Can I use the pot of MK "egaweld" I have for electrical conduits to also
weld the Marley waste pipe I've just bought? Or are they in fact
different things?

Cheers,

Pete

Pete Verdon wrote:
Can I use the pot of MK "egaweld" I have for electrical conduits to also
weld the Marley waste pipe I've just bought? Or are they in fact
different things?

Cheers,

Pete
Should be OK. Most of these things are uPVC.
There is one breed of wastepipe that is something else but it has a
different BS number.

Bob

Pete Verdon wrote:
Can I use the pot of MK "egaweld" I have for electrical conduits to
also weld the Marley waste pipe I've just bought? Or are they in fact
different things?

I would have thought so. Easy enough to find out...


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On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:27:25 +0100, Bob Minchin wrote:

Pete Verdon wrote:
Can I use the pot of MK "egaweld" I have for electrical conduits to also
weld the Marley waste pipe I've just bought? Or are they in fact
different things?

Cheers,

Pete
Should be OK. Most of these things are uPVC. There is one breed of
wastepipe that is something else but it has a different BS number.

Bob

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Wickes sell two types of waste pipe - push-fit and solvent-weld. Would one
of these two be the exception to which you refer?

Cic.

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Cicero wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:27:25 +0100, Bob Minchin wrote:

Pete Verdon wrote:
Can I use the pot of MK "egaweld" I have for electrical conduits to also
weld the Marley waste pipe I've just bought? Or are they in fact
different things?

Cheers,

Pete
Should be OK. Most of these things are uPVC. There is one breed of
wastepipe that is something else but it has a different BS number.

Bob

==========================================

Wickes sell two types of waste pipe - push-fit and solvent-weld. Would one
of these two be the exception to which you refer?

Cic.

The stuff I recall was plastic but copper coloured called something like
Bartol. It had a slightly slippery, soft feel surface and would not take
solvent weld cement. It might have been push fit. I 'inherited' odd bits
of it abandoned when I bought the house in the 80s.

upvc is a bit harder and you can't scratch it and make a mark with your
fingernail

Bob

Bob Minchin wrote:
Cicero wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:27:25 +0100, Bob Minchin wrote:

Pete Verdon wrote:
Can I use the pot of MK "egaweld" I have for electrical conduits to
also
weld the Marley waste pipe I've just bought? Or are they in fact
different things?

Cheers,

Pete
Should be OK. Most of these things are uPVC. There is one breed of
wastepipe that is something else but it has a different BS number.

Bob

==========================================

Wickes sell two types of waste pipe - push-fit and solvent-weld. Would
one
of these two be the exception to which you refer?
Cic.

The stuff I recall was plastic but copper coloured called something like
Bartol. It had a slightly slippery, soft feel surface and would not take
solvent weld cement. It might have been push fit. I 'inherited' odd bits
of it abandoned when I bought the house in the 80s.

upvc is a bit harder and you can't scratch it and make a mark with your
fingernail

Bob

A bit of googling reveals the consecutive BS numbers that I recalled.

BS5254 now replaced by BS-EN1329-1 is the upvc solvent weldable stuff
BS5255 now replaced by BS-EN1451-1 is the Polypropylene stuff which
indeed is designed for push fit.

Bob

The Medway Handyman wrote:
Pete Verdon wrote:

Can I use the pot of MK "egaweld" I have for electrical conduits to
also weld the Marley waste pipe I've just bought?

I would have thought so. Easy enough to find out...

Not when it comes apart under my freshly tiled floor it isn't :-)

Pete

Bob Minchin wrote:
Pete Verdon wrote:

Can I use the pot of MK "egaweld" I have for electrical conduits to
also weld the Marley waste pipe I've just bought?

Should be OK. Most of these things are uPVC.

I think the label I looked at said ABS (typically, I then picked up a
piece of pipe with half the label torn off). The solvent says PVC. I
don't know enough to know whether they're close enough.

Pete

On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:45:29 +0100, Bob Minchin wrote:

Bob Minchin wrote:
Cicero wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:27:25 +0100, Bob Minchin wrote:

Pete Verdon wrote:
Can I use the pot of MK "egaweld" I have for electrical conduits to
also
weld the Marley waste pipe I've just bought? Or are they in fact
different things?

