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Soldering chromed pipe
Anyone tried soldering chromed pipe?
Looking to make a join with an endfeed fitting rather than a bulky chrome compression fitting, which I might try painting silver afterwards. I presume you have to strip the chrome to do the soldering, but does the heat wreck the chrome further back up the pipe? (I don't have a piece to hand to try it on, or I'd answer my own question.) -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
Soldering chromed pipe
On 1 Jul, 13:48, (Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
Anyone tried soldering chromed pipe? Looking to make a join with an endfeed fitting rather than a bulky chrome compression fitting, which I might try painting silver afterwards. I presume you have to strip the chrome to do the soldering, but does the heat wreck the chrome further back up the pipe? (I don't have a piece to hand to try it on, or I'd answer my own question.) -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] You don't have to strip the chrome fully - but abrading it helps. I've never done it on a joint in view, but as far as I recall, the chrome gets a bit rainbow hued for about 1cm max from the joint - other than that, it is unaffected. I don't know whether it would polish out again. |
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Soldering chromed pipe
Andrew Gabriel submitted this idea :
Anyone tried soldering chromed pipe? Looking to make a join with an endfeed fitting rather than a bulky chrome compression fitting, which I might try painting silver afterwards. I presume you have to strip the chrome to do the soldering, but does the heat wreck the chrome further back up the pipe? (I don't have a piece to hand to try it on, or I'd answer my own question.) Well don't do what a British Gas - gas fitter did in my parents home some years ago... He tried to solder a copper fitting onto a chromed copper pipe without taking the chrome off first. Of course the solder never wetted the pipe at all and later the pipe worked its way out of the fitting causing a gas leak. Strip the chrome off back to clean copper with abrasive and you will be fine. -- Regards, Harry (M1BYT) (L) http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk |
Soldering chromed pipe
On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 16:09:17 +0100, Harry Bloomfield
wrote: Andrew Gabriel submitted this idea : Anyone tried soldering chromed pipe? Looking to make a join with an endfeed fitting rather than a bulky chrome compression fitting, which I might try painting silver afterwards. I presume you have to strip the chrome to do the soldering, but does the heat wreck the chrome further back up the pipe? (I don't have a piece to hand to try it on, or I'd answer my own question.) Well don't do what a British Gas - gas fitter did in my parents home some years ago... He tried to solder a copper fitting onto a chromed copper pipe without taking the chrome off first. Of course the solder never wetted the pipe at all and later the pipe worked its way out of the fitting causing a gas leak. Strip the chrome off back to clean copper with abrasive and you will be fine. Thats what I did in my bathroom to use chrome on the rad tails and the joint worked fine . |
Soldering chromed pipe
"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message .. . Anyone tried soldering chromed pipe? Looking to make a join with an endfeed fitting rather than a bulky chrome compression fitting, which I might try painting silver afterwards. I presume you have to strip the chrome to do the soldering, but does the heat wreck the chrome further back up the pipe? (I don't have a piece to hand to try it on, or I'd answer my own question.) Poor quality chrome can flake, due to differential expansion, but otherwise there should be no noticeable effect, unless you overheat it. The best way to strip the chrome off is to heat the pipe gently and dip it in hydrochloric acid. Naturally, this is something that needs to be done with care and with suitable protective measures, but you get very precise control over how far it is stripped back and a neat line between chromed and (very clean) non-chromed bits. Solder as quickly as possible after dipping for best effect. Colin Bignell |
Soldering chromed pipe
Andrew Gabriel wrote:
Anyone tried soldering chromed pipe? You can't. Looking to make a join with an endfeed fitting rather than a bulky chrome compression fitting, which I might try painting silver afterwards. I presume you have to strip the chrome to do the soldering, but does the heat wreck the chrome further back up the pipe? (I don't have a piece to hand to try it on, or I'd answer my own question.) My experience with chrome is you never get the stuff off, or it comes off in huge ugly flakes. |
Soldering chromed pipe
