[Paul]

SWMBO has purchased a 4'X3' oak-framed mirror and wants it to hang on
a plaster board wall. It weighs 20Kg.
The mirror has two mounting brackets on the back which I would
describe as a rectangular steel plate screwed to the back of the
mirror with a D-shaped 'buckle' hanging off it (apologies, can't find
it on Screwfix site to get its proper name). Can I put two large
screws with spring toggles, or similar, into the wall and just suspend
the mirror off those?

thanks,
Paul.

[sm_jamieson]

On 5 Oct, 13:33, Paul wrote:
SWMBO has purchased a 4'X3' oak-framed mirror and wants it to hang on
a plaster board wall. It weighs 20Kg.
The mirror has two mounting brackets on the back which I would
describe as a rectangular steel plate screwed to the back of the
mirror with a D-shaped 'buckle' hanging off it (apologies, can't find
it on Screwfix site to get its proper name). Can I put two large
screws with spring toggles, or similar, into the wall and just suspend
the mirror off those?

thanks,
Paul.

PB fixings may be OK just in the PB, but I would try and fix into a
stud (the timber frame) behind the plasterboard. You can locate the
studs by tapping and/or pushing something through the board (in an
area definitely behind the hung mirror). If the mirror fixings do not
line up with a stud, either relocate fixings on the mirror, or screw
some plywood into the studs and fix the mirror to the plywood. You
could use a plywood "french cleat" (google for it, there was a recent
thread here).
Simon.

[David in Normandy]

In article . com, Paul
says...
SWMBO has purchased a 4'X3' oak-framed mirror and wants it to hang on
a plaster board wall. It weighs 20Kg.
The mirror has two mounting brackets on the back which I would
describe as a rectangular steel plate screwed to the back of the
mirror with a D-shaped 'buckle' hanging off it (apologies, can't find
it on Screwfix site to get its proper name). Can I put two large
screws with spring toggles, or similar, into the wall and just suspend
the mirror off those?

thanks,
Paul.


I can foresee you being woken up in the early hours one morning thinking
you've got a burglar, then discovering you've got 7 years bad luck
instead!

If I were you I'd try to find the studding timbers and either fix
directly to those, or fix a metal strap between the upright timbers and
attach the mirror to the strap. The strap would not be visible as it
would be hidden behind the top of the mirror. Don't use anything too
thick though or it will hold the mirror too far away from the wall and
look odd.

With a similar mirror in our house I was able to fasten a strong steel
screw hook directly into a ceiling beam, but we have exposed oak beams
anyway which modern houses lack.
--
David in Normandy.
(The free MicroPlanet Gravity newsreader is great for eliminating
rubbish and cross-posts)

[sm_jamieson]

On 5 Oct, 13:47, David in Normandy wrote:
In article . com, Paul
says... SWMBO has purchased a 4'X3' oak-framed mirror and wants it to hang on
a plaster board wall. It weighs 20Kg.
The mirror has two mounting brackets on the back which I would
describe as a rectangular steel plate screwed to the back of the
mirror with a D-shaped 'buckle' hanging off it (apologies, can't find
it on Screwfix site to get its proper name). Can I put two large
screws with spring toggles, or similar, into the wall and just suspend
the mirror off those?

thanks,
Paul.

I can foresee you being woken up in the early hours one morning thinking
you've got a burglar, then discovering you've got 7 years bad luck
instead!

If I were you I'd try to find the studding timbers and either fix
directly to those, or fix a metal strap between the upright timbers and
attach the mirror to the strap. The strap would not be visible as it
would be hidden behind the top of the mirror. Don't use anything too
thick though or it will hold the mirror too far away from the wall and
look odd.

With a similar mirror in our house I was able to fasten a strong steel
screw hook directly into a ceiling beam, but we have exposed oak beams
anyway which modern houses lack.
--
David in Normandy.
(The free MicroPlanet Gravity newsreader is great for eliminating
rubbish and cross-posts)

Talking about getting it flush, sometimes as with kitchen cabinets,
folks cut out a rectangle of PB and replace with ply, and BYU (bobs
your uncle).
You need to check it's not PB on a solid wall with dot and dab, If so,
long screws right into the wall.
Simon.

[Mike Clarke]

Paul wrote:

Can I put two large
screws with spring toggles, or similar, into the wall and just suspend
the mirror off those?

Spring toggles need the screws to be permanently pulled up tight. You'll
need to have the screws projecting from the wall to hang the loops on so
the toggles won't do unless you use them to attach some sort of hook to the
wall. Hollow wall anchors like
http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?id=12229&ts=89915 should do
the trick. Screw it up tight on its own first to expand it then back the
screw out enough to hang the mirror on it.

--
Mike Clarke

[Steve Firth]

Paul wrote:

Can I put two large screws with spring toggles, or similar, into the wall
and just suspend the mirror off those?

