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John Rumm wrote: Frank Erskine wrote: On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 23:25:10 +0100, had this to say: The thing with WD40 is I agree its not designed for large components and mainly we used it on small mechanisms and you used nearly half a can mainly as flushing agent, but it does work as a lubricant. How can a 'flushing agent' also act as a lubricant? The idea of a lubricant is that it forms a coating on the working surfaces - a 'flushing agent' removes any coatings. It may appear to lubricate short term, but that's just because it's wetting the surfaces - water would probably be just as effective. Practical experience would suggest otherwise though. In non demanding applications it lubricates well enough - e.g. a squeaking hinge will stop squeaking for a couple of years, before it needs another quick squirt. I am sure water would not have the same effect. The clutch pedal on my car squeaks when I lift my foot up. I took it to the garage and they sprayed it with, you guessed, WD40. 9 months later, it started to squeak again. Next week, I am going to take it back again with the *lubricant* of my own choice. ** either mollypaul, or an Aeroshell grease. So, a single squirt of a product you claim isn't a lubricant, costing a couple of quid, stopped a squeak for 9 months? My feeling on WD40 and the extreme dissing it gets around here is; 1) Its American - & us Brits can't stand that. 2) Its hugely successful - and us Brits can't stand that. 3) Its sold by Americans who are not shy when it comes to marketing - and us Brits can't stand that. Imagine if a product as versatile & useful as WD40 had been invented in England in 1953. The marketing would have been; " I say chaps, this stuff is rather good actually. Not saying its perfect of course, but overall its not too bad really". And they would have put a small advert in the Exchange & Mart. And it would have died a death. Because. although we are prolly the most inventive race on the planet, we are complete crap at marketing. Face it; It's sold in 180+ countries worldwide and they sell $216.8 million (£140+ million) worth a year. And thats all down to the clever marketing of a product that either doesn't work or actually causes problems? And all those customers are stupid? Get real. Wake up & smell the coffee. Its incredibly successful because it actually works. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:51:49 GMT, The Medway Handyman wrote:
So, a single squirt of a product you claim isn't a lubricant, costing a couple of quid, stopped a squeak for 9 months? Use of a proper lubricant for the job would have solved the problem full stop not just for 9 months. And thats all down to the clever marketing of a product that either doesn't work or actually causes problems? And all those customers are stupid? Not stupid, just taken in by the marketing. Most people believe marketing without looking behind the "facts" quoted or doing their own research. It's a "quick fix" but not the best one in most cases. -- Cheers Dave. |
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember saying something like: WD40 has been used for years as penetrating AND lubricating Snake oil. It doesn't do what it says on the tin for very long. Oversold ****, in other words. You can get exactly the same pentrant and lubricant action by making up a spray bottle of a gob of engine oil with diesel. The ONLY thing WD40 does well is act as a moisture dispersant, temporarily. |
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember PeterC saying something like: Graphite powder is good, but puffing into the lock tends to over-egg the pudding somewhat and then that gets everywhere (your hands, your face, up your nose, etc). That could possibly be carried with some sort of liquid, same as PTFE. Graphite-inna-vaporating-carrier aerosols have been around for years. |
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "The Medway Handyman" saying something like: Face it; It's sold in 180+ countries worldwide and they sell $216.8 million (£140+ million) worth a year. And thats all down to the clever marketing of a product that either doesn't work or actually causes problems? Oversold, overhyped and over here. And all those customers are stupid? Yes. For uncritically accepting the hype. |
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Dave saying something like: I fail to see how a penetrating fluid can also act as a lubricant... Imagine using Diesel as a lubricant :-) I do. It works better than paraffin. Millions of injector pumps can testify so. |
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Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember "The Medway Handyman" saying something like: Face it; It's sold in 180+ countries worldwide and they sell $216.8 million (£140+ million) worth a year. And thats all down to the clever marketing of a product that either doesn't work or actually causes problems? Oversold, overhyped and over here. And all those customers are stupid? Yes. For uncritically accepting the hype. But, horror of horrors - it might have succeeded - because it works? -- Dave - WD40 Liberation Front. |
