The 24K police shower room saga
Some of you may remember a thread a month or two back about the Chief
Constable of North Yorkshire spending £24000 on a refurb of the en-suite shower room to her office. Anyway, this evening a report into the issue has been released, and the author was being quizzed on Radio York. Original refurb of the 1970's shower room was budgeted at about 6K. Poor project management is being blamed for costs quadrupling, looks the like the Police Estates Dept will be carrying the can on this. Sounds like of couple of ill-considered decisions were made without examining the implications. 1) Re-arrange the fittings the room - result soil stack had to be moved. 2) Specifying a mixer valve for the shower rather than the previous instantaneous electric one - result installation of a complete new hot water feed system. (To be fair, the CC had received an electric shock in the room apparently) Couple of other unexpected things, removing some tiles revealed another layer of tiles, which had to be removed, which then required replastering - but it's a listed building so special plaster / techniques had to be used. Well I'm going to ask if I can pop in a pee next time I'm passing - my council tax has paid for it! -- steve |
The 24K police shower room saga
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:30:57 +0000 someone who may be Steven Briggs
wrote this:- Anyway, this evening a report into the issue has been released, and the author was being quizzed on Radio York. Original refurb of the 1970's shower room was budgeted at about 6K. Poor project management is being blamed for costs quadrupling, looks the like the Police Estates Dept will be carrying the can on this. That's usually the case. The customer asks for something to be done, they are told it will be expensive, they say to do it all the same and then they duck when the costs of their actions come in. Sounds like of couple of ill-considered decisions were made without examining the implications. 1) Re-arrange the fittings the room - result soil stack had to be moved. Sounds possible, depending on the size of the room and the layout. An expensive change to the project. 2) Specifying a mixer valve for the shower rather than the previous instantaneous electric one - result installation of a complete new hot water feed system. Obviously. An expensive change to the project. I hope they have taken adequate precautions against legionella. (To be fair, the CC had received an electric shock in the room apparently) So what? People are not being struck down every day by instantaneous electric showers. I still don't see why she can't use the same showers as everyone else. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54 |
The 24K police shower room saga
"Steven Briggs" wrote in message ... Some of you may remember a thread a month or two back about the Chief Constable of North Yorkshire spending £24000 on a refurb of the en-suite shower room to her office. Anyway, this evening a report into the issue has been released, and the author was being quizzed on Radio York. Original refurb of the 1970's shower room was budgeted at about 6K. Poor project management is being blamed for costs quadrupling, looks the like the Police Estates Dept will be carrying the can on this. Sounds like of couple of ill-considered decisions were made without examining the implications. 1) Re-arrange the fittings the room - result soil stack had to be moved. 2) Specifying a mixer valve for the shower rather than the previous instantaneous electric one - result installation of a complete new hot water feed system. (To be fair, the CC had received an electric shock in the room apparently) Not fatal unfortunatley. Adam |
The 24K police shower room saga
David Hansen wrote:
(To be fair, the CC had received an electric shock in the room apparently) So what? People are not being struck down every day by instantaneous electric showers. I think you may be thinking of hit 'n' run motorists there... -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
The 24K police shower room saga
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:30:57 +0000, Steven Briggs wrote:
Some of you may remember a thread a month or two back about the Chief Constable of North Yorkshire spending £24000 on a refurb of the en-suite shower room to her office. Ah yes, terrible unforseen circumstances, etc, etc. But the same lot have also spent a fecking fortune on installing a sunshade in the garden which they could have purchased from the most expensive supplier in Europe for about 1/10th of the price. http://www.northyorkshire.police.uk/...ess/canopy.htm Oh look, it's the same Chief Constable posing in front of the errrm, thing. I've been to the police headquarters in question, it's very nice. Peaceful, located near a top notch hotel and restaurant. Miles from anywhere. The term "ivory tower" came to mind. |
The 24K police shower room saga
