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This one should raise an eyebrow or two, and some vexed responses...

I have a crown of the common type that is basically an artificial
(ceramic) tooth with a metal rod extending from the top, which is
glued directly into a hole in my skull. These come loose every so
often, and one generally then goes to the dentist who applies some
kind of adhesive to the metal rod and shoves it back in. All done in a
jiffy. In fact, it's such a simple operation that if I had some
suitable adhesive, I might do it myself, and save myself a trip to the
dentist and a £30 bill! Anyone know what kind of adhesive to use? I
reckon superglue would be too quick-setting; you need a few seconds to
make fine adjustments before the glue sets...

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This one should raise an eyebrow or two, and some vexed responses...

I have a crown of the common type that is basically an artificial
(ceramic) tooth with a metal rod extending from the top, which is
glued directly into a hole in my skull. These come loose every so
often, and one generally then goes to the dentist who applies some
kind of adhesive to the metal rod and shoves it back in. All done in a
jiffy. In fact, it's such a simple operation that if I had some
suitable adhesive, I might do it myself, and save myself a trip to the
dentist and a £30 bill! Anyone know what kind of adhesive to use? I
reckon superglue would be too quick-setting; you need a few seconds to
make fine adjustments before the glue sets...


Don't use any resin etc glues, they don't work and you might poison
yourself.

Use a dental cement which you can obtain very cheaply in the form of a
dental repair kit.

http://www.expresschemist.co.uk/cate...dentistry.html


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Drake (formerly Jake D) wrote:
This one should raise an eyebrow or two, and some vexed responses...

I have a crown of the common type that is basically an artificial
(ceramic) tooth with a metal rod extending from the top, which is
glued directly into a hole in my skull. These come loose every so
often, and one generally then goes to the dentist who applies some
kind of adhesive to the metal rod and shoves it back in. All done in a
jiffy. In fact, it's such a simple operation that if I had some
suitable adhesive, I might do it myself, and save myself a trip to the
dentist and a £30 bill! Anyone know what kind of adhesive to use? I
reckon superglue would be too quick-setting; you need a few seconds to
make fine adjustments before the glue sets...

Drake


This reminds me of the person who was having a jaw tumour removed where
he had fixed his own tooth with epoxy resin. Some things arent worth
saving £30 on!


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Use a dental cement which you can obtain very cheaply in the form of a
dental repair kit.
http://www.expresschemist.co.uk/cate...dentistry.html


It does make you wonder about the cost of professional dentistry in this
country...
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Use a dental cement which you can obtain very cheaply in the form of a
dental repair kit.

http://www.expresschemist.co.uk/cate...dentistry.html


Thank you. That looks worth a try.

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Drake (formerly Jake D) wrote:
This one should raise an eyebrow or two, and some vexed responses...

I have a crown of the common type that is basically an artificial
(ceramic) tooth with a metal rod extending from the top, which is
glued directly into a hole in my skull. These come loose every so
often, and one generally then goes to the dentist who applies some
kind of adhesive to the metal rod and shoves it back in. All done in a
jiffy. In fact, it's such a simple operation that if I had some
suitable adhesive, I might do it myself, and save myself a trip to the
dentist and a £30 bill! Anyone know what kind of adhesive to use? I
reckon superglue would be too quick-setting; you need a few seconds to
make fine adjustments before the glue sets...


How much of the £30 goes on the subsequent check that your bite is still OK?

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I have a crown of the common type that is basically an artificial
(ceramic) tooth with a metal rod extending from the top, which is
glued directly into a hole in my skull.


A more accurate description:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_%28dentistry%29

These come loose every so
often, and one generally then goes to the dentist who applies some
kind of adhesive to the metal rod and shoves it back in.


My dentist prefers to use gold crowns/inlays and uses Fuji 9 as cement
(an extremely tough cavity filling material)

http://www.gceurope.com/en/products/detail.php?id=4

But what the heck - why not try making up your own mercury amalgam.

More seriously, if your crowns detach regularly it may be about how
well made the crown is (fit), the quality of the bonding material - or
the skill of your dentist. You probably get what you pay for.

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On 2006-08-11 07:46:25 +0100, Douglas de Lacey said:

Drake (formerly Jake D) wrote:
This one should raise an eyebrow or two, and some vexed responses...

