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22mm compression fittings: spanners required?
Hello,
What size spanners do you need for 22mm straight compression fittings? The nuts are 32mm but what about the flange on the middle of the body? I measured it with a vernier calliper and I think it was 28.5mm, which seems an awkward size. Rounding that up to 29mm, I could not find any 29mm spanners anywhere. Would a 30mm spanner be too big or do you "cheat" and use adjustable ones? Thanks, Stephen |
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Sorry to post to myself; I hit send too soon.
I also have to dismantle a leaky and very old pillar tap. I measured that and the flange is 34mm wide so I need to buy something that is that wide (fixed or adjustable). I do have stilsons and adjustable spanners but they stop at about 30mm (and are only marked up to 25mm). It seems most spanner sets only go up to 24mm, so for 22mm plumbing a new set of spanners is required. Why don't sets include these sizes? Surely they must be used often, or is it that all the professionals solder? Screwfix used to sell a big Hilka spanner set up to 32mm (IIRC) but I had three or four sent to me and all were rusty on arrival, so all got sent back. Any recommendations on what and where to buy or not buy? I guess the tap needs a new washer and or reseating. Thanks, Stephen. |
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I bought two of these:
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/38428/...table-Wrench-8 Having messed about with other tools, these are the biz for firmly tightening compression fittings (even in awkward locations) without tearing the corners off the fittings. Opens to about 42mm IIRC. |
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Stephen wrote:
I measured it with a vernier calliper and I think it was 28.5mm, which seems an awkward size. Rounding that up to 29mm, I could not find any 29mm spanners anywhere. Would a 30mm spanner be too big or do you "cheat" and use adjustable ones? I always end up with Stilsons when plumbing - usually two pairs. I've always wanted some 'proper' spanners and keep meaning to make a list of sizes to take to a car boot - I suspect a lot of the sizes required are imperial/Whitworth ones. -- Scott Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket? |
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Stephen coughed up some electrons that declared:
Hello, What size spanners do you need for 22mm straight compression fittings? The nuts are 32mm but what about the flange on the middle of the body? I measured it with a vernier calliper and I think it was 28.5mm, which seems an awkward size. Rounding that up to 29mm, I could not find any 29mm spanners anywhere. Would a 30mm spanner be too big or do you "cheat" and use adjustable ones? Thanks, Stephen Nothing "cheating" about using adjustable spanners Unless space is tight and you need a slim normal spanner. A good quality Bahco in a couple of sizes deals with many evils. Cheers Tim |
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"Tim S" wrote in message ... Stephen coughed up some electrons that declared: Hello, What size spanners do you need for 22mm straight compression fittings? The nuts are 32mm but what about the flange on the middle of the body? I measured it with a vernier calliper and I think it was 28.5mm, which seems an awkward size. Rounding that up to 29mm, I could not find any 29mm spanners anywhere. Would a 30mm spanner be too big or do you "cheat" and use adjustable ones? Thanks, Stephen Nothing "cheating" about using adjustable spanners Unless space is tight and you need a slim normal spanner. A good quality Bahco in a couple of sizes deals with many evils. These are better.. http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Hand...0/sd210/p23418 They also fit 20 mm swa glands but not the nut. |
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Stephen wrote:
Hello, What size spanners do you need for 22mm straight compression fittings? The nuts are 32mm but what about the flange on the middle of the body? I measured it with a vernier calliper and I think it was 28.5mm, which seems an awkward size. Rounding that up to 29mm, I could not find any 29mm spanners anywhere. Would a 30mm spanner be too big or do you "cheat" and use adjustable ones? Thanks, Stephen I have a massive jumbo adjustable spanner I picked up years ago. Have also been known to use a mole wrench, adjustable pliers etc. |
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"Stephen" wrote Hello, What size spanners do you need for 22mm straight compression fittings? The nuts are 32mm but what about the flange on the middle of the body? I measured it with a vernier calliper and I think it was 28.5mm, which seems an awkward size. Rounding that up to 29mm, I could not find any 29mm spanners anywhere. Would a 30mm spanner be too big or do you "cheat" and use adjustable ones? Thanks, Stephen I find pipe grips invaluable. They will adjust and grab many hexagonal shapes, radiator valve bodies etc. Plus they have narrow(ish) jaws so will fit where stilsons won't. A set of these and 2 or three shifter sizes will cover a lot of plumbing jobs. You don't need to apply ridiculous leverage even to make up a 22mm compression joint, so as long as you have a pretty firm grip these are a must http://www.altecweb.com/home.asp?rf=...+Pum p+Pliers These are examples of type only - look for quality items to purchase Phil |
