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Dear All,
As you know global warming is endangering the future of life on the planet. It will also affect us; rising sea levels, dwindling water supplies, mass deaths due to heat waves, stoppage of the gulfstream, which brings milder climate to north of Europe, super hurricanes, less food due to droughts are some of the effects. As you also know global warming is produced due to CO2 emissions coming from burning of fossil fuels. So what can every single person do to reduce global warming ? 1) Insulation: Do you know that you can save 50% of heating energy (and money) by insulation ? Especially in the times the financial crisis, you can make the insulation cheaper and save the money when oil, natural gas and coal prices are higher due to higher demand. What needs to be insulated ? Firstly the Roof, since warmer air goes up, then the windows (tripple glass or at least dual glass and shutters for additional insulation at night, and in summer time), then the outer walls. Also small cracks, leaks in weatherstrips etc should be eliminated. An infrared inspection of your house for heat losses would be the best way to find out what else can be done. A wintergarden will help heating your house additionally in winter time. 2) Using rechargable batteries instead of alkaline batteries, and charge them during less demand ours like at night will also save a lot of energy and money. 3) Lightning; the use of Compact fluorescent lamps instead of traditioanl light bulbs will save 80% of energy, the use of very new LED lamps will save even more. 4) Buying local. Most of the energy is spent for transportation of imported goods, especially food. By buying local made food you not only save a lot of energy, but also create more jobs at home. 5) Heating; there are several way to save energy and money by changing the heating method; you can use the free heat of the nature by adding a solar thermal equipment to heat the water for taking showers and also to heat your home. Additionally you can use a heating pump, which funtions like a reverse fridge; it takes the heat of the outside and transfers it to your home. You use much much less energy to do this (electricity to pump a liquid). 6) Your car; by buying a hybrid car you save 30% of fuel, by converting your car to CNG (compressed natural gas) you can save a lot of CO2, since CNG has much less carbon but more hydrogen, which will result in water (CH4 instead of C8H18). CNG will also result in much more energy output per mass. The conversion is not very expensive. It is totally save, since the storage has to resist a certain pressure. Of course there are also other smaller things you have to consider: - Each 60 pounds increases fuel consumption by 10%. - Aggressive driving (speeding, rapid acceleration, and hard braking) wastes gas. It can lower your highway gas mileage 33% and city mileage 5%. - Drive at lowest and constant rpms; 2000 rpm are enough; you can save up to 30%. Even a Porsche can be driven at the 4th gear at 20 mph and at the 6th gear at 50 mph with 2.5 times less fuel consumption. - Avoid high speeds. Driving 75 mph, rather than 65 mph, could cut your fuel economy by 15%. - Use air conditioning only when necessary - Keep tires properly inflated and aligned to improve your gasoline mileage by around 3.3%. - Replace clogged air filters to improve gas mileage by as much as 10% and protect your engine - Combine errands into one trip. Several short trips, each one taken from a cold start, can use twice as much fuel as one trip covering the same distance when the engine is warm. Do not forget that in the first mile your car uses 8 times more fuel, in the second mile 4 times and only after the fourth mile it becomes normal 7) Buying A++ or A+++ equipments. The extra money you pay for this will be back in 1-2 years. It will save a lot of CO2. 8) Try to save also energy at your job; you can do it by insulation, more efficient processes, heat recovery, more efficient pumps/engines, low temperature processses, material saving, water savings, optimization, automatic turning off of unnecessary energy using processes, control if some processes are really necessary (the change of some processes makes other processes sometimes unnecesarry on which nobody has thought about). 9) Solar cells for your own home; at the moment solar cells are very cheap since there is an overproduction. These cells can operate a fridge for example. Regards. |
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On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:01:05 -0800, .. wrote:
So what can every single person do to reduce global warming ? Pop their clogs? You first. 3) Lightning; Run along now, Nikola, there's a good chap... |
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, .. writes Dear All, As you know global warming is endangering the future of life on the planet. It will also affect us; Can I be arsed to seriously reply to this simplistic moron ? Nah -- geoff |
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geoff wrote:
In message , .. writes Dear All, As you know global warming is endangering the future of life on the planet. It will also affect us; Can I be arsed to seriously reply to this simplistic moron ? Nah Well it's the arses of cows that have been partially blamed for it - so you may as well participate with an equal amount of crap!! |
