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OK, I'm a cheapskate. We have NTLs analogue service. I'm thinking of going
digital.

The TV reception around here isn't fantastic, but maybe I could go freeview
with a new ariel and perhaps a booster.

I'd be happy to go digital with NTL, but this is what bothers me: Currently
we have an analogue box that feeds our DVD recorder and then goes onto the
TV. If the NTL box is set to one channel (say ITV2), we can still pick up
terrestrial TV. If we wen't digital, we'd be stuck with a single TV source
wouldn't we? This would prevent us from recording one channel while watching
another.

I understand I could get a second set top box from NTL, but I really don't
fancy paying £15 a month for that.

What do people do?

Paul


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I understand I could get a second set top box from NTL, but I really
don't fancy paying £15 a month for that.

What do people do?

Paul


Stick with the basic 5 analogue channels on the TV.

Why waste money in watching 95% of stuff thats been on the TV already.

/looks at wallet...hmmm! still fat.


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OK, I'm a cheapskate. We have NTLs analogue service. I'm thinking of going
digital.

The TV reception around here isn't fantastic, but maybe I could go

freeview
with a new ariel and perhaps a booster.

I'd be happy to go digital with NTL, but this is what bothers me:

Currently
we have an analogue box that feeds our DVD recorder and then goes onto the
TV. If the NTL box is set to one channel (say ITV2), we can still pick up
terrestrial TV. If we wen't digital, we'd be stuck with a single TV source
wouldn't we? This would prevent us from recording one channel while

watching
another.

I understand I could get a second set top box from NTL, but I really don't
fancy paying £15 a month for that.

What do people do?

Paul



You will still get an analogue feed to the input of the digitalbox so just
tap off that for your DVD recorder as now. Use your tv to select from the
digi box, DVD output or the analogue feeds via the aerial socket for Ch 1 to
5.

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"Paul Andrews" wrote in message
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OK, I'm a cheapskate. We have NTLs analogue service. I'm thinking of
going
digital.

The TV reception around here isn't fantastic, but maybe I could go

freeview
with a new ariel and perhaps a booster.

I'd be happy to go digital with NTL, but this is what bothers me:

Currently
we have an analogue box that feeds our DVD recorder and then goes onto
the
TV. If the NTL box is set to one channel (say ITV2), we can still pick up
terrestrial TV. If we wen't digital, we'd be stuck with a single TV
source
wouldn't we? This would prevent us from recording one channel while

watching
another.

I understand I could get a second set top box from NTL, but I really
don't
fancy paying £15 a month for that.

What do people do?

Paul



You will still get an analogue feed to the input of the digitalbox so just
tap off that for your DVD recorder as now. Use your tv to select from the
digi box, DVD output or the analogue feeds via the aerial socket for Ch 1
to
5.

Bob


Thanks Bob, I didn't realise that there was still an analogue passthrough
of the terrestrial channels on the digital box.

Thank you.

Paul



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Thanks Bob, I didn't realise that there was still an analogue passthrough
of the terrestrial channels on the digital box.


Also, if you do go FreeView, then you just buy two boxes. They are down to
about 20-25 quid these days. No subscription. If you've got a bit of cash
replace the dinosaur VHS with a decent twin digital tuner PVR. Then you can
record two channels at once whilst watching a third (or playback a previous
programme whilst recording 1 or even 2 other channels).

We ditched our NTL a year ago and haven't looked back. You don't want to
stick with analogue. It has no widescreen, no BBC3, no BBC4 and will be
switched off soon. I can't believe NTL are still selling it. Sky stopped
years ago. Terrestrial analogue is on its last legs, thank god. It isn't
fair that Luddite analogue users get all the spectrum, meaning that many
people can't receive digital.

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Thanks Bob, I didn't realise that there was still an analogue passthrough
of the terrestrial channels on the digital box.


Also, if you do go FreeView, then you just buy two boxes. They are down to
about 20-25 quid these days. No subscription. If you've got a bit of cash
replace the dinosaur VHS with a decent twin digital tuner PVR. Then you can
record two channels at once whilst watching a third (or playback a previous
programme whilst recording 1 or even 2 other channels).

