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concerted effort to defeat squirrels scoffing bird feed..
strung a 2mm diameter wire rope between two trees from which to suspend assorted feeders etc... However said rope is not level so anything hung on it will slide so I need some way to anchor the feeders, preferably by creating "stops" past which they can't slide?? I'm sure I've seen some kind of small "C" section clamps that I could just slip sideways onto the wire rope and secure by tightening a small bolt/grub screw - but I can't remember where I saw them or what the rest of the world would use them for to start to look! - Anyone know what I've seen? boats? wire track lighting? Any other ideas? Cheers JimK |
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, JimK writes concerted effort to defeat squirrels scoffing bird feed.. strung a 2mm diameter wire rope between two trees from which to suspend assorted feeders etc... However said rope is not level so anything hung on it will slide so I need some way to anchor the feeders, preferably by creating "stops" past which they can't slide?? If you can still slide something onto the end of the 2mm wire how about taking the inner, metal, parts of electrical choc' block connectors and sliding these along. Then tighten the screws to hold them in place. These would act as stops for anything sliding and would be cheep (cost effective) too. Or even a double connector complete with plastic and use the other half to hang the feeder from? -- Bill |
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"JimK" wrote in message ... concerted effort to defeat squirrels scoffing bird feed.. strung a 2mm diameter wire rope between two trees from which to suspend assorted feeders etc... However said rope is not level so anything hung on it will slide so I need some way to anchor the feeders, preferably by creating "stops" past which they can't slide?? I'm sure I've seen some kind of small "C" section clamps that I could just slip sideways onto the wire rope and secure by tightening a small bolt/grub screw - but I can't remember where I saw them or what the rest of the world would use them for to start to look! - Anyone know what I've seen? boats? wire track lighting? Any other ideas? Cheers JimK What about jubilee also known as hose clips and if that is not enough a piece of metal secured between the wire and the hose clip and bent at 90 degrees. Cheap and no need to disconnect the wire. Robbie |
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On Mar 13, 2:41 pm, Bill wrote:
In message , JimK writes concerted effort to defeat squirrels scoffing bird feed.. strung a 2mm diameter wire rope between two trees from which to suspend assorted feeders etc... However said rope is not level so anything hung on it will slide so I need some way to anchor the feeders, preferably by creating "stops" past which they can't slide?? If you can still slide something onto the end of the 2mm wire how about taking the inner, metal, parts of electrical choc' block connectors and sliding these along. Then tighten the screws to hold them in place. These would act as stops for anything sliding and would be cheep (cost effective) too. Or even a double connector complete with plastic and use the other half to hang the feeder from? -- Bill a nice idea - tho the wire is now fully installed (i.e. I ain't going up that wobbly ladder again witrhout a *lot* of lateral thinking!! :) I'd also pondered using meccano "collars" - (round brass with grub screw - used on axles etc) but similar installation probs. Cheers JimK |
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JimK wrote:
concerted effort to defeat squirrels scoffing bird feed.. strung a 2mm diameter wire rope between two trees from which to suspend assorted feeders etc... However said rope is not level so anything hung on it will slide so I need some way to anchor the feeders, preferably by creating "stops" past which they can't slide?? I'm sure I've seen some kind of small "C" section clamps that I could just slip sideways onto the wire rope and secure by tightening a small bolt/grub screw - but I can't remember where I saw them or what the rest of the world would use them for to start to look! - Anyone know what I've seen? boats? wire track lighting? Any other ideas? Cheers JimK B&Q Depot? Malcolm |
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JimK wrote:
concerted effort to defeat squirrels scoffing bird feed.. strung a 2mm diameter wire rope between two trees from which to suspend assorted feeders etc... However said rope is not level so anything hung on it will slide so I need some way to anchor the feeders, preferably by creating "stops" past which they can't slide?? cable ties will be sufficient and easy to experiment with |
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Steve Walker wrote:
