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After 2 years of venting tumble dryers, fitting waste pipes etc I finally
decided to buy a TCT Core Drill set from Toolstation. Cheap enough @£25 ish
so worth a punt and its seems pretty well engineered. www.toolstation.com
part number 41361.

It came with; 30, 50 and 110mm core. 200mm Hex and SDS arbors. 8mm Taper
Guide Drill. 2 x Drift keys.

No instructions however! Since I've never used one before, a few questions;

Do I use the hammer action on my SDS?

I assume the best way is to drill straight through with an 8mm extra long
drill, then drill from each side?

The 8mm taper drill guide looks pretty much like an 8mm masonry drill and
appears to be a taper fit. I assume the drift keys are to remove it, but
why 2?

I have a 620w Wickes SDS with clutch, powerful enough? Failing that I have
a Wickes High Torque mains drill, around 85Nm torque - but no clutch, just a
large side handle. Don't fancy using that much :-)

I've e-mailed Toolstation asking for instructions, but obviously no reply
yet.


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It will do the smaller ones. My 780W Makita will just about cope with
the 110, but you have to take it carefully and make sure you drill a
nice straight core so you don't add to much resistance.


I find it varies enormously with the brick hardness.
Old commons go through quite quickly. Drilling a newer
house with quite hard bricks took ages. I have a 1050W
Metabo and plugged it in through a power meter out of
curiosity. With my full weight leaning in to the drill,
it was using about 750W at top speed in low gear. On
softer bricks, I wouldn't have been able to put such a
force behind it. You need to keep an eye on the drill
temperature and may need to cool the drill (run at full
speed with no load) from time to time.

A friend of mine completely melted his bog standard B&D
drill which wasn't man-enough for the job (when it did
overheat, he didn't know how to cool it). Then he went
and bought a cheap SDS with no clutch, and ended up in
A&E having stiches in his chin after the core jammed
and the drill spun round and whacked him. On another
occasion where the drill couldn't spin round because it
hit an ajacent wall, he ended up with a 90 degree twist
in the arbour.

a Wickes High Torque mains drill, around 85Nm torque - but no clutch, just a
large side handle. Don't fancy using that much :-)


Well 85Nm is going to be the same as about a 20kg weight on the handle
- might be ok if you are expecting it and positioned safely!

(think I would rather have a smooth shank arbour though to allow for
some slip!)


That's not reliable. You really have to have a drill
with a safety clutch for this job.

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The Medway Handyman wrote:
After 2 years of venting tumble dryers, fitting waste pipes etc I finally
decided to buy a TCT Core Drill set from Toolstation. Cheap enough @£25 ish
so worth a punt and its seems pretty well engineered. www.toolstation.com
part number 41361.

It came with; 30, 50 and 110mm core. 200mm Hex and SDS arbors. 8mm Taper
Guide Drill. 2 x Drift keys.

No instructions however! Since I've never used one before, a few questions;

Do I use the hammer action on my SDS?

I assume the best way is to drill straight through with an 8mm extra long
drill, then drill from each side?

The 8mm taper drill guide looks pretty much like an 8mm masonry drill and
appears to be a taper fit. I assume the drift keys are to remove it, but
why 2?

I have a 620w Wickes SDS with clutch, powerful enough? Failing that I have
a Wickes High Torque mains drill, around 85Nm torque - but no clutch, just a
large side handle. Don't fancy using that much :-)

I've e-mailed Toolstation asking for instructions, but obviously no reply
yet.


I have drilled one 110mm core with the same drill using a hined diamond
bit. I would not dream of trying again without a clutch. The drill
coped, but I would not want to do many with that drill, and yes I did
work from each side

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After 2 years of venting tumble dryers, fitting waste pipes etc I finally
decided to buy a TCT Core Drill set from Toolstation. Cheap enough @£25
ish so worth a punt and its seems pretty well engineered.
www.toolstation.com part number 41361.