We ditched our NTL a year ago and haven't looked back. You don't want to
stick with analogue. It has no widescreen, no BBC3, no BBC4 and will be
switched off soon. I can't believe NTL are still selling it. Sky stopped
years ago. Terrestrial analogue is on its last legs, thank god. It isn't
fair that Luddite analogue users get all the spectrum, meaning that many
people can't receive digital.


And what's it been replaced by? Like DAB radio a crap digital system
that reduces the signal content by bit rate compression and adds in
artefacts of its own and sods up the colour rendering and produces
pictures inferior to the analogue system it replaces!.

Give me a few decent channels on analogue rather than all that digi crap
anyday!.....

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Thanks Bob, I didn't realise that there was still an analogue passthrough
of the terrestrial channels on the digital box.

Also, if you do go FreeView, then you just buy two boxes. They are down to
about 20-25 quid these days. No subscription. If you've got a bit of cash
replace the dinosaur VHS with a decent twin digital tuner PVR. Then you can
record two channels at once whilst watching a third (or playback a previous
programme whilst recording 1 or even 2 other channels).

We ditched our NTL a year ago and haven't looked back. You don't want to
stick with analogue. It has no widescreen, no BBC3, no BBC4 and will be
switched off soon. I can't believe NTL are still selling it. Sky stopped
years ago. Terrestrial analogue is on its last legs, thank god. It isn't
fair that Luddite analogue users get all the spectrum, meaning that many
people can't receive digital.


And what's it been replaced by? Like DAB radio a crap digital system
that reduces the signal content by bit rate compression and adds in
artefacts of its own and sods up the colour rendering and produces
pictures inferior to the analogue system it replaces!.


Sadly fairly true...

Give me a few decent channels on analogue rather than all that digi crap
anyday!.....


The trouble is, all the good stuff is on digital. The main channels are
now just sport, lowbrow quiz shows and soaps.

Its a rarity to actually watch one of the 3 main channels..channel 4 and
five are still not bad though..
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And what's it been replaced by? Like DAB radio a crap digital system
that reduces the signal content by bit rate compression and adds in
artefacts of its own and sods up the colour rendering and produces
pictures inferior to the analogue system it replaces!.


Actually, the analogue was also "compressed", producing its own artifacts,
which can actually be considerably more annoying. The bit rate compression
on the main channels isn't too severe. The artificats aren't usually too
bad. Obviously when you go to some minor channels, (i.e. BBC News 24), the
bit rate is much lower. But who cares?

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Christian McArdle wrote:
Thanks Bob, I didn't realise that there was still an analogue passthrough
of the terrestrial channels on the digital box.


Also, if you do go FreeView, then you just buy two boxes. They are down to
about 20-25 quid these days. No subscription. If you've got a bit of cash
replace the dinosaur VHS with a decent twin digital tuner PVR. Then you can
record two channels at once whilst watching a third (or playback a previous
programme whilst recording 1 or even 2 other channels).

We ditched our NTL a year ago and haven't looked back. You don't want to
stick with analogue. It has no widescreen, no BBC3, no BBC4 and will be
switched off soon. I can't believe NTL are still selling it. Sky stopped
years ago. Terrestrial analogue is on its last legs, thank god. It isn't
fair that Luddite analogue users get all the spectrum, meaning that many
people can't receive digital.

Christian.



I've just ditched NTL tv in favour of a £25 box from ASDA. Saves me £10
a month and is faster and easier than the jokey NTL interface.
My plan would be to try the ASDA box. If reception isn't good enough,
take it back for refund (only ASDA offer this IIRC) and then ring NTL
and tell them you're switching to freeview. They will almost certainly
offer you 6 months free
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Christian McArdle wrote:
Thanks Bob, I didn't realise that there was still an analogue
passthrough of the terrestrial channels on the digital box.


Also, if you do go FreeView, then you just buy two boxes. They are down
to about 20-25 quid these days. No subscription. If you've got a bit of
cash replace the dinosaur VHS with a decent twin digital tuner PVR. Then
you can record two channels at once whilst watching a third (or playback
a previous programme whilst recording 1 or even 2 other channels).