On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:22:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote: Andrew Gabriel wrote: Anyone tried soldering chromed pipe? You can't. Looking to make a join with an endfeed fitting rather than a bulky chrome compression fitting, which I might try painting silver afterwards. I presume you have to strip the chrome to do the soldering, but does the heat wreck the chrome further back up the pipe? (I don't have a piece to hand to try it on, or I'd answer my own question.) My experience with chrome is you never get the stuff off, or it comes off in huge ugly flakes. Not my experience .I just used rough sandpaper to start it then finished with fine stuff .It wasn't easy but it came off in time . |
Soldering chromed pipe
"John" wrote:
I have serious doubts as to whether the solder will really work properly. Soldering actually alloys itself into the metals being jointed. (I recall sectioning and polishing samples at college) Chrome wouldn't alloy to the solder - you may end up sticking the parts together - but it won't be as good as solder on copper (IMHO). That is a valid point, but with respect, Andrew said at the outset that he would be removing the chrome plating from the end of the chromed copper pipe so that the solder would take. |
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On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 00:29:52 +0100, Bruce wrote:
"John" wrote: I have serious doubts as to whether the solder will really work properly. Soldering actually alloys itself into the metals being jointed. (I recall sectioning and polishing samples at college) Chrome wouldn't alloy to the solder - you may end up sticking the parts together - but it won't be as good as solder on copper (IMHO). That is a valid point, but with respect, Andrew said at the outset that he would be removing the chrome plating from the end of the chromed copper pipe so that the solder would take. You'd probably be better off using stainless steel rather than chrome-plated pipe. -- Frank Erskine |
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On 1 Jul, 16:04, "John" wrote:
"Bruce" wrote in message I have serious doubts as to whether the solder will really work properly. Soldering actually alloys itself into the metals being jointed. (I recall sectioning and polishing samples at college) Chrome wouldn't alloy to the solder - you may end up sticking the parts together - but it won't be as good as solder on copper (IMHO).- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - As long as you abrade it enough to get some copper shining through in the troughs of the scratches, the solder will take well enough in my experience. Having said that, it's only four years and counting since the first one I did, so there would be ample time for premature failure. It seems easy enough to tell the difference between one which hasn't worked (the solder doesn't wet the joint properly at all) and one which has. |
Soldering chromed pipe
Frank Erskine wrote:
On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 00:29:52 +0100, Bruce wrote: "John" wrote: I have serious doubts as to whether the solder will really work properly. Soldering actually alloys itself into the metals being jointed. (I recall sectioning and polishing samples at college) Chrome wouldn't alloy to the solder - you may end up sticking the parts together - but it won't be as good as solder on copper (IMHO). That is a valid point, but with respect, Andrew said at the outset that he would be removing the chrome plating from the end of the chromed copper pipe so that the solder would take. You'd probably be better off using stainless steel rather than chrome-plated pipe. How well does solder take to stainless steel? That's a genuine question, because I have never tried it. |
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Bruce wrote:
Frank Erskine wrote: On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 00:29:52 +0100, Bruce wrote: "John" wrote: I have serious doubts as to whether the solder will really work properly. Soldering actually alloys itself into the metals being jointed. (I recall sectioning and polishing samples at college) Chrome wouldn't alloy to the solder - you may end up sticking the parts together - but it won't be as good as solder on copper (IMHO). That is a valid point, but with respect, Andrew said at the outset that he would be removing the chrome plating from the end of the chromed copper pipe so that the solder would take. You'd probably be better off using stainless steel rather than chrome-plated pipe. How well does solder take to stainless steel? That's a genuine question, because I have never tried it. Mostly it doesn't. It's probably the chrome in the steel...;-) |
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replying to John, Haidee01 wrote:
Hey, I believe you are thinking of welding where the weld alloys with the parent metals, in soldering however, the temperature used is not high enough to melt the parent metals so only the filler metal will be melted. Aside from discolouring, solder should work on the chrome -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/uk-diy...pe-491014-.htm |