I would use the screw-type plasterboard fixings.

http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/...91620&id=11923

I have used these to hang radiators on the walls, and the radiator
weighs more when filled with water than any of the mirrors we have (and
that includes a mirror we have which is real plate glass and a heavy oak
frame).

[George]

"Paul" wrote in message
ups.com...
SWMBO has purchased a 4'X3' oak-framed mirror and wants it to hang on
a plaster board wall. It weighs 20Kg.
The mirror has two mounting brackets on the back which I would
describe as a rectangular steel plate screwed to the back of the
mirror with a D-shaped 'buckle' hanging off it (apologies, can't find
it on Screwfix site to get its proper name). Can I put two large
screws with spring toggles, or similar, into the wall and just suspend
the mirror off those?

thanks,
Paul.


Get a 3/4" masonary bit and drill right through into the back brick as far
as possible with bit with the fixing dimensions of mirror hanging points
marked out.
Get some 3/4" dowling and cut it to the depth of the hole so that it lies
flush with plasterboard and hammer the dowling into the holes so that it IS
flush with plasterboard.

put screws into dowling and hang mirror

[George]

"Steve Firth" wrote in message
.. .
Paul wrote:

Can I put two large screws with spring toggles, or similar, into the
wall
and just suspend the mirror off those?

I would use the screw-type plasterboard fixings.

http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/...91620&id=11923

I have used these to hang radiators on the walls, and the radiator
weighs more when filled with water than any of the mirrors we have (and
that includes a mirror we have which is real plate glass and a heavy oak
frame).

Hah yes but don't forget some of the weight rest on the pipes as well you
know. :-)

[Timothy Murphy]

Paul wrote:

SWMBO has purchased a 4'X3' oak-framed mirror and wants it to hang on
a plaster board wall. It weighs 20Kg.
The mirror has two mounting brackets on the back which I would
describe as a rectangular steel plate screwed to the back of the
mirror with a D-shaped 'buckle' hanging off it (apologies, can't find
it on Screwfix site to get its proper name). Can I put two large
screws with spring toggles, or similar, into the wall and just suspend
the mirror off those?

Have you thought of Velcro?
I used heavy duty Velcro to fix a very large mirror on tiles
above the sink in my bathroom.

Admittedly there is a wide wooden panel sitting on the back of the basin,
but my impression is that the Velcro could safely have taken a large weight.

[The Medway Handyman]

Steve Firth wrote:
Paul wrote:

Can I put two large screws with spring toggles, or similar, into the
wall and just suspend the mirror off those?

I would use the screw-type plasterboard fixings.

http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/...91620&id=11923

I have used these to hang radiators on the walls, and the radiator
weighs more when filled with water than any of the mirrors we have
(and that includes a mirror we have which is real plate glass and a
heavy oak frame).

I'd agree. done the same with radiators myself. Very strong fix.


--
Dave
The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257

[Paul]

On 5 Oct, 16:04, Timothy Murphy wrote:
Paul wrote:
SWMBO has purchased a 4'X3' oak-framed mirror and wants it to hang on
a plaster board wall. It weighs 20Kg.
The mirror has two mounting brackets on the back which I would
describe as a rectangular steel plate screwed to the back of the
mirror with a D-shaped 'buckle' hanging off it (apologies, can't find
it on Screwfix site to get its proper name). Can I put two large
screws with spring toggles, or similar, into the wall and just suspend
the mirror off those?

Have you thought of Velcro?
I used heavy duty Velcro to fix a very large mirror on tiles
above the sink in my bathroom.


I can honestly say that scares the crap out of me.

[Paul]

On 5 Oct, 14:42, (Steve Firth) wrote:
Paul wrote:
Can I put two large screws with spring toggles, or similar, into the wall
and just suspend the mirror off those?

I would use the screw-type plasterboard fixings.

http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/...91620&id=11923

I have used these to hang radiators on the walls, and the radiator
weighs more when filled with water than any of the mirrors we have (and
that includes a mirror we have which is real plate glass and a heavy oak
frame).

Thanks, those babies look just the job. Presumably one drills a small
pilot hole in the wall, taps in the fitting and then screw into the
wall?

The more I think about it - and I realise this is famous last words,
tempting fate etc. - the more I think it ought to take one Hell of a
vertical force to pull any reasonably sized screw out of a plaster
board wall. No?

[Steve Firth]

George wrote:

"Steve Firth" wrote in message
.. .
Paul wrote:

Can I put two large screws with spring toggles, or similar, into the
wall
and just suspend the mirror off those?

I would use the screw-type plasterboard fixings.

http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/...91620&id=11923

I have used these to hang radiators on the walls, and the radiator
weighs more when filled with water than any of the mirrors we have (and
that includes a mirror we have which is real plate glass and a heavy oak
frame).

Hah yes but don't forget some of the weight rest on the pipes as well you
know. :-)

Although not in this case because there's a long run of pipe under the
floorboard and the risers for the radiator aren't clipped to anything
much. With no radiator in place I can push the tubes up and down with a
little finger.

