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A bit late to ask because I've just finished sawing up about half a ton! However there is another ton to come. What's leylandii like as a fuel (open fire, and/or wood burner)? I'm not intending using it until next winter. Cheers John |
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John L wrote: A bit late to ask because I've just finished sawing up about half a ton! However there is another ton to come. What's leylandii like as a fuel (open fire, and/or wood burner)? Open fire - awful - it spits, like most conifers. Wood burner - no problem. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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John L wrote:
Cross-posted to DIY and to Gardening: A bit late to ask because I've just finished sawing up about half a ton! However there is another ton to come. What's leylandii like as a fuel (open fire, and/or wood burner)? I'm not intending using it until next winter. Cheers John geat for bonfires, even when freshly cut, huge high flames, not very eco though. [g] |
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On 27 Jan, 20:01, "george [dicegeorge]"
wrote: What's leylandii like as a fuel (open fire, and/or wood burner)? geat for bonfires, even when freshly cut, I'll tell you a tale about that. I felled 6 leylandii whilst on leave once. The day I was supposed to be rejoining the ship I spent the morning burning the last of the branches. I was in a hurry, and threw a big pile on the fire, from which the volatiles were obviously evaporating. I then threw a second bundle on, which disturbed the equilibrium and caused the vapour to ignite. There was a huge fireball - a flash burn - that lasted a second or so, and when it was over my glasses were irretrevabley frosted and all my hair and beard had burned off. I was otherwise unharmed, although the smell of burning hair inside my nose persisted for a week. I had to go straight to the ship with a slightly pink face and no hair of any sort. |
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On 29 Jan, 07:51, bobharvey wrote:
There was a huge fireball - a flash burn - I posted the E-type Jag story ages ago... |
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bobharvey wrote:
On 27 Jan, 20:01, "george [dicegeorge]" wrote: What's leylandii like as a fuel (open fire, and/or wood burner)? geat for bonfires, even when freshly cut, I'll tell you a tale about that. I felled 6 leylandii whilst on leave once. The day I was supposed to be rejoining the ship I spent the morning burning the last of the branches. I was in a hurry, and threw a big pile on the fire, from which the volatiles were obviously evaporating. I then threw a second bundle on, which disturbed the equilibrium and caused the vapour to ignite. There was a huge fireball - a flash burn - that lasted a second or so, and when it was over my glasses were irretrevabley frosted and all my hair and beard had burned off. I was otherwise unharmed, although the smell of burning hair inside my nose persisted for a week. I had to go straight to the ship with a slightly pink face and no hair of any sort. That'll teach you not to garden au naturelle... -- Rusty |
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george [dicegeorge] wrote:
John L wrote: Cross-posted to DIY and to Gardening: A bit late to ask because I've just finished sawing up about half a ton! However there is another ton to come. What's leylandii like as a fuel (open fire, and/or wood burner)? I'm not intending using it until next winter. Cheers John geat for bonfires, even when freshly cut, huge high flames, not very eco though. [g] Carbon neutral. If you discount the stored carbon in the roots, that is. -- Rusty |
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On 29/01/2010 14:49, Rusty Hinge wrote:
george [dicegeorge] wrote: John L wrote: Cross-posted to DIY and to Gardening: A bit late to ask because I've just finished sawing up about half a ton! However there is another ton to come. What's leylandii like as a fuel (open fire, and/or wood burner)? I'm not intending using it until next winter. Cheers John geat for bonfires, even when freshly cut, huge high flames, not very eco though. [g] Carbon neutral. If you discount the stored carbon in the roots, that is. Nah. The roots decay and give off the same CO2 as if you burnt them. -- Tim "That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" Bill of Rights 1689 |
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Tim Streater wrote:
On 29/01/2010 14:49, Rusty Hinge wrote: Carbon neutral. If you discount the stored carbon in the roots, that is. Nah. The roots decay and give off the same CO2 as if you burnt them. Takes a long time. Meantime, several generations of privet have come and gone. Forestry, with the mature timber used and the stumps left in are a great combination for absorbing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and storing it. True, the stumps and roots rot, releasing some of the farandaway even Shed worserer /Shed glasshouse (non-green) gas, methinks, methane. TAAAW, I don't send paper for recycling - mature conifers are largely carbon neutral, and sometimes worse. Young conifers OTOH, absorb copious quantities of carbon dioxide as they grow. So, paper is turned into fuel, which is, again, carbon neutral, if you discount the energy which went into its manufacture. -- Rusty |
