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I seem to have started to attract some door bell ringing from the local
youths on the skulk home from school. I ignore it - but it has escalated into them coming up to the windows and knocking on them (to really impress their mates) I am thinking of leaving a video camera running in the house - positioned in such a way that no-one just walking past on the pavement will be caught in shot. Then if I get a picture of a face at the window I can show it to my local Community Police Boy. Any legal issues that you can imagine? Anyone at the window will be 15 feet onto my property. |
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On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:48:36 +0100, "John"
wrote: I seem to have started to attract some door bell ringing from the local youths on the skulk home from school. I ignore it - but it has escalated into them coming up to the windows and knocking on them (to really impress their mates) I am thinking of leaving a video camera running in the house - positioned in such a way that no-one just walking past on the pavement will be caught in shot. Then if I get a picture of a face at the window I can show it to my local Community Police Boy. Any legal issues that you can imagine? Anyone at the window will be 15 feet onto my property. Complain to the skool if they are going to or from it,esp'y from it. -- Any posting using my name and/or e-mail address but other than by newsindividual.net is not being posted by me and should be disregarded . Remove NOSPAM to reply by e-mail |
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On Jul 9, 2:55*pm, Stuart B wrote:
Complain to the skool if they are going to or from it,esp'y from it. Can you imagine that working?!? You'd be arrested for violating their rights or something! I had a similar problem with people using my garden as a cut-through. I used a laser spirit-level and pointer to create two beams across the path (the beam itself was invisible, but the "spots" on the wall looked lazery!), and put an old, dud cctv camera on the wall and it stopped! I'd just put some kind of overt fake camera. And don't worry about filming people - I took a snap of two young lads in a neighbours back garden; they'd already broken the window and taken a playstation (they were on their way back for more). The police came round and I showed them the snap, but because it was a neighbouring property there was some thing about the photo not being able to be used "officially", but they immediately recognised them, went for a visit and found the playstation right there - red handed! So, go for it! |
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"Stuart B" wrote in message ... On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:48:36 +0100, "John" wrote: I seem to have started to attract some door bell ringing from the local youths on the skulk home from school. I ignore it - but it has escalated into them coming up to the windows and knocking on them (to really impress their mates) I am thinking of leaving a video camera running in the house - positioned in such a way that no-one just walking past on the pavement will be caught in shot. Then if I get a picture of a face at the window I can show it to my local Community Police Boy. Any legal issues that you can imagine? Anyone at the window will be 15 feet onto my property. Complain to the skool if they are going to or from it,esp'y from it. Get real - the school are not interested in what goes on beyond their boundary! -- Any posting using my name and/or e-mail address but other than by newsindividual.net is not being posted by me and should be disregarded . Remove NOSPAM to reply by e-mail |
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Snip Get real - the school are not interested in what goes on beyond their boundary! Times may have changed but they certainly were when I was at school (back when Noah was a lad). As far as they were concerned, if you had any part of your uniform on you were recognisable as "an ambassador of the school" and were expected to behave accordingly. ah, the good old days KK |
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I seem to have started to attract some door bell ringing from the local youths on the skulk home from school. I ignore it - but it has escalated into them coming up to the windows and knocking on them (to really impress their mates) Any legal issues that you can imagine? Anyone at the window will be 15 feet onto my property. Take photographs. Arrange for someone else to follow them home and get addresses. Complain to the school, so it's on record. Place a PIR triggered speaker with a loud recorded message "entering this property further without permission is trespass. Action will be taken for persistant offenders." Then, arrange for a remote spray of hair dye at their face level. -- Adrian C |
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Adrian C wrote:
