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I have a room which has a fine built-in wardrobe all along one wall. Each of the five sliding doors has two framed panels and in each of these these is a mirror. Now this would be OK if this room was being used as a bedroom perhaps but it's now a study. So I want to apply a suitable heavy paper over the mirror inside each panel. (It so happens that the wallpaper that looks best is a heavy one.) The trouble is: wallpaper won't paste well to glass, will it? I don't want to sand the mirrors or remove them. The next occupant might like to remove the wallpaper and enjoy the mirrors again. Any ideas? Thanks, Eddy. |
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Eddy wrote:
Hi. I have a room which has a fine built-in wardrobe all along one wall. Each of the five sliding doors has two framed panels and in each of these these is a mirror. Now this would be OK if this room was being used as a bedroom perhaps but it's now a study. So I want to apply a suitable heavy paper over the mirror inside each panel. (It so happens that the wallpaper that looks best is a heavy one.) The trouble is: wallpaper won't paste well to glass, will it? I don't want to sand the mirrors or remove them. The next occupant might like to remove the wallpaper and enjoy the mirrors again. Any ideas? I think it's a really bad idea to wallpaper glass in case it gets broken in the future by someone who doesn't know it's there. Si |
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Mungo \Two Sheds\ Toadfoot wrote:
I think it's a really bad idea to wallpaper glass in case it gets broken in the future by someone who doesn't know it's there. Good thought, Si. You're obviously safety-conscious, which is good. But the paper I've selected is sturdy one, so if somebody were to press against one of the panels and crack the mirror the paper would almost certainly hide the crack and stop any slivers of glass from getting away. Also the mirrors are stuck into the wood panels by way of adhesive on their backs, so if somebody snapped one of the mirrors they wouldn't tumble down. So I don't think hiding the mirrors behind wallpaper is a problem. The problem is how to adhere the paper to the mirrors with a good finish and possible be able to remove it at a later date. Eddy. |
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Eddy wrote:
Mungo \Two Sheds\ Toadfoot wrote: I think it's a really bad idea to wallpaper glass in case it gets broken in the future by someone who doesn't know it's there. Good thought, Si. You're obviously safety-conscious, which is good. But the paper I've selected is sturdy one, so if somebody were to press against one of the panels and crack the mirror the paper would almost certainly hide the crack and stop any slivers of glass from getting away. Also the mirrors are stuck into the wood panels by way of adhesive on their backs, so if somebody snapped one of the mirrors they wouldn't tumble down. So I don't think hiding the mirrors behind wallpaper is a problem. The problem is how to adhere the paper to the mirrors with a good finish and possible be able to remove it at a later date. Eddy. Fairy nuff. I would expect normal Solvite or Polycell to do the job easily enough as long as you didn't use too much paste, but as for getting it off at a later date... well, it might get messy! PVA maybe? Si |
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Eddy wrote:
Hi. I have a room which has a fine built-in wardrobe all along one wall. Each of the five sliding doors has two framed panels and in each of these these is a mirror. Now this would be OK if this room was being used as a bedroom perhaps but it's now a study. So I want to apply a suitable heavy paper over the mirror inside each panel. (It so happens that the wallpaper that looks best is a heavy one.) The trouble is: wallpaper won't paste well to glass, will it? I don't want to sand the mirrors or remove them. The next occupant might like to remove the wallpaper and enjoy the mirrors again. Any ideas? I would use one of the temporary mount spray adhesives - the sort of thing you get in art shops for mounting things on cut'n'past boards etc. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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John Rumm writes: Eddy wrote: Hi. I have a room which has a fine built-in wardrobe all along one wall. Each of the five sliding doors has two framed panels and in each of these these is a mirror. Now this would be OK if this room was being used as a bedroom perhaps but it's now a study. So I want to apply a suitable heavy paper over the mirror inside each panel. (It so happens that the wallpaper that looks best is a heavy one.) The trouble is: wallpaper won't paste well to glass, will it? I don't want to sand the mirrors or remove them. The next occupant might like to remove the wallpaper and enjoy the mirrors again. Any ideas? I would use one of the temporary mount spray adhesives - the sort of thing you get in art shops for mounting things on cut'n'past boards etc. You can PVA glass. When the PVA has dried, I expect normal wall paper pastes would stick to it, but I haven't tried myself. You can apparently plaster onto glass if you PVA it in this way first. I share the views of others on safety. Might be better to stick sheets of hardboard on first, but even then it may be an unwelcome surprise for anyone who later decides to pull down what you've built. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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On May 14, 3:22*pm, "Mungo \"Two Sheds\" Toadfoot"
