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New plaster walls
OK it says at least 4 weeks before painting (sealing)
but what about hanging units on them? Will they stop drying out if there are cupboards on the walls? And should you pva seal all romos or just bathrooms and kitchens? -- http://www.orderonlinepickupinstore.co.uk Ah fetch it yourself if you can't wait for delivery http://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk Or get it delivered for free |
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"Mogga" wrote in message
... OK it says at least 4 weeks before painting (sealing) but what about hanging units on them? Will they stop drying out if there are cupboards on the walls? 4 weeks? I painted 50% water/emulsion mix just 3 days later never had a problem -- Vass '02 R1, '90 CBR1000F www.haylinglegends.co.uk |
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Vass wrote:
"Mogga" wrote in message ... OK it says at least 4 weeks before painting (sealing) but what about hanging units on them? Will they stop drying out if there are cupboards on the walls? 4 weeks? I painted 50% water/emulsion mix just 3 days later never had a problem Yep. As long as you use a matt finish then the surface will breathe. Likewise behind cupboards..its enough air movement to let them dry. |
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On 6 Jun, 15:09, Mogga wrote:
OK it says at least 4 weeks before painting (sealing) You can use porous paint right away, but best not to use emulsion. If you do, it may be fine, but no guarantees. but what about hanging units on them? Will they stop drying out if there are cupboards on the walls? no. Best wait a few days till the worst of the damp is out though. And should you pva seal all romos or just bathrooms and kitchens? none should be PVAed. NT |
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Mogga wrote:
OK it says at least 4 weeks before painting (sealing) but what about hanging units on them? Will they stop drying out if there are cupboards on the walls? And should you pva seal all romos or just bathrooms and kitchens? No rooms at all! Never put PVA on plaster before painting; it's far worse than not treating it at all. It seals the plaster, but makes a nice non-stick layer which the paint will subsequently peel right off. Use cheap diluted-down emulsion. David |
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Lobster wrote:
Mogga wrote: OK it says at least 4 weeks before painting (sealing) but what about hanging units on them? Will they stop drying out if there are cupboards on the walls? And should you pva seal all romos or just bathrooms and kitchens? No rooms at all! Never put PVA on plaster before painting; it's far worse than not treating it at all. It seals the plaster, but makes a nice non-stick layer which the paint will subsequently peel right off. Use cheap diluted-down emulsion. David Or simply dilute whatever emulsion you are using by 30% or so. |
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On Jun 6, 3:09 pm, Mogga wrote:
OK it says at least 4 weeks before painting (sealing) but what about hanging units on them? Will they stop drying out if there are cupboards on the walls? And should you pva seal all romos or just bathrooms and kitchens? --http://www.orderonlinepickupinstore.co.uk Ah fetch it yourself if you can't wait for deliveryhttp://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk Or get it delivered for free I'd hang on until the plaster has had at least a week to dry before hanging your cupboards. Many people use PVA and get away with it! If you do use it, use it sparingly. PVA has two issues - (1) the particle size is larger than a typical plaster sealer, it doesn't soak in to the plaster as well, so does not "fix" the plaster as effectively. (2) Applying too much can cause problems, as it sits on the surface which can cause a number of issues when paint is applied on top. Using a diluted first coat of paint is not the best option either. Although diluting it gets around the issue of the plaster sucking water out of the paint (causing the paint to dry too fast), paint is not as good as plaster sealer at binding the powdery plaster surface . The issue there is that this powdery layer can cause problems later on. Maybe not on your first painting, but in future re-decorations. Paint (particularly matt paint) contracts as it dries. This contraction can cause paint to crack and flake off if underlying layers have poor adhesion. So...as you may have guessed by now..... I would recomend using plaster sealer. But only after your plaster is dry. www.diypaint.co.uk |
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On 6 Jun, 17:28, Lobster wrote:
Mogga wrote: OK it says at least 4 weeks before painting (sealing) but what about hanging units on them? Will they stop drying out if there are cupboards on the walls? And should you pva seal all romos or just bathrooms and kitchens? No rooms at all! Never put PVA on plaster before painting; it's far worse than not treating it at all. It seals the plaster, but makes a nice non-stick layer which the paint will subsequently peel right off. Use cheap diluted-down emulsion. David David, you should have typed that in capital letters! DON'T PUT PVA ON BARE PLASTER IF YOU INTEND TO PAINT OVER IT!!!!!!!!! |
New plaster walls
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:47:45 -0700, Mr Fuxit