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Stephen saying something like: What size spanners do you need for 22mm straight compression fittings? The nuts are 32mm but what about the flange on the middle of the body? I measured it with a vernier calliper and I think it was 28.5mm, which seems an awkward size. Rounding that up to 29mm, I could not find any 29mm spanners anywhere. Would a 30mm spanner be too big or do you "cheat" and use adjustable ones? Varies from maker to maker. |
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"dennis@home" wrote in message ... "Tim S" wrote in message ... Stephen coughed up some electrons that declared: Hello, What size spanners do you need for 22mm straight compression fittings? The nuts are 32mm but what about the flange on the middle of the body? I measured it with a vernier calliper and I think it was 28.5mm, which seems an awkward size. Rounding that up to 29mm, I could not find any 29mm spanners anywhere. Would a 30mm spanner be too big or do you "cheat" and use adjustable ones? Thanks, Stephen Nothing "cheating" about using adjustable spanners Unless space is tight and you need a slim normal spanner. A good quality Bahco in a couple of sizes deals with many evils. Bahco are overpriced and rust. These are better.. http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Hand...0/sd210/p23418 What make does it fit? The nuts are all different from maker to maker. One of these which is brill as it locks - Stanley lockable adjustable smooth jaws. About £20, but seen one for £10 at a tool stall once: http://www.stanleytools.com/default.asp?CATEGORY=WRENCHES+HT&TYPE=PRODUCT&PART NUMBER=85-610&SDesc=10%26%2334%3B+MaxGrip%26%23153%3B+Lockin g+Adjustable+Wrench |
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:58:57 +0100, Invisible Man
had this to say: Stephen wrote: Hello, What size spanners do you need for 22mm straight compression fittings? The nuts are 32mm but what about the flange on the middle of the body? I measured it with a vernier calliper and I think it was 28.5mm, which seems an awkward size. Rounding that up to 29mm, I could not find any 29mm spanners anywhere. Would a 30mm spanner be too big or do you "cheat" and use adjustable ones? Thanks, Stephen I have a massive jumbo adjustable spanner I picked up years ago. Have also been known to use a mole wrench, adjustable pliers etc. Don't forget that compression fittings are BSP sized, therefore the correct spanners will (or should be) imperial size. -- Frank Erskine |
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In article ,
Stephen wrote: What size spanners do you need for 22mm straight compression fittings? The nuts are 32mm but what about the flange on the middle of the body? I measured it with a vernier calliper and I think it was 28.5mm, which seems an awkward size. Rounding that up to 29mm, I could not find any 29mm spanners anywhere. Would a 30mm spanner be too big or do you "cheat" and use adjustable ones? I'd say it might also depend on the make of fitting - some still seem to use the old imperial sizes on the body. Luckily I have a fair selection of such spanners so just use one that fits. This chart might help you guess what it is :- http://www.sat.dundee.ac.uk/~psc/spanner_jaw.html -- *Why do overlook and oversee mean opposite things? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Scott M wrote: I always end up with Stilsons when plumbing - usually two pairs. I've always wanted some 'proper' spanners and keep meaning to make a list of sizes to take to a car boot - I suspect a lot of the sizes required are imperial/Whitworth ones. Trouble is Stilsons usually mark the fitting which annoys me - they have jaws for dripping round things so have to cut in. A good quality adjustable is better. -- *Virtual reality is its own reward * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Trouble is Stilsons usually mark the fitting which annoys me - they have jaws for dripping Invented by a northerner? They have jaws for dripping as well. |
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Doctor Drivel coughed up some electrons that declared:
Bahco are overpriced Possibly and rust. No they don't - mine's 15 years old and in mint condition. |
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Doctor Drivel wrote:
"dennis@home" wrote in message ... "Tim S" wrote in message ... Stephen coughed up some electrons that declared: Hello, What size spanners do you need for 22mm straight compression fittings? The nuts are 32mm but what about the flange on the middle of the body? I measured it with a vernier calliper and I think it was 28.5mm, which seems an awkward size. Rounding that up to 29mm, I could not find any 29mm spanners anywhere. Would a 30mm spanner be too big or do you "cheat" and use adjustable ones? Thanks, Stephen Nothing "cheating" about using adjustable spanners Unless space is tight and you need a slim normal spanner. A good quality Bahco in a couple of sizes deals with many evils. Bahco are overpriced and rust. Bollox. These are better.. http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Hand...0/sd210/p23418 What make does it fit? The nuts are all different from maker to maker. One of these which is brill as it locks - Stanley lockable adjustable smooth jaws. About £20, but seen one for £10 at a tool stall once: http://www.stanleytools.com/default.asp?CATEGORY=WRENCHES+HT&TYPE=PRODUCT&PART NUMBER=85-610&SDesc=10%26%2334%3B+MaxGrip%26%23153%3B+Lockin g+Adjustable+Wrench Agreed, brilliant tool, the puppies parts. Got mine from Axminster. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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TheScullster wrote:
"Stephen" wrote Hello, What size spanners do you need for 22mm straight compression fittings? The nuts are 32mm but what about the flange on the middle of the body? I measured it with a vernier calliper and I think it was 28.5mm, which seems an awkward size. Rounding that up to 29mm, I could not find any 29mm spanners anywhere. Would a 30mm spanner be too big or do you "cheat" and use adjustable ones? Thanks, Stephen I find pipe grips invaluable. They will adjust and grab many hexagonal shapes, radiator valve bodies etc. Plus they have narrow(ish) jaws so will fit where stilsons won't. I'd have called those water pump pliers. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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"Tim S" wrote in message ... Doctor Drivel coughed up some electrons that declared: Bahco are overpriced Possibly and rust. No they don't - mine's 15 years old and in mint condition. My wide-jaws rusted after 1 month. |
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"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message om... Doctor Drivel wrote: "dennis@home" wrote in message ... "Tim S" wrote in message ... Stephen coughed up some electrons that declared: Hello, What size spanners do you need for 22mm straight compression fittings? The nuts are 32mm but what about the flange on the middle of the body? I measured it with a vernier calliper and I think it was 28.5mm, which seems an awkward size. Rounding that up to 29mm, I could not find any 29mm spanners anywhere. Would a 30mm spanner be too big or do you "cheat" and use adjustable ones? Thanks, Stephen Nothing "cheating" about using adjustable spanners Unless space is tight and you need a slim normal spanner. A good quality Bahco in a couple of sizes deals with many evils. Bahco are overpriced and rust. Bollox. You know nothing about tools! These are better.. http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Hand...0/sd210/p23418 What make does it fit? The nuts are all different from maker to maker. One of these which is brill as it locks - Stanley lockable adjustable smooth jaws. About £20, but seen one for £10 at a tool stall once: http://www.stanleytools.com/default.asp?CATEGORY=WRENCHES+HT&TYPE=PRODUCT&PART NUMBER=85-610&SDesc=10%26%2334%3B+MaxGrip%26%23153%3B+Lockin g+Adjustable+Wrench Agreed, brilliant tool, the puppies parts. Got mine from Axminster. Ah Good. You are learning. Keep it up. |
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"Scott M" wrote in message ... Stephen wrote: I measured it with a vernier calliper and I think it was 28.5mm, which seems an awkward size. Rounding that up to 29mm, I could not find any 29mm spanners anywhere. Would a 30mm spanner be too big or do you "cheat" and use adjustable ones? I always end up with Stilsons when plumbing Stilsons are for pipes only - not fittings!!! |
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"Steve Firth" wrote in message ... Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Trouble is Stilsons usually mark the fitting which annoys me - they have jaws for dripping Invented by a northerner? MY God!!! A Wurzle!!! |
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"TheScullster" wrote in message ... "Stephen" wrote Hello, What size spanners do you need for 22mm straight compression fittings? The nuts are 32mm but what about the flange on the middle of the body? I measured it with a vernier calliper and I think it was 28.5mm, which seems an awkward size. Rounding that up to 29mm, I could not find any 29mm spanners anywhere. Would a 30mm spanner be too big or do you "cheat" and use adjustable ones? Thanks, Stephen I find pipe grips invaluable. They will adjust and grab many hexagonal shapes, radiator valve bodies etc. Plus they have narrow(ish) jaws so will fit where stilsons won't. And chew up fittings! |