The 8mm taper drill guide looks pretty much like an 8mm masonry drill and
appears to be a taper fit. I assume the drift keys are to remove it, but
why 2?


So you can still get the bit out when you lose the first one?


I have a 620w Wickes SDS with clutch, powerful enough? Failing that I
have a Wickes High Torque mains drill, around 85Nm torque - but no clutch,
just a large side handle. Don't fancy using that much :-)


IMHO: Seriously, don't use one without a clutch. It will snag (especially
with the large core). Unless you have forearms like Charles Atlas it will
rip out of your hands and you will break your wrist or your nose/cheekbone
as my unlucky friend found out when the clutch on his B&Q cheapy failed.

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After 2 years of venting tumble dryers, fitting waste pipes etc I finally
decided to buy a TCT Core Drill set from Toolstation. Cheap enough @£25 ish
so worth a punt and its seems pretty well engineered. www.toolstation.com
part number 41361.

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I have a 620w Wickes SDS with clutch, powerful enough? Failing that I have
a Wickes High Torque mains drill, around 85Nm torque - but no clutch, just a
large side handle. Don't fancy using that much :-)


If the 620W isn't enough for larger cores, how about the following
approach:
- Drill pilot hole
- Use large core as deep as it will go without jamming on both side
(this gives a nice clean edge to the hole)
- Use the largest core the drill can cope with to remove the centre
(might be worth getting an ~80mm core).
- Go back to the tried and tested ring-of-holes + SDS-chisel to finish
off.


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The 8mm taper drill guide looks pretty much like an 8mm masonry drill and
appears to be a taper fit. *I assume the drift keys are to remove it, but
why 2?


Someone somewhere is asking where his drift key is.

The pilot drill is a masonary drill. You can leave it in place when
drilling a solid wall but it's not needed once the core drill is far
enough in to guide itself.
If you go though a cavity wall, either go through from one side
(without hammer), or drill a pilot hole smaller than 8mm and core
drill from both sides. This leaves a neater hole as you break out into
the cavity. Remove the pilot drill as soon as the core is self guiding
or the pilot bit will fall out and disappear into the cavity.

Use a drill with a clutch or make sure the kick when the drill snags
is restrained. A pipe on the side handle and against the floor will do
this. A clutch is better though.

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After 2 years of venting tumble dryers, fitting waste pipes etc I
finally decided to buy a TCT Core Drill set from Toolstation. Cheap
enough @£25 ish so worth a punt and its seems pretty well engineered.
www.toolstation.com part number 41361.

It came with; 30, 50 and 110mm core. 200mm Hex and SDS arbors. 8mm
Taper Guide Drill. 2 x Drift keys.

No instructions however! Since I've never used one before, a few
questions;

Do I use the hammer action on my SDS?

I assume the best way is to drill straight through with an 8mm extra
long drill, then drill from each side?

The 8mm taper drill guide looks pretty much like an 8mm masonry drill
and appears to be a taper fit. I assume the drift keys are to remove
it, but why 2?

I have a 620w Wickes SDS with clutch, powerful enough? Failing that I
have a Wickes High Torque mains drill, around 85Nm torque - but no
clutch, just a large side handle. Don't fancy using that much :-)

I've e-mailed Toolstation asking for instructions, but obviously no
reply yet.


Like you I initally bought a TCT unit. The results were noisy dusty and
the bits didn't last long. Eventually I had to switch on the hammer to
make any progress.

I'm on my second lot of diamond cores now (theft not wear) except for the
big ones ( 117 and 127.) They do seem to last a long time.

I'm on my 6th or 7th SDS drill (All bar one due to theft).

The hardest for me is keeping the line absolutely level and square or
else the drill jams and the clutch (you better have one) slips.

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I'm on my second lot of diamond cores now (theft not wear) except for the
big ones ( 117 and 127.) They do seem to last a long time.


How many holes did you get from the big ones out of interest?

I have got a feeling my 107mm Armeg one must be down to its last 20% of
tooth depth, and it has probably only done 8 cores so far (most in hard
brick mind you).