I have a crown of the common type that is basically an artificial
(ceramic) tooth with a metal rod extending from the top, which is
glued directly into a hole in my skull. These come loose every so
often, and one generally then goes to the dentist who applies some
kind of adhesive to the metal rod and shoves it back in. All done in a
jiffy. In fact, it's such a simple operation that if I had some
suitable adhesive, I might do it myself, and save myself a trip to the
dentist and a £30 bill! Anyone know what kind of adhesive to use? I
reckon superglue would be too quick-setting; you need a few seconds to
make fine adjustments before the glue sets...


How much of the £30 goes on the subsequent check that your bite is still OK?

Douglas de Lacey


Quite. £30 is a very reasonable charge for the job. However, I
would be asking the dentist why the crown isn't bonding properly.


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I have a crown of the common type that is basically an artificial
(ceramic) tooth with a metal rod extending from the top, which is
glued directly into a hole in my skull.


I'm no expert, but I really don't think it's glued into a hole in your
skull. The metal post probably goes into a hole in (what's left of) your
tooth. The next most common situation is for a metal "implant" to be
screwed into your jaw, with an artificial crown later cemented onto it.

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Teeth are something where it makes no sense to economise on treatment
- assuming one wants to keep functional ones of one's own.


Awwwh - don't discourage the OP.

I sense a Darwin award coming his way.



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Use a dental cement which you can obtain very cheaply in the form of a
dental repair kit.


http://www.expresschemist.co.uk/cate...dentistry.html


This is not the same stuff as the dentist uses and only provides a
temporary repair. And I don't think it will work at all with post crowns.

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I have a crown of the common type that is basically an artificial
(ceramic) tooth with a metal rod extending from the top, which is
glued directly into a hole in my skull. These come loose every so
often, and one generally then goes to the dentist who applies some
kind of adhesive to the metal rod and shoves it back in. All done in a
jiffy. In fact, it's such a simple operation that if I had some
suitable adhesive, I might do it myself, and save myself a trip to the
dentist and a £30 bill! Anyone know what kind of adhesive to use? I
reckon superglue would be too quick-setting; you need a few seconds to
make fine adjustments before the glue sets...


How long did it first last before coming loose? If properly made, should
have been many years. But then rot sets in and the fit becomes less than
perfect so it comes out rather too easily. The only long term solution is
a new one, as these things depend on a perfect mechanical fit with no
movement.

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Quite. £30 is a very reasonable charge for the job. However, I
would be asking the dentist why the crown isn't bonding properly.


They do fall off every couple of years, especially if a back tooth
that you chew on. No adhesive can stand the environment forever.


Mine don't, and I have 4 of them.

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They do fall off every couple of years, especially if a back tooth
that you chew on. No adhesive can stand the environment forever.


Only a couple of my 8 crowns have done this (and not every 'couple of
years' either). Most have stood up much better.

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Use a dental cement which you can obtain very cheaply in the form of a
dental repair kit.


http://www.expresschemist.co.uk/cate...dentistry.html


This is not the same stuff as the dentist uses and only provides a
temporary repair. And I don't think it will work at all with post crowns.


I think you are right Dave, I'd observed it was a post crown (I've had
a couple) but it hadn't "registered".

My experiences with post crowns were mixed. (poor and worse !)

The bigger the hole in the root the less tooth material remains. Of my
2 one in the lower jaw kept coming out, just looking at it the post
was patently too small to withstand off axis biting forces, and was
also tapered. One doesn't fix fence posts by tapering them to a point
and banging them in, well anyway it didn't work for me.

OTOH The other in the top jaw was different that had to be extracted
because the root cracked along it's length because it had been
weakened by the prep.

I've also had 7 titanium implants which are superb, they feel exactly
like natural teeth The biting/chewing function is about 95% as good
(the form of the biting surfaces is not quite as effective).

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On 2006-08-11 09:27:47 +0100, Huge said:

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On 2006-08-11 07:46:25 +0100, Douglas de Lacey said:

Drake (formerly Jake D) wrote:
This one should raise an eyebrow or two, and some vexed responses...

I have a crown of the common type that is basically an artificial



make fine adjustments before the glue sets...

How much of the £30 goes on the subsequent check that your bite is still OK?