Cheers,

Pete
Should be OK. Most of these things are uPVC. There is one breed of
wastepipe that is something else but it has a different BS number.

Bob

==========================================

Wickes sell two types of waste pipe - push-fit and solvent-weld. Would
one
of these two be the exception to which you refer? Cic.

The stuff I recall was plastic but copper coloured called something like
Bartol. It had a slightly slippery, soft feel surface and would not take
solvent weld cement. It might have been push fit. I 'inherited' odd bits
of it abandoned when I bought the house in the 80s.

upvc is a bit harder and you can't scratch it and make a mark with your
fingernail

Bob

A bit of googling reveals the consecutive BS numbers that I recalled.

BS5254 now replaced by BS-EN1329-1 is the upvc solvent weldable stuff
BS5255 now replaced by BS-EN1451-1 is the Polypropylene stuff which indeed
is designed for push fit.

Bob

==========================================

Thanks for that - I'll check those numbers on the stuff I'm using in the
morning. I need to do a bit of 'mix and match' and I've been working on
the assumption that the solvent weld stuff can be used with push-fit /
compression but not the other way round.

Cic.

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Cicero wrote:

I need to do a bit of 'mix and match' and I've been working on
the assumption that the solvent weld stuff can be used with push-fit /
compression but not the other way round.

At least with the 40mm stuff I've just been looking at, push-fit and
solvent-weld cannot be used together. The OD of push-fit is near enough
40mm, while that of solvent-weld is 43. The solvent-weld won't even come
close to fitting into a push-fit fitting, and the pushfit would be too
loose in a solvent-weld one (not to mention not welding properly).

My understanding is that compression has enough give to work with either.

Pete

On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:32:06 +0100, Pete Verdon wrote:

Cicero wrote:

I need to do a bit of 'mix and match' and I've been working on the
assumption that the solvent weld stuff can be used with push-fit /
compression but not the other way round.

At least with the 40mm stuff I've just been looking at, push-fit and
solvent-weld cannot be used together. The OD of push-fit is near enough
40mm, while that of solvent-weld is 43. The solvent-weld won't even come
close to fitting into a push-fit fitting, and the pushfit would be too
loose in a solvent-weld one (not to mention not welding properly).

My understanding is that compression has enough give to work with either.

Pete

==========================================

Thanks for that. Everything is in push-fit for the time being but I would
like to use solvent weld in a few places when the final positioning is
done.

Cic.

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Pete Verdon d wibbled:

Bob Minchin wrote:
Pete Verdon wrote:

Can I use the pot of MK "egaweld" I have for electrical conduits to
also weld the Marley waste pipe I've just bought?

Should be OK. Most of these things are uPVC.

I think the label I looked at said ABS (typically, I then picked up a
piece of pipe with half the label torn off). The solvent says PVC. I
don't know enough to know whether they're close enough.

Pete

I have a tub of Floplast solvent glue that may be used with either uPVC or
ABS.

It's quite likely that the egaweld would work, but personally I'd get
something that positively states ABS just to be sure.

Cheers

Tim

Pete Verdon wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote:
Pete Verdon wrote:

Can I use the pot of MK "egaweld" I have for electrical conduits to
also weld the Marley waste pipe I've just bought?

I would have thought so. Easy enough to find out...

Not when it comes apart under my freshly tiled floor it isn't :-)

But you would know within minutes if it worked or not surely?


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www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

"Pete Verdon" d wrote in
message ...
Bob Minchin wrote:
Pete Verdon wrote:

Can I use the pot of MK "egaweld" I have for electrical conduits to also
weld the Marley waste pipe I've just bought?

Should be OK. Most of these things are uPVC.

I think the label I looked at said ABS (typically, I then picked up a
piece of pipe with half the label torn off). The solvent says PVC. I don't
know enough to know whether they're close enough.

ABS is a styrene, so I doubt it. There may be solvents that work on both ABS
and PVC, but I wouldn't bet on it for the cost of a pot of the right stuff.

