Hi,

Firstly, sorry, it's ended up a rather long post !

I am hoping you can help me with the right terminology when I go to
Jewson's to get some wood !!!

My Partition ...

2780mm long, height 2260mm rising to 3000 mm at the back wall.

Have been googling (and looked at the diy wiki), and have sold myself on
the idea of 3"x2" studs.

I want 12mm ply one one side, and don't really care about the other, so
would go for 6mm ply (would probably want some shelves on the other side
and could put noggins into my parition at suitables places if I want).

Remember my outbuilding could be damp. So I guess I want treated wood
for the studs ?

OK, all set then, right ? Errr I then look at the Jewsons website ..
errrr, what a vast array of choices, I am lost ...

So first, 3"x2" in new money, that's 47 mm by 75 mm ?

I did pop into Jewsons this morning, guy there put up with my lack of
knowledge, he did mention that 47x75 was the new size, but that nowadays
when it's planed down, it's actually 40 by 70 (or something like that
....) From what I'd read, isn't that something that I avoid, CLS or
something ? He did mention if I wanted to go the CLS route ... what the
heck is that .... I was after a price list actually, but he said they
didn't have one, best to go in with a list of what I need, and they'll
give a quote.

By the way, Jewsons is my ONLY choice, they are the ONLY people that
deliver here.

So, Jewsons website, product catalogue, timber .. Even the subtitles are
confusing for me ! Carcassing, hardwoods, machined softwoods, sawn
joinery, scaffold boards, treated sawn carcassing ...

So, I'd guess at Treated Sawn Carcassing 47mm, which bring up 2 choices,
47 x 50mm and 47 x 75 mm.

So I reckon this ... http://tinyurl.com/yh5zx3t does that look right ?

I am looking for a cost effective solution here, and am not sure if
picking the above would be a more expensive option, when I possibly
don't need it.

Next .... PLY !!!!!!!

So, there's a whole heap of stuff under sheet materials, and under Ply,
we have 3 types, hardwood, marine, softwood. I know what marine is, from
this group. Hardwood versus softwood ? Under softwood, we've got "non
structural" and something else. Under hardwood, we have brazilian, far
eastern, bla bla I guess there are various price differences between
the different types !

I don't know what i need ! The outbuilding, will be an occasional use
stable.

I guess hardwood is more expensive, when would you use hardwood versus
softwood.

ALSO !!!!!

Round the other walls, I need to put a kickboard in. 4 ft high round all
brick walls, 12mm ply again. It's purpose: if a pony was to kick, you
don't want it to kick a brick wall, much better to kick a bit of wood
that has some natural give to it, less likely to cause serious injury to
the pony. For attaching this to the brick wall, I was thinking some 2x1
as the framing, it's only job will be to hold the 12mm plywood in place.
Thoughts ? So that's 25mm x 50mm. I don't see any in the treated section
at Jewson, there's 25x50 under Carcassing, 25mm called "sawn batten"???

Back to studs ....
Just noticed under carcassing, dry graded 47mm, there's "Sawn Softwood
Kiln Dried 47.0 x 75mm " would that be an alternative to the treated
wood for the stud partition ?

Jeez it's confusing !

Any help appreciated. I'd like to go into Jewsons with at least some
idea of what I want(?)/need.


Ohhhhh my other worry/though. I think the guy said today that the studs
tend to come in 4.8m lengths. I take it, when working out what I need,
it's better to plan for your studs (and head/sole plates), being in one
piece ?

Thanks.

The cheapest deals come from using what every other builder uses.

As your partition rises to 3m, I'd suggest using 47x95mm studs - a
typical cost would be £1.20 to £1.50 a metre - obviously cheaper the
more you buy.

Standard spec would be "regularised and treated" - this means its been
"hit and miss" planed so no dimension exceeds the spec, that the
corners are rounded off (makes for nicer handling), and it's been rot
treated.

Get 4.8m lengths delivered, and chop them to whatever you need. You'll
easily use up the offcuts for noggins etc.

Typical low-cost sheet materials are structural ply, or OSB3 - both
around £25/sheet for 18mm thick in smallish quantities.

Again, I'd uses the thicker, heavier stuff right the way through - the
cost is marginal, and you'll get the durability against hard knocks.

The only thing I would check - is whether the timber treatment is any
kind of health hazard to animals.

On Feb 5, 4:28*pm, HappyHunter wrote:


Any help appreciated. I'd like to go into Jewsons with at least some
idea of what I want(?)/need.

Ohhhhh my other worry/though. I think the guy said today that the studs
tend to come in 4.8m lengths. I take it, when working out what I need,
it's better to plan for your studs (and head/sole plates), being in one
piece ?

semi-necessary. You can screw offcuts together, but its quite a bit
better to use continuous lengths.

if its inside, on a raised floor, and doesnt get wetted often then KD
whitewood's fine, and the cheapest. No need for planing / treating /
CLS / ALS. If you want to go even cheaper and dont worry about looks
you could use warped timber from an auction. If youre really brassic
you can use scrap offcuts screwed together.

Timber size? Its like asking how long's string. Anything from 2x4 even
down to 2x2 if you must. Don't forget that with 2x2 your skin timber
will add a little to the strength.

Skin? Ply, OSB or green chipboard. Ply type? If its to resist wetting,
shuttering ply. If it never gets wet, the cheapest will do. Chip's
much cheaper than ply.

Stud spacing? If money's tight you can go for 2' spacing instead of
16".

2x1's fine for lining. Treated as it'll get wet. No need to be planed.


NT

On Feb 5, 8:31*pm, John Rumm wrote:
HappyHunter wrote:

Studs certainly - since your wall is changing height, you will have to
work out the best lengths to by to efficient use. Remember the offcuts
can go towards noggings.

undersized scrap can too, if you need to be tight with what you buy


NT

On Feb 5, 4:28 pm, HappyHunter wrote:

By the way, Jewsons is my ONLY choice, they are the ONLY people that
deliver here.

Don;t let that stop you from getting comparable quotes from their
competitors to haggle a bit with.

Even if they already know they are your only option....let them know
you know how much they are shaftin you - practise the whistling intake
of breath so beloved of the profeshunals....enjoy :)

Cheers
JimK

A pack of "tile batten" it probably a reasonable choice - its cheap,
regular sized, and treated.


Remember you don't want horses nibbling tile batten or other aggressively
treated stuff (but fine to use as long as they can't get at it)

On Feb 6, 10:08*am, JimK wrote:
On Feb 5, 4:28 pm, HappyHunter wrote:



By the way, Jewsons is my ONLY choice, they are the ONLY people that
deliver here.

Don;t let that stop you from getting comparable quotes from their
competitors to haggle a bit with.

Even if they already know they are your only option....let them know
you know how much they are shaftin you - practise the whistling intake
of breath so beloved of the profeshunals....enjoy :)

Cheers
JimK

I missed that bit. There's a seller on ebay that does or did £200 of
green oak much cheaper than jewsons softwood. His choice of sizes.


NT