which adhesive?
 

I own a remote controlled boat, it's for angling purposes (a baitboat).
It's a sealed unit and the battery is inside with no access apart from
splitting the boat in two and getting to it that way - the boat is sealed
with black silicone.
When I bought the thing, the battery was dead and I enquired with the
manufacturer as to having it replaced - they wanted £90, but explained that
'the battery was not removable and had to be physically broken up' to
replace, so I thought 'fook that' and had a bash myself, this was last year
and the battery was indeed well glued in place and after much arsing around
with stanley blades and umpteen solvents, it eventually came free and was
replaced with a shiny new one at the pricely sum of £12.25p.
I used araldite two pack adhesive to mould it into the bottom of the boat,
which is made of a type of resin, anyhoo the fecker came loose last week in
France and was flopping about inside the boat, making it difficult to
manouvre, given that it weighs 3kg and it was either on one side or the
other and the thing was almost capsized on more than one occasion...the boat
is worth around £400, so obviously I'd rather not see it disappear neath the
waves, and I have just opened it up and the battery is indeed lying on it's
side.

The lifetime of this type of battery is estimated at 2-3 years, and it's a
year old now, so obviously it's gonna need changing at some point in the
future, so I'm looking for something that will hold it in place (bearing in
mind that the boat is carried by the hull, IE, the arse end) so i don't want
it to move, but WRT another replacement, I don't want it 'welded' in place
neither.
Obviously drilling, bolting, screwing et are all out, so what do i use?

This is the boat:

http://www.anglingtechnics.co.uk/baitBoat.php


This is the battery:

http://www.discountfiresupplies.co.u...d-Acid-Battery

--
Phil L
RSRL Tipster Of The Year 2008

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On Sep 21, 11:09*pm, "Phil L" wrote:
I own a remote controlled boat, it's for angling purposes (a baitboat).
It's a sealed unit and the battery is inside with no access apart from
splitting the boat in two and getting to it that way - the boat is sealed
with black silicone.
When I bought the thing, the battery was dead and I enquired with the
manufacturer as to having it replaced - they wanted £90, but explained that
'the battery was not removable and had to be physically broken up' to
replace, so I thought 'fook that' and had a bash myself, this was last year
and the battery was indeed well glued in place and after much arsing around
with stanley blades and umpteen solvents, it eventually came free and was
replaced with a shiny new one at the pricely sum of £12.25p.
I used araldite two pack adhesive to mould it into the bottom of the boat,
which is made of a type of resin, anyhoo the fecker came loose last week in
France and was flopping about inside the boat, making it difficult to
manouvre, given that it weighs 3kg and it was either on one side or the
other and the thing was almost capsized on more than one occasion...the boat
is worth around £400, so obviously I'd rather not see it disappear neath the
waves, and I have just opened it up and the battery is indeed lying on it's
side.

The lifetime of this type of battery is estimated at 2-3 years, and it's a
year old now, so obviously it's gonna need changing at some point in the
future, so I'm looking for something that will hold it in place (bearing in
mind that the boat is carried by the hull, IE, the arse end) so i don't want
it to move, but WRT another replacement, I don't want it 'welded' in place
neither.
Obviously drilling, bolting, screwing et are all out, so what do i use?

This is the boat:

http://www.anglingtechnics.co.uk/baitBoat.php

This is the battery:

http://www.discountfiresupplies.co.u....2Ah-12V-DC-Se...

bubble wrap packing


NT

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Tabby wrote:


bubble wrap packing


there are moving parts inside the boat which this would get in the way of if
i was to pack it around the battery

--
Phil L
RSRL Tipster Of The Year 2008

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"Phil L" wrote in message
...
I own a remote controlled boat, it's for angling purposes (a baitboat).
It's a sealed unit and the battery is inside with no access apart from
splitting the boat in two and getting to it that way - the boat is sealed
with black silicone.
When I bought the thing, the battery was dead and I enquired with the
manufacturer as to having it replaced - they wanted £90, but explained
that 'the battery was not removable and had to be physically broken up' to
replace, so I thought 'fook that' and had a bash myself, this was last
year and the battery was indeed well glued in place and after much arsing
around with stanley blades and umpteen solvents, it eventually came free
and was replaced with a shiny new one at the pricely sum of £12.25p.
I used araldite two pack adhesive to mould it into the bottom of the boat,
which is made of a type of resin, anyhoo the fecker came loose last week
in France and was flopping about inside the boat, making it difficult to
manouvre, given that it weighs 3kg and it was either on one side or the
other and the thing was almost capsized on more than one occasion...the
boat is worth around £400, so obviously I'd rather not see it disappear
neath the waves, and I have just opened it up and the battery is indeed
lying on it's side.