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Unbeleiver wrote:
geoff wrote: In message , .. writes Dear All, As you know global warming is endangering the future of life on the planet. It will also affect us; Can I be arsed to seriously reply to this simplistic moron ? Nah Well it's the arses of cows that have been partially blamed for it - so you may as well participate with an equal amount of crap!! Actually the cows don't fart so much - it comes out of their mouths -- Phil L RSRL Tipster Of The Year 2008 |
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Phil L wrote:
Unbeleiver wrote: geoff wrote: In message , .. writes Dear All, As you know global warming is endangering the future of life on the planet. It will also affect us; Can I be arsed to seriously reply to this simplistic moron ? Nah Well it's the arses of cows that have been partially blamed for it - so you may as well participate with an equal amount of crap!! Actually the cows don't fart so much - it comes out of their mouths Funny that, I thought the scientist agreed that it was the methane given off in the cows crap (or as the Yanks say, cow-chips) was the problem - ah well, they got it wrong again!! I know, it's all that human verbal bull**** that's spouted around. ;-) |
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In message , Unbeleiver
writes Phil L wrote: Unbeleiver wrote: geoff wrote: In message , .. writes Dear All, As you know global warming is endangering the future of life on the planet. It will also affect us; Can I be arsed to seriously reply to this simplistic moron ? Nah Well it's the arses of cows that have been partially blamed for it - so you may as well participate with an equal amount of crap!! Actually the cows don't fart so much - it comes out of their mouths Funny that, I thought the scientist agreed that it was the methane given off in the cows crap (or as the Yanks say, cow-chips) was the problem - ah well, they got it wrong again!! I know, it's all that human verbal bull**** that's spouted around. ;-) Its the bovine belch ... -- geoff |
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geoff wrote:
In message , Unbeleiver writes Phil L wrote: Unbeleiver wrote: geoff wrote: In message , .. writes Dear All, As you know global warming is endangering the future of life on the planet. It will also affect us; Can I be arsed to seriously reply to this simplistic moron ? Nah Well it's the arses of cows that have been partially blamed for it - so you may as well participate with an equal amount of crap!! Actually the cows don't fart so much - it comes out of their mouths Funny that, I thought the scientist agreed that it was the methane given off in the cows crap (or as the Yanks say, cow-chips) was the problem - ah well, they got it wrong again!! I know, it's all that human verbal bull**** that's spouted around. ;-) Its the bovine belch ... Yep about 90% of the methane prodiced by cattle comes out that way. Feeding them high sugar grass reduces the amount and there have been claims for up to 10% reduction for various additives. Garlic oil is supposed to be very effective. Colin Bignell |
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The best answer I heard yesterday on the Beeb, was to airdrop condoms to
every undeveloped part of the world, including toxteth, and tax children. |
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On 17 Dec, 12:36, The Natural Philosopher
wrote: The Beeb, was to airdrop condoms to every undeveloped part of the world, including toxteth, and tax children. Where is tax children? Or do you mean tax shelters? |
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Weatherlawyer wrote:
On 17 Dec, 12:36, The Natural Philosopher wrote: The Beeb, was to airdrop condoms to every undeveloped part of the world, including toxteth, and tax children. Where is tax children? Or do you mean tax shelters? ISTM that TNP meant that the Government should stop throwing our money at parents and penalise them for having children instead. ie tax their self-indulgent lifestyle choice rather than heavily subsidising it. |
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On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:47:38 -0000, "Unbeleiver"
wrote: geoff wrote: In message , .. writes Dear All, As you know global warming is endangering the future of life on the planet. It will also affect us; Can I be arsed to seriously reply to this simplistic moron ? Nah Well it's the arses of cows that have been partially blamed for it - so you may as well participate with an equal amount of crap!! What I find odd is that the "Touchy-Feely Huggers" are quick to spout on at some length about cattle belching and farting us to an impending doom and so must all be killed and we should desist from eating them, but mention the several millions of Wildebeest, Zebras etc, farting and belching their way across Africa on their annual tour, the mere mention of knocking them off as well brings on a look as if you had farted in the Queens face. The same terminally dim clique would also react with complete horror if you suggested that the African tribesmen should do away with their cattle as well and just eat cornmeal. That would be classed as racist and interfering in a culture resulting from thousands of years of habit. |