John wrote: I seem to have started to attract some door bell ringing from the local youths on the skulk home from school. I ignore it - but it has escalated into them coming up to the windows and knocking on them (to really impress their mates) Any legal issues that you can imagine? Anyone at the window will be 15 feet onto my property. Take photographs. Arrange for someone else to follow them home and get addresses. Complain to the school, so it's on record. Place a PIR triggered speaker with a loud recorded message "entering this property further without permission is trespass. Action will be taken for persistant offenders." Then, arrange for a remote spray of hair dye at their face level. steal their sneakers and swear blind they are making it all up. |
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"Kaptain Kremin" wrote in message ... John wrote in message ... Snip Get real - the school are not interested in what goes on beyond their boundary! Times may have changed but they certainly were when I was at school (back when Noah was a lad). As far as they were concerned, if you had any part of your uniform on you were recognisable as "an ambassador of the school" and were expected to behave accordingly. ah, the good old days KK Champion of the Gang is now more important. |
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On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:48:36 +0100, John wrote:
I seem to have started to attract some door bell ringing from the local youths on the skulk home from school. I ignore it - but it has escalated into them coming up to the windows and knocking on them (to really impress their mates) I am thinking of leaving a video camera running in the house - positioned in such a way that no-one just walking past on the pavement will be caught in shot. Then if I get a picture of a face at the window I can show it to my local Community Police Boy. Any legal issues that you can imagine? Anyone at the window will be 15 feet onto my property. Ignore it. It'll soon be the school holidays and they'll all go away and annoy other people instead. When they go back in september they'll have forgotten all abou it. Anyway, by the time you got a camera sorted out, and got the local Hitler Youth, sorry PCSO out of their chair the school will be closed up and all the teachers off on holiday - or doing part time jobs elsewhere. If you still feel the need to do something, get a BEWARE OF THE DOG sign for the garden gate. |
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On 9 July, 15:09, lardconcepts wrote:
On Jul 9, 2:55*pm, Stuart B wrote: Complain to the skool if they are going to or from it,esp'y from it. Can you imagine that working?!? You'd be arrested for violating their rights or something! IMHE you get rather the opposite - a rather sad conversation with a Head who was bemoaning the drop in standards of pupil behaviour, entirely sympathetic to my comments, but who was clearly run off his feet in stopping the same kids either nicking the school or setting fire to it. I couldn't help but feel sorry for the poor guy (and grateful I'd never gone into teaching). |
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John wrote:
I seem to have started to attract some door bell ringing from the local youths on the skulk home from school. I ignore it - but it has escalated into them coming up to the windows and knocking on them (to really impress their mates) I am thinking of leaving a video camera running in the house - positioned in such a way that no-one just walking past on the pavement will be caught in shot. Then if I get a picture of a face at the window I can show it to my local Community Police Boy. Any legal issues that you can imagine? Anyone at the window will be 15 feet onto my property. Do you not have a wall/fence/gate? -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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On 9 July, 14:48, "John" wrote:
I seem to have started to attract some door bell ringing from the local youths on the skulk home from school. I ignore it - but it has escalated into them coming up to the windows and knocking on them (to really impress their mates) I am thinking of leaving a video camera running in the house - positioned in such a way that no-one just walking past on the pavement will be caught in shot. Then if I get a picture of a face at the window I can show it to my local Community Police Boy. Any legal issues that you can imagine? Anyone at the window will be 15 feet onto my property. Put yourself in their shoes, what would scare the **** out of you are stop you being a nuisance? |
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"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message om... John wrote: I seem to have started to attract some door bell ringing from the local youths on the skulk home from school. I ignore it - but it has escalated into them coming up to the windows and knocking on them (to really impress their mates) I am thinking of leaving a video camera running in the house - positioned in such a way that no-one just walking past on the pavement will be caught in shot. Then if I get a picture of a face at the window I can show it to my local Community Police Boy. Any legal issues that you can imagine? Anyone at the window will be 15 feet onto my property. Do you not have a wall/fence/gate? -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk Not permitted - open plan fronts in deeds. |