Douglas de Lacey


Quite. £30 is a very reasonable charge for the job. However, I
would be asking the dentist why the crown isn't bonding properly.


They do fall off every couple of years, especially if a back tooth
that you chew on. No adhesive can stand the environment forever.


Hmm... Perhaps it's also a function of how much tooth surface is left.
I have 4 with no problems in 5-10 years.


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They do fall off every couple of years, especially if a back tooth
that you chew on. No adhesive can stand the environment forever.


Hmm... Perhaps it's also a function of how much tooth surface is left.
I have 4 with no problems in 5-10 years.


My private dentist told me they are more secure if the sides of the
prep are nearer to parallel.

He also said that the crown should be confluent with the root. To
achieve this the gums should be free from infection when the
impressions are taken since soft flabby swollen gums spoil the
impression. He also said my NHS crowns were "Atrocious".

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On 2006-08-11 12:23:13 +0100, Derek ^ said:

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They do fall off every couple of years, especially if a back tooth
that you chew on. No adhesive can stand the environment forever.


Hmm... Perhaps it's also a function of how much tooth surface is left.
I have 4 with no problems in 5-10 years.


My private dentist told me they are more secure if the sides of the
prep are nearer to parallel.


Makes sense.


He also said that the crown should be confluent with the root. To
achieve this the gums should be free from infection when the
impressions are taken since soft flabby swollen gums spoil the
impression.


This is one of the reasons that there is normally a delay after having
a root canal treatment before a crown is fitted. The other is that
the RCT might not work.

He also said my NHS crowns were "Atrocious".


Why am I not surprised about that?



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This one should raise an eyebrow or two, and some vexed responses...

I have a crown of the common type that is basically an artificial
(ceramic) tooth with a metal rod extending from the top, which is
glued directly into a hole in my skull. These come loose every so
often, and one generally then goes to the dentist who applies some
kind of adhesive to the metal rod and shoves it back in. All done in a
jiffy. In fact, it's such a simple operation that if I had some
suitable adhesive, I might do it myself, and save myself a trip to the
dentist and a £30 bill! Anyone know what kind of adhesive to use? I
reckon superglue would be too quick-setting; you need a few seconds to
make fine adjustments before the glue sets...

Drake


The most permanent solution would be to attach the ceramic tooth to a small
metal angle bracket. This can then be attached inside your mouth using small
yellow rawlplugs and screws.

Don't use the drill on hammer when you drill into the roof of your mouth as
the vibrations will make your vision go blurry - best to use a tungsten tile
drill on non hammer for this. Also don't be tempted to use paraffin or other
cutting agents to speed up drilling as these will make you gag. Regarding
drill depth it's usually best to stop when you get a spurt of cerebrospinal
fluid. If your left leg starts to try walking on its own you have drilled
too far, a couple of matchsticks for packing will come in handy in this
eventuality.

Nearly forgot, you'd be better off using stainless steel screws as mild
steel tastes a bit sour when it rusts.


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would be asking the dentist why the crown isn't bonding properly.


They do fall off every couple of years, especially if a back tooth
that you chew on. No adhesive can stand the environment forever.


I have some crowns (two of which are at the back) that have never fallen
off. They've been there for over 30 years.

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Quite. £30 is a very reasonable charge for the job. However, I
would be asking the dentist why the crown isn't bonding properly.


They do fall off every couple of years, especially if a back tooth
that you chew on. No adhesive can stand the environment forever.


Shh!!! . Mines been in for 15 years now.


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On 2006-08-11 14:26:00 +0100, Huge said:


When I had my one done, the dentist quoted two prices, one twice
the other. I asked what the difference was, other than the money,
and he said "a crown that fits" (a private rather than an NHS
one). I had the expensive one. When it finally fell off (after about
10 years) in the USA and I went to an American dentist to have it stuck
back on, the American chap commented that it was "an excellent job".


It pretty much relates to time taken in preparation and materials used,
so no big surprises.


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I've also had 7 titanium implants which are superb, they feel exactly
like natural teeth The biting/chewing function is about 95% as good
(the form of the biting surfaces is not quite as effective).

DG



Im amazed by this thread how old are you lot
is this level of tooth decay average in the population
I don't have a single filling neither do any of my three children all now in
their 30s
Must be down to genetics or a dietary issue.