We ditched our NTL a year ago and haven't looked back. You don't want to
stick with analogue. It has no widescreen, no BBC3, no BBC4 and will be
switched off soon. I can't believe NTL are still selling it. Sky stopped
years ago. Terrestrial analogue is on its last legs, thank god. It isn't
fair that Luddite analogue users get all the spectrum, meaning that many
people can't receive digital.

Christian.



I've just ditched NTL tv in favour of a £25 box from ASDA. Saves me £10 a
month and is faster and easier than the jokey NTL interface.
My plan would be to try the ASDA box. If reception isn't good enough, take
it back for refund (only ASDA offer this IIRC) and then ring NTL and tell
them you're switching to freeview. They will almost certainly offer you 6
months free


When we moved into the house, the tv reception looked quite good. I
discovered the ariel was boosted. Later we went with NTL. On a boring old
set top ariel reception is pretty poor. The TV in the kitchen has very dodgy
reception. I could go for a new ariel and boost that but I'm wary of going
to a lot of expense and hassle to find freeview just isn't doing it for us.
Maybe I need to ask the neighbours!

Paul




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And what's it been replaced by? Like DAB radio a crap digital system
that reduces the signal content by bit rate compression and adds in
artefacts of its own and sods up the colour rendering and produces
pictures inferior to the analogue system it replaces!.


Actually, the analogue was also "compressed",


Hokum, analogue isn't compressed at all it uses a lesser rate of chroma
but all in all its quality is superior to DTV as is in this country like
FM radio is to DAB.

producing its own artifacts,
which can actually be considerably more annoying.


Like what line crawl which can be taken out with a good PAL decoder?..

The bit rate compression
on the main channels isn't too severe.


Its severe enough.

The artificats aren't usually too
bad. Obviously when you go to some minor channels, (i.e. BBC News 24), the
bit rate is much lower. But who cares?


Precisely who gives a feck?, perhaps thats why we get what we deserve

Christian.



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Christian McArdle wrote:
Thanks Bob, I didn't realise that there was still an analogue
passthrough of the terrestrial channels on the digital box.

Also, if you do go FreeView, then you just buy two boxes. They are down
to about 20-25 quid these days. No subscription. If you've got a bit of
cash replace the dinosaur VHS with a decent twin digital tuner PVR. Then
you can record two channels at once whilst watching a third (or playback
a previous programme whilst recording 1 or even 2 other channels).

We ditched our NTL a year ago and haven't looked back. You don't want to
stick with analogue. It has no widescreen, no BBC3, no BBC4 and will be
switched off soon. I can't believe NTL are still selling it. Sky stopped
years ago. Terrestrial analogue is on its last legs, thank god. It isn't
fair that Luddite analogue users get all the spectrum, meaning that many
people can't receive digital.

Christian.



I've just ditched NTL tv in favour of a £25 box from ASDA. Saves me £10 a
month and is faster and easier than the jokey NTL interface.
My plan would be to try the ASDA box. If reception isn't good enough, take
it back for refund (only ASDA offer this IIRC) and then ring NTL and tell
them you're switching to freeview. They will almost certainly offer you 6
months free


When we moved into the house, the tv reception looked quite good. I
discovered the ariel was boosted. Later we went with NTL. On a boring old
set top ariel reception is pretty poor. The TV in the kitchen has very dodgy
reception. I could go for a new ariel and boost that but I'm wary of going
to a lot of expense and hassle to find freeview just isn't doing it for us.
Maybe I need to ask the neighbours!


You should be able to feed the old arial into the back of your NTL box.
Ours feeds into our Telewest box and works just fine, except the pigeons
roosting in the arial have loosened the plate at right angles and in a
strong wind there are some artefacts on the analogue channels, and I
don't much like heights (its on the chimney, two stories plus the attic
up).

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When we moved into the house, the tv reception looked quite good. I
discovered the ariel was boosted. Later we went with NTL. On a boring old
set top ariel reception is pretty poor. The TV in the kitchen has very dodgy
reception. I could go for a new ariel and boost that but I'm wary of going
to a lot of expense and hassle to find freeview just isn't doing it for us.
Maybe I need to ask the neighbours!


