was Dropped Kerb now : Pedestrian Visibility Splay
 

Chums

As per a previous thread, I now have to

a) get planning permission for a drob kerb as the road is a
'classified road' - nb it's not a particulary main road as they go,
but heigh ho

b) ensure that I have a 'pedestrian visibility splay' of 1.5mx 1.5m
with nothing over .6m in the way.

This latter is all fine and good, but try getting a clear example of
what this actually is, and where the measurements start etc....


aaaaaaaaaaargh

was Dropped Kerb now : Pedestrian Visibility Splay
 

This latter is all fine and good, but try getting a clear example of
what this actually is, and where the measurements start etc....

I could not resist looking up such a delightful phrase. Are the
diagrammes in
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publicati...093/Q/Zoom/100
any use?

(And yes, this is displacement activity.)
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Robin

was Dropped Kerb now : Pedestrian Visibility Splay
 

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:51:04 +0100, Maurice W wrote:

Chums

As per a previous thread, I now have to

a) get planning permission for a drob kerb as the road is a 'classified
road' - nb it's not a particulary main road as they go, but heigh ho

b) ensure that I have a 'pedestrian visibility splay' of 1.5mx 1.5m with
nothing over .6m in the way.

This latter is all fine and good, but try getting a clear example of
what this actually is, and where the measurements start etc....


aaaaaaaaaaargh

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Take measurements (and possibly photos) of the neighbouring houses / kerbs
and average them out if there's much difference. If your neighbours got
permission then you should do so on the basis of your measurements
unless there is a significant difference between your proposed layout and
the adjacent properties.

Cic.

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was Dropped Kerb now : Pedestrian Visibility Splay
 

"Cicero" wrote in message
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:51:04 +0100, Maurice W wrote:

Chums

As per a previous thread, I now have to

a) get planning permission for a drob kerb as the road is a 'classified
road' - nb it's not a particulary main road as they go, but heigh ho

b) ensure that I have a 'pedestrian visibility splay' of 1.5mx 1.5m with
nothing over .6m in the way.

This latter is all fine and good, but try getting a clear example of
what this actually is, and where the measurements start etc....


aaaaaaaaaaargh

==================================
Take measurements (and possibly photos) of the neighbouring houses / kerbs
and average them out if there's much difference. If your neighbours got
permission then you should do so on the basis of your measurements
unless there is a significant difference between your proposed layout and
the adjacent properties.

The visibility splay is something that is required by the Highways
Department and they don't take any notice of what may already exist, if it
differs from what their rules say must apply to new entries to the class of
road.

Colin Bignell

was Dropped Kerb now : Pedestrian Visibility Splay
 

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:06:25 +0100, nightjar wrote:


"Cicero" wrote in message
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:51:04 +0100, Maurice W wrote:

Chums

As per a previous thread, I now have to

a) get planning permission for a drob kerb as the road is a
'classified road' - nb it's not a particulary main road as they go,
but heigh ho

b) ensure that I have a 'pedestrian visibility splay' of 1.5mx 1.5m
with nothing over .6m in the way.

This latter is all fine and good, but try getting a clear example of
what this actually is, and where the measurements start etc....


aaaaaaaaaaargh

==================================
Take measurements (and possibly photos) of the neighbouring houses /
kerbs and average them out if there's much difference. If your
neighbours got permission then you should do so on the basis of your
measurements unless there is a significant difference between your
proposed layout and the adjacent properties.
---------------------------------
The visibility splay is something that is required by the Highways
Department and they don't take any notice of what may already exist, if
it differs from what their rules say must apply to new entries to the
class of road.

Colin Bignell

==================================
The OP has been given a specification (a 'pedestrian visibility splay' of
1.5mx 1.5m with nothing over .6m in the way' ) and using measurements of
the layout of adjacent drives as a guide should be enough for an
application.

Surely specifications don't change very much for domestic dropped kerbs
unless there are specific reasons for change?

Cic.

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was Dropped Kerb now : Pedestrian Visibility Splay
 

"nightjar .uk.com" nightjar@insert my surname here wrote in message
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"Cicero" wrote in message
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:51:04 +0100, Maurice W wrote:

Chums

As per a previous thread, I now have to

a) get planning permission for a drob kerb as the road is a 'classified
road' - nb it's not a particulary main road as they go, but heigh ho

b) ensure that I have a 'pedestrian visibility splay' of 1.5mx 1.5m with
nothing over .6m in the way.

This latter is all fine and good, but try getting a clear example of
what this actually is, and where the measurements start etc....


aaaaaaaaaaargh

==================================
Take measurements (and possibly photos) of the neighbouring houses /
kerbs
and average them out if there's much difference. If your neighbours got
permission then you should do so on the basis of your measurements
unless there is a significant difference between your proposed layout and
the adjacent properties.

The visibility splay is something that is required by the Highways
Department and they don't take any notice of what may already exist, if it
differs from what their rules say must apply to new entries to the class
of road.

Colin Bignell

Our council - or whatever department was responsible - raise our kerbs to
prevent vehicles mounting the kerbs to park on pavements.

Then they put sloping 'ramps' at each side of every drive so that wheelchair
users could access the pavement.

Result?

Do I need to say??

Mary

was Dropped Kerb now : Pedestrian Visibility Splay
 

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:44:58 GMT, Cicero
wrote:


==================================
The OP has been given a specification (a 'pedestrian visibility splay' of
1.5mx 1.5m with nothing over .6m in the way' ) and using measurements of
the layout of adjacent drives as a guide should be enough for an
application.



Only prob for me is I'm not sure what the splay is and where it
starts/ends : all the nearby houses have essentially taken down their
front garden walls. Our house is about 5m wide, and there's a path
down one edge of it leading to the front door at the side of the
house, so as a rough measure the rest of the garden is 4m wide.