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On 27 Jan, 19:22, John L wrote:
What's leylandii like as a fuel (open fire, and/or wood burner)? Great, possibly too great. It's very resinous, so it burns like crazy. Make sure you're capable of burning it safely. If you've burning logs, dry them a year first, then do it in something with a lid. They can go off like a grenade when green. Efficient burning needs a Norwegian box stove, with enough secondary combustion chamber to cope with burning the producer gas from conifers. It's also likely to coat your flue with tars and creosote. |
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In message
, Andy Dingley writes Efficient burning needs a Norwegian box stove, with enough secondary combustion chamber to cope with burning the producer gas from conifers. It's also likely to coat your flue with tars and creosote. Chimney fire material. -- Clint Sharp |
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In uk.rec.gardening Clint Sharp wrote:
In message , Andy Dingley writes Efficient burning needs a Norwegian box stove, with enough secondary combustion chamber to cope with burning the producer gas from conifers. It's also likely to coat your flue with tars and creosote. Chimney fire material. Only if it's not properly dried before burning and that applies to *any* wood you burn. Tar/creosote is produced by burning wood of *any* sort with high water content. -- Chris Green |
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"Clint Sharp" wrote in message ... In message , Andy Dingley writes Efficient burning needs a Norwegian box stove, with enough secondary combustion chamber to cope with burning the producer gas from conifers. It's also likely to coat your flue with tars and creosote. Chimney fire material. Like all wood Leylandi needs seasoning well before burning. I try to never burn anything under two years old, and have burned a lot of Leylandi over the years. It's not good firewood, but hey when its free I'll burn it. If you need the damper far enough open that sparks can fly out then that's a sure sign that the wood inside is not ready to be burnt. Another sure sign that you are burning wood too early is when the glass in the door tars up. I have often been asked how we clean the glass in ours and the answer is that we don't. It stays clear when burning well seasoned wood. See http://share.ovi.com/media/Muddymike...uddymike.10666 Mike |
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Andy Dingley wrote:
On 27 Jan, 19:22, John L wrote: What's leylandii like as a fuel (open fire, and/or wood burner)? Great, possibly too great. It's very resinous, so it burns like crazy. Make sure you're capable of burning it safely. If you've burning logs, dry them a year first, then do it in something with a lid. They can go off like a grenade when green. Efficient burning needs a Norwegian box stove, with enough secondary combustion chamber to cope with burning the producer gas from conifers. It's also likely to coat your flue with tars and creosote. Only if you burn the wood green. -- Rusty |
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On Jan 27, 7:22*pm, John L wrote:
Cross-posted to DIY and to Gardening: A bit late to ask because I've just finished sawing up about half a ton! However there is another ton to come. What's leylandii like as a fuel (open fire, and/or wood burner)? I'm not intending using it until next winter. Cheers John if its a few inches across, better option: http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...Leylandii_Wood NT |
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Cross-posted to DIY and to Gardening: A bit late to ask because I've just finished sawing up about half a ton! However there is another ton to come. What's leylandii like as a fuel (open fire, and/or wood burner)? the foliage is almost explosive. Be VERY careful not to get a chimney fire. The rest is just sappy pine wood - lots of oils that burn, but once dry many go. I'm not intending using it until next winter. Cheers John |
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John L writes: Cross-posted to DIY and to Gardening: A bit late to ask because I've just finished sawing up about half a ton! However there is another ton to come. What's leylandii like as a fuel (open fire, and/or wood burner)? I'm not intending using it until next winter. A friend burned a very large pile of Leylandii clippings. Brilliant bonfire, followed by a sodding great insurance claim to have various neighbours' cars repainted, including one brand new one. The ash destroys modern car paintwork. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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"John L" wrote in message ... Cross-posted to DIY and to Gardening: A bit late to ask because I've just finished sawing up about half a ton! However there is another ton to come. What's leylandii like as a fuel (open fire, and/or wood burner)? I'm not intending using it until next winter. Absolutely not. It's full of resin or some sort of stuff that spits like crazy which is dangerous in an open fire. I have a woodburner and I don't even use conifer wood in that - it can spit out of the dampers on the front even if open a half inch and set the carpet on fire whilst you are out of the room for a few minutes. So my advice is don't use it for fuel in your house. The foliage makes a good starter for a bonfire even when green but stand well back if you don't want to lose your eyebrows.. Tina Tina |