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"Kaptain Kremin" wrote in message ... John wrote in message ... Snip Get real - the school are not interested in what goes on beyond their boundary! Times may have changed but they certainly were when I was at school (back when Noah was a lad). As far as they were concerned, if you had any part of your uniform on you were recognisable as "an ambassador of the school" and were expected to behave accordingly. ah, the good old days KK http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/n...re/8142428.stm Good old days? Adam |
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John wrote:
"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message om... John wrote: I seem to have started to attract some door bell ringing from the local youths on the skulk home from school. I ignore it - but it has escalated into them coming up to the windows and knocking on them (to really impress their mates) I am thinking of leaving a video camera running in the house - positioned in such a way that no-one just walking past on the pavement will be caught in shot. Then if I get a picture of a face at the window I can show it to my local Community Police Boy. Any legal issues that you can imagine? Anyone at the window will be 15 feet onto my property. Do you not have a wall/fence/gate? Not permitted - open plan fronts in deeds. Ah. That makes it difficult. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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ARWadsworth wrote in message
om... Snip http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/n...re/8142428.stm Good old days? Yep. Especially as I didn't suggest any violence although there was of course the cane for serial offenders. As the teacher is 49, let's assume he has been teaching for some years and has seen his authority gradually eroded by all these left wing do gooders to the point that he is now constantly abused and vilified by some oik trying to prove to his peers that he is the "big I am". Teach has finally snapped with tragic consequences. I do not for one minute think his actions are acceptable but I also doubt they came about without severe provocation. KK |
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writes Get real - the school are not interested in what goes on beyond their boundary! Move to a nicer area, they certainly are around this area. -- Any posting using my name and/or e-mail address but other than by newsindividual.net is not being posted by me and should be disregarded . Remove NOSPAM to reply by e-mail -- Clint Sharp |
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On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:53:04 +0000, The Medway Handyman wrote:
Do you not have a wall/fence/gate? Not permitted - open plan fronts in deeds. Ah. That makes it difficult. Covered pit with pointy bamboo sticks at the bottom? |
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On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:08:34 +0100, Kaptain Kremin wrote:
As the teacher is 49, let's assume he has been teaching for some years and has seen his authority gradually eroded by all these left wing do gooders to the point that he is now constantly abused and vilified by some oik trying to prove to his peers that he is the "big I am". Teach has finally snapped with tragic consequences. I do not for one minute think his actions are acceptable but I also doubt they came about without severe provocation. Exactly what I've been thinking since I heard the news. It had to happen sooner or later. Something *must* be done to stop kids ruling the Country and always being right. I don't think it's the kid's fault - it's the Parents ... :-( A couple of years ago I asked neighbours to please stop their children screaming (it had been going on for hours). They said they'd ask them but didn't think they would agree to stop. Yep "ah, the good old days " -- Regards, Hugh Jampton |
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On 9 July, 19:15, "John" wrote:
"The Medway Handyman" wrote in media.com... John wrote: I seem to have started to attract some door bell ringing from the local youths on the skulk home from school. I ignore it - but it has escalated into them coming up to the windows and knocking on them (to really impress their mates) I am thinking of leaving a video camera running in the house - positioned in such a way that no-one just walking past on the pavement will be caught in shot. Then if I get a picture of a face at the window I can show it to my local Community Police Boy. Any legal issues that you can imagine? Anyone at the window will be 15 feet onto my property. Do you not have a wall/fence/gate? -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk Not permitted - open plan fronts in deeds. Pyrocantha, lots of pyrocantha. And brambles, with long grass with plenty of dog **** hidden in it! |
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I seem to have started to attract some door bell ringing from the local
youths on the skulk home from school. I ignore it - but it has escalated into them coming up to the windows and knocking on them (to really impress their mates) If you're married, you could always suggest they're peeping toms to plod... |