JimK wrote: concerted effort to defeat squirrels scoffing bird feed.. strung a 2mm diameter wire rope between two trees from which to suspend assorted feeders etc... However said rope is not level so anything hung on it will slide so I need some way to anchor the feeders, preferably by creating "stops" past which they can't slide?? cable ties will be sufficient and easy to experiment with His problem will still be the ladder though. To the OP, how high up is the wire and by what amount does it slope? Dave |
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JimK wrote:
concerted effort to defeat squirrels scoffing bird feed.. A waste of time IMO http://www.webtvhub.com/squirrel-mis...mazing-skills/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4Eb1Nt6WIE Colin Bignell |
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JimK wrote:
Anyone know what I've seen? boats? wire track lighting? I suspect what you are talking about are rope grips or bulldog grips. In marine environments these are mostly stainless steel, although heavy galvanised are also use on older boats. Quite cheap at most chandlers. I'd suggest that you also consider getting turnbuckle ends for the rope which will eliminate some, if not all, of the sag. http://www.s3i.co.uk/ropegrip.php |
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On Mar 13, 4:16 pm, "Steve Walker" wrote:
JimK wrote: concerted effort to defeat squirrels scoffing bird feed.. strung a 2mm diameter wire rope between two trees from which to suspend assorted feeders etc... However said rope is not level so anything hung on it will slide so I need some way to anchor the feeders, preferably by creating "stops" past which they can't slide?? cable ties will be sufficient and easy to experiment with mmm used on their own as stops I don't think they'll be big enough to work....or do you mean to attach something with them to act as a stop? Pondering on, I reckon that, in rough weather, the carabiner type hooks i'm hanging the feeders etc.may, given enough momentum, ride over smaller stops.... Cheers JimK |
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On Mar 13, 5:10 pm, Dave wrote:
Steve Walker wrote: JimK wrote: concerted effort to defeat squirrels scoffing bird feed.. strung a 2mm diameter wire rope between two trees from which to suspend assorted feeders etc... However said rope is not level so anything hung on it will slide so I need some way to anchor the feeders, preferably by creating "stops" past which they can't slide?? cable ties will be sufficient and easy to experiment with His problem will still be the ladder though. To the OP, how high up is the wire and by what amount does it slope? ah well my ingenious lowering mechanism gets it within easy reach for "loading" purposes ;) Cheers JimK |
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On Mar 13, 5:50 pm, "Nightjar \"cpb\"@" "insertmysurnamehere wrote:
JimK wrote: concerted effort to defeat squirrels scoffing bird feed.. A waste of time IMO http://www.webtvhub.com/squirrel-mis...?v=u4Eb1Nt6WIE Colin Bignell maybe but those vids are almost obviously intended to entertain not actually prevent the feckers succeeding. Witness the success of those plastic dome shields when sited optimally - i.e. away from potential aerial "launch sites" that the furry feckers can jump from directly onto the feeder.... Plus mine's a metal wire rope which makes it conductive.... :) fx: manic laughter Cheers JimK |
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember JimK saying something like: strung a 2mm diameter wire rope between two trees from which to suspend assorted feeders etc... However said rope is not level so anything hung on it will slide so I need some way to anchor the feeders, preferably by creating "stops" past which they can't slide?? I'm sure I've seen some kind of small "C" section clamps that I could just slip sideways onto the wire rope and secure by tightening a small bolt/grub screw - but I can't remember where I saw them or what the rest of the world would use them for to start to look! - Go into your nearest farmers' store and find wire rope clamps - dead cheap for the small size you need. |
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"Nightjar \"cpb\"@" "insertmysurnamehere wrote:
JimK wrote: concerted effort to defeat squirrels scoffing bird feed.. A waste of time IMO http://www.webtvhub.com/squirrel-mis...mazing-skills/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4Eb1Nt6WIE The key is to get the squirrels doing amazing stuff, so you can live off the adwords. :) |
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JimK wrote:
However said rope is not level so anything hung on it will slide so I need some way to anchor the feeders Learn to tie a rolling hitch? Pete |
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On Mar 13, 7:09 pm, Pete Verdon
d wrote: JimK wrote: However said rope is not level so anything hung on it will slide so I need some way to anchor the feeders Learn to tie a rolling hitch? Pete in wire rope? not enough spare slack I suspect.... Cheers JimK |
