What the 'kinelll?
 

Working in a local hotel, last renovated in the late 80's, asked to bleed a
rad in one of the rooms;

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...photos/rad.jpg

The tee is plastic, as is the pipe going to the right.

I'm at a loss as to whats going on - needless to say I didn't touch it in
case something leaked.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

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"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
. ..
Working in a local hotel, last renovated in the late 80's, asked to bleed
a rad in one of the rooms;

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...photos/rad.jpg

The tee is plastic, as is the pipe going to the right.

I'm at a loss as to whats going on - needless to say I didn't touch it in
case something leaked.


--
Dave - The Medway Cowboy - avoid at all cost!



That isn't the part you bleed the radiator - that thing is to carry water in
or out of the radiator. They work by hot water flowing through them!
You need to look at the top part of the radiator at the side!

God knows why anyone ever calls you when you need to ask what to
do on this newsgroup. Maybe we will see you on BBC Watchdog
one day. Watch out!

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On Oct 19, 10:17*pm, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
Working in a local hotel, last renovated in the late 80's, asked to bleed a
rad in one of the rooms;

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...photos/rad.jpg

The tee is plastic, as is the pipe going to the right.

I'm at a loss as to whats going on - needless to say I didn't touch it in
case something leaked.

why would plastic plumbing stop you bleeding it?


NT

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In message , The Medway
Handyman writes
Working in a local hotel, last renovated in the late 80's, asked to bleed a
rad in one of the rooms;

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...photos/rad.jpg

The tee is plastic, as is the pipe going to the right.

I'm at a loss as to whats going on

Well, presumably whoever installed it was lacking an elbow at the time
and use the Tee instead. A bit of kludge, but otherwise I don't see the
problem. I plumbed most of the CH in my old house with plastic.

- needless to say I didn't touch it in
case something leaked.

why would you have needed to touch it to bleed it?
--
Chris French

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On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:17:26 +0000, The Medway Handyman wrote:

Working in a local hotel, last renovated in the late 80's, asked to bleed a
rad in one of the rooms;

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...photos/rad.jpg

The tee is plastic, as is the pipe going to the right.

Wonder what's at the other end of that pipe? Maybe someone hit the
original metal pipe with a vacuum or something and bust it - and someone
bodged it with whatever they had handy.

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Roger wrote:
"The Medway Handyman" wrote in
message . ..
Working in a local hotel, last renovated in the late 80's, asked to
bleed a rad in one of the rooms;

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...photos/rad.jpg

The tee is plastic, as is the pipe going to the right.

I'm at a loss as to whats going on - needless to say I didn't touch
it in case something leaked.


--
Dave - The Medway Cowboy - avoid at all cost!



That isn't the part you bleed the radiator - that thing is to carry
water in or out of the radiator. They work by hot water flowing
through them! You need to look at the top part of the radiator at the
side!

God knows why anyone ever calls you when you need to ask what to
do on this newsgroup. Maybe we will see you on BBC Watchdog
one day. Watch out!

Are you trying out for ****wit of the year 2009? You really are the biggest
**** I've ever come across.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

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On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:51:36 +0100, Roger wrote:
That isn't the part you bleed the radiator - that thing is to carry water in
or out of the radiator. They work by hot water flowing through them!
You need to look at the top part of the radiator at the side!

Obviously the photo is upside-down, and is of a radiator mounted high-up
on the wall in a hotel where they happen to like carpeted ceilings.

(sorry, Dave ;)

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John Rumm wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote:

Working in a local hotel, last renovated in the late 80's, asked to
bleed a rad in one of the rooms;

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...photos/rad.jpg

The tee is plastic, as is the pipe going to the right.

I'm at a loss as to whats going on - needless to say I didn't touch
it in case something leaked.

Is there a pipe coming out of the bottom of the Tee?

Nope.

What about the other side of the rad - same arrangement?

No, quite normal.

One possibility is that another rad has been tacked onto and existing
rad feed and return.

Yerbut - in plastic?

Bleeding it ought to be ok, but I understand the desire not to fiddle
with the tail connections! ;-)

It bled OK, I'm just stunned by the plastic tee.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

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NT wrote:
On Oct 19, 10:17 pm, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
Working in a local hotel, last renovated in the late 80's, asked to
bleed a rad in one of the rooms;

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...photos/rad.jpg

The tee is plastic, as is the pipe going to the right.

I'm at a loss as to whats going on - needless to say I didn't touch
it in case something leaked.

why would plastic plumbing stop you bleeding it?

It didn't. I was just amazed by the use of the plastic pipe.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

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chris French wrote:
In message , The Medway
Handyman writes
Working in a local hotel, last renovated in the late 80's, asked to
bleed a rad in one of the rooms;

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...photos/rad.jpg

The tee is plastic, as is the pipe going to the right.