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Im amazed by this thread how old are you lot is this level of tooth
decay average in the population I don't have a single filling neither do
any of my three children all now in their 30s Must be down to genetics
or a dietary issue.


Since it's a question about sticking a crown back on I'd not expect
someone with perfect teeth to know much about it - unless a dentist.

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snip

He also said my NHS crowns were "Atrocious".


Why am I not surprised about that?


Mine were atrocious too.

When I had my one done, the dentist quoted two prices, one twice
the other. I asked what the difference was, other than the money,
and he said "a crown that fits" (a private rather than an NHS
one). I had the expensive one. When it finally fell off (after about
10 years) in the USA and I went to an American dentist to have it stuck
back on, the American chap commented that it was "an excellent job".


In my own experience, there are more bad _private_ dentists than good ones.
In the past few years, I've had 4 bad ones and 2 good ones. Price is not
necessarely a good guide.

Sylvain.


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I've also had 7 titanium implants which are superb, they feel exactly
like natural teeth The biting/chewing function is about 95% as good
(the form of the biting surfaces is not quite as effective).

DG

Any change out of £10,000?

Sylvain.


Im amazed by this thread how old are you lot
is this level of tooth decay average in the population
I don't have a single filling neither do any of my three children all now
in
their 30s
Must be down to genetics or a dietary issue.

Do you have regular dental checks, and dental care _advice_?

Sylvain.



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Derek ^ wrote in message

I've also had 7 titanium implants which are superb, they feel exactly
like natural teeth The biting/chewing function is about 95% as good
(the form of the biting surfaces is not quite as effective).

DG

Any change out of £10,000?

Sylvain.


Probably about that, I paid £7,200 for 5 hours work one afternoon
placing the titanium implants. The crowns were extra. I had a lot of
other restorations done at the same time, total cost about £15k.

Because of the missing back teeth I had been chewing on the biting
edge of my front teeth I had lost 2-3 mm off my front teeth and the
enamel had started spalling off from the raw edge. When I mentioned it
to my NHS dentist he said "It's your age, what we do is round them off
when they get like this."

The private dentist said that was precisely the opposite to the
correct treatment which was to add restorations not remove more
healthy tooth material.

Because off the missing tooth material my lower dental arch had
collapsed inwards and the front teeth were crossing over each other.
ISTR Tony Blair also has this if you notice. I had to have orthodontic
treatment to pull them all square and crowns on all of them but the
ultimate result was very good.

Unfortunately the dentist got very greedy towards the end of my
treatment. Prices went up, he changed the working conditions of his
staff and they left, he started doing his own sedations with an ECG
machine which he borrowed, and the cost was double what a Private GP
used to charge to come in and do it.

Needless to say the atmosphere in the practise became unpleasant :-(

DG

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Derek ^ wrote in message

I've also had 7 titanium implants which are superb, they feel exactly
like natural teeth The biting/chewing function is about 95% as good
(the form of the biting surfaces is not quite as effective).

DG

Any change out of £10,000?

Sylvain.


Probably about that, I paid £7,200 for 5 hours work one afternoon
placing the titanium implants. The crowns were extra. I had a lot of
other restorations done at the same time, total cost about £15k.

Because of the missing back teeth I had been chewing on the biting
edge of my front teeth I had lost 2-3 mm off my front teeth and the
enamel had started spalling off from the raw edge. When I mentioned it
to my NHS dentist he said "It's your age, what we do is round them off
when they get like this."

The private dentist said that was precisely the opposite to the
correct treatment which was to add restorations not remove more
healthy tooth material.

Because off the missing tooth material my lower dental arch had
collapsed inwards and the front teeth were crossing over each other.
ISTR Tony Blair also has this if you notice. I had to have orthodontic
treatment to pull them all square and crowns on all of them but the
ultimate result was very good.

Unfortunately the dentist got very greedy towards the end of my
treatment. Prices went up, he changed the working conditions of his
staff and they left, he started doing his own sedations with an ECG
machine which he borrowed, and the cost was double what a Private GP
used to charge to come in and do it.

Needless to say the atmosphere in the practise became unpleasant :-(


You were lucky that this happened "towards the end of your treatment". I
believe that we're entitled to a fair profit, and not a maximum one. This is
capitalism at its worst.