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"John" wrote in message ... I seem to have started to attract some door bell ringing from the local youths on the skulk home from school. I ignore it - but it has escalated into them coming up to the windows and knocking on them (to really impress their mates) I am thinking of leaving a video camera running in the house - positioned in such a way that no-one just walking past on the pavement will be caught in shot. Then if I get a picture of a face at the window I can show it to my local Community Police Boy. Any legal issues that you can imagine? Anyone at the window will be 15 feet onto my property. 1) Wait until they appear again behind the door. 2) Upon them entering your property open door and confront them about trespass. 3) Take pics of the more persistent offenders and produce as evidence to the local "Wannabee" Police (PCOs) and local council to deal with as nuisance. 4) More drastic action...................Obtain a good shotgun with 30 shot cartridges (Or blanks) and launch a volley over their heads.............although it *might* attract the wrong sort of Police presence ;-) |
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On 9 July, 21:07, Limey Lurker wrote:
On 9 July, 19:15, "John" wrote: "The Medway Handyman" wrote in media.com... John wrote: I seem to have started to attract some door bell ringing from the local youths on the skulk home from school. I ignore it - but it has escalated into them coming up to the windows and knocking on them (to really impress their mates) I am thinking of leaving a video camera running in the house - positioned in such a way that no-one just walking past on the pavement will be caught in shot. Then if I get a picture of a face at the window I can show it to my local Community Police Boy. Any legal issues that you can imagine? Anyone at the window will be 15 feet onto my property. Do you not have a wall/fence/gate? -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk Not permitted - open plan fronts in deeds. Pyrocantha, lots of pyrocantha. And brambles, with long grass with plenty of dog **** hidden in it! They just set pyro on fire! Better with the thorny version Pyrocantha |
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On 9 July, 14:48, "John" wrote:
I seem to have started to attract some door bell ringing from the local youths What have you done to attract kids to ring your doorbell anyway? Is it a normal doorbell? OR Is it a big gong type thing? I have been thinking about this for a while now and i think you should set up some sort of trap for the wee ****s. They push the button and dunk...remote camera kicks in!! A bowling ball rolls onto your oversizes guttering and round the house falls off onto the extension where a see-saw is waiting to be activated up goes the fireworks which attract the neighbourhood watch.... the wee **** has moved away from the door and tripped the lazer beam which activates the explosives at the gate, problem solved! |
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John wrote:
I seem to have started to attract some door bell ringing from the local youths on the skulk home from school. I ignore it - but it has escalated into them coming up to the windows and knocking on them (to really impress their mates) I am thinking of leaving a video camera running in the house - positioned in such a way that no-one just walking past on the pavement will be caught in shot. Then if I get a picture of a face at the window I can show it to my local Community Police Boy. Any legal issues that you can imagine? Anyone at the window will be 15 feet onto my property. You could try the 'Mosquito' which is a sound at 17KHZ. It's a high pitch tone (high frequency tone) that adults can't hear, and kids hate. --- zaax Frustration casues accidents: allow faster traffic to overtake. |
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On Jul 10, 1:48 am, "John" wrote:
I seem to have started to attract some door bell ringing from the local youths on the skulk home from school. I ignore it - but it has escalated into them coming up to the windows and knocking on them (to really impress their mates) A cheap solution is a dummy video camera (with a flashing red light on it) above the door so it can be seen easily. A continuously recording video camera is great if you know the time an incident happened but otherwise it's a pain to search through hours of recording. Best would be a camera that records on your computer when it detects movement. A local shopkeeper borrowed a video camera which got a good picture of a tagger's face, which he then put in the window of his shop. Helpful locals told him the name and address of the tagger, and that was written on the picture. There's been no tagging since. |
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Tommy wrote:
On 9 July, 14:48, "John" wrote: I seem to have started to attract some door bell ringing from the local youths on the skulk home from school. I ignore it - but it has escalated into them coming up to the windows and knocking on them (to really impress their mates) I am thinking of leaving a video camera running in the house - positioned in such a way that no-one just walking past on the pavement will be caught in shot. Then if I get a picture of a face at the window I can show it to my local Community Police Boy. Any legal issues that you can imagine? Anyone at the window will be 15 feet onto my property. Put yourself in their shoes, what would scare the **** out of you are stop you being a nuisance? Tell em you have AIDS and will sneeze on them., |