I'm at a loss as to whats going on

Well, presumably whoever installed it was lacking an elbow at the time
and use the Tee instead. A bit of kludge, but otherwise I don't see
the problem. I plumbed most of the CH in my old house with plastic.

- needless to say I didn't touch it in
case something leaked.

why would you have needed to touch it to bleed it?

I didn't. Saying "I was asked to bleed a rad" was simply an attempt to set
the scene, to explain why I was looking at the rad.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

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"NT" wrote in message
...
On Oct 19, 10:17 pm, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
Working in a local hotel, last renovated in the late 80's, asked to bleed
a
rad in one of the rooms;

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...photos/rad.jpg

The tee is plastic, as is the pipe going to the right.

I'm at a loss as to whats going on - needless to say I didn't touch it in
case something leaked.

why would plastic plumbing stop you bleeding it?

to me it looks like there's a 15mm plastic pipe coming thru the wall, a 15mm
plastic tee piece, then some 10mm copper pipe stuck down the tee, and held
in place with a squidge of silicone,

if the tee is not feeding a pipe going through the floor, then it's prolly
blanked off with more silicone,

could be there's silicone blocking the 10mm pipe up, hence why they think it
needs bleeding, could be totally full of air and not blocked, but when bled
the water pressure at the joint could pop the connection open,

which could be what the hotel owner wants, call in a handy man to do a
simple job they could have done them selves, but when the job is done and
the connection pops appart, they can then claim for a flooded hotel, loss of
income and so on.

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gazz wrote:
"NT" wrote in message
...
On Oct 19, 10:17 pm, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
Working in a local hotel, last renovated in the late 80's, asked to
bleed a
rad in one of the rooms;

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...photos/rad.jpg

The tee is plastic, as is the pipe going to the right.

I'm at a loss as to whats going on - needless to say I didn't touch
it in case something leaked.

why would plastic plumbing stop you bleeding it?

to me it looks like there's a 15mm plastic pipe coming thru the wall,
a 15mm plastic tee piece, then some 10mm copper pipe stuck down the
tee, and held in place with a squidge of silicone,

The copper is 15mm, so I guess the plastic is around 22mm - appears to be
overflow pipe.

if the tee is not feeding a pipe going through the floor, then it's
prolly blanked off with more silicone,

Looks that way.

could be there's silicone blocking the 10mm pipe up, hence why they
think it needs bleeding, could be totally full of air and not
blocked, but when bled the water pressure at the joint could pop the
connection open,

It bled OK, I was just curious about the plastic.

which could be what the hotel owner wants, call in a handy man to do a
simple job they could have done them selves, but when the job is done
and the connection pops appart, they can then claim for a flooded
hotel, loss of income and so on.

Regular job, my invoice covers my arse.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

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"chris French" wrote in message

Well, presumably whoever installed it was lacking an elbow at the time and
use the Tee instead. A bit of kludge, but otherwise I don't see the
problem. I plumbed most of the CH in my old house with plastic.

i think it's the non use of a reducer, the overflow type plastic pipe and
fitting, silicone to hold the whole thing in place thing that's more of a
concern, who ever did it is a master bodger that's for sure.

i love the barrier type pipe my self, plumbed 95% of my motorhomes centeral
heating system in with it, but i used the proper connectors, had 4 places
where i had to go to 3/4" car heater hose... connections to and from the
heater, and the connections to the 2 way 12 volt solenoid valve to select
hot water only or hot water and rads to be heated, for those i connected a
15mm push fit to female 3/4" threaded adaptor to a barbed 3/4" threaded
brass nipple,

the system has been in the motorhome for 5 years now, and not had any
problems to date, and i've driven the van over some very ****ty roads that
broke welds on a proffesionaly made commercialy sold motorcycle rack,

What the 'kinelll?
 

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:17:26 +0000, The Medway Handyman wrote:

Working in a local hotel, last renovated in the late 80's, asked to bleed a
rad in one of the rooms;

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...photos/rad.jpg

The tee is plastic, as is the pipe going to the right.

I think there were rigid plastic pipework systems (PVC, I think) sometime
about the time you're describing. Maybe during the copper shortage? I've
never come across any myself, though some stainless steel. The latter is a
right PITA to work on, though interestingly enough I've seen some of it
with soldered joints to copper solder-ring fittings - anyone know how one
would solder to the stuff? (I did have a try with regular solder and flux
- no dice.)



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I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous

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"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
...
Roger wrote:
"The Medway Handyman" wrote in
message . ..
Working in a local hotel, last renovated in the late 80's, asked to
bleed a rad in one of the rooms;

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...photos/rad.jpg

The tee is plastic, as is the pipe going to the right.