The lifetime of this type of battery is estimated at 2-3 years, and it's a
year old now, so obviously it's gonna need changing at some point in the
future, so I'm looking for something that will hold it in place (bearing
in mind that the boat is carried by the hull, IE, the arse end) so i don't
want it to move, but WRT another replacement, I don't want it 'welded' in
place neither.
Obviously drilling, bolting, screwing et are all out, so what do i use?

This is the boat:

http://www.anglingtechnics.co.uk/baitBoat.php


This is the battery:

http://www.discountfiresupplies.co.u...d-Acid-Battery

--
Phil L
RSRL Tipster Of The Year 2008
Did the araldite come off of the boat or the battery?

If the battery then you could fit a frame of different material to the boat
to hold the battery in place

If the boat then would the same black silicone used to join the boat hold
the battery?

Regards

which adhesive?
 

TMC wrote:

Did the araldite come off of the boat or the battery?

It's still stuck to the boat - the battery hasn't got a trace on it.


If the battery then you could fit a frame of different material to
the boat to hold the battery in place

If the boat then would the same black silicone used to join the boat
hold the battery?

Regards

A frame? made from what? - I'm thinking maybe a strap of some kind, maybe
velcro type stuff, or a layer of velcro stuck to the boat and the
corresponding piece stuck to the battery - it's just that the battery
doesn't appear to want to have anything stuck to it for some reason, might
have to get the wire brush out....

--
Phil L
RSRL Tipster Of The Year 2008

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On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 23:34:12 +0100, Phil L wrote:
TMC wrote:

Did the araldite come off of the boat or the battery?

It's still stuck to the boat - the battery hasn't got a trace on it.


If the battery then you could fit a frame of different material to
the boat to hold the battery in place

If the boat then would the same black silicone used to join the boat
hold the battery?

Regards

A frame? made from what? - I'm thinking maybe a strap of some kind, maybe
velcro type stuff, or a layer of velcro stuck to the boat and the
corresponding piece stuck to the battery - it's just that the battery
doesn't appear to want to have anything stuck to it for some reason, might
have to get the wire brush out....

Back to the adhesive question. If the hull material will adhere to
it, I'd suggest giving Gorilla Glue a try (or another brand of
polyurethane adhesive). Don't use this to glue the battery directly
as it's incredibly difficult to remove, if it does stick. But use
it to attach a retaining strap or three.
It does foam up while curing, so don't glue things too close to
parts that should be removable.



--
http://www.thisreallyismyhost.99k.or...2254321288.php

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Phil L wrote:

I own a remote controlled boat, it's for angling purposes (a baitboat).
It's a sealed unit and the battery is inside with no access apart from
splitting the boat in two and getting to it that way - the boat is sealed
with black silicone.
When I bought the thing, the battery was dead and I enquired with the
manufacturer as to having it replaced - they wanted £90, but explained
that 'the battery was not removable and had to be physically broken up' to
replace, so I thought 'fook that' and had a bash myself, this was last
year and the battery was indeed well glued in place and after much arsing
around with stanley blades and umpteen solvents, it eventually came free

The Lidl Battery power pack has a even larger and heaver sealed battery
inside,*it's held in place with Hot Glue Gun adhesive,
What did the original*glue that held the battery in place look like.***
\0

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Mark wrote:
Phil L wrote:

I own a remote controlled boat, it's for angling purposes (a baitboat).
It's a sealed unit and the battery is inside with no access apart from
splitting the boat in two and getting to it that way - the boat is sealed
with black silicone.
When I bought the thing, the battery was dead and I enquired with the
manufacturer as to having it replaced - they wanted £90, but explained
that 'the battery was not removable and had to be physically broken up' to
replace, so I thought 'fook that' and had a bash myself, this was last
year and the battery was indeed well glued in place and after much arsing
around with stanley blades and umpteen solvents, it eventually came free

The Lidl Battery power pack has a even larger and heaver sealed battery
inside, it's held in place with Hot Glue Gun adhesive,
What did the original glue that held the battery in place look like.


I'll second hot glue. We use it all the time on plastic model aircraft.
The great thing about it is you CAN get stuff out again, either by
pulling, or a hot knife out of a blowtorch flame.

Its my third choice after car body filler, and an angle grinder, as the
most useful thing to have handy..:-)

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In article ,
Phil L wrote:
The lifetime of this type of battery is estimated at 2-3 years, and it's
a year old now, so obviously it's gonna need changing at some point in
the future, so I'm looking for something that will hold it in place
(bearing in mind that the boat is carried by the hull, IE, the arse
end) so i don't want it to move, but WRT another replacement, I don't
want it 'welded' in place neither. Obviously drilling, bolting,
screwing et are all out, so what do i use?

