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I've just spent a few days in a holiday let in Cornwall, where the heating
and hot water was provided by an elderly-ish boiler which was unfamiliar to me. Since one of the days was wet, and there was little point in going out, I decided to investigate and take a few pictures - as one does(!) The boiler was installed under a kitchen work-top, and was about the same size as a dishwasher. On the front it said "Worcester Heatslave 2+", and the model number shown on the rating plate inside was 30/42B - as can be seen from: http://www.mills37.plus.com/boiler_front.JPG and http://www.mills37.plus.com/boiler_plate.JPG Inside - in addition to the heat exchanger, gas valve, etc. - was a lagged hot water tank, a pump and (according to the circuit diagram) a motorised valve - although I couldn't see that, so it was probably behind the control panel (which I didn't think I'd better dismantle!). The inside looks like: http://www.mills37.plus.com/boiler_inside.JPG A Google search on the GC# shown on the rating plate led to a record in the Sedbuk database, as follows: "001112,000005,Thorn EMI Heating,Thorn EMI Heating,Marathon,30/42b,4178945,,1983,1,1,1,1,1,2,1,8.8,12.3,,,65,3,,0 ,2,1,20,0,0,,0,0,,,,,,,,2000/Feb/28 09:58" I don't know what the column headings are, but Thorn EMI is presumably the manufacturer, 30/42B the model, and 1983 the year of manufacture (there is other evidence that that's when the flat was built - so seems reasonable). On the back of the door there was a manufacturer's contact number starting with 0905 (Worcester, before the '1' was later inserted). I presume that Thorn EMI were using the 'Worcester' brand in the 1980's. Is there any connection between this and Worcester-Bosch? I'm not sure whether or not the boiler is a combi - anyone care to hazard a guess? The primary side is vented, with a small F&E tank in a cupboard. I could find no header tank for the DHW - which appeared to come out of the taps at mains pressure. There was also no hot cylinder external to the boiler - but I guess that the internal tank held several gallons. If you turned the boiler stat up to High, you could get a reasonable bath fairly quickly before the water ran cold. Are there any boiler archaeologists out there who can shed any light on this beast? -- Cheers, Roger ______ Email address maintained for newsgroup use only, and not regularly monitored.. Messages sent to it may not be read for several weeks. PLEASE REPLY TO NEWSGROUP! |
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Roger Mills wrote:
I've just spent a few days in a holiday let in Cornwall, where the heating and hot water was provided by an elderly-ish boiler which was unfamiliar to me. Since one of the days was wet, and there was little point in going out, I decided to investigate and take a few pictures - as one does(!) The boiler was installed under a kitchen work-top, and was about the same size as a dishwasher. On the front it said "Worcester Heatslave 2+", and the model number shown on the rating plate inside was 30/42B - as can be seen from: http://www.mills37.plus.com/boiler_front.JPG and http://www.mills37.plus.com/boiler_plate.JPG Inside - in addition to the heat exchanger, gas valve, etc. - was a lagged hot water tank, a pump and (according to the circuit diagram) a motorised valve - although I couldn't see that, so it was probably behind the control panel (which I didn't think I'd better dismantle!). The inside looks like: http://www.mills37.plus.com/boiler_inside.JPG A Google search on the GC# shown on the rating plate led to a record in the Sedbuk database, as follows: "001112,000005,Thorn EMI Heating,Thorn EMI Heating,Marathon,30/42b,4178945,,1983,1,1,1,1,1,2,1,8.8,12.3,,,65,3,,0 ,2,1,20,0,0,,0,0,,,,,,,,2000/Feb/28 09:58" I don't know what the column headings are, but Thorn EMI is presumably the manufacturer, 30/42B the model, and 1983 the year of manufacture (there is other evidence that that's when the flat was built - so seems reasonable). On the back of the door there was a manufacturer's contact number starting with 0905 (Worcester, before the '1' was later inserted). I presume that Thorn EMI were using the 'Worcester' brand in the 1980's. Is there any connection between this and Worcester-Bosch? I'm not sure whether or not the boiler is a combi - anyone care to hazard a guess? The primary side is vented, with a small F&E tank in a cupboard. I could find no header tank for the DHW - which appeared to come out of the taps at mains pressure. There was also no hot cylinder external to the boiler - but I guess that the internal tank held several gallons. If you turned the boiler stat up to High, you could get a reasonable bath fairly quickly before the water ran cold. Are there any boiler archaeologists out there who can shed any light on this beast? The internal picture shown several similarities with my Thorn M44/54. I've owned it since 1982 and it was in the house prior to the conversion to natural gas in the Southampton area when ever that was. It is still going strong and is a doddle to maintain and spares still available. I aslo have aspare one in the garage that I've not needed to canibalise yet. Bob |