You should be able to feed the old arial into the back of your NTL box.
Ours feeds into our Telewest box and works just fine, except the pigeons
roosting in the arial have loosened the plate at right angles and in a
strong wind there are some artefacts on the analogue channels, and I
don't much like heights (its on the chimney, two stories plus the attic
up).

Can't anyone spell aerial? :-)

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Paul Andrews wrote:
When we moved into the house, the tv reception looked quite good. I
discovered the ariel was boosted. Later we went with NTL. On a boring old
set top ariel reception is pretty poor. The TV in the kitchen has very
dodgy
reception. I could go for a new ariel and boost that but I'm wary of
going
to a lot of expense and hassle to find freeview just isn't doing it for
us.
Maybe I need to ask the neighbours!


You should be able to feed the old arial into the back of your NTL box.
Ours feeds into our Telewest box and works just fine, except the pigeons
roosting in the arial have loosened the plate at right angles and in a
strong wind there are some artefacts on the analogue channels, and I
don't much like heights (its on the chimney, two stories plus the attic
up).


The amplifier was in the living room. Some of the bedrooms had TV cables
running into them from the loft. The didn't seem to really work well. On
investigation I found the ariel fed a splitter to which these other cables
were connected. It looked as though the splitter should be powered, but it
wasn't. I've disconnected the splitter and just have a single feed from the
ariel into one room.

Maybe I should check out a booster/splitter for the loft, though I wouldn't
want it bursting into flames..

Paul

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OK, I'm a cheapskate. We have NTLs analogue service. I'm thinking of going
digital.

The TV reception around here isn't fantastic, but maybe I could go freeview
with a new ariel and perhaps a booster.

I'd be happy to go digital with NTL


Go find a neighbour that has it and ask what it is like. Sky have done
more business from areas switched from analogue to digital, than they
dreamed of.


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Go find a neighbour that has it and ask what it is like. Sky have done
more business from areas switched from analogue to digital, than they
dreamed of.


Yes, that was the other reason we switched from NTL. The boxes are
appalling. It takes about 2 seconds to change channel, even on the programme
guide. It takes almost half an hour to flick through. When I press "up" or
"down", I expect it to respond now, not in 2 seconds. Completely
unacceptable.

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Christian McArdle wrote:
Go find a neighbour that has it and ask what it is like. Sky have done
more business from areas switched from analogue to digital, than they
dreamed of.


Yes, that was the other reason we switched from NTL. The boxes are
appalling. It takes about 2 seconds to change channel, even on the programme
guide. It takes almost half an hour to flick through. When I press "up" or
"down", I expect it to respond now, not in 2 seconds. Completely
unacceptable.


Thats my experience of my Brothers NTL cable. The box is just awful,
really slow and locks up all the time. I bought a TV with an
integrated Digital tuner recently and thats far better than either his
NTL or my old OnDigital pioneer tuner.

Its a Pioneer telly and the EPG and on screen info are both lag free,
much better than anything else I've used, the digital text seems better
than on my old box but still far inferior to teletext in terms of
speed. (Same with picture quality of digital terestrial imho)

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Christian McArdle wrote:
Go find a neighbour that has it and ask what it is like. Sky have done
more business from areas switched from analogue to digital, than they
dreamed of.


Yes, that was the other reason we switched from NTL. The boxes are
appalling. It takes about 2 seconds to change channel, even on the programme
guide. It takes almost half an hour to flick through. When I press "up" or
"down", I expect it to respond now, not in 2 seconds. Completely
unacceptable.


Thats my experience of my Brothers NTL cable. The box is just awful,
really slow and locks up all the time. I bought a TV with an
integrated Digital tuner recently and thats far better than either his
NTL or my old OnDigital pioneer tuner.