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Doctor Drivel wrote:
A good quality Bahco in a couple of sizes deals with many evils. Bahco are overpriced and rust. Bollox. You know nothing about tools! Only that you are a prize one. These are better.. http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Hand...0/sd210/p23418 What make does it fit? The nuts are all different from maker to maker. One of these which is brill as it locks - Stanley lockable adjustable smooth jaws. About £20, but seen one for £10 at a tool stall once: http://www.stanleytools.com/default.asp?CATEGORY=WRENCHES+HT&TYPE=PRODUCT&PART NUMBER=85-610&SDesc=10%26%2334%3B+MaxGrip%26%23153%3B+Lockin g+Adjustable+Wrench Agreed, brilliant tool, the puppies parts. Got mine from Axminster. Ah Good. You are learning. Keep it up. Yup. I've learnt not to cut Hep2O with a hacksaw. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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On Apr 29, 3:55*pm, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: In article , * *Scott M wrote: I always end up with Stilsons when plumbing - usually two pairs. I've always wanted some 'proper' spanners and keep meaning to make a list of sizes to take to a car boot - I suspect a lot of the sizes required are imperial/Whitworth ones. Trouble is Stilsons usually mark the fitting which annoys me - they have jaws for dripping round things so have to cut in. A good quality adjustable is better. I find stillsons awkward on 15mm fittings, and spanners not very useful. I usually hold the centre of the fitting (T piece or elbow) with an F pattern adjustable, http://www.alloy-artifacts.com/Photo...pped_inset.jpg it's good for clearance where a 'normal' adjustable won't go. Cheers, Paul. |
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"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message om... Doctor Drivel wrote: A good quality Bahco in a couple of sizes deals with many evils. Bahco are overpriced and rust. Bollox. You know nothing about tools! Only that you are a prize one. Like a mallet to hit cowboys with. Ah Good. You are learning. Keep it up. Yup. I've learnt not to cut Hep2O with a hacksaw. Fantastic. Make sure it is square and get rid of burrs...and all will be OK. Pro can do that but please with you being a cowboy get a tool designed for the incompetent. |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Trouble is Stilsons usually mark the fitting which annoys me - they have jaws for dripping round things so have to cut in. A good quality adjustable is better. Annoys me too! I've got some Screwfix vouchers that I might put towards a decent set now you've given me the idea. I did have a friend recommend me to get some Bahco ones but I'd already sort of ended up with Stilsons as my default plumbing tool as they were the best thing I had. The adjustable spanners I've had before have been utter pants and the comedy bicycle-spanner style compression nut spanner is a nonsense. -- Scott Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket? |
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Steve Firth wrote: Trouble is Stilsons usually mark the fitting which annoys me - they have jaws for dripping Invented by a northerner? They have jaws for dripping as well. ;-) -- *One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Doctor Drivel wrote: My wide-jaws rusted after 1 month. If only. -- *I used to have an open mind but my brains kept falling out * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Scott M wrote: Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Trouble is Stilsons usually mark the fitting which annoys me - they have jaws for dripping round things so have to cut in. A good quality adjustable is better. Annoys me too! I've got some Screwfix vouchers that I might put towards a decent set now you've given me the idea. I did have a friend recommend me to get some Bahco ones but I'd already sort of ended up with Stilsons as my default plumbing tool as they were the best thing I had. The adjustable spanners I've had before have been utter pants and the comedy bicycle-spanner style compression nut spanner is a nonsense. Other way is to spend some time at car boot ales or autojumbles etc and get some old BSF/Whitworth spanners. They're not much in demand so don't fetch much. A fixed correct sized spanner is always better than an adjustable. -- *Dancing is a perpendicular expression of a horizontal desire * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Scott M wrote: I always end up with Stilsons when plumbing - usually two pairs. I've always wanted some 'proper' spanners and keep meaning to make a list of sizes to take to a car boot - I suspect a lot of the sizes required are imperial/Whitworth ones. Trouble is Stilsons usually mark the fitting which annoys me - they have jaws for dripping round things so have to cut in. A good quality adjustable is better. Or a "water pump" spanner, narrower jaws than most adjustables so they fit OK on the central hexagon, but still have the Stillson "self-locking" property provided you have them the right way round. |
