On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:16:02 GMT, dave wrote:


|AFAIK these meter readers don't work for the elec co as such but some
|"Independent" outfit. Otherwise I be changing supply right now. I just wish
|there was some way I could complain about this bloke. I pity the treatment the
|more vulnerable people his visits get.

The *general* problem is that everything is now subcontracted from company
A to Company B to Company C, so nobody knows if the job they purport to be
doing is Kosher or not. Worse it is an absolute doddle to print out a
realistic looking ID card on the little printer I have at my elbow and
laminate it with the tiny laminator on the shelf within arms length.

Perhaps we should refuse to allow them access.

BTW I saw a nondescript van with a name I had never heard doing something
with the fire hydrant in our Grove, and wondered if it could be a terrorist
attack. Perhaps I should have kicked up a fuss.

Unfortunately although over 70 no one could call me vulnerable.
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from Dave Fawthrop contains these words:

Worse it is an absolute doddle to print out a
realistic looking ID card on the little printer I have at my elbow and
laminate it with the tiny laminator on the shelf within arms length.

I got in and out of deBeers in Hatton Garden many times when I worked
for Rediffusion with a home-made ID card based on a Rediffusion business
card tarted up with Letraset (this was before decent printers). The ****
only hit the fan when I was finally issued with a proper card and tried
to use it.

Worked for the Officers' Mess at Woolwich Arsenal, too. Security there
was risible - while the IRA were blowing things up they made a big show
of inspecting the underside of my estate Astra with a mirror on a stick
but didn't look in any of the large carboard boxes that filled the rear.

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On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:14:02 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
wrote:

snipped .....

BTW I saw a nondescript van with a name I had never heard doing something
with the fire hydrant in our Grove, and wondered if it could be a terrorist
attack. Perhaps I should have kicked up a fuss.



You serious ......??????????????

On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:21:00 +0100, Stuart
wrote:

|On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:14:02 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
wrote:
|
|snipped .....
|
|BTW I saw a nondescript van with a name I had never heard doing something
|with the fire hydrant in our Grove, and wondered if it could be a terrorist
|attack. Perhaps I should have kicked up a fuss.
|
|
|
|You serious ......??????????????

Contamination of water supply would be an easy thing to do and could kill
lots of people. Camelford springs to mind
http://www.waterquality.crc.org.au/hsarch/HS25b.htm
and *that* was a contractor.
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On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:50:10 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
wrote:

On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:21:00 +0100, Stuart
wrote:

|On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:14:02 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
wrote:
|
|snipped .....
|
|BTW I saw a nondescript van with a name I had never heard doing something
|with the fire hydrant in our Grove, and wondered if it could be a terrorist
|attack. Perhaps I should have kicked up a fuss.
|
|
|
|You serious ......??????????????

Contamination of water supply would be an easy thing to do and could kill
lots of people. Camelford springs to mind
http://www.waterquality.crc.org.au/hsarch/HS25b.htm
and *that* was a contractor.

I suppose this is all part of what happens when you get
"terrorism,terrorsim,terrorism" threats shoved down your throat by this
Government at every opportunity ...

I read of an incident yesterday about a taxi driver who was enlisted by PC World
in Glasgow to take a parcel to the local main bus station for transportation by
bus complete with documentation but the driver refused to take it and it is
said his reason was because the taxi driver was Asian .


Stuart

On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 11:17:34 +0100, Stuart
wrote:

|On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:50:10 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
wrote:
|
|On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:21:00 +0100, Stuart
wrote:
|
||On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:14:02 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
wrote:
||
||snipped .....
||
||BTW I saw a nondescript van with a name I had never heard doing something
||with the fire hydrant in our Grove, and wondered if it could be a terrorist
||attack. Perhaps I should have kicked up a fuss.
||
||
||
||You serious ......??????????????
|
|Contamination of water supply would be an easy thing to do and could kill
|lots of people. Camelford springs to mind
|http://www.waterquality.crc.org.au/hsarch/HS25b.htm
|and *that* was a contractor.
|
|I suppose this is all part of what happens when you get
|"terrorism,terrorsim,terrorism" threats shoved down your throat by this
|Government at every opportunity ...

Terrorists killed 52 people on the London Transport systems, and injured
*many* others some seriously. Not to mention Bali and many other atrocities
worldwide.
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On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 11:50:05 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
wrote:

snipped ....
|
|I suppose this is all part of what happens when you get
|"terrorism,terrorsim,terrorism" threats shoved down your throat by this
|Government at every opportunity ...

Terrorists killed 52 people on the London Transport systems, and injured
*many* others some seriously. Not to mention Bali and many other atrocities
worldwide.

