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We have a Worcester 28CDi combi boiler that we had installed approx
7/8 years ago. Last year we had a new heat exchanger fitted.
We have been having rouble since Christmas. First we had no central
heating and the pressure dial was all over the place, falling and
rising, our installer came back and fitter a new pressure loop which
then seemed to work ok. We then had trouble again with the pressure
dial and leakage from the safety valve, the fitter thought the
pressure dial was not giving the correct reaing and therefore the
emergency valve blew. He came again and refitting the safety valve.
We now have no hot water. When running the tap its warms up to hot
and then goes cold. Whilst talking to the fitter on the phone, he
suggested topping up the pressure and running the hot water to see if
if now worked. Whilst doing this the boiler blew from the top valve
with steam.
He is suggesting that we might need a new boiler, but this seems to be
a bit drastic.
Can anyone give us any advice on what they think might be happening
and what we can do.

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On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 11:46:42 -0800, barbara.collier wrote:

We have a Worcester 28CDi combi boiler that we had installed approx
7/8 years ago. Last year we had a new heat exchanger fitted.


Why?

We have been having rouble since Christmas. First we had no central
heating and the pressure dial was all over the place, falling and
rising, our installer came back and fitter a new pressure loop which
then seemed to work ok. We then had trouble again with the pressure
dial and leakage from the safety valve, the fitter thought the
pressure dial was not giving the correct reaing and therefore the
emergency valve blew. He came again and refitting the safety valve.



Did he not fit a new pressure gauge, if that's what he thought was dodgy?

We now have no hot water. When running the tap its warms up to hot
and then goes cold.


Sounds like the heat exchanger blocking up on the primary side. Why
did you have the heat exchanger replaced last xmas? And if it was the same
problem what was done to stop it recurring?

Whilst talking to the fitter on the phone, he
suggested topping up the pressure and running the hot water to see if
if now worked. Whilst doing this the boiler blew from the top valve
with steam.


Sounds like the automatic air vent. What did you raise the pressure to
(and how reliable was whatever you were measuring it on)?

He is suggesting that we might need a new boiler, but this seems to be
a bit drastic.


Or maybe you need a new fitter :-)



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Combination of Sod's law, clustering of random events, problems of combis
once they get past five years IMHO.

In the past month mine has:

blocked a DHW HX (fixed)
failed the ignition circuit on the main board (fixed)
split a DHW flow sensor diaphragm (fixed)

and in the course of all that, the auto air vent decided not to seat, so it
was dribbling water. Took out the valve and cleaned off the scale
mechanically; now it doesn't leak, or vent either. Waiting for a new
one.....

Oh, it's a Wickes / Halstead. But the preceeding Vaillant behaved much the
same after eight years.

Makes you think about signing up for BG service.....


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On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:07:42 +0000, newshound wrote:

Combination of Sod's law, clustering of random events, problems of
combis once they get past five years IMHO.

In the past month mine has:

blocked a DHW HX (fixed)
failed the ignition circuit on the main board (fixed) split a DHW flow
sensor diaphragm (fixed)

and in the course of all that, the auto air vent decided not to seat, so
it was dribbling water. Took out the valve and cleaned off the scale
mechanically; now it doesn't leak, or vent either. Waiting for a new
one.....

Oh, it's a Wickes / Halstead. But the preceeding Vaillant behaved much
the same after eight years.

Makes you think about signing up for BG service.....


The new HX and the failed auto vent point to problems with the heating
circuit. Possibly a failed expansion vessel then frequent tops up then
corrosion then a new HX?

Properly maintained a Vaillant should go 20 years except for the VUW 2xx
(Turbo Max non plus [1]) which are only a bit better than a 'typical' low
end combi.

ALL combis have pressure vessels and this is one component is the /root/
cause of a sizeable proportion of all combi problems.


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We have a Worcester 28CDi combi boiler that we had installed approx
7/8 years ago. First we had no central heating- the pressure dial was all over the plac=
e, falling and rising.

The pressure dial rising abnormally when the central heating is on and also slowly re=
ducing in pressure over time (so that you have to top up the water pressure via the fill=
loop more frequently than normal) are clues that may infer that the diaphragm in your=
expansion vessell may have failed.

