I moved house and left behind my 4 oven oil fired aga.

The oven in my new house is awful by comparrison so I am considering
another aga.

Does anyone have experience of a new electric aga - the ordinary 13
amp one, not the night storage one?
I have heard mixed reports on their reliability.
Thanks

vbleau wrote:
I moved house and left behind my 4 oven oil fired aga.

The oven in my new house is awful by comparrison so I am considering
another aga.

Does anyone have experience of a new electric aga - the ordinary 13
amp one, not the night storage one?
I have heard mixed reports on their reliability.
Thanks


Dunno what could go WRONG frankly.

The average fuel aga runs at about 600W-1kw 24x7., If that's OK on your
bills, it should be fine..


13A sounds about right..probably toggles a 3KW element on and off.

On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:29:55 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

vbleau wrote:

Does anyone have experience of a new electric aga - the ordinary 13
amp one, not the night storage one?
I have heard mixed reports on their reliability.

[snip]

The average fuel aga runs at about 600W-1kw 24x7., If that's OK on your
bills, it should be fine..

The 4 oven electric Aga averages 1,600W/hr continuously (270kW a
week) according to Aga. By buying a £300 add on timer (Aga
Intelligent Management System) this can be reduced to about 1,300W/hr
or a mere 11.4 MWh per year at a cost of about £1,100.

Peter Parry wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:29:55 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

vbleau wrote:

Does anyone have experience of a new electric aga - the ordinary 13
amp one, not the night storage one?
I have heard mixed reports on their reliability.

[snip]

The average fuel aga runs at about 600W-1kw 24x7., If that's OK on your
bills, it should be fine..

The 4 oven electric Aga averages 1,600W/hr continuously (270kW a
week) according to Aga. By buying a £300 add on timer (Aga
Intelligent Management System) this can be reduced to about 1,300W/hr
or a mere 11.4 MWh per year at a cost of about £1,100.


Apart from the cost, I wonder how much carbon dioxide is emitted?

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:25:12 UTC, Bruce wrote:

Peter Parry wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:29:55 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

vbleau wrote:

Does anyone have experience of a new electric aga - the ordinary 13
amp one, not the night storage one?
I have heard mixed reports on their reliability.

[snip]

The average fuel aga runs at about 600W-1kw 24x7., If that's OK on your
bills, it should be fine..

The 4 oven electric Aga averages 1,600W/hr continuously (270kW a
week) according to Aga. By buying a £300 add on timer (Aga
Intelligent Management System) this can be reduced to about 1,300W/hr
or a mere 11.4 MWh per year at a cost of about £1,100.

Apart from the cost, I wonder how much carbon dioxide is emitted?

None at all by the Aga! :-)

And possibly none at all at all, if it's powered from nukular...

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"Bob Eager" wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:25:12 UTC, Bruce wrote:

Peter Parry wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:29:55 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

vbleau wrote:

Does anyone have experience of a new electric aga - the ordinary 13
amp one, not the night storage one?
I have heard mixed reports on their reliability.

[snip]

The average fuel aga runs at about 600W-1kw 24x7., If that's OK on your
bills, it should be fine..

The 4 oven electric Aga averages 1,600W/hr continuously (270kW a
week) according to Aga. By buying a £300 add on timer (Aga
Intelligent Management System) this can be reduced to about 1,300W/hr
or a mere 11.4 MWh per year at a cost of about £1,100.

Apart from the cost, I wonder how much carbon dioxide is emitted?

None at all by the Aga! :-)

And possibly none at all at all, if it's powered from nukular...


It seems a bit excessive to have a new nuclear power station built
specially to power an Aga. I knew they were incredibly inefficient and
environmentally unfriendly, but are they really that bad? ;-)

In the meantime, the Aga will have to draw its power from the National
Grid. Approximately 80% of the power from the Grid is generated by
fossil fuels (gas and coal) so I repeat, I wonder how much carbon
dioxide is emitted?


[I suppose you are one of those people who think that using an electric
car emits zero carbon!]

On 20 Jan 2009 14:55:22 GMT someone who may be "Bob Eager"
wrote this:-

And possibly none at all at all, if it's powered from nukular...

Nuclear electricity generation emits carbon dioxide, despite claims
to the contrary by the likes of Bernard Ingham. The debate is how
much it emits.

Even if the power station itself emits almost no carbon dioxide,
none of them has a hole in the ground nearby from which fuel rods
can be taken. Rather a lot of stuff has to be mined and separated,
be transported long distances [1] and go through several energy
intensive processes before it is turned into a fuel rod.

