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Leaking chimney, but where is the water getting in? (see pics)
On Jun 10, 9:19 am, The Natural Philosopher
wrote: Jim K wrote: On Jun 9, 11:58 pm, Weatherlawyer wrote: On 8 June, 21:37, Jim K wrote: On Jun 8, 9:23 pm, Weatherlawyer wrote: You are an idiot. There is nothing going down the chimney from above the lead. Look under the lead. It isn't doing anything. Get a picture of the roof when it is raining. It will be a puddle deeper than the bottom of the lead. So what he has there is a big shallow pool draining into the fireplace. and just how the F do you know that then einstein? which picture shows what's under the lead? I think you're the presumptive idiot here..... Presumptive? No. Aggressive yes and an idiot at times. When he posts the pool picture you will see the bloody obvious, though how you missed the bloody obvious about the chimney not leaking above the lead I can not hope to guess. you mean we have to wait and see if your presumptions are correct? Stiill at least you accept there's no evidence yet of what you think is wrong, that's a step forward, but still a long way to go tho ;) Cheers Jim K The first time I swa that flashing I thought 'thats simply wrong' Flashing is done the way its done because that way works. It hasn't been done that way, ergo it probably wont work. It doesn't take much brain to look at a car with square wheels and say 'that wont drive very well' But I expect you would want scientific tests to back that up, as well. sigh from the evidence provided (to all) the flashing is at least 2 brick courses high - say minumum 4inch? How should the flashing appear in the photographs to be "correct" in your humble opinion? FACT we don't know what's under the flashing. Until it's inspected by someone we never will - simple irrefutable fact no? The usual "doom & gloom", "pull it down", "start again", "you've been ripped off" theories are being vigorously promoted (by the usual suspects) solely on the basis of their imaginations and alleged expertise yet they *do not know* what is actually going on becasue *they have not seen*. All you are doing is betting. Cheers Jim K |
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On 10 June, 10:36, Jim K wrote:
On Jun 10, 9:19 am, The Natural Philosopher wrote: Jim K wrote: On Jun 9, 11:58 pm, Weatherlawyer wrote: On 8 June, 21:37, Jim K wrote: On Jun 8, 9:23 pm, Weatherlawyer wrote: You are an idiot. There is nothing going down the chimney from above the lead. Look under the lead. It isn't doing anything. Get a picture of the roof when it is raining. It will be a puddle deeper than the bottom of the lead. So what he has there is a big shallow pool draining into the fireplace. and just how the F do you know that then einstein? which picture shows what's under the lead? I think you're the presumptive idiot here..... Presumptive? No. Aggressive yes and an idiot at times. When he posts the pool picture you will see the bloody obvious, though how you missed the bloody obvious about the chimney not leaking above the lead I can not hope to guess. you mean we have to wait and see if your presumptions are correct? Stiill at least you accept there's no evidence yet of what you think is wrong, that's a step forward, but still a long way to go tho ;) Cheers Jim K The first time I swa that flashing I thought 'thats simply wrong' Flashing is done the way its done because that way works. It hasn't been done that way, ergo it probably wont work. It doesn't take much brain to look at a car with square wheels and say 'that wont drive very well' But I expect you would want scientific tests to back that up, as well. sigh from the evidence provided (to all) the flashing is at least 2 brick courses high - say minumum 4inch? How should the flashing appear in the photographs to be "correct" in your humble opinion? FACT we don't know what's under the flashing. Until it's inspected by someone we never will - simple irrefutable fact no? The usual "doom & gloom", "pull it down", "start again", "you've been ripped off" theories are being vigorously promoted (by the usual suspects) solely on the basis of their imaginations and alleged expertise yet they *do not know* what is actually going on becasue *they have not seen*. All you are doing is betting. Cheers Jim K The flashing on a closer look , dosen`t look that clever, the open corners aint going to help. The silicone sealant on the chimney is simply wrong, combined with at least 3 separate obvious goes at pointing repairs, different colours of mortar, looks like pointing has given previous people,greivous repair despair. Damp ingress can go from being a minor inconvenience to a major repair scarily quickly, had a 200quid blocked gutter turn into 12grand major roof repair beacuse of wet rot, only took 2 years of everyone thinking somone else was getting it fixed. If you want a betting game , try damp in ground floor, is it rising damp, interior condensation, water run off from local park, broken Scottish Water supply pipe or alien ectoplasm, alien ectoplasm would be Scottish Water`s preferred explanantion, throw a double six for the correct answer, including if your a surveyor.... Cheers Adam |
