Help On Fitting A Light
 

I live in an old property ..high ceilings and the like...so am not
familiar with new builds but anyway...
I have a modern brass light fitting which I acquired and it does not
suit my property and I was thinking of giving it to a friend for use
in her bedroom as she has brass bed,tables etc .
I have uploaded a picture here of the fitting .
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...g/IMG_8682.jpg

It has two screwholes which you can see in the pic and obviously are
used to fix it to the ceiling .My property has wooden blocks built in
to the ceiling and the rose/pendant lights are screwed on to them .

Even if I wanted to use this lamp fitting I would not be able to
screw it directly to the existing block of wood as the wood is too
large and the screwholes in the fitting are at the sides .I would need
to make a smaller wooden block to fit inside it .

Would I need to do this in a modern house . Presumably they are
built with wood in the ceiling to take ceiling roses but will I have
the same problem ,in that the screw holes are facing in the wrong
direction . I had thought that perhaps there was a part missing from
this lamp fitting but I am not sure
Stuart

Help On Fitting A Light
 

Help On Fitting A Light
 

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:33:05 +0000, Cod Roe wrote:

wrote:

Would I need to do this in a modern house . Presumably they are
built with wood in the ceiling to take ceiling roses but will I have
the same problem ,in that the screw holes are facing in the wrong
direction . I had thought that perhaps there was a part missing from
this lamp fitting but I am not sure

Maybe is the answer, new houses aren't necessarily different to old one
in this respect. Depending on the quality of the electrician they may
do any of the following:

Attempt to screw it to just the plasterboard: very bad, tends to look
like its about to fall off, because frankly it is.

Put one screw into a joist and the other just into the plasterboard (my
house has been done mostly like that) but this looks like it will fall
off sideways all the time.

Put a wooden bridge between two joists just above the plasterboard of
something like 100x18, secured to the joists at either end using small
bits of batten. If your friend already has this then great, just screw
it to that, it not I would suggest you add one, it isn't difficult.

Best go and check.

Thx for that .The problem I see is that a ceiling rose has the screws
going straight up in to whatever it is being screwed to . This fitting
has the screw holes at the sides,albeit at the top ,which was why I
was thinking I would need to make a round wooden block that would fit
inside the fitting to take the screws .

However
Since writing the above I have found that the knob at the bottom of
the fitting comes off and I could put a screw up through that and in
to the ceiling ...then refit the knob ....maybe advisable to slip a
piece of insulation over the screw threads nearest to the fitting ?
Look here at this pic

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...2/IMG_8683.jpg

Stuart

Help On Fitting A Light
 

Help On Fitting A Light
 

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:07:24 +0000, Cod Roe wrote:

wrote:

Thx for that .The problem I see is that a ceiling rose has the screws
going straight up in to whatever it is being screwed to . This fitting
has the screw holes at the sides,albeit at the top ,which was why I
was thinking I would need to make a round wooden block that would fit
inside the fitting to take the screws .

I see where you are coming from a little more now, normally such
fittings would have a base plate that you screw to the ceiling, and then
the horizontal holes use blots to go into small threaded tags hanging
down from the base plate. It maybe that this bit is missing. I'm
afraid I don't fully understand how it is held up at the moment with a
piece of wood that you say is too large?

It's not held up anywhere at the moment . I found it yesterday as it
had been left by someone for the binmen to collect on Thursday ( today
) .Sorry for not making that clear . I agree that there probably is
another part that is missing .
What you said about the screw being earthed ...That's right as the
fitting is definitely earthed.
Thx for your help
Stuart

Help On Fitting A Light
 

formulated on Thursday :
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...g/IMG_8682.jpg

It has two screwholes which you can see in the pic and obviously are
used to fix it to the ceiling .My property has wooden blocks built in
to the ceiling and the rose/pendant lights are screwed on to them .

What I would suggest is a polished wooden pattress to fit between
ceiling and the light. I don't think they even sell them any more, but
they are quite easy to make. I just bolted a roughly circular bit of 1"
thick wood into the chuck of an electric drill which was clamped in a
vice, turned it to shape using a sharp chisel, sand it smooth, finish
with a suitable varnish. Then just drill a hole for the cable to pass
through, fix it to the ceiling and finally the light to the block.

Looks so much more finished than the brass plate fixed direct to the
ceiling.

Help On Fitting A Light
 

On 31 Jan, 17:29, Harry Bloomfield
wrote:
formulated on Thursday :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...g/IMG_8682.jpg

It has two screwholes which you can see in the pic and obviously are
used to fix it to the ceiling .My property has wooden blocks built in
to the ceiling and the rose/pendant lights are screwed on to them .