Soldering chromed pipe
On 14/06/18 13:14, Haidee01 wrote:
replying to John, Haidee01 wrote: Hey, I believe you are thinking of welding where the weld alloys with the parent metals, in soldering however, the temperature used is not high enough to melt the parent metals so only the filler metal will be melted. Aside from discolouring, solder should work on the chrome Golly. Only ten years out of date -- it should be clear by now to everyone that activist environmentalism (or environmental activism) is becoming a general ideology about humans, about their freedom, about the relationship between the individual and the state, and about the manipulation of people under the guise of a 'noble' idea. It is not an honest pursuit of 'sustainable development,' a matter of elementary environmental protection, or a search for rational mechanisms designed to achieve a healthy environment. Yet things do occur that make you shake your head and remind yourself that you live neither in Joseph Stalins Communist era, nor in the Orwellian utopia of 1984. Vaclav Klaus |
Soldering chromed pipe
On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 16:22:50 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote: On 14/06/18 13:14, Haidee01 wrote: replying to John, Haidee01 wrote: Hey, I believe you are thinking of welding where the weld alloys with the parent metals, in soldering however, the temperature used is not high enough to melt the parent metals so only the filler metal will be melted. Aside from discolouring, solder should work on the chrome Golly. Only ten years out of date And I didn't think chrome can be soldered. -- Dave W |
Soldering chromed pipe
Dave W formulated on Thursday :
And I didn't think chrome can be soldered. It cannot be soldered. It can if the chrome plating is removed first. |
Soldering chromed pipe
On Tuesday, 1 July 2008 13:48:37 UTC+1, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
Anyone tried soldering chromed pipe? Looking to make a join with an endfeed fitting rather than a bulky chrome compression fitting, which I might try painting silver afterwards. I presume you have to strip the chrome to do the soldering, but does the heat wreck the chrome further back up the pipe? (I don't have a piece to hand to try it on, or I'd answer my own question.) -- I have always stripped the chrome off completely on the bench grinder. (Angle grinder with longer bits of pipe.) This is after I assembled some solder joints which just blew apart under mains pressure. 'Twas years ago, maybe fluxes have improved. |
Soldering chromed pipe
On Tuesday, 1 July 2008 13:48:37 UTC+1, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
Anyone tried soldering chromed pipe? Looking to make a join with an endfeed fitting rather than a bulky chrome compression fitting, which I might try painting silver afterwards. I presume you have to strip the chrome to do the soldering, but does the heat wreck the chrome further back up the pipe? (I don't have a piece to hand to try it on, or I'd answer my own question.) -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] Why Chrome pushfits? Used these on a shower years ago and no problems so far. |
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Andrew Gabriel wrote :
Well, since I asked that 10 years ago, if I'd used pushfit, they would be halfway through the life of the O-rings by now. I generally design my plumbing installations to last longer than the lifetime of pushfit couplings. It's not smart to design a plumbing installation that is likely to fail in my old age. Second issue is that the chrome is very hard, and the grab rings often fail to bite into it, and the coupling comes off some random time later. So you should strip the chrome for pushfit fittings too. Third, I'm using chrome to make the installation look nice. Why would I spoil that with bulbous pushfit fittings? On appearance, I wiped solder over the outside of the end- feed couplings whilst soldering them, and then they blended in with the chrome pipe. Is the correct answer lol |
Soldering chromed pipe
On Tuesday, 1 July 2008 13:48:37 UTC+1, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
Anyone tried soldering chromed pipe? Looking to make a join with an endfeed fitting rather than a bulky chrome compression fitting, which I might try painting silver afterwards. I presume you have to strip the chrome to do the soldering, but does the heat wreck the chrome further back up the pipe? (I don't have a piece to hand to try it on, or I'd answer my own question.) -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] All fair points but the ones I used were a similar size to Yorkshire fittings. not sure about the lifespan but after ten years (shower install) they seem to be OK. Techtite make no mention of a lifespan but I'm strictly an amateur so only speaking of one experience, maybe ignorance is bliss? The post is as you say 10yrs old (I didn't notice that) so it's a moot ponit now. |
