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Most esteemed DIY experts....

We have had a quote for replacement of the boiler from BG - due to some
amazing maths, they got it up to 3300 before discounts brought it back down
to 2700!!

I will not be using their services, but they have put the fear of god into
the Mrs over the need to 'register' the new boiler with the LABC at the
council. Indeed, the BG sales literature makes specific reference to this,
likening it to obtaining planning permission. Non BG installations may be
subject to up to additional charges of 4-500 (they say). The brochure goes
on to say that if Part L is not complied with, there may be fines!!

I seem to recollect that Part L now demands a condensing boiler with a
minimum SEDBUK, but most boilers sold now will comply anyway.

Can anyone point me to a good source on this 'registration with LABC'
malarkey, I have googled but cannot seem to find a good, reputable source of
info.

TIA

SalesGuy



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On 5 Mar, 20:50, "salesguy" wrote:
Most esteemed DIY experts....

We have had a quote for replacement of the boiler from BG - due to some
amazing maths, they got it up to 3300 before discounts brought it back down
to 2700!!

That sounds like a reasonable price from BG
what boiler did the specify?
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Most esteemed DIY experts....

We have had a quote for replacement of the boiler from BG - due to some
amazing maths, they got it up to 3300 before discounts brought it back
down to 2700!!


Yeah - I was quoted 2500 to supply and fit a boiler, with 10m of surface run
gas pipe, 2x3m surface water pipe and connect to electrics that I had
already supplied adjacent to the boiler, which was on the ground floor!
That was about 1500 for a day to a day-and-a-half of matey+lad.

So I'll be doing it myself...

I will not be using their services, but they have put the fear of god into
the Mrs over the need to 'register' the new boiler


AFAIK, if a CORGI ("Gassafe" now or whatever) does it, the installation gets
registered with them. Nothing to do with BG - it would be the same for any
CORGI/whatever install.

If you did it yourself, technically the gas requires no notification, but
you would need to notify the LABC with respect to Part L (energy), maybe
Part F (ventilation) unless it's a room sealed boiler, which it probably is
anyway, and maybe Part P (electrics) - and that's debateable if it's a
straight swap.

with the LABC at the
council. Indeed, the BG sales literature makes specific reference to
this,
likening it to obtaining planning permission. Non BG installations may be
subject to up to additional charges of 4-500 (they say).


Utter ********. Firstly, I would imaging any CORGI installer is able to self
certify these bits. Also, I have a BNA (Building Notice) on my house which
cost 321 quid and covers drains, boiler, wood stove, lots of random Part L
crap, full rewire and a few other things. The cost for a boiler BNA would
be typically the minimum charge - more like a 100-odd + VAT.

The brochure
goes on to say that if Part L is not complied with, there may be fines!!


No one gives a damn and there's a timeout anyway or 6 months and 2 years
IIRC (different aspects time out differently). Technically they could bust
you for a fine, but Part P prosecutions are rare, and targetted at dodgey
traders. I've never heard of someone being busted for failure to notify
Part L work.

I seem to recollect that Part L now demands a condensing boiler with a
minimum SEDBUK, but most boilers sold now will comply anyway.


You can still buy a non condesning if you really want to.

Can anyone point me to a good source on this 'registration with LABC'
malarkey, I have googled but cannot seem to find a good, reputable source
of info.


www.YOURDISTRICTCOUNCIL.gov.uk (change capitalised bit as appropriate - you
want your borough/district council - not parish and not county council)
then look for Building Control. Or nip down the Town Hall and see them.
Building Control are generally helpful, though some inspectors are more
by-the-book than others.

Building Regs "Approved Documents" are easily found for free by googling -
they're generally not too hard to read.

Cheers

Tim
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salesguy wrote:

We have had a quote for replacement of the boiler from BG - due to some
amazing maths, they got it up to 3300 before discounts brought it back down
to 2700!!


So probably 1800 from an independent fitter...

I will not be using their services, but they have put the fear of god into
the Mrs over the need to 'register' the new boiler with the LABC at the
council. Indeed, the BG sales literature makes specific reference to this,


Indeed - one should...

likening it to obtaining planning permission. Non BG installations may be


No nothing like PP, your fitter needs to submit a self certification
notice to them that says it complies with the requirements of part L
(should cost him about 3.50 or something like that IIRC). I am sure one
of our regular fitters could elaborate on the exact process.

subject to up to additional charges of 4-500 (they say). The brochure goes


Ah, FUD marketing. If you were to fit your own boiler for example, and
were not a CORGI (or equal for other fuels) member, then you would not
be able to self certify. Hence you would need to apply for a building
notice to have the LA inspect and sign off the installation as complying
with building regs. This would cost you a building notice fee. Could be
north of 100, but very unlikely to be anything like 400 (unless the
commercial value of the work you were doing was in excess of 10K!)

on to say that if Part L is not complied with, there may be fines!!


For certain values of "may" - and only then if the work did not comply
with building regs. (i.e. in reality - fat chance)

I seem to recollect that Part L now demands a condensing boiler with a
minimum SEDBUK, but most boilers sold now will comply anyway.


Yup. You will need to make sure the controls are up to modern standards
as well. So Room stat (aka boiler interlock) and TRVs on all rads except
the one in the room with the stat.

Can anyone point me to a good source on this 'registration with LABC'
malarkey, I have googled but cannot seem to find a good, reputable source of
info.


I expect that for most LAs it is one of those things that have simply
never happened. Some CORGIs will submit the paperwork, others won't, but
I would be very surprised if any self installers (or non registered
fitters trading illegally) have done a building notice.


