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OK I've decided to use billiard balls for my Newton's cradle.
But I would rather not drill into the balls or try to glue things on them. How can I hold the balls in position? This very large version has some rings, which is what I am considering: http://i48.tinypic.com/1euurq.jpg But people are likely to pull the balls out if they can, and I would rather have a couple of large rings, one on each side, centered on the point of impact. I'll have to tie them together somehow. Cable ties? I'll probably use heavy monofilament nylon to hold the balls in line. Unless someone thinks of something better. I have to make this in the next few days! |
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On Jul 3, 2:19*am, Matty F wrote:
OK I've decided to use billiard balls for my Newton's cradle. But I would rather not drill into the balls or try to glue things on them. How can I hold the balls in position? This very large version has some rings, which is what I am considering:http://i48.tinypic.com/1euurq.jpg But people are likely to pull the balls out if they can, and I would rather have a couple of large rings, one on each side, centered on the point of impact. I'll have to tie them together somehow. Cable ties? I'll probably use heavy monofilament nylon to hold the balls in line. Unless someone thinks of something better. I have to make this in the next few days! You are far too fat headed for a successful operation. Not even brain surgery will help you. Have you considered mummification? |
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On Jul 3, 4:45 pm, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Jul 3, 2:19 am, Matty F wrote: OK I've decided to use billiard balls for my Newton's cradle. But I would rather not drill into the balls or try to glue things on them. How can I hold the balls in position? This very large version has some rings, which is what I am considering:http://i48.tinypic.com/1euurq.jpg But people are likely to pull the balls out if they can, and I would rather have a couple of large rings, one on each side, centered on the point of impact. I'll have to tie them together somehow. Cable ties? I'll probably use heavy monofilament nylon to hold the balls in line. Unless someone thinks of something better. I have to make this in the next few days! You are far too fat headed for a successful operation. Not even brain surgery will help you. Have you considered mummification? Having a bad day are you? I've managed to make many things so far. Often people in here have ideas that I had not thought of. The Newton's cradle is for a science show that thousands of people will be looking at. |
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wibbled on Saturday 03 July 2010 05:45 On Jul 3, 2:19 am, Matty F wrote: OK I've decided to use billiard balls for my Newton's cradle. But I would rather not drill into the balls or try to glue things on them. How can I hold the balls in position? This very large version has some rings, which is what I am considering:http://i48.tinypic.com/1euurq.jpg But people are likely to pull the balls out if they can, and I would rather have a couple of large rings, one on each side, centered on the point of impact. I'll have to tie them together somehow. Cable ties? I'll probably use heavy monofilament nylon to hold the balls in line. Unless someone thinks of something better. I have to make this in the next few days! You are far too fat headed for a successful operation. Not even brain surgery will help you. Have you considered mummification? Are you austistic or just hard of thinking? -- Tim Watts Managers, politicians and environmentalists: Nature's carbon buffer. |
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On 03/07/2010 02:19, Matty F wrote:
OK I've decided to use billiard balls for my Newton's cradle. But I would rather not drill into the balls or try to glue things on them. How can I hold the balls in position? This very large version has some rings, which is what I am considering: http://i48.tinypic.com/1euurq.jpg But people are likely to pull the balls out if they can, and I would rather have a couple of large rings, one on each side, centered on the point of impact. I'll have to tie them together somehow. Cable ties? I'll probably use heavy monofilament nylon to hold the balls in line. Unless someone thinks of something better. I have to make this in the next few days! How about making a net of six rings (top, bottoms and four sides)? The rings could be made out of fishing line and joined together by the same? |
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On Jul 3, 7:27 pm, Peter Watson wrote:
How about making a net of six rings (top, bottoms and four sides)? The rings could be made out of fishing line and joined together by the same? Yes, they would end up being roughly squares. On the other hand I'm coming around to the idea of using epoxy glue to glue an attachment to the top of the balls so the fishing line can be attached. Most cradles have a gap betwen the attachments but why can't both lines be at the very top? |