M

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"Cicero" wrote in message
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:06:25 +0100, nightjar wrote:


"Cicero" wrote in message
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:51:04 +0100, Maurice W wrote:

Chums

As per a previous thread, I now have to

a) get planning permission for a drob kerb as the road is a
'classified road' - nb it's not a particulary main road as they go,
but heigh ho

b) ensure that I have a 'pedestrian visibility splay' of 1.5mx 1.5m
with nothing over .6m in the way.

This latter is all fine and good, but try getting a clear example of
what this actually is, and where the measurements start etc....


aaaaaaaaaaargh

==================================
Take measurements (and possibly photos) of the neighbouring houses /
kerbs and average them out if there's much difference. If your
neighbours got permission then you should do so on the basis of your
measurements unless there is a significant difference between your
proposed layout and the adjacent properties.
---------------------------------
The visibility splay is something that is required by the Highways
Department and they don't take any notice of what may already exist, if
it differs from what their rules say must apply to new entries to the
class of road.

Colin Bignell

==================================
The OP has been given a specification (a 'pedestrian visibility splay' of
1.5mx 1.5m with nothing over .6m in the way' ) and using measurements of
the layout of adjacent drives as a guide should be enough for an
application.

Surely specifications don't change very much for domestic dropped kerbs
unless there are specific reasons for change?

It is a classified road and IME the rules for visibility splays on
classified roads do seem to change surprisingly often. I would not rely upon
what has been done with any other drive, unless it has been built within the
last year or so.

Colin Bignell

was Dropped Kerb now : Pedestrian Visibility Splay
 

"Maurice W" wrote in message
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Chums

As per a previous thread, I now have to

a) get planning permission for a drob kerb as the road is a
'classified road' - nb it's not a particulary main road as they go,
but heigh ho

b) ensure that I have a 'pedestrian visibility splay' of 1.5mx 1.5m
with nothing over .6m in the way.

This latter is all fine and good, but try getting a clear example of
what this actually is, and where the measurements start etc....

Only the Highways Department can tell you for sure, but, based on what I
have had to do in the past, I would expect that to mean that measurements
are taken from the point at which the centre line of the drive meets the
edge of the footway furthest from the road. The splay would then extend 1.5m
either side of that and 1.5m back into the drive.

Colin Bignell

was Dropped Kerb now : Pedestrian Visibility Splay
 

Only the Highways Department can tell you for sure, but, based on what
I have had to do in the past, I would expect that to mean that
measurements are taken from the point at which the centre line of the
drive meets the edge of the footway furthest from the road. The splay
would then extend 1.5m either side of that and 1.5m back into the
drive.

Colin Bignell
pedantic
Nicely put, IIMSS, though for the avoidance of doubt I think you mean
the splay extends 1.5m either side of the edges of the drive. See for
example figure 3 in
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publicati...093/Q/Zoom/100
/pedantic

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Robin

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"Robin" wrote in message
k...


Only the Highways Department can tell you for sure, but, based on what I
have had to do in the past, I would expect that to mean that measurements
are taken from the point at which the centre line of the drive meets the
edge of the footway furthest from the road. The splay would then extend
1.5m either side of that and 1.5m back into the drive.

Colin Bignell
pedantic
Nicely put, IIMSS, though for the avoidance of doubt I think you mean the
splay extends 1.5m either side of the edges of the drive.

Actually, I meant exactly what I wrote, that the splay extends either side
of the centre line of the drive. That is what my local planning department
required, except that they wanted a 2m x 2m splay. However, that is in
England.

Colin Bignell

was Dropped Kerb now : Pedestrian Visibility Splay
 

Actually, I meant exactly what I wrote, that the splay extends either
side of the centre line of the drive. That is what my local planning
department required, except that they wanted a 2m x 2m splay. However,
that is in England.

Colin Bignell
Sorry about that.

It seems then that different planning departments express it differently
(even within England - see eg
http://www.leics.gov.uk/dg21-private-turning.gif). I guess this just
reinforces your message to the OP to follow what *his* department wants.

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Robin

was Dropped Kerb now : Pedestrian Visibility Splay
 

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 07:03:34 GMT, "Robin"
wrote:



It seems then that different planning departments express it differently
(even within England - see eg
http://www.leics.gov.uk/dg21-private-turning.gif). I guess this just
reinforces your message to the OP to follow what *his* department wants.

I've tried the emailing route to the Planning Dept locally, and got a
response that it's been forwarded, and I will receive a reply 'within
10 days'.

so that suggests Colchester Borough Council aren't quite at the
leading edge of 21st Century e-government....

I'd have thought that a dropped kerb is so common that the council
would have a pack/PDF on their website!

M

was Dropped Kerb now : Pedestrian Visibility Splay
 

so that suggests Colchester Borough Council aren't quite at the
leading edge of 21st Century e-government....

I'd have thought that a dropped kerb is so common that the council
would have a pack/PDF on their website!

Colchester BC is no longer responsible for highways. That is now
(again) with Essex CC. So it may be that the BC planning officials are
having to consult Essex CC highways colleagues.

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Robin

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"Maurice W" wrote in message
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On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 07:03:34 GMT, "Robin"
wrote:



It seems then that different planning departments express it differently
(even within England - see eg
http://www.leics.gov.uk/dg21-private-turning.gif). I guess this just
reinforces your message to the OP to follow what *his* department wants.

I've tried the emailing route to the Planning Dept locally, and got a
response that it's been forwarded, and I will receive a reply 'within
10 days'.

As I noted elsewhere in this thread, visibility splays on classified roads
are dictated by the Highways Department. If you want a quick rely, that is
the department you should contact.

Colin Bignell