I'm on my 6th or 7th SDS drill (All bar one due to theft).


That could make one want to take someone warmly by the throat! ;-)

The hardest for me is keeping the line absolutely level and square or
else the drill jams and the clutch (you better have one) slips.


Seconded!

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I don't think I'd ever get the investment back. Occassional use with me,
different if I were a full time plumber.


As long as they are earning you at least £10 per hole, I would have
thought a diamond core would pay for itself...


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I don't think I'd ever get the investment back. Occassional use
with me, different if I were a full time plumber.


As long as they are earning you at least £10 per hole, I would have
thought a diamond core would pay for itself...


In theory yes. In the last year I've vented 2 tumble driers and put about
three waste through walls.

Trouble is I could justify so many tools that way!


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I don't think I'd ever get the investment back. Occassional use
with me, different if I were a full time plumber.

As long as they are earning you at least £10 per hole, I would have
thought a diamond core would pay for itself...


In theory yes. In the last year I've vented 2 tumble driers and put about
three waste through walls.

Trouble is I could justify so many tools that way!


And that is bad because...? ;-)

Tricky I suppose, if customer wants a hole but is paying for the time,
then it taking less is not necessarily an advantage (to you). I suppose
that sort of job you could quote a fixed price for though.


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On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:03:06 +0000, John Rumm wrote:

Ed Sirett wrote:

I'm on my second lot of diamond cores now (theft not wear) except for
the big ones ( 117 and 127.) They do seem to last a long time.


How many holes did you get from the big ones out of interest?


Sorry, I put things rather badly (the 117 which is my workhorse is still
going well) after about 8 years it's probably done 50 holes!
The 127 was bought specifically to install a Baxi Brazilia.
The larger core drills live in the store room not the van.


I have got a feeling my 107mm Armeg one must be down to its last 20% of
tooth depth, and it has probably only done 8 cores so far (most in hard
brick mind you).

Most of mine are the normal quality from a PM and Some s/fix.


I'm on my 6th or 7th SDS drill (All bar one due to theft).


That could make one want to take someone warmly by the throat! ;-)


I'm seriously thinking of obtaining an electric fence generator.
Yes I know it's illegal. I'd probably get zapped by it more than the
scumbags.

I have no off road parking, not that that would help just a better MTBF
(Mean time between feft).
The average is running at about 1/per year. Never had the van taken
outright. Of late the break-ins have been targetted toward the power
tools. They used to be a random selection of tools.

Each time it happens I get a nice letter from the police saying
....as yet no one has been arrested...


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On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:44:15 +0000, The Medway Handyman wrote:

Ed Sirett wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:31:33 +0000, The Medway Handyman wrote:

After 2 years of venting tumble dryers, fitting waste pipes etc I
finally decided to buy a TCT Core Drill set from Toolstation. Cheap
enough @£25 ish so worth a punt and its seems pretty well engineered.
www.toolstation.com part number 41361.

It came with; 30, 50 and 110mm core. 200mm Hex and SDS arbors. 8mm
Taper Guide Drill. 2 x Drift keys.

No instructions however! Since I've never used one before, a few
questions;

Do I use the hammer action on my SDS?

I assume the best way is to drill straight through with an 8mm extra
long drill, then drill from each side?

The 8mm taper drill guide looks pretty much like an 8mm masonry drill
and appears to be a taper fit. I assume the drift keys are to remove
it, but why 2?

I have a 620w Wickes SDS with clutch, powerful enough? Failing that I
have a Wickes High Torque mains drill, around 85Nm torque - but no
clutch, just a large side handle. Don't fancy using that much :-)

I've e-mailed Toolstation asking for instructions, but obviously no
reply yet.


Like you I initally bought a TCT unit. The results were noisy dusty and
the bits didn't last long. Eventually I had to switch on the hammer to
make any progress.



So hammer is OK? Thats what I was unsure of.


