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we have got a ten year old AEG washing machine, and black mould seems to
have penetrated into the light grey rubbery-plastic door seal. Is there any good way of removing this black stain please? Thanks. |
black mould washing machine door seal
john d hamilton wrote:
we have got a ten year old AEG washing machine, and black mould seems to have penetrated into the light grey rubbery-plastic door seal. Is there any good way of removing this black stain please? Thanks. soap and water. mild chlorine solution. leave door open when not inuse. |
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john d hamilton wrote: we have got a ten year old AEG washing machine, and black mould seems to have penetrated into the light grey rubbery-plastic door seal. Is there any good way of removing this black stain please? Thanks. soap and water. mild chlorine solution. leave door open when not inuse. Chlorine is the only practical way to kill the mold. Unfortunately, it can adversely affect the rubber seal. Do start with a weak solution - perhaps 5% solution of 5% chlorine. Increase the strength, only if needed so as to minimize damage to the seal. |
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1 writes: john d hamilton wrote: we have got a ten year old AEG washing machine, and black mould seems to have penetrated into the light grey rubbery-plastic door seal. Is there any good way of removing this black stain please? Thanks. soap and water. mild chlorine solution. Don't use chlorine (bleach) if the washing machine has a GRP (glass reinforced resin/plastic) outer drum, as it will make it brittle and liable to crack. (Or at least, keep it well clear of the plastic.) Don't know what AEG parts cost, but spare parts like the door seal are very cheap for Hotpoint machines, and I would consider replacing it. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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On Nov 8, 1:00*pm, "john d hamilton" wrote:
we have got a ten year old AEG washing machine, and black mould seems to have penetrated into the light grey rubbery-plastic door seal. * Is there any good way of removing this black stain please? * *Thanks. I used HCl based patio cleaner for this, it was very effective. However it needs to be brushed repeatedly to work, and of course you cant do a wash cycle with HCl. A boiling hot wash should kill any mould. LEave the door ajar and hot wash monthly to prevent recurrence. You might also need to demould the soap dispensing area. NT |
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clams_casino writes: Chlorine is the only practical way to kill the mold. Actually, removing what it's living on (which is a residue deposited on the surfaces) is the only way to get rid of it long-term. Chlorine will temporarily kill it, but there's a food source still there and very like a high concentration of spores from other areas in the machine, and it will inevitably reinfect unless residue food source is removed. Chlorine is useless at cleaning things, but it's good at making dirt invisible;-) -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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"john d hamilton" wrote in message
... we have got a ten year old AEG washing machine, and black mould seems to have penetrated into the light grey rubbery-plastic door seal. Is there any good way of removing this black stain please? Thanks. After 10 years, you will soon need to replace the door gasket (if available.) After removing the old one you can clean thoroughly (with chlorine) the groove that secures the gasket. -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) |
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On Nov 8, 7:16*am, (Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
In article , * * * * 1 writes: john d hamilton wrote: we have got a ten year old AEG washing machine, and black mould seems to have penetrated into the light grey rubbery-plastic door seal. * Is there any good way of removing this black stain please? * *Thanks. soap and water. mild chlorine solution. Don't use chlorine (bleach) if the washing machine has a GRP (glass reinforced resin/plastic) outer drum, as it will make it brittle and liable to crack. (Or at least, keep it well clear of the plastic.) Don't know what AEG parts cost, but spare parts like the door seal are very cheap for Hotpoint machines, and I would consider replacing it. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] Now dont you just think a clothes washer where you use bleach to wash, as a normal everyday additive, would have been thought about by the manufacturer. Use bleach, keep door open when not in use. |
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ransley writes: Now dont you just think a clothes washer where you use bleach to wash, as a normal everyday additive, would have been thought about by the manufacturer. Yes, which is why manufacturers have warned against using bleach in washing machines for decades. It's brilliant for giving you fractured plastic parts. Bleach used in washing detergents (in Europe) isn't chlorine based. (Note, I'm answering for UK/Europe as two of the newsgroups the OP included are uk-based. Soap powders used in the US are completely different from the washing detergents used in Europe, and machines have completely different washing cycles for the two products.) -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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On Nov 8, 9:09*am, (Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