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Matty F :
OK I've decided to use billiard balls for my Newton's cradle. But I would rather not drill into the balls or try to glue things on them. How can I hold the balls in position? This very large version has some rings, which is what I am considering: http://i48.tinypic.com/1euurq.jpg But people are likely to pull the balls out if they can, and I would rather have a couple of large rings, one on each side, centered on the point of impact. I'll have to tie them together somehow. Cable ties? I'll probably use heavy monofilament nylon to hold the balls in line. Unless someone thinks of something better. I have to make this in the next few days! Jubilee clips. -- Mike Barnes |
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On 2010-07-03, Matty F wrote:
On the other hand I'm coming around to the idea of using epoxy glue to glue an attachment to the top of the balls so the fishing line can be attached. Most cradles have a gap betwen the attachments but why can't both lines be at the very top? Ideally you want the balls only to swing about the axis through the top of the cradle. If you mount them at the very top, they can wobble about that point and twist around it, so it's better to support them from two points lower down. You could machine rings with a groove around the inside of each and cut them through (making an almost-closed C shape) so that it will spring open far enough for the ball to pop in. -- Jón Fairbairn http://www.chaos.org.uk/~jf/Stuff-I-dont-want.html (updated 2009-01-31) |
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.... Most cradles have a gap betwen the attachments but why can't
both lines be at the very top? Doesn't the gap serve to stop the balls rotating about the vertical axis? There's no way my addled brain can model such things these days but I think such spin would be a "bad thing" - unless you are also trying to demonstrate snooker shots -- Robin PM may be sent to rbw0{at}hotmail{dot}com |
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On Jul 3, 8:57 pm, "Robin" wrote:
.... Most cradles have a gap betwen the attachments but why can't both lines be at the very top? Doesn't the gap serve to stop the balls rotating about the vertical axis? There's no way my addled brain can model such things these days but I think such spin would be a "bad thing" - unless you are also trying to demonstrate snooker shots Yes spin would be a bad thing. So I need a gap. |
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On Jul 3, 8:39 pm, Mike Barnes wrote:
Matty F : OK I've decided to use billiard balls for my Newton's cradle. But I would rather not drill into the balls or try to glue things on them. How can I hold the balls in position? This very large version has some rings, which is what I am considering: http://i48.tinypic.com/1euurq.jpg But people are likely to pull the balls out if they can, and I would rather have a couple of large rings, one on each side, centered on the point of impact. I'll have to tie them together somehow. Cable ties? I'll probably use heavy monofilament nylon to hold the balls in line. Unless someone thinks of something better. I have to make this in the next few days! Jubilee clips. At first I laughed. But they would be a good idea if they looked OK. Perhaps I can make some elegant brass clips. |
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"Matty F" wrote in message ... OK I've decided to use billiard balls for my Newton's cradle. But I would rather not drill into the balls or try to glue things on them. How can I hold the balls in position? This very large version has some rings, which is what I am considering: http://i48.tinypic.com/1euurq.jpg But people are likely to pull the balls out if they can, and I would rather have a couple of large rings, one on each side, centered on the point of impact. I'll have to tie them together somehow. Cable ties? I'll probably use heavy monofilament nylon to hold the balls in line. Unless someone thinks of something better. I have to make this in the next few days! A couple of large rings as you say, then just wire them together and twist the wires. Four wires spaced around the rings should be OK. The supporting nylon can be attached to the top two wires and I am sure you can twist a loop in the wires to attach them. Why not get your angle grinder out and just mill a couple of notches in the top, drill the bit that now sticks up and attach to that? |
