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On May 22, 9:17 am, wrote:
233 articles now, it just keeps gowing... Contents:http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...ecial:Allpages Latest additions: Insulation links Door security Roofing links When shower curtains attack Vacuum cleaners I never use it but don't mind you spamming here with it. Just remind Usenet users that only Usenet is unlikely to phish/feck with your posts and remove them without your help. |
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On 22 May, 09:17, wrote:
233 articles now, it just keeps gowing... Contents:http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...ecial:Allpages Latest additions: Insulation links Door security Roofing links When shower curtains attack Vacuum cleaners NT and http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...c_installation |
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In article .com,
wrote: http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...c_installation The bit about never re-using cable of the correct spec is rather vague. It may have been straight off the drum and clipped to a beam etc with hardly being bent - or flexed many times while routing through walls and under floors, etc. So common sense would apply. Although I doubt in practice it's much of an issue unless extending an existing installation where it might be thought all the cabling must be replaced? -- *The most common name in the world is Mohammed * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...c_installation Rather too much of that is complete nonsense... especially the last bit -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 22 May 2007 10:26:54 GMT, Huge wrote:
On 2007-05-22, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article .com, wrote: http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...c_installation The bit about never re-using cable of the correct spec is rather vague. It may have been straight off the drum and clipped to a beam etc with hardly being bent - or flexed many times while routing through walls and under floors, etc. So common sense would apply. Although I doubt in practice it's much of an issue unless extending an existing installation where it might be thought all the cabling must be replaced? Blimey, where would I be without my "offcuts" box? And I'd like to see a cite for this; "Electricity kills and injures many people every year. A great many of these people are dead or injured because they tried installations which they did not understand." It would also help if it was written with a basic use of the language. |
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EricP wrote: It would also help if it was written with a basic use of the language. Yes - it's pretty appalling. If someone hasn't the basics of English can they read and interprate regs correctly? -- *Time is what keeps everything from happening at once. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Huge wrote: And I'd like to see a cite for this; "Electricity kills and injures many people every year. A great many of these people are dead or injured because they tried installations which they did not understand." Best then not to try an installation but to leave it untried. It can't bite then. Too many 'leave it to the pros' in this article. Must have been written by someone with an axe to grind. -- *Honk if you love peace and quiet* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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EricP wrote:
On 22 May 2007 10:26:54 GMT, Huge wrote: On 2007-05-22, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article .com, wrote: http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...c_installation The bit about never re-using cable of the correct spec is rather vague. It may have been straight off the drum and clipped to a beam etc with hardly being bent - or flexed many times while routing through walls and under floors, etc. So common sense would apply. Although I doubt in practice it's much of an issue unless extending an existing installation where it might be thought all the cabling must be replaced? Blimey, where would I be without my "offcuts" box? And I'd like to see a cite for this; "Electricity kills and injures many people every year. A great many of these people are dead or injured because they tried installations which they did not understand." It would also help if it was written with a basic use of the language. and preferably by an electrician |
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On Tue, 22 May 2007 12:14:45 +0100, John Rumm
wrote: Rather too much of that is complete nonsense... especially the last bit It seems somewhat unfair that Manuel should be singled out in law to have the electrical installation in any house he buys or sells checked each and every time. -- Peter Parry. http://www.wpp.ltd.uk/ |
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Stuart Noble wrote: It would also help if it was written with a basic use of the language. and preferably by an electrician No. By someone who understands the regs etc. The two aren't always compatible. -- *On the seventh day He brewed beer * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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wrote: http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...c_installation Rather too much of that is complete nonsense... especially the last bit And doesn't the fact that it is sitting there in it's current form rather suggest that the concept of a diy Wiki, however well-intentioned, is fundamentally flawed? It's a similar situation to the articles John Rumm cited here the other day in his thread "electrical stuff" - AFAICS having been alerted to a John's new wiki article lots of people duly suggested and discussed various changes here in the newsgroup, whereupon John went off and tweaked his article. But that's exactly what's always happened here historically when people have penned articles for the uk.d-i-y FAQ, isn't it? It's not how a wiki is meant to work. And if John hadn't specifically invited the critique, there would have been none... David |
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Lobster wrote:
And doesn't the fact that it is sitting there in it's current form rather suggest that the concept of a diy Wiki, however well-intentioned, is fundamentally flawed? There are flaws with the concept certainly. Although the same is true of our traditional FAQ approach. It seems only fair to highlight there are things wrong with it, and give the author chance to give it another going over. If not we can always put it right. (or as I suggested in: http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...installati on Have the useful stuff out of it (with the errors corrected) and merge it into existing articles that cover most of the subject already). It's a similar situation to the articles John Rumm cited here the other day in his thread "electrical stuff" - AFAICS having been alerted to a John's new wiki article lots of people duly suggested and discussed various changes here in the newsgroup, whereupon John went off and tweaked his article. But that's exactly what's always happened here historically when people have penned articles for the uk.d-i-y FAQ, It is, although the wiki adds a little speed to the system in that changes can be implemented faster. Its also an opportunity to fiddle with presentation and layout of material a little more to make it more accessible without placing an unreasonable maintenance burden on Phil (the FAQ maintainer) to keep updating things. The wiki is still early days for the group, and I expect not many people have plucked up the nerve to have a fiddle with it. It takes a little time to work out a comfortable way of working with it that is cooperative but still leaves authors enough control. isn't it? It's not how a wiki is meant to work. And if John hadn't specifically invited the critique, there would have been none... Mostly but not totally true, you will note if you look at the history, that Andy W and John S have made many improvements to it by themselves as well. Posting here is obviously a good way of drawing attention to a new section, as one would for a new FAQ entry. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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Weatherlawyer writes On May 22, 9:17 am, wrote: 233 articles now, it just keeps gowing... Contents:http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...ecial:Allpages Latest additions: Insulation links Door security Roofing links When shower curtains attack Vacuum cleaners I never use it but don't mind you spamming here with it. I don't think anyone really cares whether you mind or not This is a uk.d-i-y venture, run by uk.d-i-y members for uk.d-i-y members -- geoff |
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In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes In article , EricP wrote: It would also help if it was written with a basic use of the language. Yes - it's pretty appalling. If someone hasn't the basics of English can they read and interprate regs correctly? Why is it that people commenting on someone else's use of English always make a mistake themselves. Is it compulsory ? -- geoff |
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In uk.d-i-y, raden wrote:
In message , "Dave Plowman (News)" writes In article , EricP wrote: It would also help if it was written with a basic use of the language. Yes - it's pretty appalling. If someone hasn't the basics of English can they read and interprate regs correctly? Why is it that people commenting on someone else's use of English always make a mistake themselves. Is it compulsory ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skitt's_law -- Mike Barnes |
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writes In uk.d-i-y, raden wrote: In message , "Dave Plowman (News)" writes In article , EricP wrote: It would also help if it was written with a basic use of the language. Yes - it's pretty appalling. If someone hasn't the basics of English can they read and interprate regs correctly? Why is it that people commenting on someone else's use of English always make a mistake themselves. Is it compulsory ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skitt's_law Ah -- geoff |
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On 22 May, 17:45, Lobster wrote:
John Rumm wrote: wrote: http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...estic_installa... Rather too much of that is complete nonsense... especially the last bit And doesn't the fact that it is sitting there in it's current form rather suggest that the concept of a diy Wiki, however well-intentioned, is fundamentally flawed? It's a similar situation to the articles John Rumm cited here the other day in his thread "electrical stuff" - AFAICS having been alerted to a John's new wiki article lots of people duly suggested and discussed various changes here in the newsgroup, whereupon John went off and tweaked his article. But that's exactly what's always happened here historically when people have penned articles for the uk.d-i-y FAQ, isn't it? It's not how a wiki is meant to work. And if John hadn't specifically invited the critique, there would have been none... David Wiki format has real strengths and weaknesses too - the strength in this case is that anyone unhappy with it can put it right. Thats one reason I mentioned the article here, as it does have issues to fix. I dont agree with everything in it, but I appreciate the fact that someone put a fair bit of effort into it, created an article, and that theres useful information in it too. Its the first stage of the process, then people come along and clean up any issues. Some have had a pop here, now lets see the same people fix a mistake. One correction is all it takes, then between us it would all be done. NT |
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raden wrote: In message , "Dave Plowman (News)" writes In article , EricP wrote: It would also help if it was written with a basic use of the language. Yes - it's pretty appalling. If someone hasn't the basics of English can they read and interprate regs correctly? Why is it that people commenting on someone else's use of English always make a mistake themselves. Is it compulsory ? Yes. And I'm nothing if not predictable. Even if it means switching off the spell checker. ;-) -- *Plagiarism saves time * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Some have had a pop here, now lets see the same people fix a mistake. One correction is all it takes, then between us it would all be done. OK, here is my stab at it: I have not touched the main article, other than to add a warning that it is not as good as would be liked. I have ported the better ideas to the existing "Cables" article and expanded that: http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?title=Cables I have also pulled in much of the material from the Cable Sizes one in the process. It seems I have inadvertently duplicated some information on wiring colours, but since that article is a wikipedia left perhaps that is not a bad thing. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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"Huge" wrote in message ... .... And I'd like to see a cite for this; "Electricity kills and injures many people every year. A great many of these people are dead or injured because they tried installations which they did not understand." .... When I worked for an Electricity Board, we had to investigate all electrocution deaths for the Coroner. ISTR the most common cause was using mains electrical appliances on extension leads in the bathroom. We also had a small, but steady, stream of teenagers who tried to climb pylons or, in one case, the insulators in a 132kV sub-station. I only recall one death that involved anything that could remotely be described as an installation - one of our own electricians, who was found dead next to a set of traffic lights he was maintaining. Colin Bignell |