In article , * * * * ransley writes: *Now dont you just think a clothes washer where you use bleach to wash, as a normal everyday additive, would have been thought about by the manufacturer. Yes, which is why manufacturers have warned against using bleach in washing machines for decades. It's brilliant for giving you fractured plastic parts. Bleach used in washing detergents (in Europe) isn't chlorine based. (Note, I'm answering for UK/Europe as two of the newsgroups the OP included are uk-based. Soap powders used in the US are completely different from the washing detergents used in Europe, and machines have completely different washing cycles for the two products.) -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] And here no laundrymat says dont use the bleach we sell here. Gee my machine tells me how much bleach to use, and just when to add it, ON THE DOOR of the washer. And there aint no warning, and there have been no problems. These things are designed to be used, not worried about. It would be like saying if you have dirty stained clothes dont buy this machine, buy that one. |
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clams_casino wrote:
1 wrote: john d hamilton wrote: we have got a ten year old AEG washing machine, and black mould seems to have penetrated into the light grey rubbery-plastic door seal. Is there any good way of removing this black stain please? Thanks. soap and water. mild chlorine solution. leave door open when not inuse. Chlorine is the only practical way to kill the mold. Unfortunately, it can adversely affect the rubber seal. Do start with a weak solution - perhaps 5% solution of 5% chlorine. Increase the strength, only if needed so as to minimize damage to the seal. The light grey seal may be permanently STAINED, so even killing the mold with bleach may not remove the stain. Use the bleach to kill mold and then keep the door ajar slightly so that it dries between uses. |
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On Nov 8, 3:43*pm, ransley wrote:
On Nov 8, 9:09*am, (Andrew Gabriel) wrote: In article , * * * * ransley writes: *Now dont you just think a clothes washer where you use bleach to wash, as a normal everyday additive, would have been thought about by the manufacturer. Yes, which is why manufacturers have warned against using bleach in washing machines for decades. It's brilliant for giving you fractured plastic parts. Bleach used in washing detergents (in Europe) isn't chlorine based. (Note, I'm answering for UK/Europe as two of the newsgroups the OP included are uk-based. Soap powders used in the US are completely different from the washing detergents used in Europe, and machines have completely different washing cycles for the two products.) -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] And here no laundrymat says dont use the bleach we sell here. Gee my machine tells me how much bleach to use, and just when to add it, ON THE DOOR of the washer. And there aint no warning, and there have been no problems. These things are designed to be used, not worried about. It would be like saying if you have dirty stained clothes dont buy this machine, buy that one. what country are you in? NT |
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"Norminn" wrote in message m... The light grey seal may be permanently STAINED, so even killing the mold with bleach may not remove the stain. Use the bleach to kill mold and then keep the door ajar slightly so that it dries between uses. The seal will be permanently stained. Every time I have come across this problem, the cause of the mould has usually been washing regularly at cool temperatures. |
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Andrew Gabriel wrote: In article , ransley writes: Now dont you just think a clothes washer where you use bleach to wash, as a normal everyday additive, would have been thought about by the manufacturer. Yes, which is why manufacturers have warned against using bleach in washing machines for decades. It's brilliant for giving you fractured plastic parts. Bleach used in washing detergents (in Europe) isn't chlorine based. [ ... ] In the US of A, most washing machines have built-in dispensers for chlorine bleach. Only the absolute cheapest models give directions for when and how much to manually add. The OP could have been a bit clearer about his location. In any case, I concur with the recommendation to replace the seal; if it's growing mold, it's probably decomposing and will fail soon in any case. Much better to replace it when it's convenient, rather than after the floor gets flooded. Gary -- Gary Heston http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/ Why is it that these days, the words "What idiot" are so frequently followed by the words "at Microsoft"? |
black mould washing machine door seal
john d hamilton wrote:
we have got a ten year old AEG washing machine, and black mould seems to have penetrated into the light grey rubbery-plastic door seal. Is there any good way of removing this black stain please? Thanks. Put a table spoon of vinegar in the wash every now & a again |
black mould washing machine door seal
john d hamilton wrote:
we have got a ten year old AEG washing machine, and black mould seems to have penetrated into the light grey rubbery-plastic door seal. Is there any good way of removing this black stain please? Thanks. Bleach. |
black mould washing machine door seal
bleach will be the best solution..