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salesguy wrote:

We have had a quote for replacement of the boiler from BG - due to some
amazing maths, they got it up to 3300 before discounts brought it back
down to 2700!!


So probably 1800 from an independent fitter...

I will not be using their services, but they have put the fear of god
into the Mrs over the need to 'register' the new boiler with the LABC at
the council. Indeed, the BG sales literature makes specific reference to
this,


Indeed - one should...

likening it to obtaining planning permission. Non BG installations may
be


No nothing like PP, your fitter needs to submit a self certification
notice to them that says it complies with the requirements of part L
(should cost him about 3.50 or something like that IIRC). I am sure one
of our regular fitters could elaborate on the exact process.

subject to up to additional charges of 4-500 (they say). The brochure
goes


Ah, FUD marketing. If you were to fit your own boiler for example, and
were not a CORGI (or equal for other fuels) member, then you would not be
able to self certify. Hence you would need to apply for a building notice
to have the LA inspect and sign off the installation as complying with
building regs. This would cost you a building notice fee. Could be north
of 100, but very unlikely to be anything like 400 (unless the commercial
value of the work you were doing was in excess of 10K!)

on to say that if Part L is not complied with, there may be fines!!


For certain values of "may" - and only then if the work did not comply
with building regs. (i.e. in reality - fat chance)

I seem to recollect that Part L now demands a condensing boiler with a
minimum SEDBUK, but most boilers sold now will comply anyway.


Yup. You will need to make sure the controls are up to modern standards as
well. So Room stat (aka boiler interlock) and TRVs on all rads except the
one in the room with the stat.

Can anyone point me to a good source on this 'registration with LABC'
malarkey, I have googled but cannot seem to find a good, reputable source
of info.


I expect that for most LAs it is one of those things that have simply
never happened. Some CORGIs will submit the paperwork, others won't, but I
would be very surprised if any self installers (or non registered fitters
trading illegally) have done a building notice.


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Cheers,

John.

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where about do you live? We come in with quotes usually at half BG price all
in. The registration with BC is done via corgi, they are trying to frighten
you with the claims.

Get some quotes from local guys.




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On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 22:03:37 +0000, John Rumm wrote:

salesguy wrote:


No nothing like PP, your fitter needs to submit a self certification
notice to them that says it complies with the requirements of part L
(should cost him about £3.50 or something like that IIRC). I am sure one
of our regular fitters could elaborate on the exact process.


Online with direct debit it takes about 5 minutes and cost £2.50 (less a
few pennies for lower VAT).


snip

I expect that for most LAs it is one of those things that have simply
never happened. Some CORGIs will submit the paperwork, others won't, but
I would be very surprised if any self installers (or non registered
fitters trading illegally) have done a building notice.


It is worth me doing them, as the notices are one of the things which the
Corgi/Crapita take as part of their 'risk assessment'. I.e. The guys who
put in notices are deemed to be likely to have less faults with their
work. Ergo I've nearly forgotten what the inspector looks like.


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On 5 Mar, 20:50, "salesguy" wrote:
Most esteemed DIY experts....

We have had a quote for replacement of the boiler from BG - due to some
amazing maths, they got it up to 3300 before discounts brought it back
down
to 2700!!

That sounds like a reasonable price from BG
what boiler did the specify?

+330 High Efficiency BG branded!

Not even a brand name!

SalesGuy


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Most esteemed DIY experts....

We have had a quote for replacement of the boiler from BG - due to some
amazing maths, they got it up to 3300 before discounts brought it back
down to 2700!!

I will not be using their services, but they have put the fear of god into
the Mrs over the need to 'register' the new boiler with the LABC at the
council. Indeed, the BG sales literature makes specific reference to
this, likening it to obtaining planning permission. Non BG installations
may be subject to up to additional charges of 4-500 (they say). The
brochure goes on to say that if Part L is not complied with, there may be
fines!!

I seem to recollect that Part L now demands a condensing boiler with a
minimum SEDBUK, but most boilers sold now will comply anyway.

Can anyone point me to a good source on this 'registration with LABC'
malarkey, I have googled but cannot seem to find a good, reputable source
of info.

TIA

SalesGuy


Thanks for all the info.

SalesGuy


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Ed Sirett wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 22:03:37 +0000, John Rumm wrote:

salesguy wrote:


No nothing like PP, your fitter needs to submit a self certification
notice to them that says it complies with the requirements of part L
(should cost him about £3.50 or something like that IIRC). I am sure one
of our regular fitters could elaborate on the exact process.


Online with direct debit it takes about 5 minutes and cost £2.50 (less a
few pennies for lower VAT).

snip

I expect that for most LAs it is one of those things that have simply
never happened. Some CORGIs will submit the paperwork, others won't, but
I would be very surprised if any self installers (or non registered
fitters trading illegally) have done a building notice.


It is worth me doing them, as the notices are one of the things which the
Corgi/Crapita take as part of their 'risk assessment'. I.e. The guys who
put in notices are deemed to be likely to have less faults with their
work. Ergo I've nearly forgotten what the inspector looks like.


Yup, sorry I was not being that clear there... I as thinking more about
the non CORGI[1] submitting a standard building notice before doing the
work (and paying the ~£100 fee), rather than the CORGI ones...

[1] Is the ability to do part L notices cheaply, available to all CORGIs
or is it limited in some way?

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On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 23:54:25 +0000, John Rumm wrote:

[1] Is the ability to do part L notices cheaply, available to all CORGIs
or is it limited in some way?


I suppose if you haven't done your C&G mumble (the energy efficiency one
that came out when Part L changed to mandate condensing boilers) then you
probably couldn't self-certify. Dunno because I did mine and I can.


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