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Filling a gap between new garage door and wall
I have just had a new steel garage door fitted, and it has left a
small (gap 1-2cm high) between the top of the door frame and the brickwork of the garage itself. My (no doubt stupid) question is, what should I use to fill the gap? Cement or a mixture of cement/sand etc? Please let me know what you think, as its a simple job, but I really don't know what to use. |
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On Jan 31, 1:49 pm, lovezoo wrote:
I have just had a new steel garage door fitted, and it has left a small (gap 1-2cm high) between the top of the door frame and the brickwork of the garage itself. My (no doubt stupid) question is, what should I use to fill the gap? Cement or a mixture of cement/sand etc? Please let me know what you think, as its a simple job, but I really don't know what to use. get installer back to finish the job? using squirty expanding foam? Jim K |
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On Jan 31, 2:53*pm, Jim K wrote:
On Jan 31, 1:49 pm, lovezoo wrote: I have just had a new steel garage door fitted, and it has left a small (gap 1-2cm high) between the top of the door frame and the brickwork of the garage itself. My (no doubt stupid) question is, what should I use to fill the gap? Cement or a mixture of cement/sand etc? Please let me know what you think, as its a simple job, but I really don't know what to use. get installer back to finish the job? using squirty expanding foam? Jim K I don't want to use squirty expanding foam, I want a nice smooth cement finish to paint over. 3 parts sand to 1 part cement? Just cement? |
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On Jan 31, 2:05 pm, lovezoo wrote:
On Jan 31, 2:53 pm, Jim K wrote: On Jan 31, 1:49 pm, lovezoo wrote: I have just had a new steel garage door fitted, and it has left a small (gap 1-2cm high) between the top of the door frame and the brickwork of the garage itself. My (no doubt stupid) question is, what should I use to fill the gap? Cement or a mixture of cement/sand etc? Please let me know what you think, as its a simple job, but I really don't know what to use. get installer back to finish the job? using squirty expanding foam? Jim K I don't want to use squirty expanding foam, I want a nice smooth cement finish to paint over. 3 parts sand to 1 part cement? Just cement? but what will your "nice smooth cement" stick to and for how long? Jim K |
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On Jan 31, 3:20*pm, Jim K wrote:
On Jan 31, 2:05 pm, lovezoo wrote: On Jan 31, 2:53 pm, Jim K wrote: On Jan 31, 1:49 pm, lovezoo wrote: I have just had a new steel garage door fitted, and it has left a small (gap 1-2cm high) between the top of the door frame and the brickwork of the garage itself. My (no doubt stupid) question is, what should I use to fill the gap? Cement or a mixture of cement/sand etc? Please let me know what you think, as its a simple job, but I really don't know what to use. get installer back to finish the job? using squirty expanding foam? Jim K I don't want to use squirty expanding foam, I want a nice smooth cement finish to paint over. 3 parts sand to 1 part cement? Just cement? but what will your "nice smooth cement" stick to and for how long? Jim K The top of the doorframe (steel) and the bottom of the brickwork. For 20+ years with any luck. |
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lovezoo wrote:
On Jan 31, 2:53 pm, Jim K wrote: On Jan 31, 1:49 pm, lovezoo wrote: I have just had a new steel garage door fitted, and it has left a small (gap 1-2cm high) between the top of the door frame and the brickwork of the garage itself. My (no doubt stupid) question is, what should I use to fill the gap? Cement or a mixture of cement/sand etc? Please let me know what you think, as its a simple job, but I really don't know what to use. get installer back to finish the job? using squirty expanding foam? Jim K I don't want to use squirty expanding foam, I want a nice smooth cement finish to paint over. 3 parts sand to 1 part cement? Just cement? You'd be much better off using a strip of wood on the outside screwed to the frame, sealed with mastic or backed with expanding foam. About 6:1 soft sand/ cement with a bit of plasticiser in the mix if you insist on mortar. Neat cement would be far too brittle after it's set, and the nature of metal garage door frames is to flex slightly every time the door is operated. Even 6:1 with plasticiser will probably crack in fairly short order. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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lovezoo wrote:
On Jan 31, 3:20 pm, Jim K wrote: but what will your "nice smooth cement" stick to and for how long? Jim K The top of the doorframe (steel) and the bottom of the brickwork. For 20+ years with any luck. Not a hope. Weeks at best with regular use. To make it stay longer, you need to either weld bits of wire along the frame, or put screws in close together, to give a key. Cement won't stick to what is probably painted, smooth steel. If it's not painted, the steel won't last that long anyway. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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lovezoo wrote:
I have just had a new steel garage door fitted, and it has left a small (gap 1-2cm high) between the top of the door frame and the brickwork of the garage itself. My (no doubt stupid) question is, what should I use to fill the gap? Cement or a mixture of cement/sand etc? Please let me know what you think, as its a simple job, but I really don't know what to use. expanding foam and the decoration ( mortar or freame sealer) of your chose at the visual level. |
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John Williamson wrote:
lovezoo wrote: On Jan 31, 2:53 pm, Jim K wrote: On Jan 31, 1:49 pm, lovezoo wrote: I have just had a new steel garage door fitted, and it has left a small (gap 1-2cm high) between the top of the door frame and the brickwork of the garage itself. My (no doubt stupid) question is, what should I use to fill the gap? Cement or a mixture of cement/sand etc? Please let me know what you think, as its a simple job, but I really don't know what to use. get installer back to finish the job? using squirty expanding foam? Jim K I don't want to use squirty expanding foam, I want a nice smooth cement finish to paint over. 3 parts sand to 1 part cement? Just cement? You'd be much better off using a strip of wood on the outside screwed to the frame, sealed with mastic or backed with expanding foam. About 6:1 soft sand/ cement with a bit of plasticiser in the mix if you insist on mortar. Neat cement would be far too brittle after it's set, and the nature of metal garage door frames is to flex slightly every time the door is operated. Even 6:1 with plasticiser will probably crack in fairly short order. Exactly. If its paint you want use foam to fill most of the gap. and acrylic frame sealer that takes paint, to provide an aestheically sound surface. |
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So just squirt the foam in and level it off below the level of the
frame and then later use acrylic sealer on top? I have always found expanding foam really messy and difficult to control, which is why I was not so keen to use it, so any tips gratefully received. |
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On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 06:23:41 -0800 (PST), lovezoo wrote:
but what will your "nice smooth cement" stick to and for how long? The top of the doorframe (steel) and the bottom of the brickwork. Not likely to stick to the frame if it just a flat steel surafce, if it has holes and/or folded grooves it won't fall out but still won't stick. Should stick to the brick. For 20+ years with any luck. You are expecting the steel frame to last that long? -- Cheers Dave. |
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On Jan 31, 2:45*pm, "Dave Liquorice"
wrote: On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 06:23:41 -0800 (PST), lovezoo wrote: but what will your "nice smooth cement" stick to and for how long? The top of the doorframe (steel) and the bottom of the brickwork. Not likely to stick to the frame if it just a flat steel surafce, if it has holes and/or folded grooves it won't fall out but still won't stick. Should stick to the brick. For 20+ years with any luck. You are expecting the steel frame to last that long? -- Cheers Dave. The garage door is not exposed to the elements, as it is under cover. |
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MORE BAD SPELLING FROM THAT TINY ISLAND NATION
"lovezoo" wrote in message
... I have just had a new steel garage door fitted, and it has left a small (gap 1-2cm high) between the top of the door frame and the brickwork of the garage itself. When you say, "I have just had a..... and "it"....? It? Unfortunately for england, schools just aren't what they used to be. It has no referent and is illogical, like much of english history. LOL |
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On Jan 31, 2:44 pm, lovezoo wrote:
So just squirt the foam in and level it off below the level of the frame and then later use acrylic sealer on top? I have always found expanding foam really messy and difficult to control, which is why I was not so keen to use it, so any tips gratefully received. make your mind up time ;) Jim K |
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The garage door is not exposed to the elements, as it is under cover.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text - In that case, plane a piece of wood to fit the gap and secure it with frame sealant. You could use a strip of UPVC in the same way. John |
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On Jan 31, 2:44*pm, lovezoo wrote:
So just squirt the foam in and level it off below the level of the frame and then later use acrylic sealer on top? I have always found expanding foam really messy and difficult to control, which is why I was not so keen to use it, so any tips gratefully received. Way back up the thread, get the installer back to do the job properly. MBQ |
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Way back up the thread, get the installer back to do the job properly.