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On Nov 10, 9:52*pm, " wrote:
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On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 07:43:11 -0800 (PST), ransley
wrote: And here no laundrymat says dont use the bleach we sell here. Gee my machine tells me how much bleach to use, and just when to add it, ON THE DOOR of the washer. And there aint no warning, and there have been no problems. These things are designed to be used, not worried about. It would be like saying if you have dirty stained clothes dont buy this machine, buy that one. Its a unique feature of the USA that many inhabitants combine everything - whites, colours, dirty nappies, delicates into their huge top loading washing machine, add heaps of bleach and washing powder then heat it to boiling for a couple of hours before spinning it to within an inch of its life. Then they tumble dry the washing into submission when they have a house on a 2 acre plot and outside its 80 deg C, with a gentle breeze and blue sky as far as you can see. This explains why their clothes 'fade' and 'wear out' at fifty times the rate in Europe and why they are constantly buying new clothes from sweat ships in the far east and thereby sustaining their massive trade deficit. European front loaders with their low temperature cycles and powder formulations lead to very low levels of fade and fabric damage using significantly less energy and water. Not my words but essentially those of a Professor in fabric technology at a UK university. Having said that I think the widespread use of disposable nappies might have improved the quality of their washing slightly. :) -- |
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Mike wrote:
On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 07:43:11 -0800 (PST), ransley wrote: And here no laundrymat says dont use the bleach we sell here. Gee my machine tells me how much bleach to use, and just when to add it, ON THE DOOR of the washer. And there aint no warning, and there have been no problems. These things are designed to be used, not worried about. It would be like saying if you have dirty stained clothes dont buy this machine, buy that one. Its a unique feature of the USA that many inhabitants combine everything - whites, colours, dirty nappies, delicates into their huge top loading washing machine, add heaps of bleach and washing powder then heat it to boiling for a couple of hours before spinning it to within an inch of its life. Then they tumble dry the washing into submission when they have a house on a 2 acre plot and outside its 80 deg C, with a gentle breeze and blue sky as far as you can see. Are you living in a cartoon? 176F outside temperature and boiling water in a washing machine with a two hour wash cycle? This explains why their clothes 'fade' and 'wear out' at fifty times the rate in Europe and why they are constantly buying new clothes from sweat ships in the far east and thereby sustaining their massive trade deficit. European front loaders with their low temperature cycles and powder formulations lead to very low levels of fade and fabric damage using significantly less energy and water. Not my words but essentially those of a Professor in fabric technology at a UK university. He made those time / temperature claims? What a wacko. |
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Mike writes: Its a unique feature of the USA that many inhabitants combine everything - whites, colours, dirty nappies, delicates into their huge top loading washing machine, add heaps of bleach and washing powder then heat it to boiling for a couple of hours before spinning it to within an inch of its life. Then they tumble dry the washing into submission when they have a house on a 2 acre plot and outside its 80 deg C, with a gentle breeze and blue sky as far as you can see. This explains why their clothes 'fade' and 'wear out' at fifty times the rate in Europe and why they are constantly buying new clothes from sweat ships in the far east and thereby sustaining their massive trade deficit. European front loaders with their low temperature cycles and powder formulations lead to very low levels of fade and fabric damage using significantly less energy and water. Not my words but essentially those of a Professor in fabric technology at a UK university. Having said that I think the widespread use of disposable nappies might have improved the quality of their washing slightly. :) US and Europe have completely different washing machine technologies (I use washing machines on both sides of the atlantic). It's not just the machines, but the wash programs, the plumbing, the mains supply, and the soap/detergents are all part of the system, and completely different. Europe used to use US style washers, but moved away from vertical axis drums about 50 years as newer better products appeared on the market. 