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writes I've just spent a few days in a holiday let in Cornwall, where the heating and hot water was provided by an elderly-ish boiler which was unfamiliar to me. Since one of the days was wet, and there was little point in going out, I decided to investigate and take a few pictures - as one does(!) The boiler was installed under a kitchen work-top, and was about the same size as a dishwasher. On the front it said "Worcester Heatslave 2+", and the model number shown on the rating plate inside was 30/42B - as can be seen from: http://www.mills37.plus.com/boiler_front.JPG and http://www.mills37.plus.com/boiler_plate.JPG Inside - in addition to the heat exchanger, gas valve, etc. - was a lagged hot water tank, a pump and (according to the circuit diagram) a motorised valve - although I couldn't see that, so it was probably behind the control panel (which I didn't think I'd better dismantle!). The inside looks like: http://www.mills37.plus.com/boiler_inside.JPG A Google search on the GC# shown on the rating plate led to a record in the Sedbuk database, as follows: "001112,000005,Thorn EMI Heating,Thorn EMI Heating,Marathon,30/42b,4178945,,1983,1,1,1,1,1,2,1,8.8,12.3,,,65,3,,0 ,2 ,1,20,0,0,,0,0,,,,,,,,2000/Feb/28 09:58" I don't know what the column headings are, but Thorn EMI is presumably the manufacturer, 30/42B the model, and 1983 the year of manufacture (there is other evidence that that's when the flat was built - so seems reasonable). On the back of the door there was a manufacturer's contact number starting with 0905 (Worcester, before the '1' was later inserted). I presume that Thorn EMI were using the 'Worcester' brand in the 1980's. Is there any connection between this and Worcester-Bosch? I'm not sure whether or not the boiler is a combi - anyone care to hazard a guess? The primary side is vented, with a small F&E tank in a cupboard. I could find no header tank for the DHW - which appeared to come out of the taps at mains pressure. There was also no hot cylinder external to the boiler - but I guess that the internal tank held several gallons. If you turned the boiler stat up to High, you could get a reasonable bath fairly quickly before the water ran cold. Are there any boiler archaeologists out there who can shed any light on this beast? As you say, its a Worcester (9.24?) Heatslave, a fairly common boiler in its day Prolly got a manual for it somewhere -- geoff |
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In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Bob Minchin wrote: The internal picture shown several similarities with my Thorn M44/54. I've owned it since 1982 and it was in the house prior to the conversion to natural gas in the Southampton area when ever that was. It is still going strong and is a doddle to maintain and spares still available. I aslo have aspare one in the garage that I've not needed to canibalise yet. Bob Blimey, that could be old then! I don't know how long it took to convert the whole country, or when in the proceedings Southampton was converted, but my area (Warwick) was done in about 1969. [I know because I bought a new (just built) house in 1968, and installed central heating in it in the spring of 1969. Conversion had *just* taken place - so I was able to install a NG boiler without having to have a TG boiler converted]. -- Cheers, Roger ______ Email address maintained for newsgroup use only, and not regularly monitored.. Messages sent to it may not be read for several weeks. PLEASE REPLY TO NEWSGROUP! |
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On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:30:28 +0100, Roger Mills wrote:
I've just spent a few days in a holiday let in Cornwall, where the heating and hot water was provided by an elderly-ish boiler which was unfamiliar to me. Since one of the days was wet, and there was little point in going out, I decided to investigate and take a few pictures - as one does(!) The boiler was installed under a kitchen work-top, and was about the same size as a dishwasher. On the front it said "Worcester Heatslave 2+", and the model number shown on the rating plate inside was 30/42B - as can be seen from: http://www.mills37.plus.com/boiler_front.JPG and http://www.mills37.plus.com/boiler_plate.JPG Inside - in addition to the heat exchanger, gas valve, etc. - was a lagged hot water tank, a pump and (according to the circuit diagram) a motorised valve - although I couldn't see that, so it was probably behind the control panel (which I didn't think I'd better dismantle!). The inside looks like: http://www.mills37.plus.com/boiler_inside.JPG A Google search on the GC# shown on the rating plate led to a record in the Sedbuk database, as