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JimK wrote:
On Mar 13, 5:10 pm, Dave wrote: Steve Walker wrote: JimK wrote: concerted effort to defeat squirrels scoffing bird feed.. strung a 2mm diameter wire rope between two trees from which to suspend assorted feeders etc... However said rope is not level so anything hung on it will slide so I need some way to anchor the feeders, preferably by creating "stops" past which they can't slide?? cable ties will be sufficient and easy to experiment with His problem will still be the ladder though. To the OP, how high up is the wire and by what amount does it slope? ah well my ingenious lowering mechanism gets it within easy reach for "loading" purposes ;) Cheers JimK You didn't mention that you can easily lower the wire. Then use the centenary wire grips with a bit of dowel between the wire and the grip, hang the feeders and hoist back up/ Dave |
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On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 10:13:23 -0800 (PST), JimK wrote:
Plus mine's a metal wire rope which makes it conductive.... :) fx: manic laughter Unless you can pass enough current down it to get suffcient volt drop between front and back paws. Birds sit on power lines all the time, men work of the super grid lines, live... The only time having the wire electrified is a problem is getting on/off it from/to something else that can form a circuit. Unless you zapped te tree rat the first time they'd soon learn to jump over the insulator rather than climb round it. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On 13 Mar, 18:13, JimK wrote:
On Mar 13, 5:50 pm, "Nightjar \"cpb\"@" "insertmysurnamehere wrote: JimK wrote: concerted effort to defeat squirrels scoffing bird feed.. A waste of time IMO http://www.webtvhub.com/squirrel-mis...eo-squirrel-sh... Colin Bignell maybe but those vids are almost obviously intended to entertain not actually prevent the feckers succeeding. Witness the success of those plastic dome shields when sited optimally - i.e. away from potential aerial "launch sites" that the furry feckers can jump from directly onto the feeder.... Plus mine's a metal wire rope which makes it conductive.... :) fx: manic laughter Cheers JimK I went down the suspend-the-feeder-from-the-wire route - they learnt to shimmy along the wire within 24 hours. I put plastic baffles (made from flowerpots) on the wire, they learnt to leap from trees and bushes. The only place in the garden I could suspend the feeder where they perhaps would have struggled to jump onto it would have looked ridiculous. The solution is to buy something like this: http://shortlinks.co.uk/vw4 I've never seen such frustration and fury as when the squirrels first found that the nuts had been imprisoned in one of those. They wasted many fruitless hours rattling the bars. I also got some proper traps for them (and I'm not talking about those ones where you catch them and let them out again!). |
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On Mar 13, 2:20*pm, JimK wrote:
concerted effort to defeat squirrels scoffing bird feed.. strung a 2mm diameter wire rope between two trees from which to suspend assorted feeders etc... However said rope is not level so anything hung on it will slide so I need some way to anchor the feeders, preferably by creating "stops" past which they can't slide?? I'm sure I've seen some kind of small "C" section clamps that I could just slip sideways onto the wire rope and secure by tightening a small bolt/grub screw - but I can't remember where I saw them or what the rest of the world would use them for to start to look! - Anyone know what I've seen? boats? wire track lighting? Any other ideas? Cheers JimK Use a flat piece of metal or strong plastic etc, and slot it alternately on 2 sides. Now the wire is put through the open slots alternately so it zigzags, and no sliding occurs due to friction. Not sure if you get the description, but its simple and works well. NT |
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JimK wrote:
concerted effort to defeat squirrels scoffing bird feed.. strung a 2mm diameter wire rope between two trees from which to suspend assorted feeders etc... However said rope is not level so anything hung on it will slide so I need some way to anchor the feeders, preferably by creating "stops" past which they can't slide?? I'm sure I've seen some kind of small "C" section clamps that I could just slip sideways onto the wire rope and secure by tightening a small bolt/grub screw - but I can't remember where I saw them or what the rest of the world would use them for to start to look! - Anyone know what I've seen? boats? wire track lighting? Any other ideas? Cheers JimK All this discussion, at any hardware shop you can get these sort of things. http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/28...ope_Clips.html |
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Think of the lead weights fishermen crimp onto fishing line ...