What I would suggest is a polished wooden pattress to fit between
ceiling and the light. I don't think they even sell them any more, but
they are quite easy to make. I just bolted a roughly circular bit of 1"
thick wood into the chuck of an electric drill which was clamped in a
vice, turned it to shape using a sharp chisel, sand it smooth, finish
with a suitable varnish. Then just drill a hole for the cable to pass
through, fix it to the ceiling and finally the light to the block.

Looks so much more finished than the brass plate fixed direct to the
ceiling.

The other option is to make the piece that is missing and that depends
on your skills in wood work or metal work ?. The bit that is missing
is just a bit of something like 15mm wide thin steel bent at the ends
to fit inside the brass dome - two holes to attach to the ceiling
rose, and holes on the ends to take self tappers to hold the fitting.

Rob

Help On Fitting A Light
 

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 10:23:44 -0800 (PST), robgraham
wrote:

On 31 Jan, 17:29, Harry Bloomfield
wrote:
formulated on Thursday :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...g/IMG_8682.jpg

It has two screwholes which you can see in the pic and obviously are
used to fix it to the ceiling .My property has wooden blocks built in
to the ceiling and the rose/pendant lights are screwed on to them .

What I would suggest is a polished wooden pattress to fit between
ceiling and the light. I don't think they even sell them any more, but
they are quite easy to make. I just bolted a roughly circular bit of 1"
thick wood into the chuck of an electric drill which was clamped in a
vice, turned it to shape using a sharp chisel, sand it smooth, finish
with a suitable varnish. Then just drill a hole for the cable to pass
through, fix it to the ceiling and finally the light to the block.

Looks so much more finished than the brass plate fixed direct to the
ceiling.

The other option is to make the piece that is missing and that depends
on your skills in wood work or metal work ?. The bit that is missing
is just a bit of something like 15mm wide thin steel bent at the ends
to fit inside the brass dome - two holes to attach to the ceiling
rose, and holes on the ends to take self tappers to hold the fitting.

Rob

Thx Rob...That'll be the final option .I had thought I might need to
do just that but meantime I have faxed Poole Lighting to ask if the
ceiling plate part can be obtained ( free hopefully) so we'll see what
happens
Stuart

Help On Fitting A Light
 

wrote:
I live in an old property ..high ceilings and the like...so am not
familiar with new builds but anyway...
I have a modern brass light fitting which I acquired and it does not
suit my property and I was thinking of giving it to a friend for use
in her bedroom as she has brass bed,tables etc .
I have uploaded a picture here of the fitting .
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...g/IMG_8682.jpg

It has two screwholes which you can see in the pic and obviously are
used to fix it to the ceiling .My property has wooden blocks built in
to the ceiling and the rose/pendant lights are screwed on to them .

Even if I wanted to use this lamp fitting I would not be able to
screw it directly to the existing block of wood as the wood is too
large and the screwholes in the fitting are at the sides .I would need
to make a smaller wooden block to fit inside it .

Would I need to do this in a modern house . Presumably they are
built with wood in the ceiling to take ceiling roses but will I have
the same problem ,in that the screw holes are facing in the wrong
direction . I had thought that perhaps there was a part missing from
this lamp fitting but I am not sure

There is indeed a bit missing. Its a metal plate with the ends bent at 90
degrees, which is fixed to the ceiling. Machine screws go through the holes
in the side into threads in the metal plate.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257

Help On Fitting A Light
 

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:44:07 GMT, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:

wrote:
I live in an old property ..high ceilings and the like...so am not
familiar with new builds but anyway...
I have a modern brass light fitting which I acquired and it does not
suit my property and I was thinking of giving it to a friend for use
in her bedroom as she has brass bed,tables etc .
I have uploaded a picture here of the fitting .
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...g/IMG_8682.jpg

It has two screwholes which you can see in the pic and obviously are
used to fix it to the ceiling .My property has wooden blocks built in
to the ceiling and the rose/pendant lights are screwed on to them .

Even if I wanted to use this lamp fitting I would not be able to
screw it directly to the existing block of wood as the wood is too
large and the screwholes in the fitting are at the sides .I would need
to make a smaller wooden block to fit inside it .

Would I need to do this in a modern house . Presumably they are
built with wood in the ceiling to take ceiling roses but will I have
the same problem ,in that the screw holes are facing in the wrong
direction . I had thought that perhaps there was a part missing from
this lamp fitting but I am not sure

There is indeed a bit missing. Its a metal plate with the ends bent at 90
degrees, which is fixed to the ceiling. Machine screws go through the holes
in the side into threads in the metal plate.

Poole Lighting 'phoned me this morning in response to my fax and are
posting me a strap and screws gratis .
Result!!!...although I'd have been happy to pay .
Stuart