follows: "001112,000005,Thorn EMI Heating,Thorn EMI Heating,Marathon .... On the back of the door there was a manufacturer's contact number starting with 0905 (Worcester, before the '1' was later inserted). I presume that Thorn EMI were using the 'Worcester' brand in the 1980's. Is there any connection between this and Worcester-Bosch? The typography of the lettering on the front is like that on some early Worcester (as in Bosch) wall-hung boilers, so the GC number mapping to a Thorn EMI Marathon (which was indeed a floor-standing boiler - my mum had one until recently) does suggest some sort of transfer of business from Thorn EMI to Worcester. Which is odd as I thought Thorn EMI became Ideal. Maybe they split the storage-combi business off and Worcester bought that bit and the conventional boiler side became Ideal? I'd guess that this unit was made after the transfer of business so it was the same GC number with a bit of badge engineering. I'm not sure whether or not the boiler is a combi - anyone care to hazard a guess? Not a combi as such: the heat input (15kW max) is too small for that. More a storage combi with a small store of DHW augmented by the rather puny output of the boiler itself. -- John Stumbles -- http://yaph.co.uk How odd of God But not so odd as those who choose To choose the Jews A Jewish god, yet spurn the Jews |
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In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
geoff wrote: As you say, its a Worcester (9.24?) Heatslave, a fairly common boiler in its day Prolly got a manual for it somewhere So is it a combi - or is its internal tank supposed to take the place of a normal hot water cylinder? According to the rating plate, the max heat output is around 11kW - which sounds pretty weedy in modern combi terms if it's supposed to deliver 'instant' hot water. Did Bosch take over the Worcester brand from Thorn EMI, or is there no connection? -- Cheers, Roger ______ Email address maintained for newsgroup use only, and not regularly monitored.. Messages sent to it may not be read for several weeks. PLEASE REPLY TO NEWSGROUP! |
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writes In an earlier contribution to this discussion, geoff wrote: As you say, its a Worcester (9.24?) Heatslave, a fairly common boiler in its day Prolly got a manual for it somewhere So is it a combi - Doesn't look like it - dunno, it looks like its pre electronic, so our paths won't have crossed. There are several later versions which do or is its internal tank supposed to take the place of a normal hot water cylinder? According to the rating plate, the max heat output is around 11kW - which sounds pretty weedy in modern combi terms if it's supposed to deliver 'instant' hot water. Did Bosch take over the Worcester brand from Thorn EMI, or is there no connection? They have mostly been in bed with each other at some point Thorn to Worcester - dunno Thorn and Myson have been married in the past Stelrad were taken over by Ideal Baxi own Potterton Bosch bought out Worcester Other than that ... life's too short -- bumsnase |
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On 21 June, 20:30, "Roger Mills" wrote:
I've just spent a few days in a holiday let in Cornwall, where the heating and hot water was provided by an elderly-ish boiler which was unfamiliar to me. Since one of the days was wet, and there was little point in going out, I decided to investigate and take a few pictures - as one does(!) ****ing hell, what's the next excursion? A trip to north wales to rod the drains and provide schematics for sewage system?? |
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" writes: ****ing hell, what's the next excursion? A trip to north wales to rod the drains and provide schematics for sewage system?? Yesterday morning, parents call up. "What time are you arriving for lunch?" followed by "Could you buy a new set of drain rods on the way" so I had a small detour via B&Q (unsuitable drain rod set) and then Screwfix. Took longer that I thought, as there turned out to be two different tree root blockages about 8m apart, which meant the lamb was slightly overcooked by the time I was finished, but still very nice. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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... In article , " writes: ****ing hell, what's the next excursion? A trip to north wales to rod the drains and provide schematics for sewage system?? Yesterday morning, parents call up. "What time are you arriving for lunch?" followed by "Could you buy a new set of drain rods on the way" so I had a small detour via B&Q (unsuitable drain rod set) and then Screwfix. Took longer that I thought, as there turned out to be two different tree root blockages about 8m apart, which meant the lamb was slightly overcooked by the time I was finished, but still very nice. Especially with that unmistakable and characteristic whiff of drains about you, no doubt! -- Bob Mannix (anti-spam is as easy as 1-2-3 - not) |