wrote: Eddy wrote: Hi. I have a room which has a fine built-in wardrobe all along one wall. Each of the five sliding doors has two framed panels and in each of these these is a mirror. * Now this would be OK if this room was being used as a bedroom perhaps but it's now a study. *So I want to apply a suitable heavy paper over the mirror inside each panel. *(It so happens that the wallpaper that looks best is a heavy one.) The trouble is: wallpaper won't paste well to glass, will it? *I don't want to sand the mirrors or remove them. *The next occupant might like to remove the wallpaper and enjoy the mirrors again. Any ideas? I think it's a really bad idea to wallpaper glass in case it gets broken in the future by someone who doesn't know it's there. Plus remember that mirrors are not made with safety glass. However, you could stick some of that plastic safety film on first. R |
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Eddy wrote: The trouble is: wallpaper won't paste well to glass, will it? I don't want to sand the mirrors or remove them. The next occupant might like to remove the wallpaper and enjoy the mirrors again. I'd guess the glue used where you overlap vinyl paper - or add a border to it would work with glass. Not cheap, though. -- *Why is it considered necessary to screw down the lid of a coffin? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Andrew Gabriel wrote:
You can PVA glass. When the PVA has dried, I expect normal wall paper pastes would stick to it, but I haven't tried myself. You can apparently plaster onto glass if you PVA it in this way first. We use PVA to glue labels onto glass bottles. It works fine. |
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"Eddy" wrote in message ... Hi. I have a room which has a fine built-in wardrobe all along one wall. Each of the five sliding doors has two framed panels and in each of these these is a mirror. Now this would be OK if this room was being used as a bedroom perhaps but it's now a study. So I want to apply a suitable heavy paper over the mirror inside each panel. (It so happens that the wallpaper that looks best is a heavy one.) The trouble is: wallpaper won't paste well to glass, will it? I don't want to sand the mirrors or remove them. The next occupant might like to remove the wallpaper and enjoy the mirrors again. Any ideas? Thanks, Eddy. I would use 1/8" MDF cut to size for each mirror, then attach to mirrors with strong double sided carpet tape - then wallpaper the (sized) mdf. You can then fairly easily rip off the mdf and remove the carpet tape with a solvent later if desired. |
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"Eddy" wrote in message ... Hi. I have a room which has a fine built-in wardrobe all along one wall. Each of the five sliding doors has two framed panels and in each of these these is a mirror. Now this would be OK if this room was being used as a bedroom perhaps but it's now a study. So I want to apply a suitable heavy paper over the mirror inside each panel. (It so happens that the wallpaper that looks best is a heavy one.) The trouble is: wallpaper won't paste well to glass, will it? I don't want to sand the mirrors or remove them. The next occupant might like to remove the wallpaper and enjoy the mirrors again. Blue Peter Badge time Sticky back plastic. |
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"R" writes: Blue Peter Badge time Sticky back plastic. but now that Woolworths is gone, where can you buy it? ;-) -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message ... In article , "R" writes: Blue Peter Badge time Sticky back plastic. but now that Woolworths is gone, where can you buy it? ;-) -- Wilkinson's is the new Woolies! |
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Eddy wrote:
Mungo \Two Sheds\ Toadfoot wrote: I think it's a really bad idea to wallpaper glass in case it gets broken in the future by someone who doesn't know it's there. Good thought, Si. You're obviously safety-conscious, which is good. But the paper I've selected is sturdy one, so if somebody were to press against one of the panels and crack the mirror the paper would almost certainly hide the crack and stop any slivers of glass from getting away. Also the mirrors are stuck into the wood panels by way of adhesive on their backs, so if somebody snapped one of the mirrors they wouldn't tumble down. So I don't think hiding the mirrors behind wallpaper is a problem. The problem is how to adhere the paper to the mirrors with a good finish and possible be able to remove it at a later date. Eddy. The problem is likely to be that the wallpaper paste, or anything water based, will take forever to dry unless the water can evaporate through the paper. If there's any vinyl content, I'd say the chances are minimal. |