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Jim K wrote:
On Jun 10, 9:19 am, The Natural Philosopher wrote: Jim K wrote: On Jun 9, 11:58 pm, Weatherlawyer wrote: On 8 June, 21:37, Jim K wrote: On Jun 8, 9:23 pm, Weatherlawyer wrote: You are an idiot. There is nothing going down the chimney from above the lead. Look under the lead. It isn't doing anything. Get a picture of the roof when it is raining. It will be a puddle deeper than the bottom of the lead. So what he has there is a big shallow pool draining into the fireplace. and just how the F do you know that then einstein? which picture shows what's under the lead? I think you're the presumptive idiot here..... Presumptive? No. Aggressive yes and an idiot at times. When he posts the pool picture you will see the bloody obvious, though how you missed the bloody obvious about the chimney not leaking above the lead I can not hope to guess. you mean we have to wait and see if your presumptions are correct? Stiill at least you accept there's no evidence yet of what you think is wrong, that's a step forward, but still a long way to go tho ;) Cheers Jim K The first time I swa that flashing I thought 'thats simply wrong' Flashing is done the way its done because that way works. It hasn't been done that way, ergo it probably wont work. It doesn't take much brain to look at a car with square wheels and say 'that wont drive very well' But I expect you would want scientific tests to back that up, as well. sigh from the evidence provided (to all) the flashing is at least 2 brick courses high - say minumum 4inch? so ****ing what? Its not how HIGH it is, its where it finishes. It doesn't meet the flat roof at all! It looks like flashing that has been partially removed from the old stack when the roof was flattened. How should the flashing appear in the photographs to be "correct" in your humble opinion? It should spread out to cover the flat roof, not be gobbed with silicone or whatever. FACT we don't know what's under the flashing. Until it's inspected by someone we never will - simple irrefutable fact no? The point is, there is no flashing. That does anything. The usual "doom & gloom", "pull it down", "start again", "you've been ripped off" theories are being vigorously promoted (by the usual suspects) solely on the basis of their imaginations and alleged expertise yet they *do not know* what is actually going on becasue *they have not seen*. I dont need to see what amounts to band of lead round a stack base poking through a flat roof to know that isn't flashing. It might have been once., but it aint now. All you are doing is betting. No, that's your game. I've dealt with plenty of leaks, and I know how the game works. Cheers Jim K |
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On Jun 10, 11:12 am, The Natural Philosopher
wrote: It should spread out to cover the flat roof, not be gobbed with silicone or whatever. what purpose would having lead flattened out ontop of the felt round the stack add? FACT we don't know what's under the flashing. Until it's inspected by someone we never will - simple irrefutable fact no? The point is, there is no flashing. That does anything. The usual "doom & gloom", "pull it down", "start again", "you've been ripped off" theories are being vigorously promoted (by the usual suspects) solely on the basis of their imaginations and alleged expertise yet they *do not know* what is actually going on becasue *they have not seen*. I dont need to see what amounts to band of lead round a stack base poking through a flat roof to know that isn't flashing. It might have been once., but it aint now. so all that's wrong you reckon is the lead needs to be wider and lap onto the felt and not gobbed up with silicone anywhere??!! All you are doing is betting. No, that's your game. I've dealt with plenty of leaks, and I know how the game works. we'll see (I hope :)) do you do clairvoyance parties too? Cheers Jim K |
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On Jun 7, 12:49*pm, The Natural Philosopher
wrote: The whole point of a roof slope is to make gravity work for you against wind pressure. I must congratulate you for your patience in dealing with such an utter idiot. And take any kudos back from you for not having realised it was a lost cause. He will never grasp that when you have an obstacle like a chimney you have to set the shed to ground the water around the outside. All he can see is a Band Aid of lead. He will never be able to grasp more than that. |
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I've taken a bunch more pictures, and can now see that there is