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In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
YAPH wrote: The typography of the lettering on the front is like that on some early Worcester (as in Bosch) wall-hung boilers, so the GC number mapping to a Thorn EMI Marathon (which was indeed a floor-standing boiler - my mum had one until recently) does suggest some sort of transfer of business from Thorn EMI to Worcester. Which is odd as I thought Thorn EMI became Ideal. Maybe they split the storage-combi business off and Worcester bought that bit and the conventional boiler side became Ideal? I'd guess that this unit was made after the transfer of business so it was the same GC number with a bit of badge engineering. Further research indicates that Bosch took over Worcester in 1992 - so this particular boiler pre-dates the takeover by almost 10 years. It does actually refer to Thorn EMI inside - so I'm pretty sure that they made it, without any 'badge engineering' being necessary. I don't know about Ideal - maybe others will. Geoff indicated that Thorn EMI and Bosch had been in bed together - which is borne out by references to collaboration on HDTV systems etc., if you Google on that combination of companies. -- Cheers, Roger ______ Email address maintained for newsgroup use only, and not regularly monitored.. Messages sent to it may not be read for several weeks. PLEASE REPLY TO NEWSGROUP! |
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On 22 June, 02:21, "
wrote: On 21 June, 20:30, "Roger Mills" wrote: I've just spent a few days in a holiday let in Cornwall, where the heating and hot water was provided by an elderly-ish boiler which was unfamiliar to me. Since one of the days was wet, and there was little point in going out, I decided to investigate and take a few pictures - as one does(!) ****ing hell, what's the next excursion? A trip to north wales to rod the drains and provide schematics for sewage system?? There's a fine line between interesting and nerdy. Of course I'm always on the right side of that line ! Simon. |
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"geoff" wrote in message ... They have mostly been in bed with each other at some point Thorn to Worcester - dunno Thorn and Myson have been married in the past Stelrad were taken over by Ideal Baxi own Potterton Bosch bought out Worcester Other than that ... life's too short Fantastic Maxie, fantastic! What a man! People like you are superb. Yes, superb. A breath of fresh air. Myson bought Thorn EMI Heating in January 1986 Blue Circle Industries bought Birmid Qualcast in 1988 Blue Circle acquired Myson in 1990 Baxi bought Blue Circle's heating division in 2000 |
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In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Doctor Drivel wrote: "geoff" wrote in message ... They have mostly been in bed with each other at some point Thorn to Worcester - dunno Thorn and Myson have been married in the past Stelrad were taken over by Ideal Baxi own Potterton Bosch bought out Worcester Other than that ... life's too short Fantastic Maxie, fantastic! What a man! People like you are superb. Yes, superb. A breath of fresh air. Myson bought Thorn EMI Heating in January 1986 Blue Circle Industries bought Birmid Qualcast in 1988 Blue Circle acquired Myson in 1990 Baxi bought Blue Circle's heating division in 2000 .. . . which throws no light whatsoever on Thorn EMI's ownership of the 'Worcester' brand, and it's subsequent transfer to Bosch! -- Cheers, Roger ______ Email address maintained for newsgroup use only, and not regularly monitored.. Messages sent to it may not be read for several weeks. PLEASE REPLY TO NEWSGROUP! |
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Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article , " writes: ****ing hell, what's the next excursion? A trip to north wales to rod the drains and provide schematics for sewage system?? Yesterday morning, parents call up. "What time are you arriving for lunch?" followed by "Could you buy a new set of drain rods on the way" No such thing as a free lunch - as they say. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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"YAPH" wrote in message ... A Google search on the GC# shown on the rating plate led to a record in the Sedbuk database, as follows: "001112,000005,Thorn EMI Heating,Thorn EMI Heating,Marathon ... On the back of the door there was a manufacturer's contact number starting with 0905 (Worcester, before the '1' was later inserted). I presume that Thorn EMI were using the 'Worcester' brand in the 1980's. Is there any connection between this and Worcester-Bosch? The typography of the lettering on the front is like that on some early Worcester (as in Bosch) wall-hung boilers, so the GC number mapping to a Thorn EMI Marathon (which was indeed a floor-standing boiler - my mum had one until recently) does