wrote: On 6 Jun, 17:28, Lobster wrote: Mogga wrote: OK it says at least 4 weeks before painting (sealing) but what about hanging units on them? Will they stop drying out if there are cupboards on the walls? And should you pva seal all romos or just bathrooms and kitchens? No rooms at all! Never put PVA on plaster before painting; it's far worse than not treating it at all. It seals the plaster, but makes a nice non-stick layer which the paint will subsequently peel right off. Use cheap diluted-down emulsion. David David, you should have typed that in capital letters! DON'T PUT PVA ON BARE PLASTER IF YOU INTEND TO PAINT OVER IT!!!!!!!!! So that's definitely no pva then? Matt emulsion? -- http://www.orderonlinepickupinstore.co.uk Ah fetch it yourself if you can't wait for delivery http://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk Or get it delivered for free |
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On Jun 7, 8:21 am, Mogga wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:47:45 -0700, Mr Fuxit wrote: On 6 Jun, 17:28, Lobster wrote: Mogga wrote: OK it says at least 4 weeks before painting (sealing) but what about hanging units on them? Will they stop drying out if there are cupboards on the walls? And should you pva seal all romos or just bathrooms and kitchens? No rooms at all! Never put PVA on plaster before painting; it's far worse than not treating it at all. It seals the plaster, but makes a nice non-stick layer which the paint will subsequently peel right off. Use cheap diluted-down emulsion. David David, you should have typed that in capital letters! DON'T PUT PVA ON BARE PLASTER IF YOU INTEND TO PAINT OVER IT!!!!!!!!! So that's definitely no pva then? Matt emulsion? --http://www.orderonlinepickupinstore.co.uk Ah fetch it yourself if you can't wait for deliveryhttp://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk Or get it delivered for free Normal matt in kitchen & bathrooms - no. Dulux & B&Q both do a kitchen and bathroom matt. These will withstand the higher humidity and water splashes you may have in these rooms. |
New plaster walls
On Jun 7, 8:21 am, Mogga wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:47:45 -0700, Mr Fuxit wrote: On 6 Jun, 17:28, Lobster wrote: Mogga wrote: OK it says at least 4 weeks before painting (sealing) but what about hanging units on them? Will they stop drying out if there are cupboards on the walls? And should you pva seal all romos or just bathrooms and kitchens? No rooms at all! Never put PVA on plaster before painting; it's far worse than not treating it at all. It seals the plaster, but makes a nice non-stick layer which the paint will subsequently peel right off. Use cheap diluted-down emulsion. David David, you should have typed that in capital letters! DON'T PUT PVA ON BARE PLASTER IF YOU INTEND TO PAINT OVER IT!!!!!!!!! So that's definitely no pva then? Matt emulsion? --http://www.orderonlinepickupinstore.co.uk Ah fetch it yourself if you can't wait for deliveryhttp://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk Or get it delivered for free normal matt emulsion - no. Dulux or B&Q Kitchen & Bathroom matt - yes |
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Mr Fuxit wrote:
On 6 Jun, 17:28, Lobster wrote: Mogga wrote: OK it says at least 4 weeks before painting (sealing) but what about hanging units on them? Will they stop drying out if there are cupboards on the walls? And should you pva seal all romos or just bathrooms and kitchens? No rooms at all! Never put PVA on plaster before painting; it's far worse than not treating it at all. It seals the plaster, but makes a nice non-stick layer which the paint will subsequently peel right off. Use cheap diluted-down emulsion. David David, you should have typed that in capital letters! DON'T PUT PVA ON BARE PLASTER IF YOU INTEND TO PAINT OVER IT!!!!!!!!! Hmmm - I've nearly always done it, and never had any problems. I've occasionally used thinned emulsion instead, and that's worked fine too. Once her ladyship changed the plan and I had to emulsion over sizing, and that worked OK as well. Seems to me that the key is to use a very light, thin penetrating application, rather than slather on so much paint/pva/size/sealant so it skins. |
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On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 11:33:03 -0700, diypaint
wrote: Matt emulsion? --http://www.orderonlinepickupinstore.co.uk Ah fetch it yourself if you can't wait for deliveryhttp://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk Or get it delivered for free normal matt emulsion - no. Dulux or B&Q Kitchen & Bathroom matt - yes for the dilution bit? -- http://www.orderonlinepickupinstore.co.uk Ah fetch it yourself if you can't wait for delivery http://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk Or get it delivered for free |
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On Jun 8, 10:11 am, Mogga wrote:
On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 11:33:03 -0700, diypaint wrote: Matt emulsion? --http://www.orderonlinepickupinstore.co.uk Ah fetch it yourself if you can't wait for deliveryhttp://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk Or get it delivered for free normal matt emulsion - no. Dulux or B&Q Kitchen & Bathroom matt - yes for the dilution bit? --http://www.orderonlinepickupinstore.co.uk Ah fetch it yourself if you can't wait for deliveryhttp://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk Or get it delivered for free Use plaster sealer. With any other method (PVA or diluted paint) you may get away with it, you may not. |
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On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:34:51 -0700, diypaint