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"Doctor Drivel" wrote I find pipe grips invaluable. They will adjust and grab many hexagonal shapes, radiator valve bodies etc. Plus they have narrow(ish) jaws so will fit where stilsons won't. And chew up fittings! I agree you need to be selective where you (can) use them. For seized solid old fittings smothered in boss white they're a non-starter and will do damage. But for assembling new stuff and used carefully they're fine. Phil |
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On 29 Apr, 14:50, "Doctor Drivel" wrote:
One of these which is brill as it locks - Stanley lockable adjustable smooth jaws. About £20, but seen one for £10 at a tool stall once: http://www.stanleytools.com/default.asp?CATEGORY=WRENCHES+HT&TYPE=PRO... 12 quid including post on ebay: 370168644443 |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Other way is to spend some time at car boot ales or autojumbles etc and get some old BSF/Whitworth spanners. They're not much in demand so don't fetch much. A fixed correct sized spanner is always better than an adjustable. That is my plan. I've got a few largish imperial spanners that sometimes come in handy for plumbing but I've never sat down and worked out exactly what I should be looking for. It only occurs to me when I'm stood in field and see a nice big box of old tools :-( -- Scott Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket? |
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Scott M wrote: Other way is to spend some time at car boot ales or autojumbles etc and get some old BSF/Whitworth spanners. They're not much in demand so don't fetch much. A fixed correct sized spanner is always better than an adjustable. That is my plan. I've got a few largish imperial spanners that sometimes come in handy for plumbing but I've never sat down and worked out exactly what I should be looking for. It only occurs to me when I'm stood in field and see a nice big box of old tools :-( If you check the site I gave earlier you can convert the actual across flats measurement into what BSF etc spanners are marked as. So you know what to look out for. -- *The problem with the gene pool is that there is no lifeguard * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
If you check the site I gave earlier you can convert the actual across flats measurement into what BSF etc spanners are marked as. So you know what to look out for. Oh, ta. I'd missed that post. -- Scott Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket? |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Doctor Drivel wrote: My wide-jaws rusted after 1 month. If Eff off as you are a total plantpot. |
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"TheScullster" wrote in message . uk... "Doctor Drivel" wrote I find pipe grips invaluable. They will adjust and grab many hexagonal shapes, radiator valve bodies etc. Plus they have narrow(ish) jaws so will fit where stilsons won't. And chew up fittings! I agree you need to be selective where you (can) use them. For seized solid old fittings smothered in boss white they're a non-starter and will do damage. But for assembling new stuff and used carefully they're fine. Once again!!! They chew up fittings! Only use on pipes!!!!! What they are designed for. |
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Doctor Drivel wrote:
"TheScullster" wrote in message . uk... "Doctor Drivel" wrote I find pipe grips invaluable. They will adjust and grab many hexagonal shapes, radiator valve bodies etc. Plus they have narrow(ish) jaws so will fit where stilsons won't. And chew up fittings! I agree you need to be selective where you (can) use them. For seized solid old fittings smothered in boss white they're a non-starter and will do damage. But for assembling new stuff and used carefully they're fine. Once again!!! They chew up fittings! Only use on pipes!!!!! What they are designed for. Got into a very difficult bit of the loft yesterday to fit a reducing T for a new shower supply. Discovered I had not got my usual spanners with me. Managed fine with mole wrench and adjustable pliers/pipe wrench. Was in a low pressure situation though and with ptfe tape on the threads. |
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:05:37 +0100, Frank Erskine
wrote: Don't forget that compression fittings are BSP sized, therefore the correct spanners will (or should be) imperial size. I did wonder that when I measured 28.5mm but then I thought if the pipe is metric, surely the fittings will be too; I was forgetting that 15 and 22 mm pipe are essentially 1/2 and 3/4 inch pipe. |
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:53:19 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: This chart might help you guess what it is :- http://www.sat.dundee.ac.uk/~psc/spanner_jaw.html Thank you very much. Very useful. |
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