http://www.otherpower.com/hamster.html

In message . com,
Staffbull writes
http://www.otherpower.com/hamster.html

The planet is saved

--
geoff

raden wrote:
In message . com,
Staffbull writes

http://www.otherpower.com/hamster.html

The planet is saved

IIRC the hamsters were rated at 6 LEDs, ie 6 x 20mA x 2v = 0.24 watts
each. Now if we can house 100 rats in a cage, and the rats put out 2x
as much as a hamster, that would get us 50w output, with garbage and
water for input. Additional free outputs would be dry turd for cooking
fuel and freshly dead meat for animal feed. Rats are nearly free, as it
costs very little to catch and breed them.

South Africa has average 50w electrical consumption per head, with
poorer countries having less. Houses and villages without electricity
are widespread. Scrap electrical equipment is abundant enough to
manufacture the equipment with no significant material cost. People in
poor areas could have 50w of electric light for the cost of assembling
the equipment plus giving the rats access to garbage. If using only 1w
LED reading lights, as the smaller solar power projects use, such a
setup could permit dozens of families to study and learn after sundown.
But the LEDs are not cheap. OTOH VFDs from videos and microwave are
scrap, and are fairly efficient and last decades. 3 of those makes
reading possible, and gives very dim room lighting. And they run direct
off low voltage, wanting typ 30v for anode and 2v for filament. 30v
power transmission on bell wire would be cheap and safe, and a small
transistor chopper could feed the filament with chopped 30v. The 3 wire
system much used in the 1930s would permit mixed 30/60v transmission,
with some houses getting +30 and some -30v, and reduce transmission
losses and cost.

Scaling things up, one roofed shelter 4m x 4m could house 6x 18" high
floors of rats, each 4mx4m in size. For want of any accurate figures
lets guesstimate at 20cm x 20cm per rat, giving 400 rats per floor or
2400 rats in the one shelter. This could generate 1.2kW, supplying a
whole village with basic lighting, and requiring customers to dump
their rubbish at the facility for the rats to sift and eat. It would
also be a rubbish disposal facility improving neighbourhood hygiene,
generate dry fuel, and rat meat.

If rats live 2 years average, we get a meat yield of 1200 rats per
year, or 3-4 per day. About enough to fed one cat.

Generators could be braked during hours when generation is not needed
to help ensure max output during the evenings. The question is would
customers pay enough to make it run financially.


NT

On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:15:35 GMT, raden wrote:

In message . com,
Staffbull writes
http://www.otherpower.com/hamster.html

The planet is saved

It all depends on the hamster's farting habits, doesn't it? If the
farts contain too much CO2, we're buggered, innit.

We have also to take into account the food miles involved in the
feeding of the pet. I have no idea what hamsters are fed on, possibly
greens - presumably these haven't got to be transported half way
around the Earth.

--
Frank Erskine
Sunderland

wrote:

If rats live 2 years average, we get a meat yield of 1200 rats per
year, or 3-4 per day. About enough to fed one cat.

So you have a Glorious Opportunity To Get Rich!!! -- Start a cat fur
farm ranch with 100,000 cats. Each cat will average 12 kittens a year.
The cat skins will sell for 30 pence each. One hundred men can skin
5,000 cats a day. So a daily net profit of over £10,000. Now what shall
we feed the cats? Put your rat farm next door with 1,000,000 rats. The
rats breed 12 times faster than the cats. So we will have four rats to
feed each day to each cat. Now what shall we feed the rats? We will feed
the rats the carcasses of the cats after they have been skinned. Now Get
This! We feed the rats to the cats and the cats to the rats and get the
cat skins for nothing!




(with appologies to the 131 year old business plan
http://www.snopes.com/critters/disposal/catrat.htm)

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John.

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Frank Erskine wrote:

On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:15:35 GMT, raden wrote:


In message . com,
Staffbull writes

http://www.otherpower.com/hamster.html


The planet is saved


It all depends on the hamster's farting habits, doesn't it? If the
farts contain too much CO2, we're buggered, innit.

Ah but the farts should be methane rich. So if you plumb the little
blighter in, you now have a new source of natural gas!



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John Rumm wrote:

This! We feed the rats to the cats and the cats to the rats and get the
cat skins for nothing!

(with appologies to the 131 year old business plan
http://www.snopes.com/critters/disposal/catrat.htm)

Yes, that classic all output no input engine. Using inputs that are
considered waste is the key.


NT

Staffbull wrote:
http://www.otherpower.com/hamster.html

Do you think I should market it infront of Alan Sugar ???

On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 00:09:34 +0100, Frank Erskine
wrote:

On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:15:35 GMT, raden wrote:

In message . com,
Staffbull writes
http://www.otherpower.com/hamster.html

The planet is saved

It all depends on the hamster's farting habits, doesn't it? If the
farts contain too much CO2, we're buggered, innit.

We have also to take into account the food miles involved in the
feeding of the pet. I have no idea what hamsters are fed on, possibly
greens - presumably these haven't got to be transported half way
around the Earth.

Was it on QI about kangeroos not farting and scientists looking at
some geen swapping...?
--
Get away from it all
http://www.travelfreebies.co.uk/thomson-holidays.htm
Late deals, mega cheap flights and bargains

mogga wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 00:09:34 +0100, Frank Erskine
wrote:

On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:15:35 GMT, raden wrote:

In message . com,
Staffbull writes
http://www.otherpower.com/hamster.html

The planet is saved

It all depends on the hamster's farting habits, doesn't it? If the
farts contain too much CO2, we're buggered, innit.

We have also to take into account the food miles involved in the
feeding of the pet. I have no idea what hamsters are fed on, possibly
greens - presumably these haven't got to be transported half way
around the Earth.