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"Matty F" wrote in message ... On Jul 3, 7:27 pm, Peter Watson wrote: How about making a net of six rings (top, bottoms and four sides)? The rings could be made out of fishing line and joined together by the same? Yes, they would end up being roughly squares. On the other hand I'm coming around to the idea of using epoxy glue to glue an attachment to the top of the balls so the fishing line can be attached. Most cradles have a gap betwen the attachments but why can't both lines be at the very top? The gap makes them swing straight, if you just have one the balls will just bounce to one side and not impart all their energy to the next ball. |
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"Matty F" wrote in message ... OK I've decided to use billiard balls for my Newton's cradle. But I would rather not drill into the balls or try to glue things on them. How can I hold the balls in position? This very large version has some rings, which is what I am considering: http://i48.tinypic.com/1euurq.jpg One approach could be to grind a flat on the top of each ball. Manufacture a plane disk whose diameter matches the flat. A metal disk would enable you to solder or braze or machine two pickup points at the edges of the disk, diametrically opposite one another. DDS |
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On Jul 3, 10:08 pm, "dennis@home"
wrote: "Matty F" wrote in message ... OK I've decided to use billiard balls for my Newton's cradle. But I would rather not drill into the balls or try to glue things on them. How can I hold the balls in position? This very large version has some rings, which is what I am considering: http://i48.tinypic.com/1euurq.jpg But people are likely to pull the balls out if they can, and I would rather have a couple of large rings, one on each side, centered on the point of impact. I'll have to tie them together somehow. Cable ties? I'll probably use heavy monofilament nylon to hold the balls in line. Unless someone thinks of something better. I have to make this in the next few days! A couple of large rings as you say, then just wire them together and twist the wires. Four wires spaced around the rings should be OK. The supporting nylon can be attached to the top two wires and I am sure you can twist a loop in the wires to attach them. I can probably make the rings out of wire. Why not get your angle grinder out and just mill a couple of notches in the top, drill the bit that now sticks up and attach to that? If the cradle doesn't work that well or management decides that they are a danger to small kids, I'd like to sell the balls as billiard balls again! |
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dennis@home wrote:
The gap makes them swing straight, if you just have one the balls will just bounce to one side and not impart all their energy to the next ball. The motion wants to be: (a) In-plane, and (b) Irrotational. Even with separated attachment points, flexible lines will permit a degree of out-of-plane movement, which tends to grow. Probably the most satisfactory compromise between in-plane constraint and low wind resistance would be a solid strip (or two, to obviate out-of-plane deflection) of a rigid material, aspect ratio say 5:1, with the long dimension in the plane of motion. If this was rigidly attached to the ball, and hinged at the top, the various requirements would be met quite well. A bearing or two (one each side of the strip) would be better than a hinge, but might be overkill. |
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Duncan Di Saudelli wrote:
One approach could be to grind a flat on the top of each ball. Manufacture a plane disk whose diameter matches the flat. A metal disk would enable you to solder or braze or machine two pickup points at the edges of the disk, diametrically opposite one another. The suspender could be made from a strip of alloy, bent twice to make a thin square U shape. The bottom of the U could be glued to the flat on the ball. At the other end, a ball bearing glued to each outer face of the strip, or if that's too complicated, a simple low-friction hinge. Alignment of the hinge axis perpendicular to the plane of motion could be a trick. |
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John Rumm wrote:
On 03/07/2010 08:46, Matty F wrote: On Jul 3, 7:27 pm, Peter wrote: How about making a net of six rings (top, bottoms and four sides)? The rings could be made out of fishing line and joined together by the same? Yes, they would end up being roughly squares. On the other hand I'm coming around to the idea of using epoxy glue to glue an attachment to the top of the balls so the fishing line can be attached. Most cradles have a gap betwen the attachments but why can't both lines be at the very top? The spacing prevents the balls twisting... I would have thought a couple of rings - a bit less than the ball diameter, which were then lashed or tied together with the ball sandwiched between them. With fishing line, and the sort of separation envisaged, the spacing will reduce but not prevent twisting, IMO. |
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Matty F wrote:
OK I've decided to use billiard balls for my Newton's cradle. But I would rather not drill into the balls or try to glue things on them. How can I hold the balls in position? This very large version has some rings, which is what I am considering: http://i48.tinypic.com/1euurq.jpg But people are likely to pull the balls out if they can, and I would rather have a couple of large rings, one on each side, centered on the point of impact. I'll have to tie them together somehow. Cable ties? I'll probably use heavy monofilament nylon to hold the balls in line. Unless someone thinks of something better. I have to make this in the next few days! Forget the billiard balls and go looking for the largest ball bearing available. They might come from some very heavy machinery, not necessarily with wheels! Steel is much more elastic than billiard ball material. I mean elastic in the physical sense not like rubber. R |
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, Matty F writes OK I've decided to use billiard balls for my Newton's cradle. But I would rather not drill into the balls or try to glue things on them. How can I hold the balls in position? Large scrotal sack Funnily enough, Roencrantz and Guildernstern are Dead is on t'telly ATM - there was a newton's cradle a few minutes ago on't screen using terracotta pots. Needless to say - one broke Just thought I'd share this gem with you drill the fukkers - else you know full and well, it'll all fall apart -- geoff |
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, Matty F writes On Jul 3, 4:45 pm, Weatherlawyer wrote: On Jul 3, 2:19 am, Matty F wrote: OK I've decided to use billiard balls for my Newton's cradle. But I would rather not drill into the balls or try to glue things on them. How can I hold the balls in position? This very large version has some rings, which is what I am considering:http://i48.tinypic.com/1euurq.jpg But people are likely to pull the balls out if they can, and I would rather have a couple of large rings, one on each side, centered on the point of impact. I'll have to tie them together somehow. Cable ties? I'll probably use heavy monofilament nylon to hold the balls in line. Unless someone thinks of something better. I have to make this in the next few days! You are far too fat headed for a successful operation. Not even brain surgery will help you. Have you considered mummification? Having a bad day are you? I've managed to make many things so far. Often people in here have ideas that I had not thought of. The Newton's cradle is for a science show that thousands of people will be looking at. Drilled then don't forget the advertising -- geoff |
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In message , Mike Barnes
writes Matty F : OK I've decided to use billiard balls for my Newton's cradle. But I would rather not drill into the balls or try to glue things on them. How can I hold the balls in position? This very large version has some rings, which is what I am considering: http://i48.tinypic.com/1euurq.jpg But people are likely to pull the balls out if they can, and I would rather have a couple of large rings, one on each side, centered on the point of impact. I'll have to tie them together somehow. Cable ties? I'll probably use heavy monofilament nylon to hold the balls in line. Unless someone thinks of something better. I have to make this in the next few days! Jubilee clips. Demonstration to be seen by half the population of the southern hemisphere (except the sheep) and you want him to use jubilee clips and chewing gum? Doomed, doomed, I say -- geoff |
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, Matty F writes On Jul 3, 8:39 pm, Mike Barnes wrote: Matty F : OK I've decided to use billiard balls for my Newton's cradle. But I would rather not drill into the balls or try to glue things on them. How can I hold the balls in position? This very large version has some rings, which is what I am considering: http://i48.tinypic.com/1euurq.jpg But people are likely to pull the balls out if they can, and I would rather have a couple of large rings, one on each side, centered on the point of impact. I'll have to tie them together somehow. Cable ties? I'll probably use heavy monofilament nylon to hold the balls in line. Unless someone thinks of something better. I have to make this in the next few days! Jubilee clips. At first I laughed. But they would be a good idea if they looked OK. Perhaps I can make some elegant brass clips. Like this ? http://www.uh.edu/~rfc/eng.htm -- geoff |
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In message , Matty F writes OK I've decided to use billiard balls for my Newton's cradle. But I would rather not drill into the balls or try to glue things on them. How can I hold the balls in position? Large scrotal sack Sack? I use a wheelbarrow. |