I am well aware of that .It doesn't mean you need to "see" terrorism round every
corner .

The message
from Dave Fawthrop contains these words:

Contamination of water supply would be an easy thing to do and could kill
lots of people. Camelford springs to mind
http://www.waterquality.crc.org.au/hsarch/HS25b.htm
and *that* was a contractor.

Not helped by the "helpline" saying "It's perfectly OK, keep drinking it".

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Terrorists killed 52 people on the London Transport systems, and injured
*many* others some seriously. Not to mention Bali and many other atrocities
worldwide.

The yanks managed 3000+ with their controlled demolition of the WTC

On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:40:13 +0100, Colin Wilson
wrote:

| Terrorists killed 52 people on the London Transport systems, and injured
| *many* others some seriously. Not to mention Bali and many other atrocities
| worldwide.
|
|The yanks managed 3000+ with their controlled demolition of the WTC

Now "yanks" is a new misspelling of "Al Qaeda"
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|The yanks managed 3000+ with their controlled demolition of the WTC
Now "yanks" is a new misspelling of "Al Qaeda"

Ahh, you mean "the list" - the list with everyone the US had funded for
armed uprising, and since renamed "al qaeda" ?

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On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:16:02 GMT, dave wrote:


|AFAIK these meter readers don't work for the elec co as such but some
|"Independent" outfit. Otherwise I be changing supply right now. I just
wish
|there was some way I could complain about this bloke. I pity the
treatment the
|more vulnerable people his visits get.

The *general* problem is that everything is now subcontracted from company
A to Company B to Company C, so nobody knows if the job they purport to be
doing is Kosher or not. Worse it is an absolute doddle to print out a
realistic looking ID card on the little printer I have at my elbow and
laminate it with the tiny laminator on the shelf within arms length.


Perhaps we should refuse to allow them access.

I've been getting too many "estimated" electricity meter readings; and I've
actually threatened (half seriously) not to let some of the meter readers
in. This meter reading business seems to be a bit of a scam.

Sylvain.

BTW I saw a nondescript van with a name I had never heard doing something
with the fire hydrant in our Grove, and wondered if it could be a
terrorist
attack. Perhaps I should have kicked up a fuss.

Unfortunately although over 70 no one could call me vulnerable.
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On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 11:50:05 +0100 someone who may be Dave Fawthrop
wrote this:-

Terrorists killed 52 people on the London Transport systems, and injured
*many* others some seriously.

As a quick reality check on the activities of the Westminster
government and much of the mass media, both of which are very keen
on hyping the activities of some criminals in various ways, in 2005
motorists killed around 3000 people on the UK road system and
injured *many* others, some seriously.


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On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 12:05:31 +0100, David Hansen
wrote:

|On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 11:50:05 +0100 someone who may be Dave Fawthrop
wrote this:-
|
|Terrorists killed 52 people on the London Transport systems, and injured
|*many* others some seriously.
|
|As a quick reality check on the activities of the Westminster
|government and much of the mass media, both of which are very keen
|on hyping the activities of some criminals in various ways, in 2005
|motorists killed around 3000 people on the UK road system and
|injured *many* others, some seriously.

And all governments have done a lot about reducing that as well.
Enforcing speed limits, putting in traffic calming measures and improving
the treatment of victims, to name but a few.
When I first noticed that statistic we were killing 22 people per day, and
it is now below 10.
Something *all* governments rightly do well.


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On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 11:48:50 UTC, Dave Fawthrop
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And all governments have done a lot about reducing that as well.
Enforcing speed limits

To make money.

putting in traffic calming measures

Which can have a negative impact on road safety

and improving the treatment of victims

Closing A&E departments.

Yes.

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On 17 Sep 2006 12:03:22 GMT, "Bob Eager" wrote:

|On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 11:48:50 UTC, Dave Fawthrop
wrote:
|
| And all governments have done a lot about reducing that as well.
| Enforcing speed limits
|
|To make money.

It actually saves lives
|
| putting in traffic calming measures
|
|Which can have a negative impact on road safety

Which save lives

| and improving the treatment of victims
|
|Closing A&E departments.
|
|Yes.

Have you been in an A&E dept lately?
All high tech in order to save more lives.

You snipped the reduction in death rates from 22 to less than 10 in my
memory. while traffic has increased massively.
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On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 12:48:50 +0100 someone who may be Dave Fawthrop
wrote this:-

And all governments have done a lot about reducing that as well.

There is a very long way to go before those killed by motorists are
of the same order of magnitude as those killed by those criminals
who happen to be called terrorists by some.


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On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 12:41:45 UTC, Dave Fawthrop
wrote:

| and improving the treatment of victims
|
|Closing A&E departments.
|
Have you been in an A&E dept lately?
All high tech in order to save more lives.