Was it on QI about kangeroos not farting and scientists looking at
some geen swapping...?
--
Get away from it all
http://www.travelfreebies.co.uk/thomson-holidays.htm
Late deals, mega cheap flights and bargains


Seems ironic, you are posting about roos not farting and advertising
cheap flights !! :-)
I wonder how many tonnes of co2 a 747 or 777 pump out on a cross
altalntic run ? and the A380 will be worse !!

On 12 Oct 2006 06:00:07 -0700, "Staffbull"
wrote:


Was it on QI about kangeroos not farting and scientists looking at
some geen swapping...?
--
Get away from it all
http://www.travelfreebies.co.uk/thomson-holidays.htm
Late deals, mega cheap flights and bargains


Seems ironic, you are posting about roos not farting and advertising
cheap flights !! :-)
I wonder how many tonnes of co2 a 747 or 777 pump out on a cross
altalntic run ? and the A380 will be worse !!

It probably is isn't it. I should have a different one at the moment
but agent seems to be having a dizzy turn about it at the moment.

Is that better?
--
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http://www.bingohoroscope.co.uk
http://www.simfreebies.co.uk

wrote:

raden wrote:
In message . com,
Staffbull writes

http://www.otherpower.com/hamster.html

The planet is saved


Scaling things up, one roofed shelter 4m x 4m could house 6x 18" high
floors of rats, each 4mx4m in size.

That's a big ****in' rat.

;-)

--
Steve F

Fitz wrote:
wrote:
raden wrote:
In message . com,
Staffbull writes

http://www.otherpower.com/hamster.html

The planet is saved

Scaling things up, one roofed shelter 4m x 4m could house 6x 18" high
floors of rats, each 4mx4m in size.

That's a big ****in' rat.

;-)

Heh. Maybe that what the labs will give us in 2050, the Power Rat, 500w
output.


NT

In message , Frank Erskine
writes
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:15:35 GMT, raden wrote:

In message . com,
Staffbull writes
http://www.otherpower.com/hamster.html

The planet is saved

It all depends on the hamster's farting habits, doesn't it? If the
farts contain too much CO2, we're buggered, innit.

Rather - methane, much worse for the ozone layer, but more useful as
fuel
(see discussion last week regarding cows)


We have also to take into account the food miles involved in the
feeding of the pet. I have no idea what hamsters are fed on, possibly
greens - presumably these haven't got to be transported half way
around the Earth.


--
geoff

In message , mogga
writes
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 00:09:34 +0100, Frank Erskine
wrote:

On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:15:35 GMT, raden wrote:

In message . com,
Staffbull writes
http://www.otherpower.com/hamster.html

The planet is saved

It all depends on the hamster's farting habits, doesn't it? If the
farts contain too much CO2, we're buggered, innit.

We have also to take into account the food miles involved in the
feeding of the pet. I have no idea what hamsters are fed on, possibly
greens - presumably these haven't got to be transported half way
around the Earth.

Was it on QI about kangeroos not farting and scientists looking at
some geen swapping...?

See my post on the cow debate

--
geoff

In message .com,
Staffbull writes

Staffbull wrote:
http://www.otherpower.com/hamster.html

Do you think I should market it infront of Alan Sugar ???

No wait your turn ...

--
geoff

wrote:
raden wrote:
In message . com,
Staffbull writes

http://www.otherpower.com/hamster.html

The planet is saved

IIRC the hamsters were rated at 6 LEDs, ie 6 x 20mA x 2v = 0.24 watts
each. Now if we can house 100 rats in a cage, and the rats put out 2x
as much as a hamster, that would get us 50w output, with garbage and
water for input. Additional free outputs would be dry turd for cooking
fuel and freshly dead meat for animal feed. Rats are nearly free, as it
costs very little to catch and breed them.

South Africa has average 50w electrical consumption per head, with
poorer countries having less. Houses and villages without electricity
are widespread. Scrap electrical equipment is abundant enough to
manufacture the equipment with no significant material cost. People in
poor areas could have 50w of electric light for the cost of assembling
the equipment plus giving the rats access to garbage. If using only 1w
LED reading lights, as the smaller solar power projects use, such a
setup could permit dozens of families to study and learn after sundown.
But the LEDs are not cheap. OTOH VFDs from videos and microwave are
scrap, and are fairly efficient and last decades. 3 of those makes
reading possible, and gives very dim room lighting. And they run direct
off low voltage, wanting typ 30v for anode and 2v for filament. 30v
power transmission on bell wire would be cheap and safe, and a small
transistor chopper could feed the filament with chopped 30v. The 3 wire
system much used in the 1930s would permit mixed 30/60v transmission,
with some houses getting +30 and some -30v, and reduce transmission
losses and cost.

Scaling things up, one roofed shelter 4m x 4m could house 6x 18" high
floors of rats, each 4mx4m in size. For want of any accurate figures
lets guesstimate at 20cm x 20cm per rat, giving 400 rats per floor or
2400 rats in the one shelter. This could generate 1.2kW, supplying a
whole village with basic lighting, and requiring customers to dump
their rubbish at the facility for the rats to sift and eat. It would
also be a rubbish disposal facility improving neighbourhood hygiene,
generate dry fuel, and rat meat.

If rats live 2 years average, we get a meat yield of 1200 rats per
year, or 3-4 per day. About enough to fed one cat.

Generators could be braked during hours when generation is not needed
to help ensure max output during the evenings. The question is would
customers pay enough to make it run financially.


NT


The experiment has been started, but using dogs due to higher expected
output power.
http://tinyurl.com/yfhxeh


NT