I've found Evostick Serious glue sticks most things. Not so hard you can't
remove them but well enough. Is particularly good for many soft plastics
etc many others won't adhere to. Sticking battery cells direct to plastic
would certainly be something I'd use it for. Lidl do a similar stuff too.
Only snag is it takes about 24 hours to get to full strength.

--
*When the going gets tough, use duct tape

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
Mark wrote:
Phil L wrote:

I own a remote controlled boat, it's for angling purposes (a
baitboat).
It's a sealed unit and the battery is inside with no access apart from
splitting the boat in two and getting to it that way - the boat is sealed
with black silicone.
When I bought the thing, the battery was dead and I enquired with the
manufacturer as to having it replaced - they wanted £90, but explained
that 'the battery was not removable and had to be physically broken up' to
replace, so I thought 'fook that' and had a bash myself, this was last
year and the battery was indeed well glued in place and after much arsing
around with stanley blades and umpteen solvents, it eventually came free
The Lidl Battery power pack has a even larger and heaver sealed
battery inside, it's held in place with Hot Glue Gun adhesive, What
did the original glue that held the battery in place look like.
I'll second hot glue. We use it all the time on plastic model aircraft.
The great thing about it is you CAN get stuff out again, either by
pulling, or a hot knife out of a blowtorch flame.


I was also going to suggest hot melt glue. Or adhesive velrco to make
some straps to hold it in place.

Its my third choice after car body filler, and an angle grinder, as the
most useful thing to have handy..:-)


Yup, once I've got the gun hot I'm always looking for things to glue
with it :-)
--
Chris French

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On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 23:09:47 +0100, Phil L wrote:

I have just opened it up and the battery is indeed lying on it's side.

Does it have to mounted such that it is in one of it's less stable
positions? Will it fit with the largest side down instead of one of
the smaller ones.

Fixing, few small squirts of expanding foam? Possibly not one of the
DIY gap fillers they tend to expand rather a lot and have large
voids. You could even make containment system for the foam, wrap the
battery in veg oiled cling film and produce a custom sized moulded
hole for it.

--
Cheers
Dave.

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"Phil L" wrote in message
...
I own a remote controlled boat, it's for angling purposes (a baitboat).
It's a sealed unit and the battery is inside with no access apart from
splitting the boat in two and getting to it that way - the boat is sealed
with black silicone.
When I bought the thing, the battery was dead and I enquired with the
manufacturer as to having it replaced - they wanted £90, but explained
that 'the battery was not removable and had to be physically broken up' to
replace, so I thought 'fook that' and had a bash myself, this was last
year and the battery was indeed well glued in place and after much arsing
around with stanley blades and umpteen solvents, it eventually came free
and was replaced with a shiny new one at the pricely sum of £12.25p.
I used araldite two pack adhesive to mould it into the bottom of the boat,
which is made of a type of resin, anyhoo the fecker came loose last week
in France and was flopping about inside the boat, making it difficult to
manouvre, given that it weighs 3kg and it was either on one side or the
other and the thing was almost capsized on more than one occasion...the
boat is worth around £400, so obviously I'd rather not see it disappear
neath the waves, and I have just opened it up and the battery is indeed
lying on it's side.

The lifetime of this type of battery is estimated at 2-3 years, and it's a
year old now, so obviously it's gonna need changing at some point in the
future, so I'm looking for something that will hold it in place (bearing
in mind that the boat is carried by the hull, IE, the arse end) so i don't
want it to move, but WRT another replacement, I don't want it 'welded' in
place neither.
Obviously drilling, bolting, screwing et are all out, so what do i use?

snip

If the boat is resin will fibreglass bond to it?
You could construct a battery tray from two part resin and matting 'in situ'
around a dummy battery covered in cling film and incorporate a couple of
metal (stainless?) loops in the tray.
This should then allow you to strap the battery firmly in place.
I don't know how much space you have in the compartment, but layered matting
could provide a large surface area to bond to the hull.

HTH

Dave R
--
No plan survives contact with the enemy.
[Not even bunny]

Helmuth von Moltke the Elder

(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")

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"Phil L" wrote in message
...

[...]
Obviously drilling, bolting, screwing et are all out, so what do i use?

From the sound of it you may want to use epoxy to fit a piece of timber or
ply inside the hull to which you can drill, bolt or screw.

Tim w

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"Phil L" wrote in message
...
TMC wrote:

Did the araldite come off of the boat or the battery?

It's still stuck to the boat - the battery hasn't got a trace on it.


If the battery then you could fit a frame of different material to
the boat to hold the battery in place

If the boat then would the same black silicone used to join the boat
hold the battery?