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raden wrote:
In message , "Dave Plowman (News)" writes In article , EricP wrote: It would also help if it was written with a basic use of the language. Yes - it's pretty appalling. If someone hasn't the basics of English can they read and interprate regs correctly? Why is it that people commenting on someone else's use of English always make a mistake themselves. Is it compulsory ? It's the fault of the red mist, as a sometime pedant I can attest that it can be hard to proof read when trying to see the screen through the stuff. Peter -- Add my middle initial to email me. It has become attached to a country www.the-brights.net |
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In uk.d-i-y, raden wrote: In message , "Dave Plowman (News)" writes In article , EricP wrote: It would also help if it was written with a basic use of the language. Yes - it's pretty appalling. If someone hasn't the basics of English can they read and interprate regs correctly? Why is it that people commenting on someone else's use of English always make a mistake themselves. Is it compulsory ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skitt's_law I very much liked the alternative title: Merphy's law. Made me laff that one did. Peter -- Add my middle initial to email me. It has become attached to a country www.the-brights.net |
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"nightjar .uk.com" nightjar@insert my surname here wrote in message ... "Huge" wrote in message ... ... And I'd like to see a cite for this; "Electricity kills and injures many people every year. A great many of these people are dead or injured because they tried installations which they did not understand." ... When I worked for an Electricity Board, we had to investigate all electrocution deaths for the Coroner. ISTR the most common cause was using mains electrical appliances on extension leads in the bathroom. We also had a small, but steady, stream of teenagers who tried to climb pylons or, in one case, the insulators in a 132kV sub-station. I only recall one death that involved anything that could remotely be described as an installation - one of our own electricians, who was found dead next to a set of traffic lights he was maintaining. Colin Bignell Sadly people do die, the phrase "a great many" seems to be a bit of an exaggeration. Article 1 on the link is the last one I remember locally. http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/nr/moderngov/Data/Health%2C%20Welfare%20and%20Safety%20Panel/20010406/Agenda/$Bulletin.doc.pdf Adam |
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On Wed, 23 May 2007 19:51:46 GMT, "ARWadsworth"
wrote: |! |!"nightjar .uk.com" nightjar@insert my surname here wrote in message ... |! |! "Huge" wrote in message |! ... |! ... |! And I'd like to see a cite for this; "Electricity kills and injures many |! people |! every year. A great many of these people are dead or injured because they |! tried |! installations which they did not understand." |! ... |! |! When I worked for an Electricity Board, we had to investigate all |! electrocution deaths for the Coroner. ISTR the most common cause was using |! mains electrical appliances on extension leads in the bathroom. We also |! had a small, but steady, stream of teenagers who tried to climb pylons or, |! in one case, the insulators in a 132kV sub-station. I only recall one |! death that involved anything that could remotely be described as an |! installation - one of our own electricians, who was found dead next to a |! set of traffic lights he was maintaining. |! |! Colin Bignell |! |!Sadly people do die, the phrase "a great many" seems to be a bit of an |!exaggeration. Article 1 on the link is the last one I remember locally. |!http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/nr/moderngov/Data/Health%2C%20Welfare%20and%20Safety%20Panel/20010406/Agenda/$Bulletin.doc.pdf Just compare that with the about 9 people we kill per day on the roads. -- Dave Fawthrop sf hyphenologist.co.uk 165 *Free* SF ebooks. 165 Sci Fi books on CDROM, from Project Gutenberg http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Main_Page Completely Free to any address in the UK. Contact me on the *above* email address. |
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On Wed, 23 May 2007 20:56:08 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
mused: On Wed, 23 May 2007 19:51:46 GMT, "ARWadsworth" wrote: |! |!"nightjar .uk.com" nightjar@insert my surname here wrote in message ... |! |! "Huge" wrote in message |! ... |! ... |! And I'd like to see a cite for this; "Electricity kills and injures many |! people |! every year. A great many of these people are dead or injured because they |! tried |! installations which they did not understand." |! ... |! |! When I worked for an Electricity Board, we had to investigate all |! electrocution deaths for the Coroner. ISTR the most common cause was using |! mains electrical appliances on extension leads in the bathroom. We also |! had a small, but steady, stream of teenagers who tried to climb pylons or, |! in one case, the insulators in a 132kV sub-station. I only recall one |! death that involved anything that could remotely be described as an |! installation - one of our own electricians, who was found dead next to a |! set of traffic lights he was maintaining. |! |! Colin Bignell |! |!Sadly people do die, the phrase "a great many" seems to be a bit of an |!exaggeration. Article 1 on the link is the last one I remember locally. |!http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/nr/moderngov/Data/Health%2C%20Welfare%20and%20Safety%20Panel/20010406/Agenda/$Bulletin.doc.pdf Just compare that with the about 9 people we kill per day on the roads. We as in us or we as in you and your mate? -- Regards, Stuart. |
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In message , Dave Fawthrop
writes |! |!Sadly people do die, the phrase "a great many" seems to be a bit of an |!exaggeration. Article 1 on the link is the last one I remember locally. |!http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/nr/moder...%20Welfare%20a |!nd%20Safety%20Panel/20010406/Agenda/$Bulletin.doc.pdf Just compare that with the about 9 people we kill per day on the roads. I don't recall killing anybody today (or any other day) on the roads Makes note to self - must make more of an effort tomorrow -- geoff |
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