Except that it's now twice as far to travel..costing some lives.
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On 17 Sep 2006 14:18:35 GMT someone who may be "Bob Eager"
wrote this:-

Have you been in an A&E dept lately?
All high tech in order to save more lives.

Except that it's now twice as far to travel..costing some lives.

A difficult one to answer. It might be that better staffed A&E
departments are not simply the wet dream of producer interests, but
do save lives despite the extra distances involved. I'm not
convinced at the moment though, in much the same way as I'm not
convinced that large control rooms without local knowledge are a
step forward.

What is clear is that a lot of "road safety" improvements are
nothing of the sort, but are rather improvements made by the medical
mob.


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On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 13:41:45 +0100, Dave Fawthrop wrote:

Have you been in an A&E dept lately?
All high tech in order to save more lives.

If you actually arrive at A&E alive enough to be saved. Our nearest A&E
is the best part of 30 miles away and the other side of a city. An hour
or more in the back of an ambulance. Anything serious requires the use of
the *charity* funded Air Ambulance.

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On 2006-09-17 13:41:45 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
said:

On 17 Sep 2006 12:03:22 GMT, "Bob Eager" wrote:

|Closing A&E departments.
|
|Yes.

Have you been in an A&E dept lately?

Yes. Disastrous experience that I would not care to repeat.


All high tech in order to save more lives.

To a point, but service and environment exceeded in the third world.
Not at all impressive.

On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 17:57:40 +0100, Andy Hall wrote:

|On 2006-09-17 13:41:45 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
said:
|
| On 17 Sep 2006 12:03:22 GMT, "Bob Eager" wrote:
|
| |Closing A&E departments.
| |
| |Yes.
|
| Have you been in an A&E dept lately?
|
|Yes. Disastrous experience that I would not care to repeat.
|
|
| All high tech in order to save more lives.
|
|To a point, but service and environment exceeded in the third world.
|Not at all impressive.

Having availed myself of A&E services twice this year, I had absolutely
excellent service. Ambulance Service was top notch a well. Neither
could have been bettered :-)

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On 2006-09-17 18:56:34 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
said:

On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 17:57:40 +0100, Andy Hall wrote:

|On 2006-09-17 13:41:45 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
said:
|
| On 17 Sep 2006 12:03:22 GMT, "Bob Eager" wrote:
| | |Closing A&E departments.
| |
| |Yes.
| | Have you been in an A&E dept lately?
|
|Yes. Disastrous experience that I would not care to repeat.
|
|
| All high tech in order to save more lives.
|
|To a point, but service and environment exceeded in the third world.
|Not at all impressive.

Having availed myself of A&E services twice this year, I had absolutely
excellent service. Ambulance Service was top notch a well. Neither
could have been bettered :-)

I guess that you haven't been around much....

On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 19:19:15 +0100, Andy Hall wrote:

|On 2006-09-17 18:56:34 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
said:
|
| On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 17:57:40 +0100, Andy Hall wrote:
|
| |On 2006-09-17 13:41:45 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
| said:
| |
| | On 17 Sep 2006 12:03:22 GMT, "Bob Eager" wrote:
| | | |Closing A&E departments.
| | |
| | |Yes.
| | | Have you been in an A&E dept lately?
| |
| |Yes. Disastrous experience that I would not care to repeat.
| |
| |
| | All high tech in order to save more lives.
| |
| |To a point, but service and environment exceeded in the third world.
| |Not at all impressive.
|
| Having availed myself of A&E services twice this year, I had absolutely
| excellent service. Ambulance Service was top notch a well. Neither
| could have been bettered :-)
|
|I guess that you haven't been around much....

Only 70 years ;-)

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On 2006-09-17 20:50:41 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
said:

On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 19:19:15 +0100, Andy Hall wrote:

|On 2006-09-17 18:56:34 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
said:
|
| On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 17:57:40 +0100, Andy Hall wrote:
| | |On 2006-09-17 13:41:45 +0100, Dave Fawthrop |
said:
| |
| | On 17 Sep 2006 12:03:22 GMT, "Bob Eager" wrote:
| | | |Closing A&E departments.
| | |
| | |Yes.
| | | Have you been in an A&E dept lately?
| |
| |Yes. Disastrous experience that I would not care to repeat.
| |
| |
| | All high tech in order to save more lives.
| |
| |To a point, but service and environment exceeded in the third world.
| |Not at all impressive.
| | Having availed myself of A&E services twice this year, I had absolutely
| excellent service. Ambulance Service was top notch a well. Neither
| could have been bettered :-)
|
|I guess that you haven't been around much....

Only 70 years ;-)

Watch out for the next ones....


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