Pressure in my 28cdi used to sit around 1 bar and would rise slightly when the central h=
eating was on.
Over time the boiler would need topping up with water fairly infrequently- when the b=
oiler was new and working properly.

When the diaphragm in the pressure vessell failed, the boiler =

pressure dial behaviour subtly changed. It would rise far more than normal going fro=
m 1 bar prior to the central heating coming on, to 2-3 bar in operation.
Also the water pressure in the system whilst not in operation, would slowly reduce ov=
er time- the boiler would have to be topped up with water via the feed in loop far more fr=
equently than normal.
These changes are subtle and could be overlooked if your system is working ok.
When the pressure vessel diaphragm fails your system will go on working as normal and=
it is difficult to see anything is wrong
other than a change in pressure dial behaviour.

So your boiler will appear to work as normal, with an erratic pressure dial until anot=
her component suddenly fails. =

i.e loss of hot water.

We now have no hot water. When running the tap it warms up to hot

and then goes cold.

The above sign may indicate a common failed component- the diverter valve. The diaph=
ragm in the diverter valve perishes leading to failure of the valve- hence no hot wate=
r, luke warm water or hot water then cold.

Other key components of a combi system are the heat exchangers.

In the 28cdi there is a plate heat exchanger on the hot water on demand circuit. Water p=
asses through this exchanger to acquire heat.
If your water isn't getting as hot as it used to this component may need cleaning or rep=
lacing. They are designed to last 5 years.

Also this boiler has a primary heat exchanger (Gas to water).

This exchanger should last 10 years, so is probably ok in most peoples systems.

If your boiler is behaving irrationally it may have one or more faulty components.

Your pressure dial gives an indication of overall system health.

I watched its behaviour change over time and informed the =


Worcester Bosch heating engineer- this observation helped =


diagnose a faulty expansion vessell. =


This fault was present on my boiler at the same time as a =


faulty diverter valve ( We had lost hot water through our taps).

Many people are now throwing away perfectly good combi boilers =


(along with their own hard earned cash) when they dont need to.


A little self education and observation about your boilers =


operation, helps to diagnose early issues your boiler may have

Learn what your combi boilers pressure dial is for and how to make =


sure it is kept at the correct pressure.

Learn to watch it periodically because it will change its behaviour =


when certain issues arise.


Get your boilers serviced regularly- to prolong boiler life. =



If all else fails and you think your Worcester Bosch boiler has =


problems, call the experts out (Worcester Bosch) or find a good =


researched local independent gas safe service engineer that fixes =


your boiler type on a frequent basis.

A little observation and a little work go a long way in life and =


could save you =C2=A3's.

Look after your boiler and it will look after you.

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In message , Vegelen
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In the 28cdi there is a plate heat exchanger on the hot water on demand
circuit. Water passes through this exchanger to acquire heat.
If your water isn't getting as hot as it used to this component may
need cleaning or replacing. They are designed to last 5 years.

Also this boiler has a primary heat exchanger (Gas to water).

This exchanger should last 10 years, so is probably ok in most peoples systems.

If your boiler is behaving irrationally it may have one or more faulty
components.

Your pressure dial gives an indication of overall system health.

I watched its behaviour change over time and informed the

Worcester Bosch heating engineer


They are fitters - not engineers

They don't engineer anything, they replace parts


- this observation helped

diagnose a faulty expansion vessell.

This fault was present on my boiler at the same time as a

faulty diverter valve ( We had lost hot water through our taps).


Where else does it go ?


Many people are now throwing away perfectly good combi boilers

(along with their own hard earned cash) when they dont need to.


A little self education and observation about your boilers

operation, helps to diagnose early issues your boiler may have

Learn what your combi boilers pressure dial is for and how to make

sure it is kept at the correct pressure.

Learn to watch it periodically because it will change its behaviour

when certain issues arise.


Get your boilers serviced regularly- to prolong boiler life.


How so ?



If all else fails and you think your Worcester Bosch boiler has

problems, call the experts out (Worcester Bosch) or find a good

researched local independent gas safe service engineer that fixes

your boiler type on a frequent basis.

A little observation and a little work go a long way in life and

could save you 's.

Look after your boiler and it will look after you.


I read mine bedtime stories, what do you do ?



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