30 years ago, the economy of the wash started to get important, and since then, the European horizontal axis drums (which were already much more efficient than the earlier vertical axis drums they replaced) have become very much more efficient. US has more started becoming concerned about wash economy too, but you can't simply put a European washing machine in the US, as you can't buy detergent for it (and US soap power won't work in it), and you can't get enough power out of the mains outlet to power it. You have been able buy to horizontal axis drum machines in the US for a while now, but they can't operate like European machines, for the same reasons. For any US readers wondering what's so different about European washers, they mostly now only use cold water supplies, and they use very much less water. The washing detergents are all designed for relatively cold washes. Even if you want to do a hot wash, you must start with a cool wash as a number of the detergent clensing ingredients are destroyed above certain temperatures, and won't get a chance to operate on their target dirt if you expose them to hot water from the start. Max initial temperature is 30C (86F), and a normal wash is achievable at 35C (95F) max. If you want to do a higher temperature wash, then the washer must do what's called a profiled temperature wash from 30C (86F) to 50C (122F) whereby it increases the temperature slowly over this range to allow the components of detergent to operature at their working temperatures. Once you get to 50C (122F), if you still want to go higher, that can then be done quickly. With a good detergent (and not one of the eco-crap ones), it's very rarely necessary to wash everyday items above 35C (95F) anyway. So European washing machines don't need a hot water supply, but they are all about 2.5kW, which is well over what can be drawn from a US outlet. They actually don't use much energy (the heater is operated only very briefly because the water content is so little), and they could easily be made to operate at a lower power, but that's not necessary anywhere in Europe. They won't work with US soap powder, and it's not necessary to use bleach in the wash with European washine detergents (so the washers can use plastic parts which are damaged by bleach, as mentioned earlier up the thread, and hence most explicitly forbid the use of bleach). IME, European machines have very much more effective spin drying cycles -- it was something that became a competitve marketing feature about 20 years ago. Contrary to the comments made by Mike above, the low temperature profiled wash takes a bit longer than a US wash, but does produce less wear in fabrics. Some machines can be set to do a fast (less economic) wash if you need to (mine has a 30 minute program for this purpose). -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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Mike wrote: [ ... ] Then they tumble dry the washing into submission when they have a house on a 2 acre plot and outside its 80 deg C, with a gentle breeze and blue sky as far as you can see. [ ... ] Not my words but essentially those of a Professor in fabric technology at a UK university. You have a professor at a UK university who thinks places in the US routinely have 80C temperatures? That's 176F; doesn't happen. Might explain the state of education in the UK... Having said that I think the widespread use of disposable nappies might have improved the quality of their washing slightly. :) Most people using non-disposable diapers here purchase a used maching which is used only for the diapers, then sold once the child is out of diapers. Gary -- Gary Heston http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/ Why is it that these days, the words "What idiot" are so frequently followed by the words "at Microsoft"? |
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Bob Eager wrote:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 03:26:01 UTC, (Gary Heston) wrote: In article , Mike wrote: [ ... ] Then they tumble dry the washing into submission when they have a house on a 2 acre plot and outside its 80 deg C, with a gentle breeze and blue sky as far as you can see. [ ... ] Not my words but essentially those of a Professor in fabric technology at a UK university. You have a professor at a UK university who thinks places in the US routinely have 80C temperatures? That's 176F; doesn't happen. Making a lot out of a typo, aren't you? I suppose the "heat it to boiling for a couple of hours" claim was also a typo? |
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On Nov 14, 4:51*am, Huge wrote:
On 2008-11-13, Andrew Gabriel wrote: US has more started becoming concerned about wash economy too, but you can't simply put a European washing machine in the US, W-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-lll. You can buy Bosch front-loaders in the US now, although as you say, low foam detergents are hard to find, and rumour has it that Bosch don't have much of a service operation in the US, so it will be hard to get it fixed if it fails. The Bosch's sold in the US use the same HE detergents that all the other front loading machines sold in the US use. And it's not hard to find, Tide is one common brand. I would also not assume that the Bosch's sold in the US are the same, or even similar to those sold in Europe. So European washing machines don't need a hot water supply, but they are all about 2.5kW, which is well over what can be drawn from a US outlet. * * * * * *^ * * * * * *110V A lot of US houses have 220V, too, especially for domestic appliances. IME, European machines have very much more effective spin drying cycles IME, European washing machines are superior in every respect to American ones. And as for a stacked tumble drier on top of a top-loading washing machine.... I nearly peed myself laughing the first time I saw one. -- * *"I have never been able to conceive how any rational being could propose happiness to himself from the exercise of power over others." - Thomas Jefferson * * * * * * * *[email me at huge {at} huge (dot) org dot uk] |
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On Nov 14, 8:39*am, Huge wrote:
On 2008-11-14, clams_casino wrote: Bob Eager wrote: On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 03:26:01 UTC, (Gary Heston) wrote: In article , Mike wrote: [ ... ] * Then they tumble dry the washing into submission when they have a house on a 2 acre plot and outside its 80 deg C, with a gentle breeze and blue sky as far as you can see. *[ ... ] Not my words but essentially those of a Professor in fabric technology at a UK university. You have a professor at a UK university who thinks places in the US routinely have 80C temperatures? That's 176F; doesn't happen. Making a lot out of a typo, aren't you? I suppose the "heat it to boiling for a couple of hours" claim was also a typo? No, it was the truth. What an ignoramus. -- * *"I have never been able to conceive how any rational being could propose happiness to himself from the exercise of power over others." - Thomas Jefferson * * * * * * * *[email me at huge {at} huge (dot) org dot uk]- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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Huge wrote:
On 2008-11-14, wrote: On Nov 14, 4:51 am, Huge wrote: On 2008-11-13, Andrew Gabriel wrote: US has more started becoming concerned about wash economy too, but you can't simply put a European washing machine in the US, W-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-lll. You can buy Bosch front-loaders in the US now, although as you say, low foam detergents are hard to find, and rumour has it that Bosch don't have much of a service operation in the US, so it will be hard to get it fixed if it fails. The Bosch's sold in the US use the same HE detergents that all the other front loading machines sold in the US use. And there are ****loads of those, right? Actually, this thread prompted me to have a quick look at the Maytag site. (Couldn't think of another make.) Quite a few front loaders. 6 out of 15. -- Rod Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious onset. Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed. www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org |
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On Nov 14, 10:14*am, Huge wrote:
On 2008-11-14, wrote: On Nov 14, 4:51*am, Huge wrote: On 2008-11-13, Andrew Gabriel wrote: US has more started becoming concerned about wash economy too, but you can't simply put a European washing machine in the US, W-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-lll. You can buy Bosch front-loaders in the US now, although as you say, low foam detergents are hard to find, and rumour has it that Bosch don't have much of a service operation in the US, so it will be hard to get it fixed if it fails. The Bosch's sold in the US use the same HE detergents that all the other front loading machines sold in the US use. And there are ****loads of those, right? Well, actually yes, there are lots of front loaders being sold. If you got away from watching cartoons and went to any appliance store you would see that the stores are full of them. -- * *"I have never been able to conceive how any rational being could propose happiness to himself from the exercise of power over others." - Thomas Jefferson * * * * * * * *[email me at huge {at} huge (dot) org dot uk] |
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On Nov 15, 4:47*am, Huge wrote:
On 2008-11-14, wrote: On Nov 14, 10:14*am, Huge wrote: On 2008-11-14, wrote: On Nov 14, 4:51*am, Huge wrote: On 2008-11-13, Andrew Gabriel wrote: US has more started becoming concerned about wash economy too, but you can't simply put a European washing machine in the US, W-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-lll. You can buy Bosch front-loaders in the US now, although as you say, low foam detergents are hard to find, and rumour has it that Bosch don't have much of a service operation in the US, so it will be hard to get it fixed if it fails. The Bosch's sold in the US use the same HE detergents that all the other front loading machines sold in the US use. And there are ****loads of those, right? Well, actually yes, there are lots of front loaders being sold. * If you got away from watching cartoons and went to any appliance store you would see that the stores are full of them. One of the less attractive traits of Merkins is the utter inability to admit they're wrong. And exactly who's wrong here about what? Let's recap. Someone posted: "you can't simply put a European washing machine in the US," To which you replied: " W-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-lll. You can buy Bosch front-loaders in the US now, although as you say, low foam detergents are hard to find, and rumour has it that Bosch don't have much of a service operation in the US, so it will be hard to get it fixed if it fails. " That makes the false implication that because Bosch's washers are being sold in the US, that they are a European type front loader machine, in some way identical to the features, voltages, cycles, etc of the European machines being discussed in this thread. For example, in this thread it was claimed that European machines don't need a hot water connection because they do any heating themselves. I can assure you that the front loaders sold here do require a hot water connection, just as any washer would. Just because they are Bosch doesn't mean that besides being front loaders they are European machines. In fact, they are made for the US market and are similar to ALL THE OTHER FRONT LOADERS SOLD HERE. And the HE type detergent that ALL the manufacturers of front loaders being sold in the US recommend, including Bosch, is widely available. Tide HE is but one common example that you can find in just about any supermarket. You're dead wrong on that one. And then after I posted: The Bosch's sold in the US use the same HE detergents that all the other front loading machines sold in the US use. Your reply was: "And there are ****loads of those, right? " As another poster pointed out, from Maytag's website, 6 of the 15 washers they sell here are front loaders. Take a look at a common retailer, BestBuy's website. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....&type=category They have 23 top loaders and 73 FRONT LOADERS as line items. Front loader manufacturers are Whirlpool, LG, Frigidaire, Maytag, GE, Samsung, Electrolux, and Kitchenaid. And given the price delta, which do you think they push and sell? Walk into the store and the front loaders are prominently featured, the top loaders are in the back. So, living in the UK, stop making an ass of yourself about that which you don't know. Perhaps using rumours as if they were fact is your major malfunction. |
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On Nov 15, 4:47 am, Huge wrote: On 2008-11-14, wrote: On Nov 14, 10:14 am, Huge wrote: On 2008-11-14, wrote: On Nov 14, 4:51 am, Huge wrote: On 2008-11-13, Andrew Gabriel wrote: US has more started becoming concerned about wash economy too, but you can't simply put a European washing machine in the US, W-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-lll. You can buy Bosch front-loaders in the US now, although as you say, low foam detergents are hard to find, and rumour has it that Bosch don't have much of a service operation in the US, so it will be hard to get it fixed if it fails. The Bosch's sold in the US use the same HE detergents that all the other front loading machines sold in the US use. And there are ****loads of those, right? Well, actually yes, there are lots of front loaders being sold. If you got away from watching cartoons and went to any appliance store you would see that the stores are full of them. One of the less attractive traits of Merkins is the utter inability to admit they're wrong. And exactly who's wrong here about what? Let's recap. Someone posted: "you can't simply put a European washing machine in the US," To which you replied: " W-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-lll. You can buy Bosch front-loaders in the US now, although as you say, low foam detergents are hard to find, and rumour has it that Bosch don't have much of a service operation in the US, so it will be hard to get it fixed if it fails. " That makes the false implication that because Bosch's washers are being sold in the US, that they are a European type front loader machine, in some way identical to the features, voltages, cycles, etc of the European machines being discussed in this thread. For example, in this thread it was claimed that European machines don't need a hot water connection because they do any heating themselves. I can assure you that the front loaders sold here do require a hot water connection, just as any washer would. Just because they are Bosch doesn't mean that besides being front loaders they are European machines. In fact, they are made for the US market and are similar to ALL THE OTHER FRONT LOADERS SOLD HERE. And the HE type detergent that ALL the manufacturers of front loaders being sold in the US recommend, including Bosch, is widely available. Tide HE is but one common example that you can find in just about any supermarket. You're dead wrong on that one. And then after I posted: The Bosch's sold in the US use the same HE detergents that all the other front loading machines sold in the US use. Your reply was: "And there are ****loads of those, right? " As another poster pointed out, from Maytag's website, 6 of the 15 washers they sell here are front loaders. Take a look at a common retailer, BestBuy's website. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....&type=category They have 23 top loaders and 73 FRONT LOADERS as line items. Front loader manufacturers are Whirlpool, LG, Frigidaire, Maytag, GE, Samsung, Electrolux, and Kitchenaid. And given the price delta, which do you think they push and sell? Walk into the store and the front loaders are prominently featured, the top loaders are in the back. So, living in the UK, stop making an ass of yourself about that which you don't know. Perhaps using rumours as if they were fact is your major malfunction. On the other hand the Bosch WAS20160UC (a current model in the US) requires Nominal voltage: 220-240V, 60Hz; Nominal current: 15A. Which is remarkably close to the specification of broadly similar models in Europe. (OK - let us accept the 50/60 Hz thing is a minor difference.) It does have hot and cold fill - but that seems unrelated to the machine's electrical spec. (I.e. at that rating, a fairly decent internal heating element is quite feasible.) If you go to the WFMC8440UC model, you get: Internal Water Heater An internal heating element heats the water to up to 170 F while a digital temperature sensor continually monitors the water temperature. Bosch Nexxt washers deliver the most efficient and accurate water heating method for each selected fabric type. (Though that is a 110-120V model with just 1350W rating.) -- Rod Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious onset. Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed. www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org |
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On Nov 17, 8:55*am, Huge wrote:
On 2008-11-15, wrote: On Nov 15, 4:47*am, Huge wrote: And exactly who's wrong here about what? You are. So, living in the UK, I was wondering when another of the unpleasant traits of this particular ex-Colony would arise; parochiality. That, combined with the aforementioned inability to admit error, is beiong ably demonstrated here. Of course, you know as little about me as you do about everything else, so you are as wrong about my knowledge of the USA as everything else. -- * *"I have never been able to conceive how any rational being could propose happiness to himself from the exercise of power over others." - Thomas Jefferson * * * * * * * *[email me at huge {at} huge (dot) org dot uk] LOL. Forget all the above drivel. Do you still want to claim: Claim: Bosch front loaders sold in the USA are somehow different "European type" front loaders and make it sound like they are somehow unique and one of the only machines of that type available? Fact: They have features similar to ALL THE OTHER WIDELY AVAILABLE FRONT LOADERS being sold be virtually every washing machine manufacturer selling products in the USA: Maytag, Whirpool, LG, Samsung, Kenmore, Frigidare, GE, etc. Claim: Runours about Bosch service being poor. Fact: Instead of posting about rumours, if you don't have any factual data or experience, only an idiot would cite rumours as advice. Claim: Front loaders aren't common here. Fact: They represent a substantial part, if not most, of many of these manufacturer's product lines. When's the last time you;ve been in a US appliance retailer or even looked at their website. Did you look at the Bestbuy link? Claim: HE detergent for front loaders is hard to find in the US. Fact: The shelves in any supermarket, discount store, wholesale club are full of them. Tide, Gain, All, Cheer, House brands, probably 8 or more different ones to choose from in any reasonable store. So, what kind of moron are you? |
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"Huge" wrote in message ... On 2008-11-17, wrote: On Nov 17, 8:55 am, Huge wrote: snip Claim: Front loaders aren't common here. Fact: They represent a substantial part, if not most, of many of these manufacturer's product lines. When's the last time you;ve been in a US appliance retailer or even looked at their website. Did you look at the Bestbuy link? Incorrect. No comment on the other assertions but I looked out of interest and Frigidaire were offering one top loader and about twenty front loaders, which would seem to indicate correct rather than incorrect! -- Bob Mannix (anti-spam is as easy as 1-2-3 - not) |
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