Its a Pioneer telly and the EPG and on screen info are both lag free,
much better than anything else I've used, the digital text seems better
than on my old box but still far inferior to teletext in terms of
speed. (Same with picture quality of digital terestrial imho)


My new Toshiba 32 inch is like that. The built in freeview box, even
knows we have an empty card slot and does not show those daft Topup
channels, so i don't have to delete the damn things from the list. It
also announces new channels automatically. The speed of working is far
better than a seperate box, it is like analogue channel changing.
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Paul Andrews wrote:
When we moved into the house, the tv reception looked quite good. I
discovered the ariel was boosted. Later we went with NTL. On a boring old
set top ariel reception is pretty poor. The TV in the kitchen has very
dodgy
reception. I could go for a new ariel and boost that but I'm wary of
going
to a lot of expense and hassle to find freeview just isn't doing it for
us.
Maybe I need to ask the neighbours!


You should be able to feed the old arial into the back of your NTL box.
Ours feeds into our Telewest box and works just fine, except the pigeons
roosting in the arial have loosened the plate at right angles and in a
strong wind there are some artefacts on the analogue channels, and I
don't much like heights (its on the chimney, two stories plus the attic
up).


The amplifier was in the living room. Some of the bedrooms had TV cables
running into them from the loft. The didn't seem to really work well. On
investigation I found the ariel fed a splitter to which these other cables
were connected. It looked as though the splitter should be powered, but it
wasn't. I've disconnected the splitter and just have a single feed from the
ariel into one room.

Maybe I should check out a booster/splitter for the loft, though I wouldn't
want it bursting into flames..


Oh the joys of taking over a house replete with yesterday's technology.
We have a cable that obviously used to connect a Sky dish that runs from
the back of the house, over the roof and down to the front corner of the
lounge. It bangs in some high winds. One day I might get around to
removing it...

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Chris wrote:
Yes, that was the other reason we switched from NTL. The boxes are
appalling. It takes about 2 seconds to change channel, even on the programme
guide. It takes almost half an hour to flick through. When I press "up" or
"down", I expect it to respond now, not in 2 seconds. Completely
unacceptable.


Thats my experience of my Brothers NTL cable. The box is just awful,
really slow and locks up all the time. I bought a TV with an
integrated Digital tuner recently and thats far better than either his
NTL or my old OnDigital pioneer tuner.


It never was great but NTL is really slow since they "upgraded" the
service which as far as I can tell just reset my channel order. NTL
are very much a "take your money then tell you to sod off" kind of
company.

The other thing that I get is 1 second blackouts on the TV during most
shows.



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Thanks Bob, I didn't realise that there was still an analogue passthrough
of the terrestrial channels on the digital box.


Also, if you do go FreeView, then you just buy two boxes. They are down to
about 20-25 quid these days. No subscription. If you've got a bit of cash
replace the dinosaur VHS with a decent twin digital tuner PVR.


HDD/DVD

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Go find a neighbour that has it and ask what it is like. Sky have done
more business from areas switched from analogue to digital, than they
dreamed of.


Yes, that was the other reason we switched from NTL. The boxes are
appalling. It takes about 2 seconds to change channel, even on the programme
guide. It takes almost half an hour to flick through. When I press "up" or
"down", I expect it to respond now, not in 2 seconds. Completely
unacceptable.

The other problem with my NTL box is that it can lose channel or sound

which is extremely annoying if you go away and set the HDD/DVD to record
something on BBC4 and all you get is a blank black screen

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"Paul Andrews" wrote in message
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OK, I'm a cheapskate. We have NTLs analogue service. I'm thinking of
going
digital.

The TV reception around here isn't fantastic, but maybe I could go

freeview
with a new ariel and perhaps a booster.

I'd be happy to go digital with NTL, but this is what bothers me:

Currently
we have an analogue box that feeds our DVD recorder and then goes onto
the
TV. If the NTL box is set to one channel (say ITV2), we can still pick

up
terrestrial TV. If we wen't digital, we'd be stuck with a single TV
source
wouldn't we? This would prevent us from recording one channel while

watching
another.

I understand I could get a second set top box from NTL, but I really
don't
fancy paying £15 a month for that.

What do people do?