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Old Git wrote:
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:47:38 -0000, "Unbeleiver" wrote: geoff wrote: In message , .. writes Dear All, As you know global warming is endangering the future of life on the planet. It will also affect us; Can I be arsed to seriously reply to this simplistic moron ? Nah Well it's the arses of cows that have been partially blamed for it - so you may as well participate with an equal amount of crap!! What I find odd is that the "Touchy-Feely Huggers" are quick to spout on at some length about cattle belching and farting us to an impending doom and so must all be killed and we should desist from eating them, but mention the several millions of Wildebeest, Zebras etc, farting and belching their way across Africa on their annual tour, the mere mention of knocking them off as well brings on a look as if you had farted in the Queens face. The same terminally dim clique would also react with complete horror if you suggested that the African tribesmen should do away with their cattle as well and just eat cornmeal. That would be classed as racist and interfering in a culture resulting from thousands of years of habit. What would they do if they saw and endangered species eating an endangered plant? -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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Roger Chapman wrote:
Weatherlawyer wrote: On 17 Dec, 12:36, The Natural Philosopher wrote: The Beeb, was to airdrop condoms to every undeveloped part of the world, including toxteth, and tax children. Where is tax children? Or do you mean tax shelters? ISTM that TNP meant that the Government should stop throwing our money at parents and penalise them for having children instead. ie tax their self-indulgent lifestyle choice rather than heavily subsidising it. Do we assume you have never reproduced then? -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message m... Old Git wrote: On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:47:38 -0000, "Unbeleiver" wrote: geoff wrote: In message , .. writes Dear All, As you know global warming is endangering the future of life on the planet. It will also affect us; Can I be arsed to seriously reply to this simplistic moron ? Nah Well it's the arses of cows that have been partially blamed for it - so you may as well participate with an equal amount of crap!! What I find odd is that the "Touchy-Feely Huggers" are quick to spout on at some length about cattle belching and farting us to an impending doom and so must all be killed and we should desist from eating them, but mention the several millions of Wildebeest, Zebras etc, farting and belching their way across Africa on their annual tour, the mere mention of knocking them off as well brings on a look as if you had farted in the Queens face. The same terminally dim clique would also react with complete horror if you suggested that the African tribesmen should do away with their cattle as well and just eat cornmeal. That would be classed as racist and interfering in a culture resulting from thousands of years of habit. What would they do if they saw and endangered species eating an endangered plant? -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk Well Prince Phillip would shoot them both. Adam |
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Weatherlawyer wrote:
On 17 Dec, 12:36, The Natural Philosopher wrote: The Beeb, was to airdrop condoms to every undeveloped part of the world, including toxteth, and tax children. Where is tax children? Or do you mean tax shelters? The comma makes it all clear to people to whom English is their first language. |
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The Medway Handyman wrote:
Roger Chapman wrote: Weatherlawyer wrote: On 17 Dec, 12:36, The Natural Philosopher wrote: The Beeb, was to airdrop condoms to every undeveloped part of the world, including toxteth, and tax children. Where is tax children? Or do you mean tax shelters? ISTM that TNP meant that the Government should stop throwing our money at parents and penalise them for having children instead. ie tax their self-indulgent lifestyle choice rather than heavily subsidising it. Do we assume you have never reproduced then? Not quite, no. |
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Nightjar "cpb"@ insertmysurnamehere wrote:
Yep about 90% of the methane prodiced by cattle comes out that way. Feeding them high sugar grass reduces the amount and there have been claims for up to 10% reduction for various additives. Garlic oil is supposed to be very effective. You don't seriously expect us to believe that we can fix global warming by putting flavour in the silage? Andy BTW Zebras aren't an issue, they don't have the same stomach. |
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Andy Champ wrote:
Nightjar "cpb"@ insertmysurnamehere wrote: Yep about 90% of the methane prodiced by cattle comes out that way. Feeding them high sugar grass reduces the amount and there have been claims for up to 10% reduction for various additives. Garlic oil is supposed to be very effective. You don't seriously expect us to believe that we can fix global warming by putting flavour in the silage? I am merely reporting the status of current research. You can believe what you like. Colin Bignell |