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writes geoff wrote: In message , Matty F writes OK I've decided to use billiard balls for my Newton's cradle. But I would rather not drill into the balls or try to glue things on them. How can I hold the balls in position? Large scrotal sack Sack? I use a wheelbarrow. That might explain your sexual problems -- geoff |
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On Jul 4, 11:55 am, Roger Dewhurst wrote:
Forget the billiard balls and go looking for the largest ball bearing available. They might come from some very heavy machinery, not necessarily with wheels! Steel is much more elastic than billiard ball material. I mean elastic in the physical sense not like rubber. I've already considered steel balls. If they were the size of billiard balls or bigger, they would be very heavy and would squash the fingers of the unwary and OSH would be nasty to me. I have considered steel rods in wooden balls. I may go back to that seeing as the billiard balls are going to be more expensive than I thought. |
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In message , Gib Bogle writes geoff wrote: In message , Matty F writes OK I've decided to use billiard balls for my Newton's cradle. But I would rather not drill into the balls or try to glue things on them. How can I hold the balls in position? Large scrotal sack Sack? I use a wheelbarrow. That might explain your sexual problems How did you hear about those? |
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In message , Mike Barnes writes Matty F : OK I've decided to use billiard balls for my Newton's cradle. But I would rather not drill into the balls or try to glue things on them. How can I hold the balls in position? This very large version has some rings, which is what I am considering: http://i48.tinypic.com/1euurq.jpg But people are likely to pull the balls out if they can, and I would rather have a couple of large rings, one on each side, centered on the point of impact. I'll have to tie them together somehow. Cable ties? I'll probably use heavy monofilament nylon to hold the balls in line. Unless someone thinks of something better. I have to make this in the next few days! Jubilee clips. Demonstration to be seen by half the population of the southern hemisphere (except the sheep) and you want him to use jubilee clips and chewing gum? They're not all like the ones we're used to e.g. these in stainless steel: http://www.jubileeclips.co.uk/pdfs/L...uperclamps.pdf (you could DIY a slightly neater looking version I'm sure) or these if the crimp marks could be concealed: http://www.jubileeclips.co.uk/pdfs/L...0O%20Clips.pdf In any event clips would be good for quick non-destructive testing of the dynamic properties of various ball materials. -- Mike Barnes |
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Gib Bogle saying something like: How can I hold the balls in position? Large scrotal sack Sack? I use a wheelbarrow. That sounds unfeasible. |
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On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 18:19:18 -0700 (PDT), Matty F wrote:
But I would rather not drill into the balls or try to glue things on them. How can I hold the balls in position? Not wishing to damage the balls makes things tricky... Getting a ring of individual rings to stay in the right place under the shocks may also prove interesting, the rings on the image you linked to show them displaced... But people are likely to pull the balls out if they can, and I would rather have a couple of large rings, one on each side, centered on the point of impact. I'll have to tie them together somehow. 6 rings sized so that they just meet at four points when placed onto the surface for the ball? Suspension points taken from opposite points on one ring, stops the possible twisting problem. Joining the rings might be fun, how about some netting with a 3/4" or there abouts mesh? Make into a draw string bag perhaps witha solid ring to make the "draw string" and provide suspension points. -- Cheers Dave. |
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wibbled on Sunday 04 July 2010 11:47 On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 18:19:18 -0700 (PDT), Matty F wrote: But I would rather not drill into the balls or try to glue things on them. How can I hold the balls in position? Not wishing to damage the balls makes things tricky... Getting a ring of individual rings to stay in the right place under the shocks may also prove interesting, the rings on the image you linked to show them displaced... But people are likely to pull the balls out if they can, and I would rather have a couple of large rings, one on each side, centered on the point of impact. I'll have to tie them together somehow. 6 rings sized so that they just meet at four points when placed onto the surface for the ball? Suspension points taken from opposite points on one ring, stops the possible twisting problem. Joining the rings might be fun, how about some netting with a 3/4" or there abouts mesh? Make into a draw string bag perhaps witha solid ring to make the "draw string" and provide suspension points. Tie wraps and a tie gun. Tighten the ties gradually and in a sequence to keep tension balanced on the rings. The wraps will lie *fairly* flat after the use of a gun and no-one will be nicking the balls (unless they cut the wraps). I'm thinking metal curtain rings to match the balls might be a low effort method. I'm sure there would be some rings that would suit billiard balls or similar. -- Tim Watts Managers, politicians and environmentalists: Nature's carbon buffer. |