In message , Steve Firth
writes On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:30:57 +0000, Steven Briggs wrote: Some of you may remember a thread a month or two back about the Chief Constable of North Yorkshire spending £24000 on a refurb of the en-suite shower room to her office. Ah yes, terrible unforseen circumstances, etc, etc. But the same lot have also spent a fecking fortune on installing a sunshade in the garden which they could have purchased from the most expensive supplier in Europe for about 1/10th of the price. http://www.northyorkshire.police.uk/...ess/canopy.htm Oh look, it's the same Chief Constable posing in front of the errrm, thing. Erm, yeah, Thing. Its about all you _can_ say about it! I've been to the police headquarters in question, it's very nice. Peaceful, located near a top notch hotel and restaurant. Miles from anywhere. The term "ivory tower" came to mind. Indeed. Its so good to see they're carefully spending all the money raised by doubling the Police precept a few years back (Checks council tax bills, 2002 +41.5%, 2003 +76.1%) -- steve |
The 24K police shower room saga
In message , Steve Firth
writes On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:30:57 +0000, Steven Briggs wrote: Some of you may remember a thread a month or two back about the Chief Constable of North Yorkshire spending £24000 on a refurb of the en-suite shower room to her office. Ah yes, terrible unforseen circumstances, etc, etc. But the same lot have also spent a fecking fortune on installing a sunshade in the garden which they could have purchased from the most expensive supplier in Europe for about 1/10th of the price. http://www.northyorkshire.police.uk/...ess/canopy.htm That's one expensive tarpaulin Oh look, it's the same Chief Constable posing in front of the errrm, thing. I've been to the police headquarters in question, it's very nice. Peaceful, located near a top notch hotel and restaurant. Miles from anywhere. The term "ivory tower" came to mind. Misuse of funds more like -- geoff |
The 24K police shower room saga
"Steve Firth" wrote in message ... On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:30:57 +0000, Steven Briggs wrote: Some of you may remember a thread a month or two back about the Chief Constable of North Yorkshire spending £24000 on a refurb of the en-suite shower room to her office. Ah yes, terrible unforseen circumstances, etc, etc. But the same lot have also spent a fecking fortune on installing a sunshade in the garden which they could have purchased from the most expensive supplier in Europe for about 1/10th of the price. http://www.northyorkshire.police.uk/...ess/canopy.htm Oh look, it's the same Chief Constable posing in front of the errrm, thing. When this constabulary are enforcing the diktat of nuLabor and harrasing smokers, next year, will the 'architectural canopy' constitute an 'enclosure' within the meaning of the Act? One wouldn't like to contemplate snokers stubbing out their fag-ends on the decking and/or gravel beds. I've been to the police headquarters in question, it's very nice. Peaceful, located near a top notch hotel and restaurant. Miles from anywhere. The term "ivory tower" came to mind. According to today's 'Telegraph (it must be true) something in the order of 'Police Stations' have been closed ! Lack of resources? -- Brian |
The 24K police shower room saga
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:56:20 +0000, Steve Firth
wrote: On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:30:57 +0000, Steven Briggs wrote: Some of you may remember a thread a month or two back about the Chief Constable of North Yorkshire spending £24000 on a refurb of the en-suite shower room to her office. Ah yes, terrible unforseen circumstances, etc, etc. But the same lot have also spent a fecking fortune on installing a sunshade in the garden which they could have purchased from the most expensive supplier in Europe for about 1/10th of the price. http://www.northyorkshire.police.uk/...ess/canopy.htm Oh look, it's the same Chief Constable posing in front of the errrm, thing. I've been to the police headquarters in question, it's very nice. Peaceful, located near a top notch hotel and restaurant. Miles from anywhere. Presumably similar facilities are being provided at local police stations as well as "headquarters", so that all staff can benefit. -- Frank Erskine |
The 24K police shower room saga
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:05:37 GMT, Brian Sharrock wrote:
According to today's 'Telegraph (it must be true) something in the order of 'Police Stations' have been closed ! Lack of resources? Loads closed around here. We haven't had a copper in the village since the 1980s nearest police station was six miles away now that has closed. All the coppers in the nearest market town were removed from duty and within a few weeks the place saw a murder in the street and a series of bank/shop robberies. The excuse given for taking coppers away was "there had been no significant crime in the area for a number of years." Well surprise, surprise, it looks like those coppers may well have been doing something after all. Meanwhile spending on police headquarters goes on unabated, this being the place clever located next to a country park, in a magnificent country home with its own sports complex, restaurants etc. And all within easy reach of a nice harbour and marina with numerous upper crust restaurants. Of course the place is in a damned inconvenient location for access and for emergency access but it *is* handy for access to two large shopping complexes. It's comforting to know that our money is being so well spent. |
The 24K police shower room saga
I've been to the police headquarters in question, it's very nice. Peaceful, located near a top notch hotel and restaurant. Miles from anywhere. Hope you weren't "on business", as it were. |
The 24K police shower room saga
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David Hansen wrote: So what? People are not being struck down every day by instantaneous electric showers. I still don't see why she can't use the same showers as everyone else. Perhaps she likes to get clean in a reasonable time? -- *I didn't drive my husband crazy -- I flew him there -- it was faster Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
The 24K police shower room saga
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Steve Firth wrote: Loads closed around here. We haven't had a copper in the village since the 1980s nearest police station was six miles away now that has closed. All the coppers in the nearest market town were removed from duty and within a few weeks the place saw a murder in the street and a series of bank/shop robberies. Some time ago my car got damaged while parked and of course I had to report it for the 'crime number' or whatever. I drove more than 6 miles round London before finding a station I could do this at. Of course with an intimate knowledge of police stations I could have gone straight to the one which was open and isn't six miles away. But I made the mistake of trying to use ones I'd been to before. -- *Of course I'm against sin; I'm against anything that I'm too old to enjoy. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
The 24K police shower room saga
On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:59:08 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Steve Firth wrote: Loads closed around here. We haven't had a copper in the village since the 1980s nearest police station was six miles away now that has closed. All the coppers in the nearest market town were removed from duty and within a few weeks the place saw a murder in the street and a series of bank/shop robberies. Some time ago my car got damaged while parked and of course I had to report it for the 'crime number' or whatever. I drove more than 6 miles round London before finding a station I could do this at. Of course with an intimate knowledge of police stations I could have gone straight to the one which was open and isn't six miles away. But I made the mistake of trying to use ones I'd been to before. It's a national problem. You may recall my grumble about a fireman misusing the blue lights on his car to overtake me. I complained to the police about it, I wanted to complain at the nearest town (which I don't know well). This is a sizeable place and it has a police station which I had seen open. Indeed on the night in question it was open for business with cars arriving and departing. But the door was locked and the only facility for the public was a yellow telephone to one side of the door. I went to the police station because the police tell me they don't take telephone complaints seriously, only complaints made in person. |
The 24K police shower room saga
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Steve Firth saying something like: But the same lot have also spent a fecking fortune on installing a sunshade in the garden which they could have purchased from the most expensive supplier in Europe for about 1/10th of the price. http://www.northyorkshire.police.uk/...ess/canopy.htm ****'s sake. 7.5 grand for that? Ok, some of that will be labour, but really. The canopy is nothing more than a bit of tarp, a few poles and some guy wire - about 300quid max I would think. Of course, the designer/architect's fees on top - that would really inflate it. -- Dave |
The 24K police shower room saga
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****'s sake. 7.5 grand for that? Ok, some of that will be labour, but really. The canopy is nothing more than a bit of tarp, a few poles and some guy wire - about 300quid max I would think. After the high winds of the last week or so it may not be there any longer. :) -- Tony Williams. |
The 24K police shower room saga
In message , Steve Firth