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Hugh Jampton wrote:
. Something *must* be done to stop kids ruling the Country and always being right. Well vote out Nu Laber then. A more accurate description of them I have not heard ;-) |
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Tommy wrote:
On 9 July, 14:48, "John" wrote: I seem to have started to attract some door bell ringing from the local youths What have you done to attract kids to ring your doorbell anyway? Is it a normal doorbell? OR Is it a big gong type thing? I have been thinking about this for a while now and i think you should set up some sort of trap for the wee ****s. They push the button and dunk...remote camera kicks in!! A bowling ball rolls onto your oversizes guttering and round the house falls off onto the extension where a see-saw is waiting to be activated up goes the fireworks which attract the neighbourhood watch.... the wee **** has moved away from the door and tripped the lazer beam which activates the explosives at the gate, problem solved! Nah. Wire up the bell push to a couple of 100W amps and the sound of a police siren.. |
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"ARWadsworth" wrote in message
om... "Kaptain Kremin" wrote in message ... John wrote in message ... Snip Get real - the school are not interested in what goes on beyond their boundary! Times may have changed but they certainly were when I was at school (back when Noah was a lad). As far as they were concerned, if you had any part of your uniform on you were recognisable as "an ambassador of the school" and were expected to behave accordingly. ah, the good old days http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/n...re/8142428.stm Good old days? Battle Royale |
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... Snip What have you done to attract kids to ring your doorbell anyway? Is it a normal doorbell? OR Is it a big gong type thing? I have been thinking about this for a while now and i think you should set up some sort of trap for the wee cnuts. They push the button and dunk...remote camera kicks in!! A bowling ball rolls onto your oversizes guttering and round the house falls off onto the extension where a see-saw is waiting to be activated up goes the fireworks which attract the neighbourhood watch.... the wee cnut has moved away from the door and tripped the lazer beam which activates the explosives at the gate, problem solved! It'll never work, he's not allowed to have a gate :-) HTH KK |
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writes You could try the 'Mosquito' which is a sound at 17KHZ. It's a high pitch tone (high frequency tone) that adults can't hear, and kids hate. Oy, don't you be encouraging that sort of thing, it's not all adults that can't hear it. --- zaax Frustration casues accidents: allow faster traffic to overtake. -- Clint Sharp |
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"Kaptain Kremin" wrote in message om... Tommy wrote in message ... Snip What have you done to attract kids to ring your doorbell anyway? Is it a normal doorbell? OR Is it a big gong type thing? I have been thinking about this for a while now and i think you should set up some sort of trap for the wee cnuts. They push the button and dunk...remote camera kicks in!! A bowling ball rolls onto your oversizes guttering and round the house falls off onto the extension where a see-saw is waiting to be activated up goes the fireworks which attract the neighbourhood watch.... the wee cnut has moved away from the door and tripped the lazer beam which activates the explosives at the gate, problem solved! It'll never work, he's not allowed to have a gate :-) These restrictions don't stop moats. |
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"Kaptain Kremin" wrote in message om... Snip It'll never work, he's not allowed to have a gate :-) These restrictions don't stop moats. but, surely the drawbridge would fall foul of the regulations? KK |
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"Kaptain Kremin" wrote in message om... Tommy wrote in message ... Snip What have you done to attract kids to ring your doorbell anyway? Is it a normal doorbell? OR Is it a big gong type thing? I have been thinking about this for a while now and i think you should set up some sort of trap for the wee cnuts. They push the button and dunk...remote camera kicks in!! A bowling ball rolls onto your oversizes guttering and round the house falls off onto the extension where a see-saw is waiting to be activated up goes the fireworks which attract the neighbourhood watch.... the wee cnut has moved away from the door and tripped the lazer beam which activates the explosives at the gate, problem solved! It'll never work, he's not allowed to have a gate :-) These restrictions don't stop moats. He's not a tory MP though, he would have to meet the cost himself... -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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"Matty F" wrote I seem to have started to attract some door bell ringing from the local youths on the skulk home from school. I ignore it - but it has escalated into them coming up to the windows and knocking on them (to really impress their mates) A cheap solution is a dummy video camera (with a flashing red light on it) above the door so it can be seen easily. A continuously recording video camera is great if you know the time an incident happened but otherwise it's a pain to search through hours of recording. Best would be a camera that records on your computer when it detects movement. A local shopkeeper borrowed a video camera which got a good picture of a tagger's face, which he then put in the window of his shop. Helpful locals told him the name and address of the tagger, and that was written on the picture. There's been no tagging since. Tagging? Method to improve organisation of images in database? |