If it is to be "reprocessed" then a fuel rod then goes through a
number of energy intensive processes, including producing highly
radioactive nitric acid which must be kept cool using energy
intensive mechanical means in tanks [2] for a long time if it is not
to boil and the tanks possibly explode [3] before it goes through an
energy intensive process to turn it into glass blocks.


[1] no uranium mines in the UK, Australia and Canada are the largest
suppliers and are some way away.

[2] An article in the New Scientist in September 2001 estimated that
an attack on these tanks would release 44 times as much
radioactivity as the 1986 Chernobyl disaster, and would ultimately
cause 1.2 million cancers in Britain and Ireland.

[3] one of the Tomsk-7 explosions illustrated what happens if this
liquid is in an explosion. Fortunately Tomsk-7 is in a remote area.



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On 20 Jan 2009 14:55:22 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:

Apart from the cost, I wonder how much carbon dioxide is emitted?

None at all by the Aga! :-)

And possibly none at all at all, if it's powered from nukular...

Or hydro but both are not including the CO2 emmited during construction of
said power plants...

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Dave.

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:25:12 +0000, Bruce wrote:

Apart from the cost, I wonder how much carbon dioxide is emitted?

About 6 tonnes, very approximately what would be used by flying to New
Zealand and back once every year.

An electric Aga alone uses roughly the same amount on electricity as
the average American home in total does (11MWh per year - source US
Energy Information Administration, 2006 figure)

If you want an example of creative writing the Aga pages on greenery
are well worth a read. Faced with the problem of a user population
which is sensitive to greenwash but generally not terribly bright
(otherwise they would not have bought an Aga in the first place) it
has come up with some remarkably innovative ideas to paint these
dinosaurs green - such as connecting your own personal rooftop
windmill to the Aga to "store" energy.

http://www.aga-web.co.uk/92_907.htm

On Jan 20, 2:18*pm, Peter Parry wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:29:55 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

vbleau wrote:
Does anyone have * experience of a new electric aga - the ordinary 13
amp one, not the night storage one?
I have heard mixed reports on their reliability.

[snip]

The average fuel aga runs at about 600W-1kw 24x7., If that's OK on your
bills, it should be fine..

The 4 oven electric Aga averages 1,600W/hr continuously *(270kW a
week) according to Aga. *By buying a £300 add on timer (Aga
Intelligent Management System) this can be reduced to about 1,300W/hr
or a mere 11.4 MWh per year at a cost of about £1,100.



To be fair, that heat does heat the house so in winter at least there
is some offset.


Robert

On 20 Jan, 16:22, RobertL wrote:

To be fair, that heat does heat the house *so in winter at least there
is some offset.

Heating my kitchen (Victorian, rear extension, poor insulation)
wouldn't usefully heat my house.

RobertL wrote:
On Jan 20, 2:18 pm, Peter Parry wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:29:55 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

vbleau wrote:
Does anyone have experience of a new electric aga - the ordinary 13
amp one, not the night storage one?
I have heard mixed reports on their reliability.
[snip]

The average fuel aga runs at about 600W-1kw 24x7., If that's OK on your
bills, it should be fine..
The 4 oven electric Aga averages 1,600W/hr continuously (270kW a
week) according to Aga. By buying a £300 add on timer (Aga
Intelligent Management System) this can be reduced to about 1,300W/hr
or a mere 11.4 MWh per year at a cost of about £1,100.



To be fair, that heat does heat the house so in winter at least there
is some offset.


Robert


And in summer there is the 'negative offset' of running a/c to keep cool
in the kitchen?

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vbleau wrote:

I moved house and left behind my 4 oven oil fired aga.

Excellent move. If you could arrange for a scrappy to get rid of the
antique pile of crap you'd be heading for the 21st Century, if somewhat
belatedly. But running away from it, as you have, is probably the best
move.

On 21 Jan, 11:29, (Steve Firth) wrote:
vbleau wrote:
I moved house and left behind my 4 oven oil fired aga.

Excellent move. If you could arrange for a scrappy to get rid of the
antique pile of crap you'd be heading for the 21st Century, if somewhat
belatedly. But running away from it, as you have, is probably the best
move.

Perhaps we should be charitable and point out that an electric Aga
should be extremely reliable, as there's very little to go wrong, but
that reliability comes at the cost of, what is regarded by most people
as extremely, large electricity bills. If your disposable income is
high enough not to worry about such things, then that is immaterial.
Most people aren't so lucky.