MBQ You mean the installer who didn't do it properly before? IME a bodger will simply bodge it again and probably make any subsequent work more difficult. John |
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In article 9e3200b6-5b59-46d8-8e82-f3f7739f32f8
@a8g2000pri.googlegroups.com, says... squirty expanding foam? That, followed up with grooving it sufficiently to take a neat bead of silicone. -- Skipweasel - never knowingly understood. |
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In article 7a9bb77a-81c2-4c8c-8d8b-
, says... I have always found expanding foam really messy and difficult to control, which is why I was not so keen to use it, so any tips gratefully received. Put plenty of newspaper down. Flatten the end of the delivery pipe and make sure it reaches well into the slot before you start. Close one side of the gap if open (masking tape) and then fill as deep into the slot as you can. -- Skipweasel - never knowingly understood. |
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On Jan 31, 5:37 pm, Skipweasel wrote:
In article 9e3200b6-5b59-46d8-8e82-f3f7739f32f8 @a8g2000pri.googlegroups.com, says... squirty expanding foam? That, followed up with grooving it sufficiently to take a neat bead of silicone. ?? it's 20mm wide gap, if you were siliconeing you could probly do the whole thing in 3or4 passes (with curing time between).... tape on outside, spray with water from back and apply foam from back - gently does it!!!! watch expansion rate leave to cure tape off front - paint (spray?) same as frame/door whatever hack off excess from rear with knife/brute force as necessary done in an hour shurely? Jim K |
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lovezoo presented the following explanation :
I don't want to use squirty expanding foam, I want a nice smooth cement finish to paint over. 3 parts sand to 1 part cement? Just cement? Surely, with the movement and vibration, it will just fall off? -- Regards, Harry (M1BYT) (L) http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk |
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On 31/01/11 18:00, Jim K wrote:
On Jan 31, 5:37 pm, wrote: In article9e3200b6-5b59-46d8-8e82-f3f7739f32f8 @a8g2000pri.googlegroups.com, says... squirty expanding foam? That, followed up with grooving it sufficiently to take a neat bead of silicone. ?? it's 20mm wide gap, if you were siliconeing you could probly do the whole thing in 3or4 passes (with curing time between).... tape on outside, spray with water from back and apply foam from back - gently does it!!!! watch expansion rate leave to cure tape off front - paint (spray?) same as frame/door whatever hack off excess from rear with knife/brute force as necessary done in an hour shurely? Jim K saw off excess with an old tenon saw. [g] |
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MORE BAD SPELLING FROM THAT TINY ISLAND NATION
Colonel Edmund J. Burke wrote:
"lovezoo" wrote in message ... I have just had a new steel garage door fitted, and it has left a small (gap 1-2cm high) between the top of the door frame and the brickwork of the garage itself. When you say, "I have just had a..... and "it"....? It? Unfortunately for england, schools just aren't what they used to be. It has no referent and is illogical, like much of english history. They certainly are not, since your (lack of) education seems to lead you to believe that a perfectly correct grammatical construction is not. And we all know what age YOU are. LOL And what pray, is that supposed to mean? Apart from being a sign of an age and an IQ of less than thirty? |
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Harry Bloomfield wrote:
lovezoo presented the following explanation : I don't want to use squirty expanding foam, I want a nice smooth cement finish to paint over. 3 parts sand to 1 part cement? Just cement? Surely, with the movement and vibration, it will just fall off? Correct. Only way to bond cement to steel is to cast it round something like a load of screws or nails. |
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MORE BAD SPELLING FROM THAT TINY ISLAND NATION
On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 02:57:32 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Colonel Edmund J. Burke wrote: Dear, oh dear! Why is it some people just cannot stop themselves from feeding the bloody trolls? The KF means I never see the idiot's inane ramblings unless someone responds. Is it so difficult to ignore, or do I need to increase the size of my KF substantially? -- The Wanderer What we want is to see the child in pursuit of knowledge, and not knowledge in pursuit of the child. |
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