I'm not sure on TCT. ON diamonds it's certinaly wrong. When the TCT bits
are finished maybe the hammer is the only way to finish both the job in
progress and the drill.



I don't think I'd ever get the investment back. Occassional use with
me, different if I were a full time plumber.


once you have the tool you find jobs that otherwise you would not do.




You obviously suffer a great deal from theft - are you in an especially
bad area?


Yes a very great deal. Better of late as this is only the second time in
4.5 years on the new van, 5 attempts with 3 holding out. Each failed
attempt takes its toll on the existing locks.
For me they always come at night in bad weather.

Putting a Kasp on and off all day is impractical. Taking all the tools to
the store each night is not on. Maybe just taking the sds,jigsaw and
cordless is possible.

every one asks "Can't you insure?" - yes but the premiums will far exceed
the claims let alone that they will impose impossible conditions.

London is not really part of the UK. It is part of a set of locations
around the globe belonging to "Cosmopolitia". The laws appear to be the
same as the surrounding nation but there is too much (far more serious)
crime so enforcement is patchy.

At the end of the day I simply budget £600/year for theft. If I started
losing more than that then I will consider a new van (which seemed to
give me a few years of no thefts).


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John Rumm wrote:
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I don't think I'd ever get the investment back. Occassional use
with me, different if I were a full time plumber.
As long as they are earning you at least £10 per hole, I would have
thought a diamond core would pay for itself...


In theory yes. In the last year I've vented 2 tumble driers and put
about three waste through walls.

Trouble is I could justify so many tools that way!


And that is bad because...? ;-)

Tricky I suppose, if customer wants a hole but is paying for the time,
then it taking less is not necessarily an advantage (to you). I
suppose that sort of job you could quote a fixed price for though.


I don't tend to spin jobs out to be honest and yes, mostly that sort of job
is an estimated price.


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You obviously suffer a great deal from theft - are you in an
especially bad area?


SNIP
London is not really part of the UK. It is part of a set of locations
around the globe belonging to "Cosmopolitia". The laws appear to be
the same as the surrounding nation but there is too much (far more
serious) crime so enforcement is patchy.


Ah. London. That explains things.


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You obviously suffer a great deal from theft - are you in an
especially bad area?


SNIP
London is not really part of the UK. It is part of a set of locations
around the globe belonging to "Cosmopolitia". The laws appear to be
the same as the surrounding nation but there is too much (far more
serious) crime so enforcement is patchy.


Ah. London. That explains things.

I always though North London was more civilised than South London, where
I am. It seems not.

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You obviously suffer a great deal from theft - are you in an
especially bad area?

SNIP
London is not really part of the UK. It is part of a set of
locations around the globe belonging to "Cosmopolitia". The laws
appear to be the same as the surrounding nation but there is too
much (far more serious) crime so enforcement is patchy.


Ah. London. That explains things.

I always though North London was more civilised than South London,
where I am. It seems not.


Dunno mate, I don't go sarf of the river after dark....


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The hardest for me is keeping the line absolutely level and square or
else the drill jams and the clutch (you better have one) slips.


Would a laser help here?

If it's parallel with the bit it and pointing at a spot on the wall it
should help keep things on target.

I'd try it out with a keychain laser and some blu-tak.

Does your van have an alarm BTW? If so would it be worth having a GSM
dialler?

cheers,
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You obviously suffer a great deal from theft - are you in an especially
bad area?


Yes a very great deal. Better of late as this is only the second time in
4.5 years on the new van, 5 attempts with 3 holding out. Each failed
attempt takes its toll on the existing locks.
For me they always come at night in bad weather.


CCTV? I have a 100% success record in discovering which yobs did the two
break ins and 3 vandalism attacks on my van. The hit and run driver also got
a shock when I turned up on her doorstep the next day and asked her to pay
up.

Putting a Kasp on and off all day is impractical. Taking all the tools to
the store each night is not on. Maybe just taking the sds,jigsaw and
cordless is possible.