.... then think of a way of doing something similar without using lead. HTH J^n |
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On Mar 14, 8:38 am, NT wrote:
On Mar 13, 2:20 pm, JimK wrote: concerted effort to defeat squirrels scoffing bird feed.. strung a 2mm diameter wire rope between two trees from which to suspend assorted feeders etc... However said rope is not level so anything hung on it will slide so I need some way to anchor the feeders, preferably by creating "stops" past which they can't slide?? I'm sure I've seen some kind of small "C" section clamps that I could just slip sideways onto the wire rope and secure by tightening a small bolt/grub screw - but I can't remember where I saw them or what the rest of the world would use them for to start to look! - Anyone know what I've seen? boats? wire track lighting? Any other ideas? Cheers JimK Use a flat piece of metal or strong plastic etc, and slot it alternately on 2 sides. Now the wire is put through the open slots alternately so it zigzags, and no sliding occurs due to friction. Not sure if you get the description, but its simple and works well. NT I'm with you - like you slide when tensioning tent guy ropes - good idea! I'll give it a whirl next try NB the wire grip things everyone is bleariliy pointing me to have given up and the effin wire is down at the moment! :( Cheers JimK |
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On Mar 14, 12:12 pm, jkn wrote:
Think of the lead weights fishermen crimp onto fishing line ... ... then think of a way of doing something similar without using lead. HTH J^n why not lead? I got some scrap knockin about.... Cheers JimK |
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On Mar 14, 12:22 am, Martin Pentreath
wrote: On 13 Mar, 18:13, JimK wrote: On Mar 13, 5:50 pm, "Nightjar \"cpb\"@" "insertmysurnamehere wrote: JimK wrote: concerted effort to defeat squirrels scoffing bird feed.. A waste of time IMO http://www.webtvhub.com/squirrel-mis...eo-squirrel-sh... Colin Bignell maybe but those vids are almost obviously intended to entertain not actually prevent the feckers succeeding. Witness the success of those plastic dome shields when sited optimally - i.e. away from potential aerial "launch sites" that the furry feckers can jump from directly onto the feeder.... Plus mine's a metal wire rope which makes it conductive.... :) fx: manic laughter Cheers JimK I went down the suspend-the-feeder-from-the-wire route - they learnt to shimmy along the wire within 24 hours. I put plastic baffles (made from flowerpots) on the wire, they learnt to leap from trees and bushes. The only place in the garden I could suspend the feeder where they perhaps would have struggled to jump onto it would have looked ridiculous. The solution is to buy something like this: http://shortlinks.co.uk/vw4 mmm OK with nuts I think, we have a similar for seed (allegedly) and the grey feckers swing on it and then "hoover" up the seed from the pan at the bottom... Cheers JimK |
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JimK wrote:
On Mar 13, 4:16 pm, "Steve Walker" wrote: JimK wrote: concerted effort to defeat squirrels scoffing bird feed.. strung a 2mm diameter wire rope between two trees from which to suspend assorted feeders etc... However said rope is not level so anything hung on it will slide so I need some way to anchor the feeders, preferably by creating "stops" past which they can't slide?? cable ties will be sufficient and easy to experiment with mmm used on their own as stops I don't think they'll be big enough to work....or do you mean to attach something with them to act as a stop? Pondering on, I reckon that, in rough weather, the carabiner type hooks i'm hanging the feeders etc.may, given enough momentum, ride over smaller stops.... Use cable ties to clamp rings to the wire and hang the feeders from the rings. Colin Bignell |
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Dave saying something like: Then use the centenary wire grips with a bit of dowel between the wire and the grip, hang the feeders and hoist back up/ He'll need a hundred of them. |
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Nightjar "cpb"@" wrote:
JimK wrote: On Mar 13, 4:16 pm, "Steve Walker" wrote: JimK wrote: concerted effort to defeat squirrels scoffing bird feed.. strung a 2mm diameter wire rope between two trees from which to suspend assorted feeders etc... However said rope is not level so anything hung on it will slide so I need some way to anchor the feeders, preferably by creating "stops" past which they can't slide?? cable ties will be sufficient and easy to experiment with mmm used on their own as stops I don't think they'll be big enough to work....or do you mean to attach something with them to act as a stop? Pondering on, I reckon that, in rough weather, the carabiner type hooks i'm hanging the feeders etc.may, given enough momentum, ride over smaller stops.... Use cable ties to clamp rings to the wire and hang the feeders from the rings. Now you're thinking with portals. |
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JimK wrote:
On Mar 13, 7:09 pm, Pete Verdon JimK wrote: However said rope is not level so anything hung on it will slide so I need some way to anchor the feeders Learn to tie a rolling hitch? in wire rope? not enough spare slack I suspect.... No, in cord tied around the wire, then hang the feeder from the cord. Simples. Pete |
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On Mar 13, 11:20*am, JimK wrote:
concerted effort to defeat squirrels scoffing bird feed.. strung a 2mm diameter wire rope between two trees from which to suspend assorted feeders etc... However said rope is not level so anything hung on it will slide so I need some way to anchor the feeders, preferably by creating "stops" past which they can't slide?? I'm sure I've seen some kind of small "C" section clamps that I could just slip sideways onto the wire rope and secure by tightening a small bolt/grub screw - but I can't remember where I saw them or what the rest of the world would use them for to start to look! - Anyone know what I've seen? boats? wire track lighting? Any other ideas? Cheers JimK To put up a clothes line here we use metal clips which come in small package. The open clips are put round the line and then squeezed around the metal cored line with a pair of pliers etc. Typically one makes a loop in the end of of the line, formed with one or two of the clips and hooks it around something at one end. Then the other end can be kept tightened to something substantial such as the house or shed etc. We usually use a turnbuckle to keep line tight so that even with a load of wet towels it doesn't sag much. But there's no reason the clips can't be used mid span, one part squeezed around the cable and the other part around some sort of a stop or a very short piece of same metal cored clothes line to make a 'stop', or a loop can be made in the line using a clip. Couple of points though; we use rope hung feeders and the rope on which they hang can be looped around the line from which they are hung. A suitably strong point from which to suspend any line (such as a clothes line or line onto which to hang feeders) can be made from a bi- pod; two sticks tied or bolted together at the top. With the line tied back to the base of a tree, fence post or whatever behind the bi-pod. Need line tighter, move the two sticks closer together and/or slightly more upright. One advantage also is the the bi-pod can be laid flat on the ground in order to wheel a wheelbarrow or trolley, or drive past/ over it; without undoing the line. We have two clothes lines not much used in winter and it is quite possible to hang fairly heavy wooden feeders holding a pound or so of seed each, from those! Pretty sure those clips and metal cored line available in UK; had a message exchange a few years ago with a radio amateur near the Grampians (Scotland?) about using metal cored clothes line for radio antennae. And those clips were mentioned. Metal cored lines, unless the more expensive stainless variety, will eventually rust out. But my Grampian Hills contact mentioned that even in his windy and damp climate the cheaper stuff lasted (as radio antenna/aerials) for quite a few years. And also had the advantage of being relatively cheap compared to copper cable/wire!!!! One of our clothes lines is about 6 feet off the ground, parallel to back of the house and some short distance away from bedroom window. Hooking up in a rough and ready manner even a cheap radio onto it to we have on occasion picked up here, close to the most easterly point of North America some European Long Wave radio stations, usually quite weakly. So line served not only as clothe line it's also a make-do radio antenna! There was supposed to be a new LW station coming on air from the Isle of Man, on 279 kilohertz, a few years ago? IIRC? Nothing much heard since? |
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On Mar 15, 10:09 pm, Pete Verdon
d wrote: JimK wrote: On Mar 13, 7:09 pm, Pete Verdon JimK wrote: However said rope is not level so anything hung on it will slide so I need some way to anchor the feeders Learn to tie a rolling hitch? in wire rope? not enough spare slack I suspect.... No, in cord tied around the wire, then hang the feeder from the cord. Simples. Pete mmm... wiki has:- "a knot used to attach a rope to a rod, pole, or other rope. A simple friction hitch, it is used for lengthwise pull along an object rather than at right angles. The Rolling hitch is designed to resist lengthwise movement for only a single direction of pull" so does that mean it will tend to slide or tend to undo in my "non lengthwise pull" application? Cheers JimK |
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JimK wrote:
On Mar 14, 12:22 am, Martin Pentreath http://shortlinks.co.uk/vw4 mmm OK with nuts I think, we have a similar for seed (allegedly) and the grey feckers swing on it and then "hoover" up the seed from the pan at the bottom... Oddly mine is similar and I have never had problems with squirrels. But I did notice that one rather fat pigeon had learnt to fly at it from the fence swing on it and then down to the ground to feed on the droppings. Repeat until too fat to get back of the ground. Seemed to have stopped now. I think it got too fat and was prey to the neighbours cat. Andrew |
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