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Maximum weight on shelves fixed to plasterboard wall
Assuming that I have appropriate fixings, what is the maximum weight I
should try to hang from a plasterboard wall? I have one of these: http://www.habitat.co.uk/cleo-cd-storage/-//fcp-product/997898 that's going to need to be wall-mounted. 400 CDs make quite a weight, and the thing is heavy enough to begin with. Daniele |
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On Jan 22, 10:01*pm,
(D.M. Procida) wrote: Assuming that I have appropriate fixings, what is the maximum weight I should try to hang from a plasterboard wall? I have one of these: http://www.habitat.co.uk/cleo-cd-storage/-//fcp-product/997898 that's going to need to be wall-mounted. 400 CDs make quite a weight, and the thing is heavy enough to begin with. Daniele About 10kg a mile. Opinions will vary, but hanging 2 overcoats on a coathook with metal toggles repeatedly proved too much. If you can screw through into masonry behind, and bung some filler or plaster in there, things really improve. NT |
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"D.M. Procida" wrote in message ... Assuming that I have appropriate fixings, what is the maximum weight I should try to hang from a plasterboard wall? I have one of these: http://www.habitat.co.uk/cleo-cd-storage/-//fcp-product/997898 that's going to need to be wall-mounted. 400 CDs make quite a weight, and the thing is heavy enough to begin with. Daniele I would not fix anything direct to Plasterboard .... either fix direct to studs, or fix counter batten to studs then what you want to the batten |
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Rick Hughes wrote:
"D.M. Procida" wrote in message ... Assuming that I have appropriate fixings, what is the maximum weight I should try to hang from a plasterboard wall? I have one of these: http://www.habitat.co.uk/cleo-cd-storage/-//fcp-product/997898 that's going to need to be wall-mounted. 400 CDs make quite a weight, and the thing is heavy enough to begin with. Daniele I would not fix anything direct to Plasterboard .... either fix direct to studs, or fix counter batten to studs then what you want to the batten I don't really have that option. My plan was to fix a batten below the shelves, so that the weight of the shelves will be on that. Then the shelves will be fastened to the wall at the top and bottom. | wall |___ | | ----- shelves | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | __| || ----- batten | | | Daniele |
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On 22/01/2011 22:58, D.M. Procida wrote:
Rick wrote: "D.M. wrote in message ... Assuming that I have appropriate fixings, what is the maximum weight I should try to hang from a plasterboard wall? I have one of these: http://www.habitat.co.uk/cleo-cd-storage/-//fcp-product/997898 that's going to need to be wall-mounted. 400 CDs make quite a weight, and the thing is heavy enough to begin with. I would not fix anything direct to Plasterboard .... either fix direct to studs, or fix counter batten to studs then what you want to the batten I don't really have that option. Well you kind of do... just means more work/mess: cut away plasterboard behind where the shelves go, and insert batten to go between two studs, then cover over the hole. It looks like it will be really heavy: no way I'd trust any form of pb fixing alone with that. Other than that - I see that it's 1.57m tall: couldn't it be floor-standing (still screwed to the wall but with the floor taking the actual weight)? Perspex stilts? David |
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Saturday 22 January 2011 22:01: Assuming that I have appropriate fixings, what is the maximum weight I should try to hang from a plasterboard wall? I have one of these: http://www.habitat.co.uk/cleo-cd-storage/-//fcp-product/997898 that's going to need to be wall-mounted. 400 CDs make quite a weight, and the thing is heavy enough to begin with. Daniele So not standing on the floor at all (like the web page suggests)? OK - if you can locate the studs in a studwork wall and screw into them - loads and loads of weight will be fine. If it's PB on dot'n'dab against brick, I would use frame fixings so as to get deep into the brick without pulling hard up agains the PB (which can dent it). If it's dot'n'dab onto celcon blocks (spit) I would use Fischer Frame Fixings - forget the part number, buy they have teeth for most of the length. Drill the holes exactly the right size with an HSS drill so the plug is a perfect fit - if you find you have a very cheesy block (as I did at the last house) a smear of Araldite on the fixing will stop it from turning and grinding out the hole. Some celcon type blocks are so bad though. In either of the last two cases, treat the frame fixing like a rawlplug - it set it in the wall, now through the shelving - then screw through the shelving into it. I have had success with the last method and the first method - the first being very easy - hanging lots of shelves to hold heavy books and computers. HTH Tim -- Tim Watts |
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On 22/01/2011 22:58, D.M. Procida wrote: Rick wrote: "D.M. wrote in message ... Assuming that I have appropriate fixings, what is the maximum weight I should try to hang from a plasterboard wall? I have one of these: http://www.habitat.co.uk/cleo-cd-storage/-//fcp-product/997898 that's going to need to be wall-mounted. 400 CDs make quite a weight, and the thing is heavy enough to begin with. I would not fix anything direct to Plasterboard .... either fix direct to studs, or fix counter batten to studs then what you want to the batten I don't really have that option. Well you kind of do... just means more work/mess: cut away plasterboard behind where the shelves go, and insert batten to go between two studs, then cover over the hole. It looks like it will be really heavy: no way I'd trust any form of pb fixing alone with that. You might be right. Builders seem to treat plasterboard the way I played with Lego, so maybe it's not such a big job. Other than that - I see that it's 1.57m tall: couldn't it be floor-standing (still screwed to the wall but with the floor taking the actual weight)? Perspex stilts? Unfortunately there is a mains socket just where I want to put it - which means it can't even rest on the skirting board with a couple of short legs at the front (as well as being fastened to the wall of course) - it'll have to go above the socket. Daniele |