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Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember saying something like: WD40 has been used for years as penetrating AND lubricating Snake oil. It doesn't do what it says on the tin for very long. Oversold ****, in other words. You can get exactly the same pentrant and lubricant action by making up a spray bottle of a gob of engine oil with diesel. The ONLY thing WD40 does well is act as a moisture dispersant, temporarily. Shame the worlds best known lock manufacturer doesn't agree with you innit? Hmmmm. Yale v unknown newsgroup person. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:44:21 +0000, The Medway Handyman wrote:
Grimly Curmudgeon wrote: We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember saying something like: WD40 has been used for years as penetrating AND lubricating Snake oil. It doesn't do what it says on the tin for very long. Oversold ****, in other words. You can get exactly the same pentrant and lubricant action by making up a spray bottle of a gob of engine oil with diesel. The ONLY thing WD40 does well is act as a moisture dispersant, temporarily. Shame the worlds best known lock manufacturer doesn't agree with you innit? Hmmmm. Yale v unknown newsgroup person. Vested interest in gumming up locks... -- Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org |
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On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:44:21 +0000, The Medway Handyman wrote:
The ONLY thing WD40 does well is act as a moisture dispersant, temporarily. Shame the worlds best known lock manufacturer doesn't agree with you innit? Hmmmm. Yale v unknown newsgroup person. I'm just glad they don't have Yale locks here... ;-) |
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ail.com... On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:44:21 +0000, The Medway Handyman wrote: The ONLY thing WD40 does well is act as a moisture dispersant, temporarily. Shame the worlds best known lock manufacturer doesn't agree with you innit? Hmmmm. Yale v unknown newsgroup person. I'm just glad they don't have Yale locks here... ;-) Harvard man? |
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On 12 Oct 2009 23:58:10 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:
Shame the worlds best known lock manufacturer doesn't agree with you innit? Vested interest in gumming up locks... Or one marketing department believing the puff of another marketing department. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:44:21 +0000, The Medway Handyman wrote: Grimly Curmudgeon wrote: We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember saying something like: WD40 has been used for years as penetrating AND lubricating Snake oil. It doesn't do what it says on the tin for very long. Oversold ****, in other words. You can get exactly the same pentrant and lubricant action by making up a spray bottle of a gob of engine oil with diesel. The ONLY thing WD40 does well is act as a moisture dispersant, temporarily. Shame the worlds best known lock manufacturer doesn't agree with you innit? Hmmmm. Yale v unknown newsgroup person. Vested interest in gumming up locks... World's best known & respected lock maker deliberately decides to ruin its reputation? Not very likely is it? -- Dave - WD40 Liberation Front. |
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On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:31:22 +0100, Clive George wrote:
"Jules" wrote in message ail.com... On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:44:21 +0000, The Medway Handyman wrote: The ONLY thing WD40 does well is act as a moisture dispersant, temporarily. Shame the worlds best known lock manufacturer doesn't agree with you innit? Hmmmm. Yale v unknown newsgroup person. I'm just glad they don't have Yale locks here... ;-) Harvard man? Only half? -- Peter. The head of a pin will hold more angels if it's been flattened with an angel-grinder. |
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The Medway Handyman wrote:
Grimly Curmudgeon wrote: We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember saying something like: WD40 has been used for years as penetrating AND lubricating Snake oil. It doesn't do what it says on the tin for very long. Oversold ****, in other words. You can get exactly the same pentrant and lubricant action by making up a spray bottle of a gob of engine oil with diesel. The ONLY thing WD40 does well is act as a moisture dispersant, temporarily. Shame the worlds best known lock manufacturer doesn't agree with you innit? Hmmmm. Yale v unknown newsgroup person. Dave, you're digging yourself a hole. Yale is a shadow of the company it used to be. It's been brought and sold a few times in the last 30 years and is now merely a brand owned by ASSA Abloy, who also own Union, Chubb, Mul-t-lock, Ingersoll, Adams Rite, Besam, and a load of other brands. Yale doesn't have its own marketing or website; It's run in the UK by Mul-T-Lock UK (wholly owned by ASSA Abloy) as just that: a brand. http://www.mul-t-lock.co.uk/brands.aspx http://www.assaabloy.com/en/com/Abou...ds/All-Brands/ Yale cylinder products are made in China and quality is IMHO nothing like what it used to be. It must be said that Yale mortice locks are made on the same production line as Union and Chubb product and some of their BS3621 Locks are exactly the same as Chubb (apart from the fact that Chubb still has nice brass keys). As an aside, Assa Abloy are losing the rights to use the Chubb name for commercial and domestic locks next year, so all chubb locks will be re-branded as Union and all Chubb secondary security (window locks, etc) will be re-branded as Yale. http://www.chubb-at-heart.co.uk/questions/1 Assa Abloy do in fact market a lock lubricant: http://www.assa.co.uk/index.php?cid=3519# which, judging by its MSDS is a PTFE product. They also advocate against using other kinds of products, including graphite in their cylinders. WD40 is not specifically mentioned, but here's a quote from a PDF: "Warning! Never use grease, oil or graphite based lubricants in locking cylinders as these lubricants cause functionality disruptions and clogs up the mechanism." It has to be said that there's nothing special about Yale any more, it's merely one brand out of sixty owned by the world's biggest security products conglomerate and at that it's a subsidiary brand that's well down the corporate chain of command. It comes as no surprise to me that the instruction leaflet is off-message. Cheers, DaveyO |
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On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:26:19 +0000, The Medway Handyman wrote:
Hmmmm. Yale v unknown newsgroup person. Vested interest in gumming up locks... World's best known & respected lock maker deliberately decides to ruin its reputation? Not very likely is it? They're relying on the general public remaining ignorant of WD40's failings - assuming they're even aware of the failings themselves, which they might not be. If things turn sour they'll silently drop the recommendation, I'm sure. Of the locks that fail, I'm sure they can claim all sorts of natural causes for the vast majority - and silence the minority quite easily. It'd be interesting to ask them what sort of longevity testing - if any - they did on locks treated with WD40, but I can't be bothered - I've not seen any Yale products this side of the Pond, so it's just not an issue for me. cheers Jules |
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "The Medway Handyman" saying something like: Shame the worlds best known lock manufacturer doesn't agree with you innit? And I'm sure Hotpoints only work properly with Daz. |
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Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember "The Medway Handyman" saying something like: Shame the worlds best known lock manufacturer doesn't agree with you innit? And I'm sure Hotpoints only work properly with Daz. Thats coz Daz (can you still buy that - and Omo, which always made us laugh as kids) give away a free packet. You don't get a free can of WD40 with a Yale lock. -- Dave - WD40 Liberation Front. |
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The Medway Handyman wrote:
Dave wrote: John Rumm wrote: Frank Erskine wrote: On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 23:25:10 +0100, had this to say: The thing with WD40 is I agree its not designed for large components and mainly we used it on small mechanisms and you used nearly half a can mainly as flushing agent, but it does work as a lubricant. How can a 'flushing agent' also act as a lubricant? The idea of a lubricant is that it forms a coating on the working surfaces - a 'flushing agent' removes any coatings. It may appear to lubricate short term, but that's just because it's wetting the surfaces - water would probably be just as effective. Practical experience would suggest otherwise though. In non demanding applications it lubricates well enough - e.g. a squeaking hinge will stop squeaking for a couple of years, before it needs another quick squirt. I am sure water would not have the same effect. The clutch pedal on my car squeaks when I lift my foot up. I took it to the garage and they sprayed it with, you guessed, WD40. 