Colin Bignell

Bob Minchin wrote:

Should be OK. Most of these things are uPVC.

Err no, ABS usually.

In article ,
"nightjar" cpb@insert my surname here.me.uk writes:

"Pete Verdon" d wrote in
message ...
Bob Minchin wrote:
Pete Verdon wrote:

Can I use the pot of MK "egaweld" I have for electrical conduits to also
weld the Marley waste pipe I've just bought?

Should be OK. Most of these things are uPVC.

I think the label I looked at said ABS (typically, I then picked up a
piece of pipe with half the label torn off). The solvent says PVC. I don't
know enough to know whether they're close enough.

ABS is a styrene, so I doubt it. There may be solvents that work on both ABS
and PVC, but I wouldn't bet on it for the cost of a pot of the right stuff.

A lot of the (cheaper) solvent weld fittings are ABS, and they are
interchangeable with uPVC fittings. However, I always try to find
PVC parts (sometimes, you'll find mixed stock in the same bin in
the sheds). PVC certainly does solvent weld better.

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On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:45:29 +0100, Bob Minchin wrote:

Bob Minchin wrote:
Cicero wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:27:25 +0100, Bob Minchin wrote:

Pete Verdon wrote:
Can I use the pot of MK "egaweld" I have for electrical conduits to
also
weld the Marley waste pipe I've just bought? Or are they in fact
different things?

Cheers,

Pete
Should be OK. Most of these things are uPVC. There is one breed of
wastepipe that is something else but it has a different BS number.

Bob

==========================================

Wickes sell two types of waste pipe - push-fit and solvent-weld. Would
one
of these two be the exception to which you refer? Cic.

The stuff I recall was plastic but copper coloured called something like
Bartol. It had a slightly slippery, soft feel surface and would not take
solvent weld cement. It might have been push fit. I 'inherited' odd bits
of it abandoned when I bought the house in the 80s.

upvc is a bit harder and you can't scratch it and make a mark with your
fingernail

Bob

A bit of googling reveals the consecutive BS numbers that I recalled.

BS5254 now replaced by BS-EN1329-1 is the upvc solvent weldable stuff
BS5255 now replaced by BS-EN1451-1 is the Polypropylene stuff which indeed
is designed for push fit.

Bob

==========================================

I've just checked the two types from Wickes and allowing for some
variation in numbers my checks confirm that there are two different
sizes for different fittings thus:

Push-fit - 41mm - BS EN1451 B

Solvent weld - 43mm - BS EN1566 B - Mupvc

The difference in numbers suggests that there are different types of
solvent-weld pipe and probably different types of solvent which need to be
matched to their particular type.

Cic.

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On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:32:06 +0100, Pete Verdon wrote:

Cicero wrote:

I need to do a bit of 'mix and match' and I've been working on the
assumption that the solvent weld stuff can be used with push-fit /
compression but not the other way round.

At least with the 40mm stuff I've just been looking at, push-fit and
solvent-weld cannot be used together. The OD of push-fit is near enough
40mm, while that of solvent-weld is 43. The solvent-weld won't even come
close to fitting into a push-fit fitting, and the pushfit would be too
loose in a solvent-weld one (not to mention not welding properly).

My understanding is that compression has enough give to work with either.

Pete

=========================================

You're right - I've just checked. Actual marked sizes (Wickes) are 41mm
and 43mm.

Cic.

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On 12 Aug, 00:14, "nightjar" cpb@insert my surname here.me.uk
wrote:

ABS is a styrene, so I doubt it. There may be solvents that work on both ABS
and PVC, but I wouldn't bet on it for the cost of a pot of the right stuff.

True; ABS and PVC solvents are different.
The last time I looked at the manufacturer's literature for the
'universal' solvent, it said it wasn't suitable for pressure
applications.
I'd buy the right stuff for the pipe system being used.

wibbled:

On 12 Aug, 00:14, "nightjar" cpb@insert my surname here.me.uk
wrote:

ABS is a styrene, so I doubt it. There may be solvents that work on both
ABS and PVC, but I wouldn't bet on it for the cost of a pot of the right
stuff.

