Hi.

Last night, a friend of mine was telling me that they have come up
against a requirement for building regs application to replace their
old oil-fired boiler with a new one. I had no idea that this is
required and I'm a bit concerned because I will soon be changing my
oil-fired system for a gas combi.

Are these building regs effectively not just fire regs, - and are they
not coverered by a (in my case) gas fitter's certificate?

Anyone had any experience of this? Do BR applications now need to be
submitted for ANY changes to a home heating system?

TIA.

H.

AIUI any new or replacement boiler will have to conform to all parts
of the building regs, but particularly Part J, Combustion appliances.

http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/eng...documentslist/

So yes, much more than just Part B, Protection from fire.

Either a building notice to your local building control dept is
required, or an approved person that can certify compliance.

I don't know if your qualifications covers it, but as you're not
familiar with the regs, I guess you don't usually work on installing
domestic gas boilers.

On Dec 3, 10:16*am, John Rumm wrote:
Hawi: wrote:
Last night, a friend of mine was telling me that they have come up
against a requirement for building regs application to replace their
old oil-fired boiler with a new one. I had no idea that this is
required and I'm a bit concerned because I will soon be changing my
oil-fired system for a gas combi.

Are these building regs effectively not just fire regs, - and are they

No, they are more related to efficient use of energy - i.e. political in
nature and nothing that really ought to be part of the building regs.

not coverered by a (in my case) gas fitter's certificate?

IIUC If you are a Gas Safe member then you should be able to self
certify and notify BC via them (possibly for a small token fee).

If you were DIYing an install, but not Gas Safe registered then you
would need to submit a building notice first in theory.

Anyone had any experience of this? Do BR applications now need to be
submitted for ANY changes to a home heating system?

Not any, but quite a few.

(when I changed the boiler in my last place I did not actually become
aware of the need for the building notice until after I had done it!
When I sold the place, and questions were asked about paperwork for the
boiler, I just told them what I had done, and that there was no
completion certificate. Nothing further was said about it)


When mine was replaced recently the installer said the notification
was automatic and would eventually reach my BC file. AIUI the
installer to be gas-safe registered to do it (cue people to explain
why this is not so) and that same registration give syou access to the
database where they notify the change.

Robert

On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 06:04:51 -0800, RobertL wrote:

When mine was replaced recently the installer said the notification
was automatic and would eventually reach my BC file. AIUI the
installer to be gas-safe registered to do it (cue people to explain
why this is not so) and that same registration give syou access to the
database where they notify the change.

Notification isn't automatic to us (Gas Safe Registered installers)
- we have to do it as an explicit bit of work (via interweb or phone) but
we are nevertheless supposed to do so.

--
John Stumbles -- http://yaph.co.uk

It's bad luck to be superstitious.

On 3 Dec 2009 22:58:56 GMT, YAPH wrote:

On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 06:04:51 -0800, RobertL wrote:

When mine was replaced recently the installer said the notification
was automatic and would eventually reach my BC file. AIUI the
installer to be gas-safe registered to do it (cue people to explain
why this is not so) and that same registration give syou access to the
database where they notify the change.

Notification isn't automatic to us (Gas Safe Registered installers)
- we have to do it as an explicit bit of work (via interweb or phone) but
we are nevertheless supposed to do so.

Ahhh. Thanks for that. I'd better make absolutely sure that my guy
follows the process then!

Much appreciated.

On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 00:10:40 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

AIUI any new or replacement boiler will have to conform to all parts
of the building regs, but particularly Part J, Combustion appliances.

http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/eng...documentslist/

So yes, much more than just Part B, Protection from fire.

Either a building notice to your local building control dept is
required, or an approved person that can certify compliance.

I don't know if your qualifications covers it, but as you're not
familiar with the regs, I guess you don't usually work on installing
domestic gas boilers.

Thanks for that. Oh no, I was only going to do the pipework myself and
then get a gas engineer in to connect, test and commission the boiler.
But he hasn't mentioned BR at all. Might he possibly be able to
certify compliance himself? (I can't get hold of him at the moment, to
ask).

Apparently it takes into account the entire heating system, including
compulsory TRVs etc.

A bit more research to do, methinks.

On 3 Dec 2009 22:58:56 GMT, YAPH wrote:

snip

Notification isn't automatic to us (Gas Safe Registered installers)
- we have to do it as an explicit bit of work (via interweb or phone) but
we are nevertheless supposed to do so.

Just out of interest, do you know when changes to heating had be
notified for BR? My friend said that his work was done 4 years ago.

In article ,
"Hawi:" writes:
On 3 Dec 2009 22:58:56 GMT, YAPH wrote:

snip

Notification isn't automatic to us (Gas Safe Registered installers)
- we have to do it as an explicit bit of work (via interweb or phone) but
we are nevertheless supposed to do so.

Just out of interest, do you know when changes to heating had be
notified for BR? My friend said that his work was done 4 years ago.

April 2002 under Part L, which is why I started my heating install
in February 2002. (Although my heating installation conforms with
current regs, I wasn't going to pay someone else to check it.
If it was a free service, I'd be more than happy to use it.)

In practice, the scheme wasn't working until some time well after
this date anyway in many areas (certainly not in Bedfordshire).

--
Andrew Gabriel
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