For the price of a year's worth of electricity to run the Aga, you
could buy a very good fan-assisted electric oven, with change left
over to do the cooking for at least a year. Miele probably make a good
one. You could spend the capital saved in not buying the Aga on some
decent wine to go with the food you cook in the more efficient oven.

I do realise that once you get to a certain level of disposable
income, efficiency is less important than aesthetics and personal
taste. Personally, I wouldn't want a diamond encrusted mobile phone,
or a gold plated Rolls-Royce. Some people do, and the expenditure
doesn't matter to them, so there is a market for such things. Agas are
not diamond encrusted, but they are expensive for what they do. De
gustibus non est disputandum.

Regards,

Sid

wrote:
On 21 Jan, 11:29, (Steve Firth) wrote:
vbleau wrote:
I moved house and left behind my 4 oven oil fired aga.
Excellent move. If you could arrange for a scrappy to get rid of the
antique pile of crap you'd be heading for the 21st Century, if somewhat
belatedly. But running away from it, as you have, is probably the best
move.

Perhaps we should be charitable and point out that an electric Aga
should be extremely reliable, as there's very little to go wrong, but
that reliability comes at the cost of, what is regarded by most people
as extremely, large electricity bills. If your disposable income is
high enough not to worry about such things, then that is immaterial.
Most people aren't so lucky.

For the price of a year's worth of electricity to run the Aga, you
could buy a very good fan-assisted electric oven, with change left
over to do the cooking for at least a year. Miele probably make a good
one. You could spend the capital saved in not buying the Aga on some
decent wine to go with the food you cook in the more efficient oven.

I do realise that once you get to a certain level of disposable
income, efficiency is less important than aesthetics and personal
taste. Personally, I wouldn't want a diamond encrusted mobile phone,
or a gold plated Rolls-Royce. Some people do, and the expenditure
doesn't matter to them, so there is a market for such things. Agas are
not diamond encrusted, but they are expensive for what they do. De
gustibus non est disputandum.

Regards,

Sid

Business opportunity! Could we call it the Aga Khan model?

--
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Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org

On 23 Jan, 15:22, wrote:
On 21 Jan, 11:29, (Steve Firth) wrote:

vbleau wrote:
I moved house and left behind my 4 oven oil fired aga.

Excellent move. If you could arrange for a scrappy to get rid of the
antique pile of crap you'd be heading for the 21st Century, if somewhat
belatedly. But running away from it, as you have, is probably the best
move.

Perhaps we should be charitable and point out that an electric Aga
should be extremely reliable, as there's very little to go wrong, but
that reliability comes at the cost of, what is regarded by most people
as extremely, large electricity bills. If your disposable income is
high enough not to worry about such things, then that is immaterial.
Most people aren't so lucky.

For the price of a year's worth of electricity to run the Aga, you
could buy a very good fan-assisted electric oven, with change left
over to do the cooking for at least a year. Miele probably make a good
one. You could spend the capital saved in not buying the Aga on some
decent wine to go with the food you cook in the more efficient oven.

I do realise that once you get to a certain level of disposable
income, efficiency is less important than aesthetics and personal
taste. Personally, I wouldn't want a diamond encrusted mobile phone,
or a gold plated Rolls-Royce. Some people do, and the expenditure
doesn't matter to them, so there is a market for such things. Agas are
not diamond encrusted, but they are expensive for what they do. De
gustibus non est disputandum.

Regards,

Sid

Thanks Sid and others .
I have touched on a sore point with many it seems.
Fan oven would be no comparison.
Not sure how diamond encrusted mobiles or Rolls-Royce cars fit in.
Fascinating diversion from the original question but I am going to
repeat it .
Anyone got an electric aga? What do you think of it and have you had
any problems?

vbleau wrote:

Not sure how diamond encrusted mobiles or Rolls-Royce cars fit in.


It is called "conspicuous consumption". In your case, it is conspicuous
consumption of electricity.

Don't you feel just a teeny weeny bit guilty about all the CO2 emissions
that will be produced by the power stations that supply the National
Grid, and therefore your grossly inefficient, astonishingly power-hungry
electricity-gobbling monster oven?

There is every reason why you should.

On 26 Jan, 22:55, Bruce wrote:
vbleau wrote:

Not sure how *diamond encrusted mobiles or Rolls-Royce cars fit in.