writes The excuse given for taking coppers away was "there had been no significant crime in the area for a number of years." Well surprise, surprise, it looks like those coppers may well have been doing something after all. How stupid, surely having police on the beat only bumps up the crime figures as they keep on arresting people and having to record the fact. Much better to have no police on the beat and no method of reporting crime, then the figures would look brilliant, 100% drop in reported crime and 100% drop in arrests! -- Clint Sharp |
The 24K police shower room saga
On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:16:49 +0000, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember Steve Firth saying something like: But the same lot have also spent a fecking fortune on installing a sunshade in the garden which they could have purchased from the most expensive supplier in Europe for about 1/10th of the price. http://www.northyorkshire.police.uk/...ess/canopy.htm ****'s sake. 7.5 grand for that? Ok, some of that will be labour, but really. The canopy is nothing more than a bit of tarp, a few poles and some guy wire - about 300quid max I would think. Of course, the designer/architect's fees on top - that would really inflate it. Not that there should be any such fee, because the shade is a standard off-the-peg item. In fact that particular one looks like a real rip-off, the ones I'm used to seeing are much larger, generally mounted on 14ft poles. Like these: http://www.unopiu.it/scheda.asp?cate...91&modello=391 |
The 24K police shower room saga
On 2006-12-13 21:02:53 +0000, Steve Firth said:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:16:49 +0000, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote: We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember Steve Firth saying something like: But the same lot have also spent a fecking fortune on installing a sunshade in the garden which they could have purchased from the most expensive supplier in Europe for about 1/10th of the price. http://www.northyorkshire.police.uk/...ess/canopy.htm ****'s sake. 7.5 grand for that? Ok, some of that will be labour, but really. The canopy is nothing more than a bit of tarp, a few poles and some guy wire - about 300quid max I would think. Of course, the designer/architect's fees on top - that would really inflate it. Not that there should be any such fee, because the shade is a standard off-the-peg item. In fact that particular one looks like a real rip-off, the ones I'm used to seeing are much larger, generally mounted on 14ft poles. Like these: http://www.unopiu.it/scheda.asp?cate...91&modello=391 Mmm... certainly it wasn't the canopy that had the 'grandi dimensioni' in the Yorkshire scene. |
The 24K police shower room saga
In message , Steve Firth
writes On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:30:57 +0000, Steven Briggs wrote: Some of you may remember a thread a month or two back about the Chief Constable of North Yorkshire spending £24000 on a refurb of the en-suite shower room to her office. Ah yes, terrible unforseen circumstances, etc, etc. But the same lot have also spent a fecking fortune on installing a sunshade in the garden which they could have purchased from the most expensive supplier in Europe for about 1/10th of the price. http://www.northyorkshire.police.uk/...ess/canopy.htm Oh look, it's the same Chief Constable posing in front of the errrm, thing. At least it gives a clue as to why she needs her own shower -- geoff |
The 24K police shower room saga
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember raden saying something like: Oh look, it's the same Chief Constable posing in front of the errrm, thing. At least it gives a clue as to why she needs her own shower Ooh, you're cruel. But funny. -- Dave |
The 24K police shower room saga
On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:28:09 +0000, Andy Hall wrote:
Not that there should be any such fee, because the shade is a standard off-the-peg item. In fact that particular one looks like a real rip-off, the ones I'm used to seeing are much larger, generally mounted on 14ft poles. Like these: http://www.unopiu.it/scheda.asp?cate...91&modello=391 Mmm... certainly it wasn't the canopy that had the 'grandi dimensioni' in the Yorkshire scene. Nope, and the CC would have to explain the price difference between about £1400 and the actual cost, which isn't stated but I think we can guarantee it will be more than £7500. Signs of North Yorks Plod financial mismanagement are that they really don't know what a job is going to cost. Something like this and the shower should be fixed price quotes, there should be no ambiguity. I'd like to know how long that deck lasts at Newby Wiske. I'll be astounded if it lasts longer than a couple of seasons. What was wrong, I wonder, with using yorkstone? |
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