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Sodium Chlorate ban
I have often wished I had known in advance of impending EU bans.
Notice in local garden centre states sale of Sodium Chlorate is being banned by EU from Sept 2009. Hope that is useful info. |
Sodium Chlorate ban
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..com, jim scribeth thus I have often wished I had known in advance of impending EU bans. Notice in local garden centre states sale of Sodium Chlorate is being banned by EU from Sept 2009. Hope that is useful info. What a pity;( used to use a lot of that especially to kill the weeds around bonfire nite;)).. -- Tony Sayer |
Sodium Chlorate ban
tony sayer wrote:
In article ..com, jim scribeth thus I have often wished I had known in advance of impending EU bans. Notice in local garden centre states sale of Sodium Chlorate is being banned by EU from Sept 2009. Hope that is useful info. What a pity;( used to use a lot of that especially to kill the weeds around bonfire nite;)).. Yes a shame; I also used to kill a lot of weeds around bonfire night ;-) However, from a gardening point of view generic glyphosate works out a lot cheaper and is more effective, so poisoning the soil with sodium chlorate is not needed or desirable any more. -- David in Normandy. To e-mail you must include the password FROG on the subject line, or it will be automatically deleted by a filter and not reach my inbox. |
Sodium Chlorate ban
In message , tony sayer
writes What a pity;( used to use a lot of that especially to kill the weeds around bonfire nite;)).. That's very cruel of you Tony, I hope you added some sugar to sweeten the mix for them. -- Bill |
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On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:09:20 +0100, David in Normandy wrote:
However, from a gardening point of view generic glyphosate works out a lot cheaper and is more effective, so poisoning the soil with sodium chlorate is not needed or desirable any more. AIUI they're banning that too. -- John Stumbles Thesaurus: extinct reptile noted for its wide vocabulary. |
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In message , David in Normandy
writes Yes a shame; I also used to kill a lot of weeds around bonfire night ;-) However, from a gardening point of view generic glyphosate works out a lot cheaper and is more effective, so poisoning the soil with sodium chlorate is not needed or desirable any more. I have an area that I want basically dead and a watering with a saturated solution of sodium Chlorate every 2-3 years does a marvellous job, must invest in some before it becomes unavailable. -- Bill |
Sodium Chlorate ban
In article , Bill
scribeth thus In message , tony sayer writes What a pity;( used to use a lot of that especially to kill the weeds around bonfire nite;)).. That's very cruel of you Tony, I hope you added some sugar to sweeten the mix for them. Yes can't remember the exact ratio now but there was one that really blew them away;)... -- Tony Sayer |
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John Stumbles wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:09:20 +0100, David in Normandy wrote: However, from a gardening point of view generic glyphosate works out a lot cheaper and is more effective, so poisoning the soil with sodium chlorate is not needed or desirable any more. AIUI they're banning that too. Serious? I'd be lost without glyphosate, my garden is over an acre! -- David in Normandy. To e-mail you must include the password FROG on the subject line, or it will be automatically deleted by a filter and not reach my inbox. |
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jim wrote:
I have often wished I had known in advance of impending EU bans. Notice in local garden centre states sale of Sodium Chlorate is being banned by EU from Sept 2009. Hope that is useful info. Fortunately sodium choride does a similar job. NT |
Sodium Chlorate ban
David in Normandy wrote:
John Stumbles wrote: On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:09:20 +0100, David in Normandy wrote: However, from a gardening point of view generic glyphosate works out a lot cheaper and is more effective, so poisoning the soil with sodium chlorate is not needed or desirable any more. AIUI they're banning that too. Serious? I'd be lost without glyphosate, my garden is over an acre! Tsk! You should be using nematoads, or sheep, or butterflys, or something. I shall inform Greenpeace immediately about your environmental vandalism. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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The Medway Handyman wrote:
David in Normandy wrote: John Stumbles wrote: On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:09:20 +0100, David in Normandy wrote: However, from a gardening point of view generic glyphosate works out a lot cheaper and is more effective, so poisoning the soil with sodium chlorate is not needed or desirable any more. AIUI they're banning that too. Serious? I'd be lost without glyphosate, my garden is over an acre! Tsk! You should be using nematoads, or sheep, or butterflys, or something. I shall inform Greenpeace immediately about your environmental vandalism. I have one helluva job keeping the likkle nematoads in my garden; they keep going into next door's and do not listen to me when I call them back. |