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"John" wrote John wrote: I seem to have started to attract some door bell ringing from the local youths on the skulk home from school. I ignore it - but it has escalated into them coming up to the windows and knocking on them (to really impress their mates) I am thinking of leaving a video camera running in the house - positioned in such a way that no-one just walking past on the pavement will be caught in shot. Then if I get a picture of a face at the window I can show it to my local Community Police Boy. Any legal issues that you can imagine? Anyone at the window will be 15 feet onto my property. Do you not have a wall/fence/gate? -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk Not permitted - open plan fronts in deeds. Our property has similar restrictions. When we moved in (2002) there were 20' high blue lawson conifers right round the boundary which overhung the highway footpath by upto 6'. Made it impassable in places. Many other properties also have hedges on the boundary although not as unruly as ours. We have since had all the conifers removed, and replaced some with fencing and some with more decorative hedging. Our deeds also exclude the erection of fencing and hedging on the boundary, but my understanding is that this would be a condition made by the builder to try to keep the area "all the same" during the development phase. The fact that our actions removed overgrown and obstructive fir trees and cleared the adjacent path we saw as a positive, as did all of our neighbours. In our area, planning permission is necessary to erect a fence within 2m of a boundary. This permission was obtained with the condition that the fence is set 500mm from the boundary and agreed planting scheme adopted between fence and public footpath. I suspect that it would be possible for the erecton of the fence to be challenged based on the original stipulation in the deeds, but I believe that this would involve the complainant registering the issue with the original builder. As the place was built 30 years ago, he's probably hung up his trowel long since - IANAL!!! Phil |
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zaax wrote: You could try the 'Mosquito' which is a sound at 17KHZ. It's a high pitch tone (high frequency tone) that adults can't hear, and kids hate. Plenty of adults can hear 17kHz. -- *White with a hint of M42* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Nuisance youths
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 15:14:49 -0700 (PDT), Tommy wrote:
I seem to have started to attract some door bell ringing from the local youths What have you done to attract kids to ring your doorbell anyway? That was going through my mind as well, no "reward" no point in ringing the bell. "Reward" is in the eyes of the kids, answering the door is "reward" to them. It could also be "revenge" for telling 'em to get off your front garden, once, four weeks ago... Talk to the school, they will almost certainly have a very good idea who it is, every school has it's known bad eggs. As others have said in uniform they are "ambassadors of the school" and most schools don't like their pupils behaing badly in uniform. Or is this one of those schools that don't have a unifrom and let the little beggers run riot to "express their individuality". I'd also take a very detailed look at the the covenants. If it only excludes gates, walls and fences, plant a nice prickly hedge. -- Cheers Dave. |
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Nuisance youths
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:48:36 +0100, "John"
wrote: I seem to have started to attract some door bell ringing from the local youths on the skulk home from school. I ignore it - but it has escalated into them coming up to the windows and knocking on them (to really impress their mates) I am thinking of leaving a video camera running in the house - positioned in such a way that no-one just walking past on the pavement will be caught in shot. Then if I get a picture of a face at the window I can show it to my local Community Police Boy. Any legal issues that you can imagine? Anyone at the window will be 15 feet onto my property. Ideally arrange to have the pcso visiting at that time they call round. Seeing the policer inside as they knock on will scare the little darlings hopefully. You can ask her there under the pretext of how to get them to stop. Shame you can't get boiling oil activated droppers set off by the doorbell really. Put camera going in window for 5 mins before and until they've done if you can't get the pcso to visit. -- http://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk http://www.holidayunder100.co.uk |
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