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Sack? I use a wheelbarrow. That sounds unfeasible. You might want to read up on Elephantiasis. but _not_ if you are squeamish. Andy |
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, Owain writes On 4 July, 19:56, Andy Champ wrote: You might want to read up on Elephantiasis. *but _not_ if you are squeamish. "Daddy wouldn't buy me a spacehopper" http://elephantiasis.freeyellow.com/eleph-fiji.gif Now, if you could just find another 5 sufferers ... -- geoff |
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, Owain writes On 4 July, 21:14, geoff wrote: "Daddy wouldn't buy me a spacehopper" Now, if you could just find another 5 sufferers ... ... there's be enough for a freakshow edition of Come Dine With Me. Apparently it's possible to D-I-Y with sterile saline injection. And we have a new invention Laydeez 'n gentilmin, I give you ... Newton's Crotch -- geoff |
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Andy Champ saying something like: Grimly Curmudgeon wrote: Sack? I use a wheelbarrow. That sounds unfeasible. You might want to read up on Elephantiasis. but _not_ if you are squeamish. That'd be a whoosh, then. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buster_Gonad |
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
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On Jul 4, 8:42 pm, Mike Barnes wrote:
http://www.jubileeclips.co.uk/pdfs/L...uperclamps.pdf (you could DIY a slightly neater looking version I'm sure) or these if the crimp marks could be concealed: http://www.jubileeclips.co.uk/pdfs/L...0O%20Clips.pdf In any event clips would be good for quick non-destructive testing of the dynamic properties of various ball materials. I think I could make some neat clips out of strips of sheetmetal and roll the join together. Nobody had mentioned duct tape. I have some clear duct tape! I have now bought the billiard balls (new) for almost nothing. |
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Matty F wrote:
On Jul 4, 11:55 am, Roger Dewhurst wrote: Forget the billiard balls and go looking for the largest ball bearing available. They might come from some very heavy machinery, not necessarily with wheels! Steel is much more elastic than billiard ball material. I mean elastic in the physical sense not like rubber. I've already considered steel balls. If they were the size of billiard balls or bigger, they would be very heavy and would squash the fingers of the unwary and OSH would be nasty to me. I have considered steel rods in wooden balls. I may go back to that seeing as the billiard balls are going to be more expensive than I thought. This thing works because and only because of the elastic property of steel. R |
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geoff wrote:
In message , Gib Bogle writes geoff wrote: In message , Matty F writes OK I've decided to use billiard balls for my Newton's cradle. But I would rather not drill into the balls or try to glue things on them. How can I hold the balls in position? Large scrotal sack Sack? I use a wheelbarrow. That might explain your sexual problems Elephantiasis of the testicles is no joke! R |
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Newton's cradle
On Jul 5, 12:47 pm, Roger Dewhurst wrote:
Matty F wrote: On Jul 4, 11:55 am, Roger Dewhurst wrote: Forget the billiard balls and go looking for the largest ball bearing available. They might come from some very heavy machinery, not necessarily with wheels! Steel is much more elastic than billiard ball material. I mean elastic in the physical sense not like rubber. I've already considered steel balls. If they were the size of billiard balls or bigger, they would be very heavy and would squash the fingers of the unwary and OSH would be nasty to me. I have considered steel rods in wooden balls. I may go back to that seeing as the billiard balls are going to be more expensive than I thought. This thing works because and only because of the elastic property of steel. Where were you when I last discussed this? You mean my billiard balls won't work now that I bought them? However I just tested them. They seem to work fine! |
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