It is called "conspicuous consumption". *In your case, it is conspicuous
consumption of electricity. *

Don't you feel just a teeny weeny bit guilty about all the CO2 emissions
that will be produced by the power stations that supply the National
Grid, and therefore your grossly inefficient, astonishingly power-hungry
electricity-gobbling monster oven? *

There is every reason why you should.

Guilty?No. It is not really an oven it's a radiator that is on all the
time meaning I will switch off most of the ones in my house that are
on all the time currently in my house in a cold part of the world.
Conveniently I will also be able to cook food in it, better than any
of the many ovens I have owned over the years (except my old aga)

Bruce wrote:
vbleau wrote:
Not sure how diamond encrusted mobiles or Rolls-Royce cars fit in.


It is called "conspicuous consumption". In your case, it is conspicuous
consumption of electricity.

Don't you feel just a teeny weeny bit guilty about all the CO2 emissions
that will be produced by the power stations that supply the National
Grid, and therefore your grossly inefficient, astonishingly power-hungry
electricity-gobbling monster oven?

There is every reason why you should.

Nah. I live within 50 miles of nuclear power station.

;-)

vbleau wrote:
On 23 Jan, 15:22, wrote:
On 21 Jan, 11:29, (Steve Firth) wrote:

vbleau wrote:
I moved house and left behind my 4 oven oil fired aga.
Excellent move. If you could arrange for a scrappy to get rid of the
antique pile of crap you'd be heading for the 21st Century, if somewhat
belatedly. But running away from it, as you have, is probably the best
move.
Perhaps we should be charitable and point out that an electric Aga
should be extremely reliable, as there's very little to go wrong, but
that reliability comes at the cost of, what is regarded by most people
as extremely, large electricity bills. If your disposable income is
high enough not to worry about such things, then that is immaterial.
Most people aren't so lucky.

For the price of a year's worth of electricity to run the Aga, you
could buy a very good fan-assisted electric oven, with change left
over to do the cooking for at least a year. Miele probably make a good
one. You could spend the capital saved in not buying the Aga on some
decent wine to go with the food you cook in the more efficient oven.

I do realise that once you get to a certain level of disposable
income, efficiency is less important than aesthetics and personal
taste. Personally, I wouldn't want a diamond encrusted mobile phone,
or a gold plated Rolls-Royce. Some people do, and the expenditure
doesn't matter to them, so there is a market for such things. Agas are
not diamond encrusted, but they are expensive for what they do. De
gustibus non est disputandum.

Regards,

Sid

Thanks Sid and others .
I have touched on a sore point with many it seems.
Fan oven would be no comparison.
Not sure how diamond encrusted mobiles or Rolls-Royce cars fit in.
Fascinating diversion from the original question but I am going to
repeat it .
Anyone got an electric aga? What do you think of it and have you had
any problems?

These links might, or might not, be of some interest. Note the dates -
prices will be out of date and the views might have changed in response
to that.

http://www.countryliving.co.uk/index.php/chatroom/topic/1248
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=912891

--
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Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org

On 23 Jan, 15:22, wrote:
On 21 Jan, 11:29, (Steve Firth) wrote:

vbleau wrote:
I moved house and left behind my 4 oven oil fired aga.

Excellent move. If you could arrange for a scrappy to get rid of the
antique pile of crap you'd be heading for the 21st Century, if somewhat
belatedly. But running away from it, as you have, is probably the best
move.

Perhaps we should be charitable and point out that an electric Aga
should be extremely reliable, as there's very little to go wrong, but
that reliability comes at the cost of, what is regarded by most people
as extremely, large electricity bills. If your disposable income is
high enough not to worry about such things, then that is immaterial.
Most people aren't so lucky.

For the price of a year's worth of electricity to run the Aga, you
could buy a very good fan-assisted electric oven, with change left
over to do the cooking for at least a year. Miele probably make a good
one. You could spend the capital saved in not buying the Aga on some
decent wine to go with the food you cook in the more efficient oven.

I do realise that once you get to a certain level of disposable
income, efficiency is less important than aesthetics and personal
taste. Personally, I wouldn't want a diamond encrusted mobile phone,
or a gold plated Rolls-Royce. Some people do, and the expenditure
doesn't matter to them, so there is a market for such things. Agas are
not diamond encrusted, but they are expensive for what they do. De
gustibus non est disputandum.

Regards,

Sid

I intend to buy the oven AND the wine