wrote: On Jun 8, 10:11 am, Mogga wrote: On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 11:33:03 -0700, diypaint wrote: Matt emulsion? --http://www.orderonlinepickupinstore.co.uk Ah fetch it yourself if you can't wait for deliveryhttp://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk Or get it delivered for free normal matt emulsion - no. Dulux or B&Q Kitchen & Bathroom matt - yes for the dilution bit? --http://www.orderonlinepickupinstore.co.uk Ah fetch it yourself if you can't wait for deliveryhttp://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk Or get it delivered for free Use plaster sealer. With any other method (PVA or diluted paint) you may get away with it, you may not. We asked in B&Q for it and they don't even sell their own. Someone else was there looking for it too. They recommended emulsion We went to focus and they don't stock it either. They recommended PVA. -- http://www.orderonlinepickupinstore.co.uk Ah fetch it yourself if you can't wait for delivery http://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk Or get it delivered for free |
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In article ,
Mogga writes: We asked in B&Q for it and they don't even sell their own. Someone else was there looking for it too. They recommended emulsion We went to focus and they don't stock it either. They recommended PVA. You might find it in a specialist decorators supplier. However, most decorators use cheap brilliant white emulsion, thinned (or don't bother preparing the plaster at all, and don't care that the paint will flake off in a few years). -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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On Jun 9, 4:55 pm, Mogga wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:34:51 -0700, diypaint wrote: On Jun 8, 10:11 am, Mogga wrote: On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 11:33:03 -0700, diypaint wrote: Matt emulsion? --http://www.orderonlinepickupinstore.co.uk Ah fetch it yourself if you can't wait for deliveryhttp://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk Or get it delivered for free normal matt emulsion - no. Dulux or B&Q Kitchen & Bathroom matt - yes for the dilution bit? --http://www.orderonlinepickupinstore.co.uk Ah fetch it yourself if you can't wait for deliveryhttp://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk Or get it delivered for free Use plaster sealer. With any other method (PVA or diluted paint) you may get away with it, you may not. We asked in B&Q for it and they don't even sell their own. Someone else was there looking for it too. They recommended emulsion We went to focus and they don't stock it either. They recommended PVA. --http://www.orderonlinepickupinstore.co.uk Ah fetch it yourself if you can't wait for deliveryhttp://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk Or get it delivered for free B&Q do sell plaster sealer! Though you may need to go to a warehouse store to find it. Go to www.diy.com and search for "plaster sealer". You'll get several hits. They stock their own brand and a dulux branded product. |
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On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 16:36:12 -0000, diypaint
wrote: We asked in B&Q for it and they don't even sell their own. Someone else was there looking for it too. They recommended emulsion We went to focus and they don't stock it either. They recommended PVA. --http://www.orderonlinepickupinstore.co.uk Ah fetch it yourself if you can't wait for deliveryhttp://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk Or get it delivered for free B&Q do sell plaster sealer! Though you may need to go to a warehouse store to find it. Go to www.diy.com and search for "plaster sealer". You'll get several hits. They stock their own brand and a dulux branded product. We went to the B&Q warehouse. The largest in the are with two floors. They don't sell it. You can't buy it online but it is listed - both their own and dulux. -- http://www.orderonlinepickupinstore.co.uk Ah fetch it yourself if you can't wait for delivery http://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk Or get it delivered for free |
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On 09 Jun 2007 16:18:55 GMT, (Andrew
Gabriel) wrote: In article , Mogga writes: We asked in B&Q for it and they don't even sell their own. Someone else was there looking for it too. They recommended emulsion We went to focus and they don't stock it either. They recommended PVA. You might find it in a specialist decorators supplier. However, most decorators use cheap brilliant white emulsion, thinned (or don't bother preparing the plaster at all, and don't care that the paint will flake off in a few years). I think this is the route we'll be going... although its almost tempting to do half one way in pva and one in emulsion... -- http://www.orderonlinepickupinstore.co.uk Ah fetch it yourself if you can't wait for delivery http://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk Or get it delivered for free |
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On Jun 9, 6:57 pm, Mogga wrote:
On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 16:36:12 -0000, diypaint wrote: We asked in B&Q for it and they don't even sell their own. Someone else was there looking for it too. They recommended emulsion We went to focus and they don't stock it either. They recommended PVA. --http://www.orderonlinepickupinstore.co.uk Ah fetch it yourself if you can't wait for deliveryhttp://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk Or get it delivered for free B&Q do sell plaster sealer! Though you may need to go to a warehouse store to find it. Go towww.diy.comand search for "plaster sealer". You'll get several hits. They stock their own brand and a dulux branded product. We went to the B&Q warehouse. The largest in the are with two floors. They don't sell it. You can't buy it online but it is listed - both their own and dulux. --http://www.orderonlinepickupinstore.co.uk Ah fetch it yourself if you can't wait for deliveryhttp://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk Or get it delivered for free It is is a white container with a screw top lid. Go to the store armed with the EAN (barcode number - which you can get from the website) and ask for a location at the service desk. 0000003220726 (2.5L) 0000003311271 (1 L) If I remember right, it is in the same aisle as paint brushes etc....Just to be sure, give the store a ring before u go to see if they have any in stock. Good luck.!!! |