suggest some sort of transfer of business from Thorn EMI to Worcester. It is a Worcester Heatslave - it says on the box. They used the Thorn boiler because it was very slim for the time and could fit in the box. It was the first combi in the UK in the 1970s. I forget the operation. It may have been a thermal store coil inside or maybe an external bubble type of heat exchanger to heat the water instantly. They were used in flats and the larger burners in some houses. They were reliable enough but expensive - but cheap if the tanks and cylinder in a system are eliminated in an system. It suffered from ignorance by bathroom changing plumbers, who never understood it - nothing has changed - and were put off by the high price of the "box", not doing the sums for the whole system, which case it was cheaper. The Heatslave went through many serious improvements as combis improved spurred by Vaillant, and the name today only applies to an oil combi I believe. Parts are pretty well available today, well the main control parts. |
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Doctor Drivel wrote: It is a Worcester Heatslave - it says on the box. They used the Thorn boiler because it was very slim for the time and could fit in the box. It was the first combi in the UK in the 1970s. I forget the operation. It may have been a thermal store coil inside or maybe an external bubble type of heat exchanger to heat the water instantly. They were used in flats and the larger burners in some houses. They were reliable enough but expensive - but cheap if the tanks and cylinder in a system are eliminated in an system. It suffered from ignorance by bathroom changing plumbers, who never understood it - nothing has changed - and were put off by the high price of the "box", not doing the sums for the whole system, which case it was cheaper. You jest, I assume? Go to any 'bathroom changing plumber' these days and they will want to fit a combi - as a few of my pals have found out to their regret. -- *Why do psychics have to ask you for your name? * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Jun 21, 8:30*pm, "Roger Mills" wrote:
I've just spent a few days in a holiday let in Cornwall, where the heating and hot water was provided by an elderly-ish boiler which was unfamiliar to me. Since one of the days was wet, and there was little point in going out, I decided to investigate and take a few pictures - as one does(!) You need to get out more - even if it is raining. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Doctor Drivel wrote: It is a Worcester Heatslave - it says on the box. They used the Thorn boiler because it was very slim for the time and could fit in the box. It was the first combi in the UK in the 1970s. I forget the operation. It may have been a thermal store coil inside or maybe an external bubble type of heat exchanger to heat the water instantly. They were used in flats and the larger burners in some houses. They were reliable enough but expensive - but cheap if the tanks and cylinder in a system are eliminated in an system. It suffered from ignorance by bathroom changing plumbers, who never understood it - nothing has changed - and were put off by the high price of the "box", not doing the sums for the whole system, which case it was cheaper. You Please eff off as you a total plantpot. |
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Man at B&Q wrote: On Jun 21, 8:30 pm, "Roger Mills" wrote: I've just spent a few days in a holiday let in Cornwall, where the heating and hot water was provided by an elderly-ish boiler which was unfamiliar to me. Since one of the days was wet, and there was little point in going out, I decided to investigate and take a few pictures - as one does(!) You need to get out more - even if it is raining. Yes, sad, isn't it?! g -- Cheers, Roger ______ Email address maintained for newsgroup use only, and not regularly monitored.. Messages sent to it may not be read for several weeks. PLEASE REPLY TO NEWSGROUP! |
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"Bob Mannix" writes: "Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message ... Yesterday morning, parents call up. "What time are you arriving for lunch?" followed by "Could you buy a new set of drain rods on the way" so I had a small detour via B&Q (unsuitable drain rod set) and then Screwfix. Took longer that I thought, as there turned out to be two different tree root blockages about 8m apart, which meant the lamb was slightly overcooked by the time I was finished, but still very nice. Especially with that unmistakable and characteristic whiff of drains about you, no doubt! Yes, just as we sat down, mum said "oh, I didn't make any gravy". I said not to worry -- seen enough gravy for one day already. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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In an earlier contribution to this discussion, Doctor Drivel wrote: "geoff" wrote in message ... They have mostly been in bed with each other at some point Thorn to Worcester - dunno Thorn and Myson have been married in the past Stelrad were taken over by Ideal Baxi own Potterton Bosch bought out Worcester Other than that ... life's too short Fantastic Maxie, fantastic! What a man! People like you are superb. Yes, superb. A breath of fresh air. Myson bought Thorn EMI Heating in January 1986 Blue Circle Industries bought Birmid Qualcast in 1988 Blue Circle acquired Myson in 1990 Baxi bought Blue Circle's heating division in 2000 . . . which throws no light whatsoever on Thorn EMI's ownership of the 'Worcester' brand, and it's subsequent transfer to Bosch! Well of course not - that would have meant dribble actually answered a question - and that could have blown his reputation! -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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"John Rumm" wrote in message o.uk... Roger Mills wrote: In an earlier contribution to this discussion, Doctor Drivel wrote: "geoff" wrote in message ... They have mostly been in bed with each other at some point Thorn to Worcester - dunno Thorn and Myson have been married in the past Stelrad were taken over by Ideal Baxi own Potterton Bosch bought out Worcester Other than that ... life's too short Fantastic Maxie, fantastic! What a man! People like you are superb. Yes, superb. A breath of fresh air. Myson bought Thorn EMI Heating in January 1986 Blue Circle Industries bought Birmid Qualcast in 1988 Blue Circle acquired Myson in 1990 Baxi bought Blue Circle's heating division in 2000 . . . which throws no light whatsoever on Thorn EMI's ownership of the 'Worcester' brand, and it's subsequent transfer to Bosch! Well of course not - that would have meant dribble actually answered a question - and that could have blown his reputation! This man is a Chav from Essex. Yes. |
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On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:11:30 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
You jest, I assume? Go to any 'bathroom changing plumber' these days and they will want to fit a combi - as a few of my pals have found out to their regret. That's these days. With respect to Drivel he was talking about 3 decades ago. How many audio engineers would have gone for digital in those days? -- John Stumbles -- http://yaph.co.uk It's bad luck to be superstitious. |
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YAPH wrote: On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:11:30 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: You jest, I assume? Go to any 'bathroom changing plumber' these days and they will want to fit a combi - as a few of my pals have found out to their regret. That's these days. With respect to Drivel he was talking about 3 decades ago. How many audio engineers would have gone for digital in those days? He as usual suggested that they made the wrong decision *then* not to *change* to a combi. It's still often a wrong decision. -- *We are born naked, wet, and hungry. Then things get worse. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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YAPH wrote: That's these days. With respect to Drivel he was talking about 3 decades ago. How many audio engineers would have gone for digital in those days? Go for digital 3 decades ago? Most. Digital workstations and PCM recorders were around by them - and like all such things welcomed with gusto. Audio types love their toys. -- *Succeed, in spite of management * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:16:49 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , YAPH wrote: That's these days. With respect to Drivel he was talking about 3 decades ago. How many audio engineers would have gone for digital in those days? Go for digital 3 decades ago? Most. Digital workstations and PCM recorders were around by them - and like all such things welcomed with gusto. Audio types love their toys. Fair enough, it was a bad example. Not that plumbing types are any less fond of their toys, but kit we install in punters' houses and only get to play with if it goes wrong isn't our idea of fun toys. In that respect the 'bathroom changing plumbers' Drivel derided were right: at the time when combis hadn't proved their reliability any installer making a living from their work would be justified in avoiding them in favour of proven technology, whether they understood them or not. Nowadays combis are a hard to beat on price, performance and reliability so many engineers who know perfectly well how to build a 'proper' hot water system still install combis where they're appropriate to the size of house, size of household, and size of householder's budget. There are also 'bathroom changing plumbers' who don't know any better who install them regardless of whether they're appropriate. -- John Stumbles -- http://yaph.co.uk Death is nature's way of telling you to slow down |