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On Dec 17, 4:54*pm, Old Git
wrote: On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:47:38 -0000, "Unbeleiver" wrote: geoff wrote: In message , .. writes Dear All, As you know global warming is endangering the future of life on the planet. It will also affect us; Can I be arsed to seriously reply to this simplistic moron ? Nah Well it's the arses of cows that have been partially blamed for it - so you may as well participate with an equal amount of crap!! What I find odd is that the "Touchy-Feely Huggers" are quick to spout on at some length about cattle belching and farting us to an impending doom and so must all be killed and we should desist from eating them, but mention the several millions of Wildebeest, Zebras etc, farting and belching their way across Africa on their annual tour, Or the millions of bison the preceded the cattle. MBQ |
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Man at B&Q wrote:
On Dec 17, 4:54 pm, Old Git wrote: On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:47:38 -0000, "Unbeleiver" wrote: geoff wrote: In message , .. writes Dear All, As you know global warming is endangering the future of life on the planet. It will also affect us; Can I be arsed to seriously reply to this simplistic moron ? Nah Well it's the arses of cows that have been partially blamed for it - so you may as well participate with an equal amount of crap!! What I find odd is that the "Touchy-Feely Huggers" are quick to spout on at some length about cattle belching and farting us to an impending doom and so must all be killed and we should desist from eating them, but mention the several millions of Wildebeest, Zebras etc, farting and belching their way across Africa on their annual tour, Or the millions of bison the preceded the cattle. MBQ I am not sure that browsers as opposed to grazers, fart that much. Gorillas apparently, do, lots. |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
snip Well it's the arses of cows that have been partially blamed for it - so you may as well participate with an equal amount of crap!! What I find odd is that the "Touchy-Feely Huggers" are quick to spout on at some length about cattle belching and farting us to an impending doom and so must all be killed and we should desist from eating them, but mention the several millions of Wildebeest, Zebras etc, farting and belching their way across Africa on their annual tour, Or the millions of bison the preceded the cattle. MBQ I am not sure that browsers as opposed to grazers, fart that much. Well bison are ruminants like sheep and cattle unlike horses and their close cousins zebras. Gorillas apparently, do, lots. So do vegetarians. :-) |
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On 17 Dec, 15:34, Roger Chapman wrote:
ISTM that TNP meant that the Government should stop throwing our money at parents and penalise them for having children instead. ie tax their self-indulgent lifestyle choice rather than heavily subsidising it. Great idea. You don't even have to tax them, just not subsidise Only problem is that child poverty _is_ recognised as being one of the worst causes of assorted chavdom in the next batch. So find a way to avoid financial encouragement of over-breeding, whilst (recognising that there are still going to be _some_ kids) not penalising those that do happen along anyway. You _could_ do this by increased nanny-statism and checking whether the Child Benefit is going on Stella (bad) or claret (not going to say a word against that). But the "they only breed to get more dole" viewpoint is rarely going to coincide with that approach. |
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6) Your car; by buying a hybrid car you save 30% of fuel, by converting your car to CNG (compressed natural gas) Anyone ever seen a CNG car? 9) Solar cells for your own home; at the moment solar cells are very cheap since there is an overproduction. These cells * *can operate a fridge for example. Oh FFS. Do the numbers. |
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Andy Dingley wrote:
On 17 Dec, 15:34, Roger Chapman wrote: ISTM that TNP meant that the Government should stop throwing our money at parents and penalise them for having children instead. ie tax their self-indulgent lifestyle choice rather than heavily subsidising it. Great idea. You don't even have to tax them, just not subsidise Only problem is that child poverty _is_ recognised as being one of the worst causes of assorted chavdom in the next batch. So take them into care. And prosecute the mothers for neglect. They wont be spreading their legs to make babies in Holloway. |
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Andy Dingley wrote:
6) Your car; by buying a hybrid car you save 30% of fuel, by converting your car to CNG (compressed natural gas) Anyone ever seen a CNG car? several. Use more carbon than normal ones. But tax on LPG is cheaper.. 9) Solar cells for your own home; at the moment solar cells are very cheap since there is an overproduction. These cells can operate a fridge for example. Oh FFS. Do the numbers. He can't, Andy. |
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Man at B&Q wrote:
Or the millions of bison the preceded the cattle. We're in Africa for this discussion. No bison. You do get buffalo though. Andy -- Now wash your hands .. |