Sodium Chlorate ban
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:33:06 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
jim wrote: I have often wished I had known in advance of impending EU bans. Notice in local garden centre states sale of Sodium Chlorate is being banned by EU from Sept 2009. Hope that is useful info. Fortunately sodium choride does a similar job. I'm surprised that that isn't banned too, on account of it allegedly causing hypertension. -- Frank Erskine |
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Frank Erskine wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:33:06 -0700 (PDT), wrote: jim wrote: I have often wished I had known in advance of impending EU bans. Notice in local garden centre states sale of Sodium Chlorate is being banned by EU from Sept 2009. Hope that is useful info. Fortunately sodium choride does a similar job. I'm surprised that that isn't banned too, on account of it allegedly causing hypertension. Crumbs, if you think that salt is bad, you should be seriously worried about DHMO. http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html#CONCERN |
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The Medway Handyman wrote:
David in Normandy wrote: John Stumbles wrote: On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:09:20 +0100, David in Normandy wrote: However, from a gardening point of view generic glyphosate works out a lot cheaper and is more effective, so poisoning the soil with sodium chlorate is not needed or desirable any more. AIUI they're banning that too. Serious? I'd be lost without glyphosate, my garden is over an acre! Tsk! You should be using nematoads, or sheep, or butterflys, or something. I shall inform Greenpeace immediately about your environmental vandalism. nematodes, butterflies. You can always tell the generation where boys studied physics rather than biology. |
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On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 01:07:56 +0000
PJ wrote: The Medway Handyman wrote: David in Normandy wrote: John Stumbles wrote: On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:09:20 +0100, David in Normandy wrote: However, from a gardening point of view generic glyphosate works out a lot cheaper and is more effective, so poisoning the soil with sodium chlorate is not needed or desirable any more. AIUI they're banning that too. Serious? I'd be lost without glyphosate, my garden is over an acre! Tsk! You should be using nematoads, or sheep, or butterflys, or something. I shall inform Greenpeace immediately about your environmental vandalism. nematodes, butterflies. You can always tell the generation where boys studied physics rather than biology. or Inglisch. R. |
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Frank Erskine wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:33:06 -0700 (PDT), wrote: jim wrote: I have often wished I had known in advance of impending EU bans. Notice in local garden centre states sale of Sodium Chlorate is being banned by EU from Sept 2009. Hope that is useful info. Fortunately sodium choride does a similar job. I'm surprised that that isn't banned too, on account of it allegedly causing hypertension. A low salt diet is far worse than a high salt diet. FUD again. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
Sodium Chlorate ban
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Handyman scribeth thus Frank Erskine wrote: On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:33:06 -0700 (PDT), wrote: jim wrote: I have often wished I had known in advance of impending EU bans. Notice in local garden centre states sale of Sodium Chlorate is being banned by EU from Sept 2009. Hope that is useful info. Fortunately sodium choride does a similar job. I'm surprised that that isn't banned too, on account of it allegedly causing hypertension. A low salt diet is far worse than a high salt diet. FUD again. Evidence?.. -- Tony Sayer |
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Sodium Chlorate ban
In article , The Medway
Handyman scribeth thus tony sayer wrote: In article , The Medway Handyman scribeth thus Frank Erskine wrote: On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:33:06 -0700 (PDT), wrote: jim wrote: I have often wished I had known in advance of impending EU bans. Notice in local garden centre states sale of Sodium Chlorate is being banned by EU from Sept 2009. Hope that is useful info. Fortunately sodium choride does a similar job. I'm surprised that that isn't banned too, on account of it allegedly causing hypertension. A low salt diet is far worse than a high salt diet. FUD again. Evidence?.. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Panic-Nation...4542718/ref=sr _1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1237748958&sr=1-1 Most compelling reading I'll bring it to the attention of my consultant when I see him again;!.. Got anything good for Arthritis;?.. -- Tony Sayer |
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On Mar 21, 12:06*pm, tony sayer wrote:
In article , The Medway Handyman scribeth thus Frank Erskine wrote: On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:33:06 -0700 (PDT), wrote: jim wrote: I have often wished I had known in advance of impending EU bans. Notice in local garden centre states sale of Sodium Chlorate is being banned by EU from Sept 2009. Hope that is useful info. Fortunately sodium choride does a similar job. I'm surprised that that isn't banned too, on account of it allegedly causing hypertension. A low salt diet is far worse than a high salt diet. *FUD again. Evidence?.. There's plenty out there, but the most basic fact is that the body excretes excess salt via the kidneys. Not evidence but http://www.reason.com/news/show/34805.html is a good start. MBQ |
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Huge wrote:
On 2009-03-22, The Medway Handyman wrote: tony sayer wrote: In article , The Medway Handyman scribeth thus Frank Erskine wrote: On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:33:06 -0700 (PDT), wrote: jim wrote: I have often wished I had known in advance of impending EU bans. Notice in local garden centre states sale of Sodium Chlorate is being banned by EU from Sept 2009. Hope that is useful info. Fortunately sodium choride does a similar job. I'm surprised that that isn't banned too, on account of it allegedly causing hypertension. A low salt diet is far worse than a high salt diet. FUD again. Evidence?.. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Panic-Nation...7748958&sr=1-1 No, Dave, that isn't evidence. You would have to read it of course. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
Sodium Chlorate ban
In article , The Medway
Handyman scribeth thus Huge wrote: On 2009-03-22, The Medway Handyman wrote: tony sayer wrote: In article , The Medway Handyman scribeth thus Frank Erskine wrote: On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:33:06 -0700 (PDT), wrote: jim wrote: I have often wished I had known in advance of impending EU bans. Notice in local garden centre states sale of Sodium Chlorate is being banned by EU from Sept 2009. Hope that is useful info. Fortunately sodium choride does a similar job. I'm surprised that that isn't banned too, on account of it allegedly causing hypertension. A low salt diet is far worse than a high salt diet. FUD again. Evidence?.. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Panic-Nation...1844542718/ref =sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1237748958&sr=1-1 No, Dave, that isn't evidence. You would have to read it of course. I think I'd take more notice of a proper clinical trail tho.. Not that I'm 'agin any alternatives though. For instance there has been a decent bit of research into alternative, shall we say "natural therapies" for arthritis, which was commissioned by the arthritis research campaign its here if its any use to anyone. I've for instance noticed that rose hips help my condition a bit:).. http://www.arc.org.uk/arthinfo/documents/6300.pdf FWIW if there was anything similar for hypertension then I'd be interested but over time I've found that smaller amounts of different drugs do have better benefits .. -- Tony Sayer |
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Huge wrote:
On 2009-03-23, The Medway Handyman wrote: Huge wrote: On 2009-03-22, The Medway Handyman wrote: tony sayer wrote: In article , The Medway Handyman scribeth thus Frank Erskine wrote: On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:33:06 -0700 (PDT), wrote: jim wrote: I have often wished I had known in advance of impending EU bans. Notice in local garden centre states sale of Sodium Chlorate is being banned by EU from Sept 2009. Hope that is useful info. Fortunately sodium choride does a similar job. I'm surprised that that isn't banned too, on account of it allegedly causing hypertension. A low salt diet is far worse than a high salt diet. FUD again. Evidence?.. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Panic-Nation...7748958&sr=1-1 No, Dave, that isn't evidence. You would have to read it of course. If you think brightly coloured comics with scarey headlines are evidence, you're even dumber than I think you you are. Have you read it? Clearly not since you are incapable of even understanding the title. Whoosh! -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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tony sayer wrote:
A low salt diet is far worse than a high salt diet. FUD again. Evidence?.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyponatremia When my Dad was in the navy in the tropics they'd put people on a charge for not taking their salt tablets. Andy -- (back from getting PC fixed) |
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In article , Andy Champ
scribeth thus tony sayer wrote: A low salt diet is far worse than a high salt diet. FUD again. Evidence?.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyponatremia When my Dad was in the navy in the tropics they'd put people on a charge for not taking their salt tablets. Andy Yes different circumstances dontcha think?.. -- Tony Sayer |
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"Andy Champ" wrote in message . uk... tony sayer wrote: A low salt diet is far worse than a high salt diet. FUD again. Evidence?.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyponatremia When my Dad was in the navy in the tropics they'd put people on a charge for not taking their salt tablets. I doubt the salt tablets were sodium chlorate, which is usually used as a weed killer. mark |
Sodium Chlorate ban
tony sayer wrote:
In article , Andy Champ scribeth thus tony sayer wrote: A low salt diet is far worse than a high salt diet. FUD again. Evidence?.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyponatremia When my Dad was in the navy in the tropics they'd put people on a charge for not taking their salt tablets. Andy Yes different circumstances dontcha think?.. Indeed. However, both the link and the Navy in the tropics demonstrate that too low sodium in your diet can be lethal. I'll admit it's rare in this climate, with the usual UK diet of high salt manufactured food; but anyone digging a pond (or anything else suitably energetic) in the middle of summer should be aware of it. The govt. propagandists don't seem to like to mention one other point: http://www.blood-pressure-hypertensi...essure-5.shtml is but one of many articles pointing out that there's a racial factor in salt intolerance. Andy |
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In message , Andy Champ
writes tony sayer wrote: In article , Andy Champ scribeth thus tony sayer wrote: A low salt diet is far worse than a high salt diet. FUD again. Evidence?.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyponatremia When my Dad was in the navy in the tropics they'd put people on a charge for not taking their salt tablets. Andy Yes different circumstances dontcha think?.. Indeed. However, both the link and the Navy in the tropics demonstrate that too low sodium in your diet can be lethal. I'll admit it's rare in this climate, with the usual UK diet of high salt manufactured food; but anyone digging a pond (or anything else suitably energetic) in the middle of summer should be aware of it. Pah - enough weak beer does the job Done enough hard physical work in equatorial regions and never had a problem The govt. propagandists don't seem to like to mention one other point: http://www.blood-pressure-hypertensi...blood-pressure -5.shtml is but one of many articles pointing out that there's a racial factor in salt intolerance. Andy -- geoff |
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Andy Champ wrote:
tony sayer wrote: A low salt diet is far worse than a high salt diet. FUD again. Evidence?.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyponatremia When my Dad was in the navy in the tropics they'd put people on a charge for not taking their salt tablets. Andy Two different compunds Sodium Chlor_ate_ is commonly used as a weedkiller but can be used to make an explosive mix. Sodium chlor_ide_ is otherwise known as common salt. This is the 'salt' you put on food and is what would be in the salt tablets. The bdy needs sodium chloride to function but it is lost in sweat so in areas where peple sweat heavily, it is given as a supplement. Too much can contribute to raised blood pressure. Malcolm |
Sodium Chlorate ban
Andy Champ wrote:
tony sayer wrote: In article , Andy Champ scribeth thus tony sayer wrote: A low salt diet is far worse than a high salt diet. FUD again. Evidence?.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyponatremia When my Dad was in the navy in the tropics they'd put people on a charge for not taking their salt tablets. Andy Yes different circumstances dontcha think?.. Indeed. However, both the link and the Navy in the tropics demonstrate that too low sodium in your diet can be lethal. I'll admit it's rare in this climate, Not as rare as you think. I live with a low salt diet. In the hot months I regularly find that I have denied my body of salt and have to drink a high salt drink, such as Bovril. Dave |
Sodium Chlorate ban
In article , Andy Champ
scribeth thus tony sayer wrote: In article , Andy Champ scribeth thus tony sayer wrote: A low salt diet is far worse than a high salt diet. FUD again. Evidence?.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyponatremia When my Dad was in the navy in the tropics they'd put people on a charge for not taking their salt tablets. Andy Yes different circumstances dontcha think?.. Indeed. However, both the link and the Navy in the tropics demonstrate that too low sodium in your diet can be lethal. I'll admit it's rare in this climate, with the usual UK diet of high salt manufactured food; but anyone digging a pond (or anything else suitably energetic) in the middle of summer should be aware of it. The govt. propagandists don't seem to like to mention one other point: http://www.blood-pressure-hypertensi...essure-5.shtml is but one of many articles pointing out that there's a racial factor in salt intolerance. Andy Thats well know on most sites on the net especially American ones. But different race's have different problems because of who they are, their genetic make up, and where they live and that can be diet and such.. No danger of a lack of salt in the UK thats for sure;!.. -- Tony Sayer |
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Malcolm wrote:
Two different compunds Sodium Chlor_ate_ is commonly used as a weedkiller but can be used to make an explosive mix. Sodium chlor_ide_ is otherwise known as common salt. This is the 'salt' you put on food and is what would be in the salt tablets. The bdy needs sodium chloride to function but it is lost in sweat so in areas where peple sweat heavily, it is given as a supplement. Too much can contribute to raised blood pressure. It's called thread drift :) BTW I think you'll find NaCl is one of the breakdown products of the typical NaClO3 + (whatever the sugar is) reaction. Andy |
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