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Christina Websell wrote:
"John L" wrote in message ... Cross-posted to DIY and to Gardening: A bit late to ask because I've just finished sawing up about half a ton! However there is another ton to come. What's leylandii like as a fuel (open fire, and/or wood burner)? I'm not intending using it until next winter. Absolutely not. Give another year, under some sort of cover. It's full of resin or some sort of stuff that spits like crazy which is dangerous in an open fire. Only when green, and IME,green Leylandii doesn't spit much anyway. I have a woodburner and I don't even use conifer wood in that - it can spit out of the dampers on the front even if open a half inch and set the carpet on fire whilst you are out of the room for a few minutes. So my advice is don't use it for fuel in your house. My house is heated almost exclusively with wood fires, and I have never experienced those problems. The foliage makes a good starter for a bonfire even when green but stand well back if you don't want to lose your eyebrows.. -- Rusty |
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"John L" wrote in message ... Cross-posted to DIY and to Gardening: A bit late to ask because I've just finished sawing up about half a ton! However there is another ton to come. What's leylandii like as a fuel (open fire, and/or wood burner)? I'm not intending using it until next winter. Cheers John Getting the green stuff off theboughs is a real pain - hardly worth the effort for theamount of useable timber available. The green fronds burn ferociously and care is needed. As for the logs, can't say as I've never used them for house heating. On a garden fire the logs do not burn very well at all. Bill |
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Bill Grey wrote:
"John L" wrote in message ... Cross-posted to DIY and to Gardening: A bit late to ask because I've just finished sawing up about half a ton! However there is another ton to come. What's leylandii like as a fuel (open fire, and/or wood burner)? I'm not intending using it until next winter. Cheers John Getting the green stuff off theboughs is a real pain - hardly worth the effort for theamount of useable timber available. The green fronds burn ferociously and care is needed. As for the logs, can't say as I've never used them for house heating. On a garden fire the logs do not burn very well at all. They do when dry, I once burned a stump out that way., After a couple of years. The key is that conifers are nowt special, except the sap contains tars and resins that will in combinatiuo9n with water, spit like **** and carry tars up in the smoke. Once dry, without the water, they burn just fine. after all, ordinary constructin timber is coniferous. Bill |
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In uk.d-i-y Bill Grey wrote:
"John L" wrote in message ... Cross-posted to DIY and to Gardening: A bit late to ask because I've just finished sawing up about half a ton! However there is another ton to come. What's leylandii like as a fuel (open fire, and/or wood burner)? I'm not intending using it until next winter. Cheers John Getting the green stuff off theboughs is a real pain - hardly worth the effort for theamount of useable timber available. The green fronds burn ferociously and care is needed. As for the logs, can't say as I've never used them for house heating. On a garden fire the logs do not burn very well at all. Leylandii is pretty good wood for burning as long as it's well seasoned. All the complaints about it posted here indicate that it hasn't been dried well enough. We have been felling a row of *big* Leylandii at our house over the past ten years and burning them on our wood burner with no problems. They need to be stored for a good twelve months before burning though. Leylandii is *much* better than pine and other similar softwood for burning, although it is technically a softwood it doesn't really behave like one, it's much denser and tougher. -- Chris Green |
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What's leylandii like as a fuel (open fire, and/or wood burner)? Fine for wood burner as others have said. |
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"Steve Firth" wrote in message .. . John L wrote: What's leylandii like as a fuel (open fire, and/or wood burner)? Fine for wood burner as others have said. I would say be very careful, I would not describe it as "fine" for a woodburner if you have a sliding damper on the front of your stove. It will spit out of it across the room, in my experience. I tried conifer wood once, I'm glad I was not out for a few hours, it sparked out from the tiny hole in the damper and set my carpet on fire when I was upstairs. Never again. Tina |