Regards

A frame? made from what? - I'm thinking maybe a strap of some kind, maybe
velcro type stuff, or a layer of velcro stuck to the boat and the
corresponding piece stuck to the battery - it's just that the battery
doesn't appear to want to have anything stuck to it for some reason, might
have to get the wire brush out....

--
Phil L
RSRL Tipster Of The Year 2008


2" plastic angle? bits cut from a length of square plastic downpipe?

I have used both in various pet cage, garden, model and caravan applications
using both silicone and black hot melt glue for fixing/joining as well as
small pop rivets with a washer on the 'blind' side to stop pull through. You
may even find a bit of upvc window section of the right width at the local
recycling site

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Phil L wrote:

TMC wrote:

Did the araldite come off of the boat or the battery?

It's still stuck to the boat - the battery hasn't got a trace on it.

Could you fabricate some form of strap which you could Araldite to the boat
and use to hold the battery down?

--
Mike Clarke

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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Phil L"
saying something like:

This is the battery:

http://www.discountfiresupplies.co.u...d-Acid-Battery

90quid for that? The utter *******s.

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Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Phil L"
saying something like:

This is the battery:

http://www.discountfiresupplies.co.u...d-Acid-Battery

90quid for that? The utter *******s.

If they have to take the boat apart to refit it, I would not be surprised.

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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Phil L"
saying something like:

This is the battery:

http://www.discountfiresupplies.co.u...d-Acid-Battery

90quid for that? The utter *******s.

If they have to take the boat apart to refit it, I would not be
surprised.

they wanted £50 to replace the battery, and a staggering £20 each way P&P.

The taking apart of the boat is relatively easy, 2 minutes with a sharp
knife sees it come cleanly in two peices

--
Phil L
RSRL Tipster Of The Year 2008

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Phil L wrote:

Thanks everyone for ideas

I've decided I'm going to try hot glue, but there's another thing I forgot
to add in my earlier post, there's a small hole in the bow of the boat, just
above the waterline - it's there by design and someone said it's probably a
breather hole for when the battery is charging, but considering the battery
is completely sealed, my guess is that it's a drain hole for when small
amounts of water get inside, and indeed it does - mostly through this effin
hole, so my next question is will hot glue retain it's strength when
immersed in water?

The water can't do any damage inside the boat as the pumps and other
electric shenanigans are raised up about 90mm from the floor, but obvioulsy
the battery is sitting directly on the floor.

Even if I don't glue the battery directly down, but decide to go the route
of fitting a plastic 90 deg angle to each side of it with a strap, these
will need to be glued down, and if I do go down this road, I'm not too
bothered whether the glue sets like cast iron as the battery will be easily
replacabubble.

I saw some gorrilla glue yesterday, it was a fiver, is this about right?

--
Phil L
RSRL Tipster Of The Year 2008

which adhesive?
 

On 21/09/2010 23:09, Phil L wrote:
I own a remote controlled boat, it's for angling purposes (a baitboat).
It's a sealed unit and the battery is inside with no access apart from
splitting the boat in two and getting to it that way - the boat is sealed
with black silicone.
When I bought the thing, the battery was dead and I enquired with the
manufacturer as to having it replaced - they wanted £90, but explained that
'the battery was not removable and had to be physically broken up' to
replace, so I thought 'fook that' and had a bash myself, this was last year
and the battery was indeed well glued in place and after much arsing around
with stanley blades and umpteen solvents, it eventually came free and was
replaced with a shiny new one at the pricely sum of £12.25p.
I used araldite two pack adhesive to mould it into the bottom of the boat,
which is made of a type of resin, anyhoo the fecker came loose last week in
France and was flopping about inside the boat, making it difficult to
manouvre, given that it weighs 3kg and it was either on one side or the
other and the thing was almost capsized on more than one occasion...the boat
is worth around £400, so obviously I'd rather not see it disappear neath the
waves, and I have just opened it up and the battery is indeed lying on it's
side.

The lifetime of this type of battery is estimated at 2-3 years, and it's a
year old now, so obviously it's gonna need changing at some point in the
future, so I'm looking for something that will hold it in place (bearing in
mind that the boat is carried by the hull, IE, the arse end) so i don't want
it to move, but WRT another replacement, I don't want it 'welded' in place
neither.
Obviously drilling, bolting, screwing et are all out, so what do i use?

This is the boat:

http://www.anglingtechnics.co.uk/baitBoat.php


This is the battery:

http://www.discountfiresupplies.co.u...d-Acid-Battery


Without a shadow of doubt the glue to use is Sikaflex caravan adhesive.
It remains flexible when dry and sticks like sh*t to a blanket. You
won't get it off so you'll have to fabricate a bracket and stick that on
with the glue.