True; ABS and PVC solvents are different.
The last time I looked at the manufacturer's literature for the
'universal' solvent, it said it wasn't suitable for pressure
applications.
I'd buy the right stuff for the pipe system being used.

Hi,

That doesn't seem to concur with this:

http://www.floplast.co.uk/pages.asp?...5341&catid=282
http://www.floplast.co.uk/pages.asp?...1915&catid=282

The former states that Floplast uPVC 110 systems should be jointed with
SC125 or SC250 (I have this - it's the one Screwfix sells)

The second link states to use exactly the same solvents on ABS.

I was worried when this thread started as I'd been using SC250 on both ABS
and uPVC - but the links state this is fine.

Perhaps there's something funky about SC250 but it smells remarkably similar
to the conduit weld I have.

In both cases, there is not a chance in hell of any of the joints coming
apart - I've tried on a test sample.

Cheers

Tim

In article , Cicero
writes

I've just checked the two types from Wickes and allowing for some
variation in numbers my checks confirm that there are two different
sizes for different fittings thus:

Push-fit - 41mm - BS EN1451 B

Solvent weld - 43mm - BS EN1566 B - Mupvc

The difference in numbers suggests that there are different types of
solvent-weld pipe and probably different types of solvent which need to be
matched to their particular type.

Both ABS and MuPVC use the same solvent system.

ABS waste is thin walled, scratches easily and is the cheaper, low grade
product but it is adequate for domestic use.

MuPVC waste is thicker walled, less easy to scratch and can sustain
higher temperatures in use. It is specifically required for prolonged
discharge of hot water where ABS would soften and start to flop about
but is not generally required for a domestic situation. Its higher
temperature resistance makes it suitable for use as a flue for
compatible boilers such as the Keston range.

Both ABS and MuPVC wastes were specified under BS 5255 but have now been
given different EN spec numbers which is sensible considering their
different properties.

The sheds used to stock MuPVC exclusively so all my stuff is done in
that but on returning to buy some additional supplies at the B&Q I have
noticed that the stock seems to have switched the lower cost ABS with a
few odd fittings of MuPVC being sold from ABS part bins. If I want MuPVC
now it will be easier to go to a specialist drainage merchant where I
know I will get the right stuff.
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Pete Verdon wrote:
Can I use the pot of MK "egaweld" I have for electrical conduits to
also weld the Marley waste pipe I've just bought? Or are they in fact
different things?

Cheers,

Pete
Thought this might help, I got it on the bondrite site:-
http://bondrite.co.uk/

*CODE* * ABS ACRYLIC POLYCARBONATE STYRENE PVC
PETG STYROLUX*

WC101

SLOW SLOW

WC102 Very Fast

WC103
MEDIUM

WC104 SLOW SLOW

WC105 MED MED

WC120 FAST FAST
FAST FAST

WC121 FAST For Cast
FAST FAST

WC122 FAST no crazing

WC123 FAST FAST FAST
FAST

WC126
MED MED

WC128 SLOW

WC223 SLOW
SLOW SLOW SLOW

Cheers
Don

Donwill wrote:
Pete Verdon wrote:
Can I use the pot of MK "egaweld" I have for electrical conduits to
also weld the Marley waste pipe I've just bought? Or are they in fact
different things?

Cheers,

Pete
Thought this might help, I got it on the bondrite site:-
http://bondrite.co.uk/

*CODE* * ABS ACRYLIC POLYCARBONATE STYRENE PVC
PETG STYROLUX*
Sorry the columns sem to have lost their order.
Try this instead :- http://bondrite.co.uk/weld-cements/cat_12.html

Don

"Pete Verdon" d wrote in
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Can I use the pot of MK "egaweld" I have for electrical conduits to also
weld the Marley waste pipe I've just bought? Or are they in fact different
things?

Cheers,

Pete

Some (like underground soil pipes) are ABS, some (smaller waste pipes and
conduits) are PVC. One solvent cement is OK on both, the other is more dodgy
on the wrong one. Of course I can't remember which way round. However I
havn't come across Marley solvent weld; it used to be push fit.