P.S. I believe that we have the most expensive dentists and doctors in the
world (probably other trades as well).
P.P.S. I heard very recently that London is the most expensive city in the
world.

Sylvain.

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Derek ^ wrote in message

I've also had 7 titanium implants which are superb, they feel exactly
like natural teeth The biting/chewing function is about 95% as good
(the form of the biting surfaces is not quite as effective).

DG

Any change out of £10,000?

Sylvain.


Im amazed by this thread how old are you lot
is this level of tooth decay average in the population
I don't have a single filling neither do any of my three children all

now
in
their 30s
Must be down to genetics or a dietary issue.

Do you have regular dental checks, and dental care _advice_?

Sylvain.



I go for check-ups every so often last one in December of last year.
I was probably being a bit naïve, teeth are not a regular conversation
point in our family
I was just surprised at the number of people replying that have needed
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Probably about that, I paid £7,200 for 5 hours work one afternoon
placing the titanium implants. The crowns were extra. I had a lot of
other restorations done at the same time, total cost about £15k.



Unfortunately the dentist got very greedy towards the end of my
treatment. Prices went up, he changed the working conditions of his
staff and they left, he started doing his own sedations with an ECG
machine which he borrowed, and the cost was double what a Private GP
used to charge to come in and do it.

Needless to say the atmosphere in the practise became unpleasant :-(

He could have done a better job ...

http://www.jamesbondmm.co.uk/bond-vi...chard-kiel.php

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I go for check-ups every so often last one in December of last year.
I was probably being a bit naïve, teeth are not a regular conversation
point in our family
I was just surprised at the number of people replying that have needed
extensive dental work,


Many in my generation (born 1958) have bad teeth and have had some
pretty grotty dentistry. I was very surprised when someone in my year at
school had not had any fillings; the rest of us certainly had!

AIUI dental decay is a disease of the under 25s and if you last that
long without decay, you won't get much later on.

Fluoride toothpaste and fissure sealing cam on the scene after our teeth
started decaying. We were then treated by dentists on piecework, who
benefited by doing shoddy jobs quickly. Badly done amalgam fillings do
not last long and our teeth came to bits after repeated shoddy fillings.
Then we had crowns fitted...

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On 2006-08-12 22:25:47 +0100, Huge said:

On 2006-08-12, Mark wrote:


I was just surprised at the number of people replying that have needed
extensive dental work,


I have one crown (actually an inlay) required because I broke a molar
on a piece of mussel shell in a moulle meuniere in Brussels.


Bet it was worth it though...


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P.S. I believe that we have the most expensive dentists and doctors in
the world (probably other trades as well).
P.P.S. I heard very recently
that London is the most expensive city in the world.


A radio prog the other week reckoned it was cheaper to fly to and stay
overnight in IIRC Poland for even fairly simple dental work. And the
quality of work is at least as good as here.

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Sylvain VAN DER WALDE wrote:

P.S. I believe that we have the most expensive dentists and doctors in
the world (probably other trades as well).
P.P.S. I heard very recently
that London is the most expensive city in the world.



A radio prog the other week reckoned it was cheaper to fly to and stay
overnight in IIRC Poland for even fairly simple dental work. And the
quality of work is at least as good as here.


Maybe, but Sylvain is wrong. According to the beeb London got to No 2 in
2004[1], but currently it's either Oslo[2] or Moscow[3] (depending on
whom you believe) with Tokyo pushed into third place.

Douglas de Lacey
[1] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3803303.stm
[2] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/4669400.stm
[3] http://www.finfacts.com/costofliving.htm (more recent than [2])
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On 2006-08-13 01:23:37 +0100, said:
I have good
teeth (no sugar as child as mother was diabetic and also hereditry) but the
genes gave us all poor gums. The excellent teeth (just like my mother and
siblings) are now falling out.


My dentist indicated that after the age of about 30 more teeth are lost
through gum problems than direct decay.

I have always had pretty reasonable oral health, but gum health has
improved considerably since diagnosis of and treatment for diabetes.
I have always tended to avoid overt or covert sugar anyway, but
improved blood glucose control has made a difference to gum health.
So as an aside, and considering your mother, have you had blood glucose
screening?