I fetch my core drill, SDS drill, test case and cordless SDS in everynight,
the rest stays in the van.

At the end of the day I simply budget £600/year for theft. If I started
losing more than that then I will consider a new van (which seemed to
give me a few years of no thefts).


I allow for a few tools a year to go missing. The loss of time changing a
window or lock also needs to be accounted for.

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On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:26:11 +0000, ARWadworth wrote:

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On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:44:15 +0000, The Medway Handyman wrote:




You obviously suffer a great deal from theft - are you in an
especially bad area?


Yes a very great deal. Better of late as this is only the second time
in 4.5 years on the new van, 5 attempts with 3 holding out. Each failed
attempt takes its toll on the existing locks. For me they always come
at night in bad weather.


CCTV? I have a 100% success record in discovering which yobs did the two
break ins and 3 vandalism attacks on my van. The hit and run driver also
got a shock when I turned up on her doorstep the next day and asked her
to pay up.


I can't guarantee where I'll be parking. By the book you are even meant
to use CCTV except /over/ your own land. The council will grant
permission for you to install the camera to look over one fixed location.
If I thought this was the way that would not stop me though.


Putting a Kasp on and off all day is impractical. Taking all the tools
to the store each night is not on. Maybe just taking the sds,jigsaw and
cordless is possible.


I fetch my core drill, SDS drill, test case and cordless SDS in
everynight, the rest stays in the van.

I'd probably have to add my decent jigsaw and cordless drill/driver to
the list.


At the end of the day I simply budget £600/year for theft. If I started
losing more than that then I will consider a new van (which seemed to
give me a few years of no thefts).


I allow for a few tools a year to go missing. The loss of time changing
a window or lock also needs to be accounted for.


Thanks for your useful comments.

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On Jan 16, 11:26Â*pm, Ed Sirett wrote:

The hardest for me is keeping the line absolutely level and square or
else the drill jams and the clutch (you better have one) slips.


Would a laser help here?

If it's parallel with the bit it and pointing at a spot on the wall it
should help keep things on target.

I'd try it out with a keychain laser and some blu-tak.

Does your van have an alarm BTW? If so would it be worth having a GSM
dialler?

Yes it has a main-dealer fitted alarm, which may act as something of a
minor deterrent.


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You obviously suffer a great deal from theft - are you in an
especially bad area?

Yes a very great deal. Better of late as this is only the second time
in 4.5 years on the new van, 5 attempts with 3 holding out. Each failed
attempt takes its toll on the existing locks. For me they always come
at night in bad weather.


CCTV? I have a 100% success record in discovering which yobs did the two
break ins and 3 vandalism attacks on my van. The hit and run driver also
got a shock when I turned up on her doorstep the next day and asked her
to pay up.


I can't guarantee where I'll be parking. By the book you are even meant
to use CCTV except /over/ your own land. The council will grant
permission for you to install the camera to look over one fixed location.
If I thought this was the way that would not stop me though.


Wireless CCTV with audio from inside the van?

The police still use my CCTV to make arrests, permission granted to film or
not. Mind you the same police (Barnsley) let a wanted paedophille go free
last week. I hope I do not get his old cell next time I am locked up for the
night.

Adam

PS I hope it was the big fat lezzer desk seargent who ****ed up with the
paedo's records and she loses her job.

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On 2008-01-18 22:52:08 +0000, "ARWadworth"
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Wireless CCTV with audio from inside the van?

The police still use my CCTV to make arrests, permission granted to
film or not. Mind you the same police (Barnsley) let a wanted
paedophille go free last week. I hope I do not get his old cell next
time I am locked up for the night.

Adam

PS I hope it was the big fat lezzer desk seargent who ****ed up with
the paedo's records and she loses her job.


An aquaintance rather than a friend, then?


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Yes it has a main-dealer fitted alarm, which may act as something of a
minor deterrent.


Maybe that suggests that there is something worth nicking?

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