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On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 19:17:47 -0000, diypaint
wrote: It is is a white container with a screw top lid. Go to the store armed with the EAN (barcode number - which you can get from the website) and ask for a location at the service desk. 0000003220726 (2.5L) 0000003311271 (1 L) If I remember right, it is in the same aisle as paint brushes etc....Just to be sure, give the store a ring before u go to see if they have any in stock. Good luck.!!! I think you're madly optimistic! She looked it up on the computer and came and showed us the shelf where it'd be. I thinkit was interesting to see their attitude too - that the staff were happy to not recommend it. Wonder if dulux know? :) -- http://www.orderonlinepickupinstore.co.uk Ah fetch it yourself if you can't wait for delivery http://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk Or get it delivered for free |
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On Jun 9, 10:20 pm, Mogga wrote:
On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 19:17:47 -0000, diypaint wrote: It is is a white container with a screw top lid. Go to the store armed with the EAN (barcode number - which you can get from the website) and ask for a location at the service desk. 0000003220726 (2.5L) 0000003311271 (1 L) If I remember right, it is in the same aisle as paint brushes etc....Just to be sure, give the store a ring before u go to see if they have any in stock. Good luck.!!! I think you're madly optimistic! She looked it up on the computer and came and showed us the shelf where it'd be. I thinkit was interesting to see their attitude too - that the staff were happy to not recommend it. Wonder if dulux know? :) --http://www.orderonlinepickupinstore.co.uk Ah fetch it yourself if you can't wait for deliveryhttp://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk Or get it delivered for free Hiya, madly optimistic! The nicest thing anyone has said to me in a while!! lol I miss-understood what you were saying - I though you were saying that they didn't sell it rather than they didn't have any in stock. Maybe loads of people have been reading these posts and now there is a countrywide shortage of plaster sealer?!! :-) The EANs I posted were for the B&Q version, not Dulux. In my opinion it is actully better - as it has a shorter re-coat time and does just as good a job!. |
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On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 21:49:40 -0000, diypaint
wrote: On Jun 9, 10:20 pm, Mogga wrote: On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 19:17:47 -0000, diypaint wrote: It is is a white container with a screw top lid. Go to the store armed with the EAN (barcode number - which you can get from the website) and ask for a location at the service desk. 0000003220726 (2.5L) 0000003311271 (1 L) If I remember right, it is in the same aisle as paint brushes etc....Just to be sure, give the store a ring before u go to see if they have any in stock. Good luck.!!! I think you're madly optimistic! She looked it up on the computer and came and showed us the shelf where it'd be. I thinkit was interesting to see their attitude too - that the staff were happy to not recommend it. Wonder if dulux know? :) --http://www.orderonlinepickupinstore.co.uk Ah fetch it yourself if you can't wait for deliveryhttp://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk Or get it delivered for free Hiya, madly optimistic! The nicest thing anyone has said to me in a while!! lol I miss-understood what you were saying - I though you were saying that they didn't sell it rather than they didn't have any in stock. Maybe loads of people have been reading these posts and now there is a countrywide shortage of plaster sealer?!! :-) the bloke implied they never had any in stock but he'd not recommend it anyway :) The EANs I posted were for the B&Q version, not Dulux. In my opinion it is actully better - as it has a shorter re-coat time and does just as good a job!. -- http://www.orderonlinepickupinstore.co.uk Ah fetch it yourself if you can't wait for delivery http://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk Or get it delivered for free |
New plaster walls
50/50 matt is fine. If you need to use PVA then water it down by a lot
more then 50/50. Use 50/50 Matt paint though it's alot easier. Paster will dry within a week or less. I hate it when I redecorate a place thats has unsealed plaster, my pet hate along with people that have not removed covers on downlights before decorating. On 9 Jun, 17:18, (Andrew Gabriel) wrote: In article , Mogga writes: We asked in B&Q for it and they don't even sell their own. Someone else was there looking for it too. They recommended emulsion We went to focus and they don't stock it either. They recommended PVA. You might find it in a specialist decorators supplier. However, most decorators use cheap brilliant white emulsion, thinned (or don't bother preparing the plaster at all, and don't care that the paint will flake off in a few years). -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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