Freesat dish - DIY possible ?
 

On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:44:59 +0100 (BST) someone who may be "Dave
Liquorice" wrote this:-

I think Mr Hansen has just tripped over the confusion between FTV and FTA
in relation to Sky boxen and Channel 4...

You think wrongly.

Those Channel 4 channels which were not already free popped up
unencrypted on the morning of Freesat launch date, with the
exception of Channel 4 itself which had been available unencrypted
for some weeks, perhaps a month or two, before the launch
(presumably as a trial). The exception is Channel 4 HD, which is
still encrypted.



--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

Freesat dish - DIY possible ?
 

On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:50:47 +0100, tony sayer wrote:

You can always get a standard sat box which will do that and more some
even have ethernet connectivity !...

What does ethernet enable you to do? Stream recordings/live TV over your
LAN or just upgrade the firmware?

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Cheers
Dave.

Freesat dish - DIY possible ?
 

In article et, Dave
Liquorice scribeth thus
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:50:47 +0100, tony sayer wrote:

You can always get a standard sat box which will do that and more some
even have ethernet connectivity !...

What does ethernet enable you to do? Stream recordings/live TV over your
LAN or just upgrade the firmware?


There are boxes around like the Dreambox and some others, look up
www.hisat.co.uk that have this so you can stream from the sat RX and to
it IIRC...
--
Tony Sayer

Freesat dish - DIY possible ?
 

David Hansen wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:34:52 +0100 someone who may be F
news@nowhere wrote this:-

As I understand it Humax took the risk of the non-Freesat mode,
despite it being against some interpretations of the specification.
It has been very popular and so the other manufacturer (the same HD
or SD box is sold under three names with three slightly different
exteriors).
Not being provided because it's popular but because, AIUI, it's illegal
not to.

Why would it be illegal?

There's an EU directive apparently that stipulates that any satellite
receiver must be capable of receiving *any* FTA transmission.

Of course there is no need to have a Freesat and non-Freesat mode.
If you want just one mode then, as I pointed out previously, you could
lose the 7 day EPG and use non-freesat mode with just now and next.

That doesn't answer the point. There should be no restriction on a
manufacturer having one mode. If there is a standard 7 day EPG for
that channel that is displayed, if there is a Freesat EPG for that
channel that is displayed, if there is neither then now and next is
displayed. Preventing that is a restraint of trade.

I agree

Freesat dish - DIY possible ?
 

David Hansen wrote:

Those Channel 4 channels which were not already free popped up
unencrypted on the morning of Freesat launch date, with the
exception of Channel 4 itself which had been available unencrypted
for some weeks, perhaps a month or two, before the launch
(presumably as a trial). The exception is Channel 4 HD, which is
still encrypted.

All true, although it's worth noting that the C4 stream that the Freesat
boxes map to is different to that used by Sky boxes. The Freesat stream
as you say is FTA. However Sky boxes still map to one of six C4 streams
(depending on your postcode region) that are all still FTV (i.e. encrypted)

Freesat dish - DIY possible ?
 

On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:32:18 +0100 someone who may be Mark Carver
wrote this:-

Why would it be illegal?

There's an EU directive apparently that stipulates that any satellite
receiver must be capable of receiving *any* FTA transmission.

That is a matter of some debate. The EU are not clear on the point
and it is a matter of how one interprets it the appropriate laws.
That is very different to the requirement that all receivers must be
capable of displaying now and next information, which is clear.

If it was clear then all HD and SD Freesat receivers would have been
able to display all free channels on day one, but only the Humax one
could.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

Freesat dish - DIY possible ?
 

On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:39:15 +0100 someone who may be Mark Carver
wrote this:-

David Hansen wrote:

Those Channel 4 channels which were not already free popped up
unencrypted on the morning of Freesat launch date, with the
exception of Channel 4 itself which had been available unencrypted
for some weeks, perhaps a month or two, before the launch
(presumably as a trial). The exception is Channel 4 HD, which is
still encrypted.

All true, although it's worth noting that the C4 stream that the Freesat
boxes map to is different to that used by Sky boxes.

That is true, though I didn't claim (or even think) otherwise. From
memory the unencrypted channel is called something like 3910, can't
be bothered to look it up.



--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54