[Steve Firth]

Paul wrote:

On 5 Oct, 14:42, (Steve Firth) wrote:
Paul wrote:
Can I put two large screws with spring toggles, or similar, into the wall
and just suspend the mirror off those?

I would use the screw-type plasterboard fixings.

http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/...91620&id=11923

I have used these to hang radiators on the walls, and the radiator
weighs more when filled with water than any of the mirrors we have (and
that includes a mirror we have which is real plate glass and a heavy oak
frame).

Thanks, those babies look just the job. Presumably one drills a small
pilot hole in the wall, taps in the fitting and then screw into the
wall?

Not even that, just identify the location and screw the fitting into the
wall. That tiny little prong on the sharp end drills the pilot hole
without the need for a drill. Don't overtighten it, hand tighten only,
because this will reduce the strength or even worse pull the fitting
right through the plasterboard.

The more I think about it - and I realise this is famous last words,
tempting fate etc. - the more I think it ought to take one Hell of a
vertical force to pull any reasonably sized screw out of a plaster
board wall. No?

Umm sort of. But these fittings have an axtremely deep thread which is
part of their strength. Woodscrews just don't have that much grip on a
friable material like plasterboard. The plasterboard fittings are
distributing the weight over a relatively large area.

Also remember that with a mirror, some component of the weight will be
trying to pull the mirror away from the wall because we don't hang
mirrors absolutely upright.

[Steve Firth]

Paul wrote:

On 5 Oct, 16:04, Timothy Murphy wrote:
Paul wrote:
SWMBO has purchased a 4'X3' oak-framed mirror and wants it to hang on
a plaster board wall. It weighs 20Kg.
The mirror has two mounting brackets on the back which I would
describe as a rectangular steel plate screwed to the back of the
mirror with a D-shaped 'buckle' hanging off it (apologies, can't find
it on Screwfix site to get its proper name). Can I put two large
screws with spring toggles, or similar, into the wall and just suspend
the mirror off those?

Have you thought of Velcro?
I used heavy duty Velcro to fix a very large mirror on tiles
above the sink in my bathroom.


I can honestly say that scares the crap out of me.

AOL

I've used Velcro for some serious work, including securing things under
high-g. It's OK for limited uses, but over time the glue softens and the
adhesion of pressure sensitive tape to cemetitious materials is ..ummm..
'poor'.

[Vass[_2_]]

"Paul" wrote in message
ups.com...
SWMBO has purchased a 4'X3' oak-framed mirror and wants it to hang on
a plaster board wall. It weighs 20Kg.
The mirror has two mounting brackets on the back which I would
describe as a rectangular steel plate screwed to the back of the
mirror with a D-shaped 'buckle' hanging off it (apologies, can't find
it on Screwfix site to get its proper name). Can I put two large
screws with spring toggles, or similar, into the wall and just suspend
the mirror off those?


we have 2 x 32" LCD TV's hanging off 6 metal Plasterboard screws each (to
the TV mount)
and they've been there for over a year now
no problem :-)
--
Vass

[Derek Geldard]

On Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:42:14 +0100, (Steve Firth)
wrote:

Paul wrote:

Can I put two large screws with spring toggles, or similar, into the wall
and just suspend the mirror off those?

I would use the screw-type plasterboard fixings.

http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/...91620&id=11923


IME these are very good on walls but SFA use on ceilings where the
tapered profile ensures the weight is taken solely by the spiral /
helical worm, YKWIM. And once it goes it goes.

So, anyway -go for it.

I have used these to hang radiators on the walls, and the radiator
weighs more when filled with water than any of the mirrors we have (and
that includes a mirror we have which is real plate glass and a heavy oak
frame).

DG

[Derek Geldard]

On Fri, 5 Oct 2007 17:48:58 +0100, (Steve Firth)
wrote:

Paul wrote:

On 5 Oct, 16:04, Timothy Murphy wrote:
Paul wrote:
SWMBO has purchased a 4'X3' oak-framed mirror and wants it to hang on
a plaster board wall. It weighs 20Kg.
The mirror has two mounting brackets on the back which I would
describe as a rectangular steel plate screwed to the back of the
mirror with a D-shaped 'buckle' hanging off it (apologies, can't find
it on Screwfix site to get its proper name). Can I put two large
screws with spring toggles, or similar, into the wall and just suspend
the mirror off those?

Have you thought of Velcro?
I used heavy duty Velcro to fix a very large mirror on tiles
above the sink in my bathroom.


I can honestly say that scares the crap out of me.

AOL

I've used Velcro for some serious work, including securing things under
high-g. It's OK for limited uses, but over time the glue softens and the
adhesion of pressure sensitive tape to cementitious materials
is ..ummm.. 'poor'.

Same goes for glass and sound painted metal surfaces etc after about
18 months depending on the temperature.

Think what happens to cable tie bases after a few years. The inside of
some of our equipment after ~5 years in service is something *not* to
behold. 8-(

DG