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"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message ... In article , "R" writes: Blue Peter Badge time Sticky back plastic. but now that Woolworths is gone, where can you buy it? ;-) I bought some in Lidl.. I don't think it will suit you, its a mirror finish. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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On 14 May, 18:14, (Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
In article , * * * * "R" writes: Blue Peter Badge time Sticky back plastic. but now that Woolworths is gone, where can you buy it? ;-) -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] B 'n Q |
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R wrote:
Blue Peter Badge time Sticky back plastic. Oh, dear. Sorry, no Badge, R. I didn't say I haven't already bought the heavy wallpaper! It's a luxury paper that looks like rough leather - it won't look like someone has put wallpaper on the doors! Eddy. |
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Eddy wrote:
Hi. I have a room which has a fine built-in wardrobe all along one wall. Each of the five sliding doors has two framed panels and in each of these these is a mirror. Now this would be OK if this room was being used as a bedroom perhaps but it's now a study. So I want to apply a suitable heavy paper over the mirror inside each panel. (It so happens that the wallpaper that looks best is a heavy one.) The trouble is: wallpaper won't paste well to glass, will it? I don't want to sand the mirrors or remove them. The next occupant might like to remove the wallpaper and enjoy the mirrors again. Any ideas? Thanks, Eddy. try spray on carpet adhesive. |
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Andrew Gabriel wrote:
Sticky back plastic. but now that Woolworths is gone, where can you buy it? ;-) Wilko's keeps lots of it, or, if you're in the Welsh Marches, any of the big Harry Tuffins. Eddy. |
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Phil Jessop wrote:
I would use 1/8" MDF cut to size for each mirror, then attach to mirrors with strong double sided carpet tape - then wallpaper the (sized) mdf. You can then fairly easily rip off the mdf and remove the carpet tape with a solvent later if desired. What about using double-sided carpet tape around the edges of each mirror and stretching the paper onto it, then trimming off round the edges of the glass. Should work, as long as the tape is not so thick it shows through the paper. Eddy. |
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I'd guess the glue used where you overlap vinyl paper - or add a border to it would work with glass. Not cheap, though. "Solvite Overlap & Border Adhesive"? I see it comes in small tubes. Given that the paper is thick vinyl paper maybe I could push the adhesive, not necessarily coat the entire surface? Eddy. |
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John Rumm wrote:
I would use one of the temporary mount spray adhesives - the sort of thing you get in art shops for mounting things on cut'n'past boards etc. Interesting. A bit like Cow Gum but in a spray? You would spray the paper, right? (Not the mirrors? - wouldn't want to get spray all over the rest of the doors.) Eddy. |
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Andrew Gabriel wrote:
You can apparently plaster onto glass if you PVA it in this way first. Well, THAT sounds promising! If putting PVA on glass will let the glass take plaster . . . it'll surely take heavy paper. I share the views of others on safety. Might be better to stick sheets of hardboard on first, but even then it may be an unwelcome surprise for anyone who later decides to pull down what you've built. There won't be a safety problem as long as I am the owner of the house, and of course I'll win the next owner when the day comes we decide to move on. Probably tell people when showing them round that there's nice mirrors beneath the leather-looking panels if they're interested. Eddy. |
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Steve Firth wrote:
We use PVA to glue labels onto glass bottles. It works fine. Good to hear, Steve. And if you then submerge one of your bottles in water will the label then float off easily? Eddy. |
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RobertL wrote:
Plus remember that mirrors are not made with safety glass. However, you could stick some of that plastic safety film on first. You know, I don't think these mirrors would be a problem. They're not thick and heavy and they're well in-set within mitred wooden frames so someone would have to charge at them with force to bend them sufficiently for them to crack. Eddy. |
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Stuart Noble wrote:
The problem is likely to be that the wallpaper paste, or anything water based, will take forever to dry unless the water can evaporate through the paper. If there's any vinyl content, I'd say the chances are minimal. Hmmm. This sounds like sense. Even PVA might not be able to "dry". But the spray adhesive or cow gum would cure without having to evaporate, I think. Eddy. |
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John S wrote:
Fairy nuff. I would expect normal Solvite or Polycell to do the job easily enough as long as you didn't use too much paste, but as for getting it off at a later date... well, it might get messy! PVA maybe? I would tend to go along with that sort of approach. I don't see the paper needing a much higher strength adhesive because the contact area is large. Also one day you will need to remove the paper. Sounds promising, but am just a bit concerned about adhesion around the edges if I just use normal paste - you know how edges can get caught, and if the paper isn't tightly bonded to the glass then a little pull and it could all come away. Is it possible to steam vinyl paper off a surface? (Thinking about the next owner.) I'm wondering if putting a steamer to vinyl attached to glass might crack the glass. Never used a steamer. Are they that hot, or is it more a case of "hot STEAM" rather than "HOT HOT steam"? Eddy. |
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try spray on carpet adhesive. Oooooo. Now that sounds promising. Worth experimenting with. Will Google it. Eddy. |
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Eddy wrote:
Steve Firth wrote: We use PVA to glue labels onto glass bottles. It works fine. Good to hear, Steve. And if you then submerge one of your bottles in water will the label then float off easily? I steam them off when recycling bottles. The labels are printed with a waxy ink so it's very difficult to soak them off. The steam melts the wax and lifts the label off the bottle in a few seconds. The PVA we use is a paste rather than a solution because we don't want to over-wet the labels, so I'm not sure if it works with dilute PVA. OTOH I have used woodworking adhesive when we ran out of the "proper" PVA at a weekend and that seemed fine as well. |
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Eddy wrote:
Hi. I have a room which has a fine built-in wardrobe all along one wall. Each of the five sliding doors has two framed panels and in each of these these is a mirror. Now this would be OK if this room was being used as a bedroom perhaps but it's now a study. So I want to apply a suitable heavy paper over the mirror inside each panel. (It so happens that the wallpaper that looks best is a heavy one.) The trouble is: wallpaper won't paste well to glass, will it? I don't want to sand the mirrors or remove them. The next occupant might like to remove the wallpaper and enjoy the mirrors again. Any ideas? Thanks, Eddy. Don't paper, hang fabric. |
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Gib Bogle wrote:
Don't paper, hang fabric. Already spent hours finding a heavy-weight embossed vinyl paper that looks just like leather. Considered fabric initially but thought paste/glue would seep through and look awful but actually I now remember I used fabric on wood once before and it looked great. Anyway, too late now: I've bought a £20 roll of great-looking paper! Eddy. |
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Steve Firth wrote:
We use PVA to glue labels onto glass bottles. It works fine. I steam them off when recycling bottles. The labels are printed with a waxy ink so it's very difficult to soak them off. The steam melts the wax and lifts the label off the bottle in a few seconds. The PVA we use is a paste rather than a solution because we don't want to over-wet the labels, so I'm not sure if it works with dilute PVA. OTOH I have used woodworking adhesive when we ran out of the "proper" PVA at a weekend and that seemed fine as well. Steve, thanks for this. Sounds hopeful. Someone's suggested "Ready Mixed Paste" (being stronger than the usual mix-your-own) should work. Trouble is a tub costs about £10. A bit much for just a few panels. Am wondering if a pack of "Solvite Wallpaper Adhesive" flakes for just £4.27 will do the trick because it's described as "Extra strong all purpose wallpaper adhesive for hanging all papers including heavy embossed, washable, vinyls and blown vinyls." See: http://www.wallpaperdirect.co.uk/wal...ools/Adhesives But good to know that if it strong paste (either flakes or tubbed) doesn't work then PVA should work - especially as you say you can steam it off. Am going to pop into a few shops and ask what they use to paste "Closing Down - Everything Must Go!" signs to the insides of their windows! Eddy. |
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On Thu, 14 May 2009 14:47:22 +0100, Eddy
wrote: The trouble is: wallpaper won't paste well to glass, will it? Many years ago I moved into a house in the depths of winter, stripped the woodchip in the living room and decorated it with blown vinyl (see I told you it was many years ago!) One bit was in a recess close to the door, but had never been previously papered, instead it had a layer of faded white gloss which I thought was over plywood but never really checked. It got a quick clean and was covered with the new wallpaper. Come spring and I started decorating the outside when I noticed other houses in the street had a glass panel in this recess where mine was now papered. Sure enough on checking closely I noticed mine was glass too. The paper was still stuck there 10 years later with no special preparation just ordinary wallpaper paste which was probably much better quality than you'd get today. -- |