9 months later, it started to squeak again. Next week, I am going to take it back again with the *lubricant* of my own choice. ** either mollypaul, or an Aeroshell grease. So, a single squirt of a product you claim isn't a lubricant, costing a couple of quid, stopped a squeak for 9 months? My feeling on WD40 and the extreme dissing it gets around here is; 1) Its American - & us Brits can't stand that. 2) Its hugely successful - and us Brits can't stand that. 3) Its sold by Americans who are not shy when it comes to marketing - and us Brits can't stand that. Imagine if a product as versatile & useful as WD40 had been invented in England in 1953. The marketing would have been; " I say chaps, this stuff is rather good actually. Not saying its perfect of course, but overall its not too bad really". And they would have put a small advert in the Exchange & Mart. And it would have died a death. Because. although we are prolly the most inventive race on the planet, we are complete crap at marketing. Face it; It's sold in 180+ countries worldwide and they sell $216.8 million (£140+ million) worth a year. And thats all down to the clever marketing of a product that either doesn't work or actually causes problems? And all those customers are stupid? Get real. Wake up & smell the coffee. Its incredibly successful because it actually works. Sorry for the delay in answering this post, but I still disagree with you. At the end of the day it is still a water dispersant and that is what it was originally designed as. Not too long ago, it was known as WD 36. The fact that it *can* lubricate for a short time, is a bonus. As is its ability to penetrate. That was part of its design, to penetrate and oust the water. Regards Dave |
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On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:45:29 GMT, The Medway Handyman wrote:
Thats coz Daz (can you still buy that - and Omo, If Omo won't whiten it and Daz won't brighten it, BUGGER it. (J.Carrot) -- Cheers Dave. |
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Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:45:29 GMT, The Medway Handyman wrote: Thats coz Daz (can you still buy that - and Omo, If Omo won't whiten it and Daz won't brighten it, BUGGER it. (J.Carrot) (Fred "Oldest Swinger in Town" Wedlock) (At least, according to my memory and eccles he http://www.hard-facts.net/cgi-bin/forum/fxm.cgi?act=ST;f=1;t=8479;st=0) -- Rod |
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Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:45:29 GMT, The Medway Handyman wrote: Thats coz Daz (can you still buy that - and Omo, If Omo won't whiten it and Daz won't brighten it, BUGGER it. (J.Carrot) Best Universal Grease Grime & Effluent Remover. IIRC -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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Rod wrote:
Dave Liquorice wrote: On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:45:29 GMT, The Medway Handyman wrote: Thats coz Daz (can you still buy that - and Omo, If Omo won't whiten it and Daz won't brighten it, BUGGER it. (J.Carrot) (Fred "Oldest Swinger in Town" Wedlock) (At least, according to my memory and eccles he http://www.hard-facts.net/cgi-bin/forum/fxm.cgi?act=ST;f=1;t=8479;st=0) Definately Carrot -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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The Medway Handyman wrote:
Rod wrote: Dave Liquorice wrote: On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:45:29 GMT, The Medway Handyman wrote: Thats coz Daz (can you still buy that - and Omo, If Omo won't whiten it and Daz won't brighten it, BUGGER it. (J.Carrot) (Fred "Oldest Swinger in Town" Wedlock) (At least, according to my memory and eccles he http://www.hard-facts.net/cgi-bin/forum/fxm.cgi?act=ST;f=1;t=8479;st=0) Definately Carrot If my album identification is right, it was on Wedlock's Frollicks album issued in 1973. And he called it Best Universal Grit Grime and Effluent Remover. Not for one minute am I suggesting that Carrot, J, never had a version, but I *think* Wedlock was earlier. -- Rod |
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On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:40:58 +0100, Rod wrote:
If my album identification is right, it was on Wedlock's Frollicks album issued in 1973. And he called it Best Universal Grit Grime and Effluent Remover. Not for one minute am I suggesting that Carrot, J, never had a version, but I *think* Wedlock was earlier. I heard it from Carrot but Wedlock was certainly around at the time. Carrot may have "borrowed" it. -- Cheers Dave. |
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In message , Rod
writes The Medway Handyman wrote: Rod wrote: Dave Liquorice wrote: On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:45:29 GMT, The Medway Handyman wrote: Thats coz Daz (can you still buy that - and Omo, If Omo won't whiten it and Daz won't brighten it, BUGGER it. (J.Carrot) (Fred "Oldest Swinger in Town" Wedlock) (At least, according to my memory and eccles he http://www.hard-facts.net/cgi-bin/forum/fxm.cgi?act=ST;f=1;t=8479;st=0) Definately Carrot If my album identification is right, it was on Wedlock's Frollicks album issued in 1973. And he called it Best Universal Grit Grime and Effluent Remover. Now, If I hadn't lent that album to some drunken norverner 30 years ago, I could have told you -- geoff |
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