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By James Delingpole Politics
December 18th, 2009 Why would a Middle Eastern kingdom be funding a British Climate research business? Oman has just completed a massive investment in LNG, and developed and installed new CO2 removal technology in their process; this lowers the carbon footprint of their gas. So using their gas to drive electricity generation will be less costly once CO2 is taxed. They have no problem with this whole thing. Saudi Arabia, who have oil and not so much gas, are in a different position, they have a problem with this whole thing. Just an observation; a 4 degree rise in temperature in the Sultanate of Oman or Saudi Arabia would change it from really hot to really hot. Maybe it is just good business. http://www.omanlng.com/ Oman LNG L.L.C Formed: Set up by Royal Decree in February 1994. Location: Head office: Muscat; Plant: Qalhat near Sur (approx 340 km from Muscat) Products: Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG). Shareholders: Government of Oman 51 %, Royal Dutch/Shell Group 30%, Total Elf Fina 5.54%, KOLNG 5%, Partex 2% Mitsubishi 2.77%, Mitsui 2.77%, ltochu 0.92%. The Climate Research Unit (CRU) in the UK was set up in 1971 with funding from Shell and BP as is described in the book: “The history of the University of East Anglia, Norwich; Page 285)” By Michael Sanderson. The CRU was still being funded in 2008 by Shell, BP, the Nuclear Installations Inspectorate and UK Nirex LTD (the nuclear waste people in the UK) This is important to know, for two reasons. Firstly, the key institution providing support for Global Warming theories and the basis for the IPCC findings receives funding from “Big Oil” and the nuclear power industry. Secondly, the research from the institution which is perceived to be independent publicly funded research, is actually beholden to soft money, CRU is in fact a business. The funders of the CRU are on the bottom of this page from their website: http://web.archive.org/web/20080627194858/ http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/about/history/ So, there a business set up in the early 1970’s, so what? I thought that this might explain a bit about how we got to where we are. I am not a conspiracy theorist but to me it looks like this may have been a very, very long term plan. Of course it could all just be coincidental, but it does seem to fit the observable information. A few weeks ago I explained the apparent CRU fraud to a friend of mine, a believer in AGW; he said ‘Why would they do it?’ I indicated the Jones had received 22 million, etc, but he countered, ‘For a fraud this large, going on for this long, there would have to be billions of dollars to be made, not millions’. That made sense. So I looked into it a bit. First this is no short term thing, it covers two or three decades, involves many countries and government on both sides of the isle, the US alone has had 4 different presidents and the UK a similar number of prime ministers, Canada the same. So is it not political in the partisan sense of the word. If, and this is a big if, you make the assumption that the objectives we 1. Provide a smooth replacement of the use of oil in power generation and transportation, so as to avoid a panic over Peak Oil. 2. Get people to buy into Nuclear Power so that base load electrical power generation would not consume the available fossil fuel supply. 3. Get the people to really want to pay for it all. Note: The IEA put a date on peak oil production THIS WEEK, so if the CO2 scare does not pan out they are already starting to put the ‘Peak Oil’ story into play. It is also the 2020 date, why am I not surprised. http://www.economist.com/businessfin...ry_id=15065719 Then the following is not unbelievable. The newer scrubber technology for coal fired plants was moving along well back then, and in fact today their scrubbers can remove pretty much everything except CO2. However there is really not much money in coal, it is abundant, easy to handle, local in most instance to the base load demand for electricity, and a coal fired power plant is not much more complicated, or expensive, than a good steam engine. Since there was not enough money in coal it would not be financially rewarding to simply try to promote coal as a replacement for oil. So they looked at the situation and realized that the difference between the different technologies to replace base load power generation was the amount of CO2 per kilowatt/hour. At that point CO2 became the target. That happened sometime between 1985 and 1988. Now, the environmental movement is comprised mostly of followers, you can look up ‘dihydrogen monoxide’ (water), on many occasions at environmental conferences comedians and light news organizations have managed to get lots of environmentalists to sign a petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide. So apparently they do not do a lot of independent analysis before making a conclusion, they are mostly followers. So if you need a large number of followers, there is a ready supply, but you need people, a few leaders, to tell the followers what to think. The followers do not need to, or perhaps even want to, know the reason or the facts; they just need something or someone to follow. Now you gain control of a climate research business, and