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On Tuesday, 1 July 2008 13:48:37 UTC+1, Andrew Gabriel wrote: Anyone tried soldering chromed pipe? Looking to make a join with an endfeed fitting rather than a bulky chrome compression fitting, which I might try painting silver afterwards. I presume you have to strip the chrome to do the soldering, but does the heat wreck the chrome further back up the pipe? (I don't have a piece to hand to try it on, or I'd answer my own question.) -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] All fair points but the ones I used were a similar size to Yorkshire fittings. not sure about the lifespan but after ten years (shower install) they seem to be OK. Techtite make no mention of a lifespan but I'm strictly an amateur so only speaking of one experience, maybe ignorance is bliss? The post is as you say 10yrs old (I didn't notice that) so it's a moot ponit now. Youd make a lot more sense if you learned to quote what youre replying too rather than a 10 year old post (like Ive just done). Tim -- Please don't feed the trolls |
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On Friday, 22 June 2018 20:05:07 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:
wrote: On Tuesday, 1 July 2008 13:48:37 UTC+1, Andrew Gabriel wrote: Anyone tried soldering chromed pipe? Looking to make a join with an endfeed fitting rather than a bulky chrome compression fitting, which I might try painting silver afterwards. I presume you have to strip the chrome to do the soldering, but does the heat wreck the chrome further back up the pipe? (I don't have a piece to hand to try it on, or I'd answer my own question.) -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] All fair points but the ones I used were a similar size to Yorkshire fittings. not sure about the lifespan but after ten years (shower install) they seem to be OK. Techtite make no mention of a lifespan but I'm strictly an amateur so only speaking of one experience, maybe ignorance is bliss? The post is as you say 10yrs old (I didn't notice that) so it's a moot ponit now. Youd make a lot more sense if you learned to quote what youre replying too rather than a 10 year old post (like Ive just done). Tim -- Please don't feed the trolls My apologies Oh great roll master. I'm deeply ashamed at my lack of skill and knowledge of newgroup etiquette. Now **** off and don't let the door hit you in the arse as you leave. |
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On Friday, 22 June 2018 20:05:07 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:
wrote: On Tuesday, 1 July 2008 13:48:37 UTC+1, Andrew Gabriel wrote: Anyone tried soldering chromed pipe? Looking to make a join with an endfeed fitting rather than a bulky chrome compression fitting, which I might try painting silver afterwards. I presume you have to strip the chrome to do the soldering, but does the heat wreck the chrome further back up the pipe? (I don't have a piece to hand to try it on, or I'd answer my own question.) -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] All fair points but the ones I used were a similar size to Yorkshire fittings. not sure about the lifespan but after ten years (shower install) they seem to be OK. Techtite make no mention of a lifespan but I'm strictly an amateur so only speaking of one experience, maybe ignorance is bliss? The post is as you say 10yrs old (I didn't notice that) so it's a moot ponit now. Youd make a lot more sense if you learned to quote what youre replying too rather than a 10 year old post (like Ive just done). Tim -- Please don't feed the trolls My apologies Oh great troll master. I'm deeply ashamed at my lack of skill and knowledge of newgroup etiquette. Now **** off and don't let the door hit you in the arse as you leave. |
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replying to boltmail, johnone12 wrote:
use a dremel, with the barrel roll fitted. removes chrome in a minute -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/uk-diy...pe-491014-.htm |
Soldering chromed pipe
On Monday, 28 January 2019 01:14:05 UTC, johnone12 wrote:
replying to boltmail, johnone12 wrote: use a dremel, with the barrel roll fitted. removes chrome in a minute You don't think he's already done the job in the 11 years since asking then. |
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He might have been stranded on Mars or something...
Or maybe not. That bloody site needs a big rocket up its bum it sorts to months and ignores years. Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! wrote in message ... On Monday, 28 January 2019 01:14:05 UTC, johnone12 wrote: replying to boltmail, johnone12 wrote: use a dremel, with the barrel roll fitted. removes chrome in a minute You don't think he's already done the job in the 11 years since asking then. |
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