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YAPH wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:16:49 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , YAPH wrote: That's these days. With respect to Drivel he was talking about 3 decades ago. How many audio engineers would have gone for digital in those days? Go for digital 3 decades ago? Most. Digital workstations and PCM recorders were around by them - and like all such things welcomed with gusto. Audio types love their toys. Fair enough, it was a bad example. Not that plumbing types are any less fond of their toys, but kit we install in punters' houses and only get to play with if it goes wrong isn't our idea of fun toys. I can see that. In that respect the 'bathroom changing plumbers' Drivel derided were right: at the time when combis hadn't proved their reliability any installer making a living from their work would be justified in avoiding them in favour of proven technology, whether they understood them or not. My point was dribble's constant answer to any question is that a combi is the answer to everything. And has done for many a year. For a new install it might be the cheapest option. But he - like plenty others - recommend ripping out a storage system and fitting one regardless. Nowadays combis are a hard to beat on price, performance and reliability so many engineers who know perfectly well how to build a 'proper' hot water system still install combis where they're appropriate to the size of house, size of household, and size of householder's budget. There are also 'bathroom changing plumbers' who don't know any better who install them regardless of whether they're appropriate. Again, my point exactly. I don't want some plumber second guessing what will work best for me. Very few will give you the options and pros and cons - they will simply recommend what is easiest for them to fit and give the biggest profit. Which is why a group like this is very worthwhile. If you ignore dribble. ;-) -- *On the other hand, you have different fingers* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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... In article , YAPH wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:16:49 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , YAPH wrote: That's these days. With respect to Drivel he was talking about 3 decades ago. How many audio engineers would have gone for digital in those days? Go for digital 3 decades ago? Most. Digital workstations and PCM recorders were around by them - and like all such things welcomed with gusto. Audio types love their toys. Fair enough, it was a bad example. Not that plumbing types are any less fond of their toys, but kit we install in punters' houses and only get to play with if it goes wrong isn't our idea of fun toys. I can see that. In that respect the 'bathroom changing plumbers' Drivel derided were right: at the time when combis hadn't proved their reliability any installer making a living from their work would be justified in avoiding them in favour of proven technology, whether they understood them or not. My point was dribble's constant answer to any question is that a combi is the answer to everything. And has done for many a year. For a new install it might be the cheapest option. But he - like plenty others - recommend ripping out a storage system and fitting one regardless. Nowadays combis are a hard to beat on price, performance and reliability so many engineers who know perfectly well how to build a 'proper' hot water system still install combis where they're appropriate to the size of house, size of household, and size of householder's budget. There are also 'bathroom changing plumbers' who don't know any better who install them regardless of whether they're appropriate. Again, my point exactly. I don't want some plumber second guessing what will work best for me. Very few will give you the options and pros and cons - they will simply recommend what is easiest for them to fit and give the biggest profit. Which is why a group like this is very worthwhile. If you ignore dribble. ;-) I read this tripe, and what tripe it was. If the mains supply is suitable then a combi should be the first choice. There are high quality, two bathroom, combis around, wall and floor mounted. Amateurs don't know this. The worst setup is a cold tank in the loft and cylinder. Should be avoided at all costs. This is hilarious. Only from a total plantpot. This lunatic didn't know the difference between high and low pressure taps. He bought high pressure taps for his sink (cut the tap tails short as well) then wondered why he was only getting a dribble out of the taps. He posted here asking why. Anyone with sense would go out and buy a proper set of low pressure taps and fit them. Do a Google around July August 2006. Hilarious! He wrote.... "I had the same problem after installing a high pressure only 'mixer' tapin the kitchen" "I installed the pump under the sink. Works a treat." He put a pump under the sink to get the pressure up on the mixer instead of changing the mixer taps. Hilarious...hilarious. The best yet. "A pump on one tap". I've never heard that one. Only from a uk.d-i-y Lunatic Association (affiliated) member. Yes, you read this sort of thing here. Good for a laugh indeed. The problem is a novice might believe all this plantpot and take the advice. That is the serious and dangerous part. |