begin the task of demonizing CO2, you realize that it will take years but that is OK, there are billions of dollars waiting at the end. Slowly over time you manage to get control of the worlds climate data and begin adjusting it, you use what you have been told by the marketing people to present the information needed in as clear and scary manager as is possible. Remember the two biggest motivators are fear and greed, and in this case, because of the number of followers greed will not work. There are simply too many followers to pay them all off. So there we have it, a campaign of fear, based on non- science emanating from a few leaders that ultimately drive the followers to do something that would just not have been possible after Three Mile Island. They are marching in the streets of Copenhagen in support of nuclear power. They do not know this of course, but that is what the plan on the table says. Check it out, look at exactly what are the big technologies being pushed at the summit. I will give you a hint, it is not windmills. They are also marching in Copenhagen against big business, while supporting one of the biggest businesses possible, the World Bank. Is it not strange that the Dutch Text looks to have the World Bank control the trillions being put on the table? So they are marching against exactly what they are supporting, they are simply followers. Perhaps you can fill in the blanks between the possible objectives I mentioned earlier and where we find ourselves today. Fill in the blanks, connect the dots and follow the money. Look at the funders, how many are involved in delivery, support, financing and maintenance of the movement of liquid energy and the generation of nuclear power. I do not think this was ever about the environment. There are lots of other things that may tie into this, like GE buying and now selling a TV network, they needed then but do not need it now, a bit of a stretch perhaps but GE is a big player in gas and nuclear power generation. Look around, there are others. That said; I do believe that the world does need to move to nuclear power for base load power generation, and I do believe that the Peak Oil problem is a real threat to stability. So I agree with the objectives and encourage the outcome, I just do not like them messing with the science and trying, nay succeeding, in conning the masses to agree to it all. Perhaps there was someone inside the CRU that felt the same way; the means were wrong regardless of the merits of the objectives, so they let slip the package in the hope that someone could figure out what they could not just come out and say publicly. This thing would not need thousands of scientists to be involved. All that was need was for one or two people in perhaps five or six countries to adjust the raw data. Anyone using the data when making a comparison to CO2 would find the results that had been seeded into the data. The scientists would not be aware that they were being played. They would honestly think that their conclusions were correct. Only none of their predictions would ever be confirmed. All the papers that used the data, and all the papers that used those papers for support, would therefore be invalid. In the vast majority of the cases I would expect that the authors are without blame, they made no mistake. The mistake was encoded into the base data before they even started Only the ones that actually were in control of the raw data and making the ‘adjustments’ needed to know of the exact requirements of the adjustment needed to seed the outcome into the data. When a scientist begins to say things like “the data must be wrong”, or “our monitoring is deficient”, perhaps they might not have been in on the ‘adjustments’ and they are likely frustrated because their model ‘works’ for the past and recent past. Think “We can’t explain the lack of warming”, perhaps the author of that email could not, but perhaps someone else could. It would only have taken a dozen people in just the right places, and remember it took years to pull this off. So who might have put these people in just the right place all those years ago, and why? |
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Global Warming and what you can do to against it
Man at B&Q wrote:
On Dec 17, 4:54 pm, Old Git wrote: On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:47:38 -0000, "Unbeleiver" wrote: geoff wrote: In message , .. writes Dear All, As you know global warming is endangering the future of life on the planet. It will also affect us; Can I be arsed to seriously reply to this simplistic moron ? Nah Well it's the arses of cows that have been partially blamed for it - so you may as well participate with an equal amount of crap!! What I find odd is that the "Touchy-Feely Huggers" are quick to spout on at some length about cattle belching and farting us to an impending doom and so must all be killed and we should desist from eating them, but mention the several millions of Wildebeest, Zebras etc, farting and belching their way across Africa on their annual tour, Or the millions of bison the preceded the cattle. Father in laws (GRHS) favourite joke.... Whats the difference between a Buffalo & a Bison? You can't wash your hands in a Buffalo... -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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