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D.M. Procida wrote:
I have one of these: http://www.habitat.co.uk/cleo-cd-storage/-//fcp-product/997898 that's going to need to be wall-mounted. 400 CDs make quite a weight, and the thing is heavy enough to begin with. I have three radiators that are hung on plasterboard. I suspect there's not much difference in weight between them and your CDs. The fixings used were these: http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0001P0K9A/ Much depends on the thickness and quality of the plasterboard and how many fixing points there are. |
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On 22/01/2011 22:01, D.M. Procida wrote:
Assuming that I have appropriate fixings, what is the maximum weight I should try to hang from a plasterboard wall? I have one of these: http://www.habitat.co.uk/cleo-cd-storage/-//fcp-product/997898 that's going to need to be wall-mounted. 400 CDs make quite a weight, and the thing is heavy enough to begin with. Daniele Might be an opportunity to try these http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Scre.../sd3165/p34047 -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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On 23/01/2011 09:37, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 22/01/2011 22:01, D.M. Procida wrote: Assuming that I have appropriate fixings, what is the maximum weight I should try to hang from a plasterboard wall? I have one of these: http://www.habitat.co.uk/cleo-cd-storage/-//fcp-product/997898 that's going to need to be wall-mounted. 400 CDs make quite a weight, and the thing is heavy enough to begin with. Might be an opportunity to try these http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Scre.../sd3165/p34047 But aren't those specifically for dot-and-dab walls? I'm guessing the OP's are stud wall construction, although it hasn't been specified. David |
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On Jan 23, 10:10*am, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , (Steve Firth) wrote: D.M. Procida wrote: I have one of these: http://www.habitat.co.uk/cleo-cd-storage/-//fcp-product/997898 that's going to need to be wall-mounted. 400 CDs make quite a weight, and the thing is heavy enough to begin with. I have three radiators that are hung on plasterboard. I suspect there's not much difference in weight between them and your CDs. The fixings used were these: http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0001P0K9A/ Batteries not included, apparently. Hmmmm. Luckily, they're also not required. Perhaps they are mains powered? -- Halmyre |
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:27:32 +0000, Geo wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 00:00:11 +0000, (D.M. Procida) wrote: Unfortunately there is a mains socket just where I want to put it - which means it can't even rest on the skirting board with a couple of short legs at the front (as well as being fastened to the wall of course) - it'll have to go above the socket. The skirting board will project more than the socket - just ignore it. Depends whether it's surface mounted. -- Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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On 23 Jan, 11:21, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:27:32 +0000, Geo wrote: On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 00:00:11 +0000, (D.M. Procida) wrote: Unfortunately there is a mains socket just where I want to put it - which means it can't even rest on the skirting board with a couple of short legs at the front (as well as being fastened to the wall of course) - it'll have to go above the socket. The skirting board will project more than the socket - just ignore it. Depends whether it's surface mounted. -- Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: *http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning protection* - a w_tom conductor Hopefully you are dealing with a double skin plasterboard wall. Single skin plasterboard is not the strongest on this type of application A hollow wall anchor is the ONLY answer if you are concerned about a load. Fischer offer tech details on their site. Use a pull up/ compression tool if you can. Calculate your loadings, erring on the conservative side, and use the Fischer tables to establish the number of fixings required. I would use a french cleat or battens top and bottom. The bottom batten will carry the vertical load and the top batten will prevent the shelving rotating outwards. Alternatively you could use cupboard hangers. The type that use a small plate screwed to the wall and adjustable fittings mounted inside the storage unit. These make the use of hollow wall anchors easier as the metal plate is only about 2mm thick. Also the adjustments available on the fitting mounted inside the cupboard make leveling easy. Those screw in nylon fixings are very poor when it comes to heavy loads. They have little resistance to horizontal pull and are easily overtightened leading to deformation of the thread cut in the plasterboard Don't ask how I know all this,but believe me I speak from bitter experience. Paul Mc cann |
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On 22/01/2011 22:01, D.M. Procida wrote:
Assuming that I have appropriate fixings, what is the maximum weight I should try to hang from a plasterboard wall? I have one of these: http://www.habitat.co.uk/cleo-cd-storage/-//fcp-product/997898 that's going to need to be wall-mounted. 400 CDs make quite a weight, and the thing is heavy enough to begin with. Daniele No problem Use a couple of fixings such as: http://www.scfsupplies.co.uk/Plaster...rs/C37-1-0.htm. As long as the load is basically in shear (which your shelves would be if fixed at top) I fixed a set of shelves with similar fixings to take A4 manuals and could even sit on them! They will fail if there is any bending, such as you would get with a coat hook. Jim |
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On Jan 22, 11:22*pm, Huge wrote:
I spent several years working under a couple of tonnes of manuals on Spur shelving hung off a plasterboard wall. Same here. If you can spread the load (Spur supports do that very effectively) and ensure it's mostly downwards rather than outwards, plasterboard will typically support a huge weight. At your own risk, of course. Richard. http://www.rtrussell.co.uk/ |
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http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0001P0K9A/ Batteries not included, apparently. Hmmmm. Stores run by people slightly less insane than those at Amazon are available. |
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Lobster wrote:
On 23/01/2011 09:37, The Medway Handyman wrote: On 22/01/2011 22:01, D.M. Procida wrote: Assuming that I have appropriate fixings, what is the maximum weight I should try to hang from a plasterboard wall? I have one of these: http://www.habitat.co.uk/cleo-cd-storage/-//fcp-product/997898 that's going to need to be wall-mounted. 400 CDs make quite a weight, and the thing is heavy enough to begin with. Might be an opportunity to try these http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Scre...line+Pro+Plast erboard+Fixing+75+x+80mm/d90/sd3165/p34047 But aren't those specifically for dot-and-dab walls? I'm guessing the OP's are stud wall construction, although it hasn't been specified. It's odd. I made littlw holes with a drill to test. There's plasterboard, then behind it there is a gap, and only at about 40mm is there anything (which seems to be brick and mortar). Daniele |
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Sunday 23 January 2011 20:12: Lobster wrote: On 23/01/2011 09:37, The Medway Handyman wrote: On 22/01/2011 22:01, D.M. Procida wrote: Assuming that I have appropriate fixings, what is the maximum weight I should try to hang from a plasterboard wall? I have one of these: http://www.habitat.co.uk/cleo-cd-storage/-//fcp-product/997898 that's going to need to be wall-mounted. 400 CDs make quite a weight, and the thing is heavy enough to begin with. Might be an opportunity to try these http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Scre...line+Pro+Plast erboard+Fixing+75+x+80mm/d90/sd3165/p34047 But aren't those specifically for dot-and-dab walls? I'm guessing the OP's are stud wall construction, although it hasn't been specified. It's odd. I made littlw holes with a drill to test. There's plasterboard, then behind it there is a gap, and only at about 40mm is there anything (which seems to be brick and mortar). Daniele There's a solution to that if you need to pull something tight to the wall. Mark the fixing holes and drill them through the PB only. Using a throwaway PU foam can, fill the void with foam behind each hole in all directions. When set, drill again, into brick, rawlplug the brick and fix. The foam over about a 5+cm radius will provide a lot of support to the PB. -- Tim Watts |
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Tim Watts wrote:
It's odd. I made littlw holes with a drill to test. There's plasterboard, then behind it there is a gap, and only at about 40mm is there anything (which seems to be brick and mortar). Daniele There's a solution to that if you need to pull something tight to the wall. Mark the fixing holes and drill them through the PB only. Using a throwaway PU foam can, fill the void with foam behind each hole in all directions. When set, drill again, into brick, rawlplug the brick and fix. The foam over about a 5+cm radius will provide a lot of support to the PB. Very clever. I've found a way to move things around - I can have the bottom of the shelf resting on the skirtingboard, so that will make the fastenings all a bit less critical. The fastenings' main (and easier) job will be to keep the shelves tight to the wall, and not hold up all their weight too. I think I will try to avoid having to go into the brick, and I'll use the kind of bolt that expands outwards behind the plasterboard as it is tightened. Here in South Wales houses of this age all use a filthy kind of black mortar, which I inevitable drill into, if I don't just hit the edge of a brick to make the hole go sideways. Daniele |
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fred wrote:
On 23 Jan, 11:21, Bob Eager wrote: On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:27:32 +0000, Geo wrote: On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 00:00:11 +0000, (D.M. Procida) wrote: Unfortunately there is a mains socket just where I want to put it - which means it can't even rest on the skirting board with a couple of short legs at the front (as well as being fastened to the wall of course) - it'll have to go above the socket. The skirting board will project more than the socket - just ignore it. Depends whether it's surface mounted. -- Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning protection* - a w_tom conductor Hopefully you are dealing with a double skin plasterboard wall. Single skin plasterboard is not the strongest on this type of application A hollow wall anchor is the ONLY answer if you are concerned about a load. No, it isn't. Glue is best. |
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Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:27:32 +0000, Geo wrote: The skirting board will project more than the socket - just ignore it. Depends whether it's surface mounted. In which case, it might be easier to move the socket... Theo |
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