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Christina Websell wrote:
I would say be very careful, I would not describe it as "fine" for a woodburner if you have a sliding damper on the front of your stove. It will spit out of it across the room, in my experience. I burn leylandii in a wood burner without problems. The woodburner has a sliding damper on the front. Since the damper is within an anclosure that is made of the same steel as the woodburner it is hard to see how it could be "spit out of it across the room". I tried conifer wood once, I'm glad I was not out for a few hours, it sparked out from the tiny hole in the damper and set my carpet on fire when I was upstairs. Never again. Yew is a conifer. |
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Steve Firth wrote:
Christina Websell wrote: I would say be very careful, I would not describe it as "fine" for a woodburner if you have a sliding damper on the front of your stove. It will spit out of it across the room, in my experience. I burn leylandii in a wood burner without problems. The woodburner has a sliding damper on the front. Since the damper is within an anclosure that is made of the same steel as the woodburner it is hard to see how it could be "spit out of it across the room". "spit out of it" is not the same as "spit it out" It's the burning wood that spits out. |
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Steve Firth wrote:
Christina Websell wrote: I would say be very careful, I would not describe it as "fine" for a woodburner if you have a sliding damper on the front of your stove. It will spit out of it across the room, in my experience. I burn leylandii in a wood burner without problems. The woodburner has a sliding damper on the front. Since the damper is within an anclosure that is made of the same steel as the woodburner it is hard to see how it could be "spit out of it across the room". I tried conifer wood once, I'm glad I was not out for a few hours, it sparked out from the tiny hole in the damper and set my carpet on fire when I was upstairs. Never again. Yew is a conifer. I suppose it might be...at that. I burn lots of coniferous stuff. builidng wopod scraps, douglas fir, scots pine, odd bits of spruce. once dry its not the worst spitter in the world by a long chalk. Willow and polar just as bad if not worse. |
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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... I suppose it might be...at that. I burn lots of coniferous stuff. builidng wopod scraps, douglas fir, scots pine, odd bits of spruce. once dry its not the worst spitter in the world by a long chalk. Willow and polar just as bad if not worse. Polar is not good agreed (:-) Pete |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I burn lots of coniferous stuff. builidng wopod scraps, douglas fir, scots pine, odd bits of spruce. once dry its not the worst spitter in the world by a long chalk. Willow and polar just as bad if not worse. I've never known poplar to spit. Willow can be quite lively though. (Matches are usually made of poplar) -- Rusty |
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Yew is a conifer. And burns like asbestos... -- Rusty |
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"Rusty Hinge" wrote in message ... Steve Firth wrote: Yew is a conifer. And burns like asbestos... -- Rusty I have a 10ft long 15 to 20 inch diameter yew trunk I scavenged from the woods next door when they were cleared last year. Still debating whether to cut it up for logs or offer it to a wood turner. Yew does make for a very good fire. Mike |
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"Steve Firth" wrote in message . .. Christina Websell wrote: I would say be very careful, I would not describe it as "fine" for a woodburner if you have a sliding damper on the front of your stove. It will spit out of it across the room, in my experience. I burn leylandii in a wood burner without problems. The woodburner has a sliding damper on the front. Since the damper is within an anclosure that is made of the same steel as the woodburner it is hard to see how it could be "spit out of it across the room". My dampers do not have an enclosure so if they are open they are open to the room, if you see what I mean: therefore if I have spitting wood, it can and does come out of the damper. I tried conifer wood once, I'm glad I was not out for a few hours, it sparked out from the tiny hole in the damper and set my carpet on fire when I was upstairs. Never again. Yew is a conifer. OK. Point taken. I should have phrased it better. Far be it from me to put anyone off burning leylandii if they want to, I just thought I'd share my experience of it so the OP could make an informed decision. Tina |
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John L wrote:
Cross-posted to DIY and to Gardening: A bit late to ask because I've just finished sawing up about half a ton! However there is another ton to come. What's leylandii like as a fuel (open fire, and/or wood burner)? I'm not intending using it until next winter. Fine. Most cypress is, though some can spit. I've never had that problem with Leyland cypress though. -- Rusty |
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