I'm at a loss as to whats going on - needless to say I didn't touch
it in case something leaked.


--
Dave - The Medway Cowboy - avoid at all cost!



That isn't the part you bleed the radiator - that thing is to carry
water in or out of the radiator. They work by hot water flowing
through them! You need to look at the top part of the radiator at the
side!

God knows why anyone ever calls you when you need to ask what to
do on this newsgroup. Maybe we will see you on BBC Watchdog
one day. Watch out!

Are you trying out for ****wit of the year 2009? You really are the
biggest **** I've ever come across.


--
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www.medwayhandyman.co.uk



Are you two married to each other?

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Fredxx wrote:
"The Medway Handyman" wrote in
message ...
Roger wrote:
"The Medway Handyman" wrote in
message . ..
Working in a local hotel, last renovated in the late 80's, asked to
bleed a rad in one of the rooms;

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...photos/rad.jpg

The tee is plastic, as is the pipe going to the right.

I'm at a loss as to whats going on - needless to say I didn't touch
it in case something leaked.


--
Dave - The Medway Cowboy - avoid at all cost!



That isn't the part you bleed the radiator - that thing is to carry
water in or out of the radiator. They work by hot water flowing
through them! You need to look at the top part of the radiator at
the side!

God knows why anyone ever calls you when you need to ask what to
do on this newsgroup. Maybe we will see you on BBC Watchdog
one day. Watch out!

Are you trying out for ****wit of the year 2009? You really are the
biggest **** I've ever come across.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk



Are you two married to each other?

Sorry, Ihave to smile. ;)

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Jules wrote:
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:51:36 +0100, Roger wrote:
That isn't the part you bleed the radiator - that thing is to carry
water in or out of the radiator. They work by hot water flowing
through them!
You need to look at the top part of the radiator at the side!

Obviously the photo is upside-down, and is of a radiator mounted
high-up on the wall in a hotel where they happen to like carpeted
ceilings.

Pillock, I've just wetted the screen! :)

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On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:17:26 GMT, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:

Working in a local hotel, last renovated in the late 80's, asked to bleed a
rad in one of the rooms;

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...photos/rad.jpg

The tee is plastic, as is the pipe going to the right.

I'm at a loss as to whats going on - needless to say I didn't touch it in
case something leaked.

It's what you get if you have your radiators fitted by a cobbler.

Derek

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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "The Medway Handyman"
saying something like:

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...photos/rad.jpg

The tee is plastic, as is the pipe going to the right.

I'm at a loss as to whats going on

A bodge.
Matey who fitted it didn't have an elbow so used a T with a blank on one
end. It's just got a reducer in the rad-facing end, usually not a real
problem, but I'd tend to avoid them being in places where they'd be
kicked.

What the 'kinelll? Cowboy strikes again.
 

On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 02:08:50 +0100, Clot wrote:
Obviously the photo is upside-down, and is of a radiator mounted
high-up on the wall in a hotel where they happen to like carpeted
ceilings.

Pillock, I've just wetted the screen! :)

Via your mouth or nose, I trust?

:P

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I *hope* the plastic plumbing is sleeving over copper all the way. It
could be some bizarre homemade attempt at insulating the pipework.

Would I be right in thinking this wasn't a five star establishment?

If you type the hotel name into http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ you
could find what other little quirks guests have noticed about the
place.

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"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
. ..
Working in a local hotel, last renovated in the late 80's, asked to bleed
a rad in one of the rooms;

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...photos/rad.jpg

The tee is plastic, as is the pipe going to the right.

I'm at a loss as to whats going on - needless to say I didn't touch it in
case something leaked.



Was that carpet very very very soft?
I ask because the pile is so tall it conceals the skiring board.

Arthur

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"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
. ..
Working in a local hotel, last renovated in the late 80's, asked to bleed
a rad in one of the rooms;

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...photos/rad.jpg

The tee is plastic, as is the pipe going to the right.

I'm at a loss as to whats going on - needless to say I didn't touch it in
case something leaked.

Did you have a look at what was on the other end of the plastic pipe which
enters from the right in the picture?
At first glance this looks like a waste pipe from a wash hand basin.
Certainly all the fixings look to be for a waste.

My suggestion (and I don't know which was fitted first - perhaps the
radiator? Easier to do if the basin is fitted first, I think.).

Someone was 'plumbing' and couldn't be arsed to cut a second hole in the
floor.

They therefore decided to share the hole between a waste pipe and a radiator
feed.
If you follow the white pipe down you might well find another 'T' joint
bodged in a similar manner where the radiator feed and the waste part
company.
Quite ingenious if this is what happened.