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Doctor Drivel wrote: Again, my point exactly. I don't want some plumber second guessing what will work best for me. Very few will give you the options and pros and cons - they will simply recommend what is easiest for them to fit and give the biggest profit. Which is why a group like this is very worthwhile. If you ignore dribble. ;-) I read this tripe, and what tripe it was. If the mains supply is suitable then a combi should be the first choice. I rest my case. -- *Forget about World Peace...Visualize using your turn signal. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Doctor Drivel wrote: Again, my point exactly. I don't want some plumber second guessing what will work best for me. Very few will give you the options and pros and cons - they will simply recommend what is easiest for them to fit and give the biggest profit. Which is why a group like this is very worthwhile. If you ignore dribble. ;-) I read this tripe, and what tripe it was. If the mains supply is suitable then a combi should be the first choice. I Please eff off as you are a total plantpot. |
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Doctor Drivel wrote:
"Dave Plowman Snip ramblings) The problem is a novice might believe all this plantpot and take the advice. That is the serious and dangerous part. I think most here would take Mr P's advice rather than yours any day. I certainly would. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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The Medway Handyman wrote: Doctor Drivel wrote: "Dave Plowman Snip ramblings) The problem is a novice might believe all this plantpot and take the advice. That is the serious and dangerous part. I think most here would take Mr P's advice rather than yours any day. I certainly would. Plenty more here with much more knowledge than me. But I try to give both sides as I see it - not the one size fits all so beloved of dribble. And even that changes with the wind... -- *Avoid clichés like the plague. (They're old hat.) * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message om... Doctor Drivel wrote: "Dave Plowman Snip ramblings) The problem is a novice might believe all this plantpot and take the advice. That is the serious and dangerous part. I think Don't think! You are a plantpot! |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , The Medway Handyman wrote: Doctor Drivel wrote: "Dave Plowman Snip ramblings) The problem is a novice might believe all this plantpot and take the advice. That is the serious and dangerous part. I think most here would take Mr P's advice rather than yours any day. I certainly would. Plenty Please eff off as you are a plantpot. |
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replying to Roger Mills, Sky wrote:
Hi I just saw your message do you know where this was and does anybody have a boiler like this laying around? -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/uk-diy...er-566691-.htm |
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That is not a very flattering term for the Wife, now is it?
:-) Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "Sky" m wrote in message ... replying to Roger Mills, Sky wrote: Hi I just saw your message do you know where this was and does anybody have a boiler like this laying around? -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/uk-diy...er-566691-.htm |
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: https://www.homeownershub.com/uk-diy...s-boiler-56669 1-.htm I had one in my 1988 build. A storage Combi. Gravity CH / Mains DHW. Only a 15mm gas feed. Room Vented |
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On 26/01/2019 09:49, DerbyBorn wrote:
"Brian Gaff" wrote in : https://www.homeownershub.com/uk-diy...s-boiler-56669 1-.htm I had one in my 1988 build. A storage Combi. Gravity CH / Mains DHW. Only a 15mm gas feed. Room Vented the plate says 240V AC; hope it copes with 210- 230 volts that we seem to be getting these days. I used to get 242 volts and hardly any variation up to about a decode ago, now it varies from 211 to 226 volts |
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Andrew explained on 26/01/2019 :
the plate says 240V AC; hope it copes with 210- 230 volts that we seem to be getting these days. I used to get 242 volts and hardly any variation up to about a decode ago, now it varies from 211 to 226 volts Some local issue to you then, ours has always been 240v +-2v |
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