Paul



You will still get an analogue feed to the input of the digitalbox so

just
tap off that for your DVD recorder as now. Use your tv to select from

the
digi box, DVD output or the analogue feeds via the aerial socket for Ch

1
to
5.

Bob


Thanks Bob, I didn't realise that there was still an analogue passthrough
of the terrestrial channels on the digital box.

Thank you.

Paul




Paul, I don't have NTL digital but I don't think they have pass thru of the
UHF signal.You will need a splitter (maplin have them) in the UHF feed into
the digibox to tap off an analogue feed to your TV.

hth

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If you've got a bit of cash replace the dinosaur VHS with a decent twin
digital tuner PVR.


HDD/DVD

perleeeeze


Last time I looked, I couldn't find a twin tuner Freeview PVR with a DVD
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If you've got a bit of cash replace the dinosaur VHS with a decent twin
digital tuner PVR.


HDD/DVD

perleeeeze


Last time I looked, I couldn't find a twin tuner Freeview PVR with a DVD
built in. Are you saying there are some these days?

I did think they were available by now, maybe not

I'd stick to a discrete freeview box, they seem so unreliable that if
the freeview bit died, you have a problem with the whole device


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I'd stick to a discrete freeview box, they seem so unreliable that if the
freeview bit died, you have a problem with the whole device


But without the Freeview built in, you'd be in trouble to start with. I
can't be bothered to programme both a Freeview box AND the PVR to record at
the same time. I would want to do it on one box and forget it.

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I'd stick to a discrete freeview box, they seem so unreliable that if the
freeview bit died, you have a problem with the whole device


But without the Freeview built in, you'd be in trouble to start with. I
can't be bothered to programme both a Freeview box AND the PVR to record at
the same time. I would want to do it on one box and forget it.

The bottom line for me is that they are both inherently unreliable
devices

I have had my money back on one HDD/DVD player, and both the (Panasonic)
ones I have, have both developed faults within the 12 month warranty
period, I've had 3 freeview boxes replaced

put the two together and you have a significantly elevated probability
of failure

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I have had my money back on one HDD/DVD player, and both the (Panasonic)
ones I have, have both developed faults within the 12 month warranty
period, I've had 3 freeview boxes replaced


Bizarre. I've never had any audio visual consumer electronics go wrong,
except tape transport mechanisms (i.e. VHS/cassette).

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Stick with the basic 5 analogue channels on the TV.


Why waste money in watching 95% of stuff thats been on the TV already.


You've seen *everything* that's been on TV first time around?

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Christian McArdle wrote:
Thanks Bob, I didn't realise that there was still an analogue

passthrough
of the terrestrial channels on the digital box.


Also, if you do go FreeView, then you just buy two boxes. They are down

to
about 20-25 quid these days. No subscription. If you've got a bit of

cash
replace the dinosaur VHS with a decent twin digital tuner PVR. Then you

can
record two channels at once whilst watching a third (or playback a

previous
programme whilst recording 1 or even 2 other channels).

We ditched our NTL a year ago and haven't looked back. You don't want to
stick with analogue. It has no widescreen, no BBC3, no BBC4 and will be
switched off soon. I can't believe NTL are still selling it. Sky stopped
years ago. Terrestrial analogue is on its last legs, thank god. It isn't
fair that Luddite analogue users get all the spectrum, meaning that many
people can't receive digital.

Christian.



I've just ditched NTL tv in favour of a £25 box from ASDA. Saves me £10
a month and is faster and easier than the jokey NTL interface.
My plan would be to try the ASDA box. If reception isn't good enough,
take it back for refund (only ASDA offer this IIRC) and then ring NTL
and tell them you're switching to freeview. They will almost certainly
offer you 6 months free


Here's an update. Currently have ariel just sitting in our loft and the
freeview box is working reasonably well. The ariel definitely needs to be
resited or put on the roof (wife currently isn't too happy with me going up
onto the roof). Since my wife is a teacher, one of the plusses was that she
might manage to watch "teacher tv". I'm a bit miffed that while teacher TV
features in the freeview channels, on freeview it's restricted to three
hours a day.

Anyway, trial in progress!

Paul


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