstairs room above the range, would there be any reason not to place
it towards the eves, ie off centre and have the exp pipe running at an
angle approx 40deg about 2mtrs to the exp tank in the apex of the
ceiling.

Hot water cylinder position
 

On Feb 6, 7:17*pm, rog wrote:
Hi I'm plumbing in a rayburn solid fuel range in our renovated
farmhouse which is "1.5 story" high. Instead of having the cylinder
directly underneath the exp and feed tanks, in the centre of the
upstairs room above the range, would there be any reason not to place
it towards the eves, ie off centre and have the exp pipe running at an
angle approx 40deg about 2mtrs to the exp tank in the apex of the
ceiling.

The thing is to keep your pipe runs as short as possible, especially
between the taps and the cylinder. Why not put in a mains pressure
tank you won't need expension tanks?

Hot water cylinder position
 

Why not put in a mains pressure tank *you won't need expension tanks?

Not with a solid fuel appliance - these must have an unpressurised
circuit, as there's no way to shut them down once fired up. They must
also rely on gravity circulation (in case of a power cut).

Caveat - I've never fitted a solid fuel rayburn - only a modern
pressure-jet oil burner. However solid fuel was one of the options I
considered and I had a good think abut how I'd route it in my own
place, and nosed about at other installations.

For your f&e, your routing sounds ok to me. But the main boiler to hw
tank in 28mm - I'd take great care to ensure you follow the Rayburn
installation instructions exactly, to ensure that you have excellent
gravity circulation. Both pipes slope upwards all the way, minimum
number of bends, heat-leak radiator etc. Otherwise you may for
evermore be plagued by kettling/knocking in your boiler.

Hot water cylinder position
 

On 6 Feb, 20:35, " wrote:
Why not put in a mains pressure tank *you won't need expension tanks?

Not with a solid fuel appliance - these must have an unpressurised
circuit, as there's no way to shut them down once fired up. They must
also rely on gravity circulation (in case of a power cut).

Caveat - I've never fitted a solid fuel rayburn - only a modern
pressure-jet oil burner. However solid fuel was one of the options I
considered and I had a good think abut how I'd route it in my own
place, and nosed about at other installations.

For your f&e, your routing sounds ok to me. But the main boiler to hw
tank in 28mm - I'd take great care to ensure you follow the Rayburn
installation instructions exactly, to ensure that you have excellent
gravity circulation. Both pipes slope upwards all the way, minimum
number of bends, heat-leak radiator etc. Otherwise you may for
evermore be plagued by kettling/knocking in your boiler.

Thanks for your reply, another query is as the rads ( fitted with
thermostatic valves ) and heat sink rad are all in the upper storey,
do I need a circulation pump at all; in a previous house with s/f
rayburn the u/s rads were operating ok when pump off, obviously d/s
rads not.

Hot water cylinder position
 

On Feb 6, 8:35*pm, " wrote:
Why not put in a mains pressure tank *you won't need expension tanks?

Not with a solid fuel appliance - these must have an unpressurised
circuit, as there's no way to shut them down once fired up. They must
also rely on gravity circulation (in case of a power cut).

Caveat - I've never fitted a solid fuel rayburn - only a modern
pressure-jet oil burner. However solid fuel was one of the options I
considered and I had a good think abut how I'd route it in my own
place, and nosed about at other installations.

For your f&e, your routing sounds ok to me. But the main boiler to hw
tank in 28mm - I'd take great care to ensure you follow the Rayburn
installation instructions exactly, to ensure that you have excellent
gravity circulation. Both pipes slope upwards all the way, minimum
number of bends, heat-leak radiator etc. Otherwise you may for
evermore be plagued by kettling/knocking in your boiler.

That doesn't preclude the use of mains pressure cylinder.
The Rayburn needs one gravity circuit in case of pump failure to take
away excess heat. This can be a radiator or the hot water cylinder.
If you have never had a fuel range before, they are a very labour
intensive and filthy business. Cooking on a Rayburn in not in the
least like cooking with electricity or gas. Most people get fed up
with the experience quite soon.
They are a tool of last resort, for places where the electricity
supply is uncertain and there is no gas.
As a source of heat, the boiler is small and very inefficient.

Hot water cylinder position
 

On Feb 6, 11:55*pm, rog wrote:
On 6 Feb, 20:35, " wrote:





Why not put in a mains pressure tank *you won't need expension tanks?

Not with a solid fuel appliance - these must have an unpressurised
circuit, as there's no way to shut them down once fired up. They must
also rely on gravity circulation (in case of a power cut).

Caveat - I've never fitted a solid fuel rayburn - only a modern
pressure-jet oil burner. However solid fuel was one of the options I
considered and I had a good think abut how I'd route it in my own
place, and nosed about at other installations.

For your f&e, your routing sounds ok to me. But the main boiler to hw
tank in 28mm - I'd take great care to ensure you follow the Rayburn
installation instructions exactly, to ensure that you have excellent
gravity circulation. Both pipes slope upwards all the way, minimum
number of bends, heat-leak radiator etc. Otherwise you may for
evermore be plagued by kettling/knocking in your boiler.

Thanks for your reply, another query is as the rads ( fitted with
thermostatic valves ) and heat sink rad are all in the upper storey,
do I need a circulation pump at all; in a previous house with s/f
rayburn the u/s rads were operating ok when pump off, obviously d/s
rads not.- Hide quoted text -

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It depends on the layout. Basically speaking the vertical distance of
the extremity of the system needs to be twice the the horizontal
distance between heat source and radiator/cylinder to work well.
There needs to be a vertical column of pipe right next to the heat
source to power it all up. Pipe diameters need to be around twice the
norm for pumped circuits. ie you ideally need radiator with 3/4"
connections. These are available but at a price. Your radiators need
to be twice as big too.
It all can be done, I did it a while back, all in steel pipe. I twas
OK but took a lot longer. Any pump cannot be in series, it would stop
it from working, too much resisitance.. The pump needs to be in a
little bypass loop with a full way valve on the main pipe run that is
closed when the pump is runningPopintless really if the thing works on
gravity.. (There would still need to be a separate gravity safety
circuit in this case.)
Don't even think about thermostatic valves or even angle valves on
the radiators, you need full way straight pattern valves. All to keep
resistance down.