[However, I just had a vision of the heating pipe going all the way outside
before parting company with the waste as an ingenious way of stopping the
waste pipe freezing up and blocking all the wash hand basins - an
alternative to fixing all the dripping taps. Genius or madness, who can
tell? ]

Cheers

Dave R

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chris French wrote:

Handyman writes

- needless to say I didn't touch it in
case something leaked.

why would you have needed to touch it to bleed it?

Howz about he bleeds it, and the bleed nipple perishes, gets lost, the
corroding metal about it cracks or pinholes, the nipple spindle shears
off etc...

Then he's got a radiator to uncouple and drain ...

So a valid anti-double murphy's law prevention strategy.

--
Adrian C

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On 19 Oct, 22:17, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
Working in a local hotel, last renovated in the late 80's, asked to bleed a
rad in one of the rooms;

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...photos/rad.jpg

The tee is plastic, as is the pipe going to the right.

I'm at a loss as to whats going on - needless to say I didn't touch it in
case something leaked.

It's a cold-fill rad.

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On Oct 19, 11:58*pm, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
NT wrote:
On Oct 19, 10:17 pm, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
Working in a local hotel, last renovated in the late 80's, asked to
bleed a rad in one of the rooms;

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...photos/rad.jpg

The tee is plastic, as is the pipe going to the right.

I'm at a loss as to whats going on - needless to say I didn't touch
it in case something leaked.

why would plastic plumbing stop you bleeding it?

It didn't. *I was just amazed by the use of the plastic pipe.

Why? Most of the new piping on our CH system was done in plastic when
we had the boiler replaced and moved.

MBQ

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On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:57:47 GMT
"The Medway Handyman" wrote:

John Rumm wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote:

Working in a local hotel, last renovated in the late 80's, asked to
bleed a rad in one of the rooms;

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...photos/rad.jpg

The tee is plastic, as is the pipe going to the right.

I'm at a loss as to whats going on - needless to say I didn't touch
it in case something leaked.

Is there a pipe coming out of the bottom of the Tee?

Nope.

Plumber (loose description) ran out of 90's so he bodged a 90 out of a
tee. Done it meself.
R.

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On 20 Oct 2009 00:05:35 GMT, YAPH wrote:

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:17:26 +0000, The Medway Handyman wrote:

Working in a local hotel, last renovated in the late 80's, asked to bleed a
rad in one of the rooms;

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...photos/rad.jpg

The tee is plastic, as is the pipe going to the right.

I think there were rigid plastic pipework systems (PVC, I think) sometime
about the time you're describing. Maybe during the copper shortage? I've
never come across any myself, though some stainless steel. The latter is a
right PITA to work on, though interestingly enough I've seen some of it
with soldered joints to copper solder-ring fittings - anyone know how one
would solder to the stuff? (I did have a try with regular solder and flux
- no dice.)

There were plastic pipework systems in the early seventies. My parents
piped their CH in 1972, using plastic microbore (12mm, 10mm and 8mm). It
lasted for about thirty years, but became extremely brittle and has since
been re-piped in copper.

SteveW

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Man at B&Q wrote:
On Oct 19, 11:58 pm, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
NT wrote:
On Oct 19, 10:17 pm, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
Working in a local hotel, last renovated in the late 80's, asked to
bleed a rad in one of the rooms;

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...photos/rad.jpg

The tee is plastic, as is the pipe going to the right.

I'm at a loss as to whats going on - needless to say I didn't touch
it in case something leaked.

why would plastic plumbing stop you bleeding it?

It didn't. I was just amazed by the use of the plastic pipe.

Why? Most of the new piping on our CH system was done in plastic when
we had the boiler replaced and moved.

But not in 20mm ish overflow pipe?



--
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www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

What the 'kinelll?
 

The Medway Handyman wrote:

Working in a local hotel, last renovated in the late 80's, asked to bleed a
rad in one of the rooms;

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...photos/rad.jpg

The tee is plastic, as is the pipe going to the right.

I'm at a loss as to whats going on - needless to say I didn't touch it in
case something leaked.

That's easy, just treat it as a normal rad, it has probably been T'eed
off to another rad, whoever did it was not bothered about how it looked,
just wanted an easy job, so didnt put it under the floor.

I've been in a bathroom all week.Bit of a swine. Plastic, copper and
stainless piping. 15mm, 22mm, 3/4", 1/2" and probably 19mm plastic. The
plastic needed a special adaptor 3/8 to 15mm, cost £18 for two
adaptors..
I'm just about to try to mate up the 3/4"(ish) stainless pipe to the new
copper 22mm. Then I've got the solvent welded sewer pipe to do battle
with.
There may be some foul language today!
Alan.

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