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Eddy wrote: Is it possible to steam vinyl paper off a surface? (Thinking about the next owner.) I'm wondering if putting a steamer to vinyl attached to glass might crack the glass. Never used a steamer. Are they that hot, or is it more a case of "hot STEAM" rather than "HOT HOT steam"? You normally peel off the vinyl layer 'dry' as it were which leaves the paper backing which can be soaked off in the normal way. But that's with ordinary wallpaper adhesive - something which isn't water based might need a different approach. -- *We have enough youth, how about a fountain of Smart? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Eddy wrote: Am wondering if a pack of "Solvite Wallpaper Adhesive" flakes for just £4.27 will do the trick because it's described as "Extra strong all purpose wallpaper adhesive for hanging all papers including heavy embossed, washable, vinyls and blown vinyls." If you read the instructions on that it says it won't work *on* vinyl - and to use their proper stuff for overlaps, etc. So I'd guess the same would apply to any non porous surface. -- *Work is for people who don't know how to fish. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 14 May, 15:47, Eddy
wrote: Hi. I have a room which has a fine built-in wardrobe all along one wall. Each of the five sliding doors has two framed panels and in each of these these is a mirror. * Now this would be OK if this room was being used as a bedroom perhaps but it's now a study. *So I want to apply a suitable heavy paper over the mirror inside each panel. *(It so happens that the wallpaper that looks best is a heavy one.) The trouble is: wallpaper won't paste well to glass, will it? *I don't want to sand the mirrors or remove them. *The next occupant might like to remove the wallpaper and enjoy the mirrors again. Any ideas? Thanks, Eddy. Thinking laterally, can you just reverse the doors to face the mirrors inwards? Of course, you may then have to varnish or otherwise cover the former inside. I think I got sticky vinyl plastic from Homebase recently. Chris |
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Mike wrote:
Many years ago I moved into a house in the depths of winter, stripped the woodchip in the living room and decorated it with blown vinyl (see I told you it was many years ago!) One bit was in a recess close to the door, but had never been previously papered, instead it had a layer of faded white gloss which I thought was over plywood but never really checked. It got a quick clean and was covered with the new wallpaper. Come spring and I started decorating the outside when I noticed other houses in the street had a glass panel in this recess where mine was now papered. Sure enough on checking closely I noticed mine was glass too. The paper was still stuck there 10 years later with no special preparation just ordinary wallpaper paste which was probably much better quality than you'd get today. Very helpful, story, Mike. The paper I have bought is ready-pasted. I've soaked a small bit in water and applied to the face of one of the mirrors . . . and waited for it to dry. It dropped off. Leaving a tough thin layer of cellulose on the glass. So this is why I thought I would enquire here. I sort of assumed that even the ordinary mix-it-yourself paste wouldn't be much better. But maybe I am wrong. I'll have a go with ordinary paste today and see. If that doesn't work, I'll move up to Solvite Wallpaper Adhesive which is supposed to be stronger than most. Eddy. |
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News wrote:
Am wondering if a pack of "Solvite Wallpaper Adhesive" flakes for just £4.27 will do the trick because it's described as "Extra strong all purpose wallpaper adhesive for hanging all papers including heavy embossed, washable, vinyls and blown vinyls." If you read the instructions on that it says it won't work *on* vinyl - and to use their proper stuff for overlaps, etc. So I'd guess the same would apply to any non porous surface. You've got a packet of that stuff yourself, News? Thanks for the warning! Have just emailed the suppliers and asked them for their recommendation - not that suppliers always know. Eddy. |
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Eddy wrote: If you read the instructions on that it says it won't work *on* vinyl - and to use their proper stuff for overlaps, etc. So I'd guess the same would apply to any non porous surface. You've got a packet of that stuff yourself, News? Dave, actually. ;-) Yes - I'm just finishing off decorating the hall and stairs - all twenty rolls of it. And have used that adhesive. Thanks for the warning! Have just emailed the suppliers and asked them for their recommendation - not that suppliers always know. Think you can buy it in small packets for a couple of quid so you could just experiment? But it doesn't stick to the plastic bucket when it goes hard so I'd not expect it do so to glass. -- *Could it be that "I do " is the longest sentence? * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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