definitely lots of silicone in the gaps. I assume the silicone sealant is specified for external use. Does it have a long life? The most interesting pic is http://yfrog.com/j3sybj which shows a hole with a *bit* of silicon in it. http://yfrog.com/afn6fj http://yfrog.com/16fj2j http://yfrog.com/9fn4gj http://yfrog.com/msqhqj http://yfrog.com/9hsi7j http://yfrog.com/507oyj http://yfrog.com/jkj7pj http://yfrog.com/6ra1uj http://yfrog.com/bfjojj http://yfrog.com/hq1xhj I've started running water on bits of the roof/chimney to find out what is leaking, working my way up from the bottom. Nothing has come through yet, but I do see another problem - see this video... http://yfrog.com/modscn3310z I'm going to give the company a ring tomorrow and give them a piece of my mind. Calum |
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On Jun 13, 8:34 pm, Calum wrote:
I've taken a bunch more pictures, and can now see that there is definitely lots of silicone in the gaps. I assume the silicone sealant is specified for external use. Does it have a long life? seriously silicone in that appication is a bodge, maybe they were "testing a theory" but silicone is *not* the longterm answer to that stack's issues... I'm going to give the company a ring tomorrow and give them a piece of my mind. keep it cool and logical, common sensical, decide what you want them to do before you ring them, that may well be "just come and look and discuss how you are going to put it right" was repairing the flaky stack in the spec/quote for the job? if not then ideally they should have told you how sh1t it was and asked you what you wanted doing whilst they are up there, but they could try and argue it wasn't part of of the job quoted and charge you extra to fix. have you fully paid yet? just puts you in astronger position to get satisfaction before they poss. contemplate "doing one" and leaving you with the problem - and seeing if you can be arsed to chase them for redress.... keep us posted Cheers Jim K |
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s.com, Calum scribeth thus I've taken a bunch more pictures, and can now see that there is definitely lots of silicone in the gaps. I assume the silicone sealant is specified for external use. Does it have a long life? Well I can't say I've ever seen silicone sealant as good as what it can be to point bricks up;!.. The most interesting pic is http://yfrog.com/j3sybj which shows a hole with a *bit* of silicon in it. http://yfrog.com/afn6fj http://yfrog.com/16fj2j http://yfrog.com/9fn4gj http://yfrog.com/msqhqj http://yfrog.com/9hsi7j http://yfrog.com/507oyj http://yfrog.com/jkj7pj http://yfrog.com/6ra1uj http://yfrog.com/bfjojj http://yfrog.com/hq1xhj I've started running water on bits of the roof/chimney to find out what is leaking, working my way up from the bottom. Nothing has come through yet, but I do see another problem - see this video... http://yfrog.com/modscn3310z I'm going to give the company a ring tomorrow and give them a piece of my mind. Calum What a bodge job this looks. I'd be inclined to put a complaint in writing and recorded delivery and get an independent inspection. Do you really want this lot back again?.. -- Tony Sayer |
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On 13 June, 20:55, Jim K wrote:
On Jun 13, 8:34 pm, Calum wrote: I'm going to give the company a ring tomorrow and give them a piece of my mind. keep it cool and logical, common sensical, decide what you want them to do before you ring them, that may well be "just come and look and discuss how you are going to put it right" was repairing the flaky stack in the spec/quote for the job? if not then ideally they should have told you how sh1t it was and asked you what you wanted doing whilst they are up there, but they could try and argue it wasn't part of of the job quoted and charge you extra to fix. have you fully paid yet? just puts you in astronger position to get satisfaction before they poss. contemplate "doing one" and leaving you with the problem - and seeing if you can be arsed to chase them for redress.... Thanks Jim. Luckily I'm not too hot headed. But I will convey my annoyance that the company's site manager said he inspected himself, and he could see nowhere that the water might get in. He just didn't look around the other side. So far I've got on with the company very well, but they are now trying my patience. The quote was for providing the loft conversion at fixed price i.e. they explicitly took the risk of unforseen circumstances like additional structural work etc. Luckily we haven't paid fully yet. |
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On Jun 13, 9:52*pm, tony sayer wrote:
What a bodge job this looks. I'd be inclined to put a complaint *in writing and recorded delivery and get an independent inspection. Do you really want this lot back again?.. I strongly agree. I would tell them to hold whilst you get an independent surveyor to list all the defects and the remedial work/ cost. What is going on with those ridge tiles at the edge of the flat roof? I've never seen anything like that before. From your pictures I can't quite work out where the chimney is in relation to that sloping section that leaks under the soffit. If you can do without the chimney it might be worth removing it below tiles and tiling over that section. It would be another area to eliminate leaks. To be honest if it were my roof I'd want the whole lot stripping off and redoing properly -otherwise it will always be leaking somewhere due to the numerous bodges. Dave. |
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On Jun 13, 11:25 pm, Dave Starling wrote:
On Jun 13, 9:52 pm, tony sayer wrote: What a bodge job this looks. I'd be inclined to put a complaint in writing and recorded delivery and get an independent inspection. Do you really want this lot back again?.. I strongly agree. I would tell them to hold whilst you get an independent surveyor to list all the defects and the remedial work/ cost. despite my usual distrust of profeshunals (esp surveyors) I think dave's surveyor suggestion could be well "on the money" on this one - too many things going on up there for comfort... Cheers Jim K |
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On Jun 14, 9:08*am, Jim K wrote:
On Jun 13, 11:25 pm, Dave Starling wrote: On Jun 13, 9:52 pm, tony sayer wrote: What a bodge job this looks. I'd be inclined to put a complaint *in writing and recorded delivery and get an independent inspection. Do you really want this lot back again?.. I strongly agree. I would tell them to hold whilst you get an independent surveyor to list all the defects and the remedial work/ cost. despite my usual distrust of profeshunals (esp surveyors) I think dave's surveyor suggestion could be well "on the money" on this one - too many things going on up there for comfort... Why don't we all send two halfpennies in and pay for Jim K to turn up and see what everyone else can see, then report back? I'd love to get him on a roof. But not for long. |
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On Jun 14, 9:07 pm, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Jun 14, 9:08 am, Jim K wrote: On Jun 13, 11:25 pm, Dave Starling wrote: On Jun 13, 9:52 pm, tony sayer wrote: What a bodge job this looks. I'd be inclined to put a complaint in writing and recorded delivery and get an independent inspection. Do you really want this lot back again?.. I strongly agree. I would tell them to hold whilst you get an independent surveyor to list all the defects and the remedial work/ cost. despite my usual distrust of profeshunals (esp surveyors) I think dave's surveyor suggestion could be well "on the money" on this one - too many things going on up there for comfort... Why don't we all send two halfpennies in and pay for Jim K to turn up and see what everyone else can see, then report back? I'd love to get him on a roof. But not for long. you forgot your pills again? |
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On 13 June, 22:19, Calum wrote:
On 13 June, 20:55, Jim K wrote: On Jun 13, 8:34 pm, Calum wrote: I'm going to give the company a ring tomorrow and give them a piece of my mind. keep it cool and logical, common sensical, decide what you want them to do before you ring them, that may well be "just come and look and discuss how you are going to put it right" was repairing the flaky stack in the spec/quote for the job? if not then ideally they should have told you how sh1t it was and asked you what you wanted doing whilst they are up there, but they could try and argue it wasn't part of of the job quoted and charge you extra to fix. have you fully paid yet? just puts you in astronger position to get satisfaction before they poss. contemplate "doing one" and leaving you with the problem - and seeing if you can be arsed to chase them for redress.... Thanks Jim. *Luckily I'm not too hot headed. *But I will convey my annoyance that the company's site manager said he inspected himself, and he could see nowhere that the water might get in. *He just didn't look around the other side. Perhaps email him a link to your video :-0 *So far I've got on with the company very well, but they are now trying my patience. Suggestion of tanking a loft room was a bit of an alarm bell to be sure to be sure... The quote was for providing the loft conversion at fixed price i.e. they explicitly took the risk of unforseen circumstances like additional structural work etc. *Luckily we haven't paid fully yet. Beware of getting into argument about state of chimney, which may be contributory but reasonably not part of contract, not reasonable to start pratting about with silicone on pointing though, makes it harder to do propery after. Lead work from any angle is clearly indequate, site manager didn`t need to look closely, was it him who suggested the tanking? Cheers Adam |
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