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On 2006-08-13 08:12:05 +0100, Douglas de Lacey said:

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Sylvain VAN DER WALDE wrote:

P.S. I believe that we have the most expensive dentists and doctors in
the world (probably other trades as well).
P.P.S. I heard very recently
that London is the most expensive city in the world.



A radio prog the other week reckoned it was cheaper to fly to and stay
overnight in IIRC Poland for even fairly simple dental work. And the
quality of work is at least as good as here.


Maybe, but Sylvain is wrong. According to the beeb London got to No 2
in 2004[1], but currently it's either Oslo[2] or Moscow[3] (depending
on whom you believe) with Tokyo pushed into third place.

Douglas de Lacey
[1] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3803303.stm
[2] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/4669400.stm
[3] http://www.finfacts.com/costofliving.htm (more recent than [2])


According to personal experience, Moscow is very expensive, Oslo less
so but still up there. Poland is considerably cheaper than much of
former western Europe although there are already signs that that won't
last forever.


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I go for check-ups every so often last one in December of last year.
I was probably being a bit naïve, teeth are not a regular conversation
point in our family
I was just surprised at the number of people replying that have needed
extensive dental work,


Many in my generation (born 1958) have bad teeth and have had some
pretty grotty dentistry. I was very surprised when someone in my year at
school had not had any fillings; the rest of us certainly had!

AIUI dental decay is a disease of the under 25s and if you last that
long without decay, you won't get much later on.

Fluoride toothpaste and fissure sealing cam on the scene after our teeth
started decaying. We were then treated by dentists on piecework, who
benefited by doing shoddy jobs quickly. Badly done amalgam fillings do
not last long and our teeth came to bits after repeated shoddy fillings.
Then we had crowns fitted...


I found out too late that large fillings are a bad idea. It's best to have
gold inlays; they're cheaper in the long run. Only have a crown done if it's
not feasable to have an inlay. Some dentists are incapable of doing white
(non amalgam) fillings. The curing process required seems to be beyond their
skill.

Sylvain.

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On 2006-08-13 01:23:37 +0100, said:
I have good
teeth (no sugar as child as mother was diabetic and also hereditry) but
the
genes gave us all poor gums. The excellent teeth (just like my mother and
siblings) are now falling out.


My dentist indicated that after the age of about 30 more teeth are lost
through gum problems than direct decay.


My last NHS dentist made an apalling job of cleaning my teeth. This led to
bleeding gums. My _good_ private dentist made a good job of handling this. I
was sent to a dental hospital, and had a dental hygienist make a thorough
job of cleaning them
(teeth and gums). You just wouldn't believe the large amount of tartar that
came out the first time.

Sylvain.

I have always had pretty reasonable oral health, but gum health has
improved considerably since diagnosis of and treatment for diabetes. I
have always tended to avoid overt or covert sugar anyway, but improved
blood glucose control has made a difference to gum health.
So as an aside, and considering your mother, have you had blood glucose
screening?




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On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 00:36:45 +0100, Helen Deborah Vecht
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Many in my generation (born 1958) have bad teeth


I'm from a slightly earlier era but still had my milk teeth when the
sugar ration ended, I suspect my mum overdid the sugar after this as
she wanted the best for us, herself not realising the restricted diet
she thought of as being inadequate was probably more healthy.


We were then treated by dentists on piecework, who
benefited by doing shoddy jobs quickly.


Yes it paid dentists to fill unnecessarily, we had a big migration of
antipodean dentists during the 60s and they worked the piecework
system to perfection, the technique of "trench" filling speeded up the
process of accumulating a wad to retire early on.


Some damn Indian doctor did some fillings (a long time ago) without giving
me any injections. No doubt, he was charging the NHS for them.

Sylvain.


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On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 20:54:34 GMT, "Sylvain VAN DER WALDE"
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Unfortunately the dentist got very greedy towards the end of my
treatment. Prices went up, he changed the working conditions of his
staff and they left, he started doing his own sedations with an ECG
machine which he borrowed, and the cost was double what a Private GP
used to charge to come in and do it.

Needless to say the atmosphere in the practise became unpleasant :-(


You were lucky that this happened "towards the end of your treatment". I
believe that we're entitled to a fair profit, and not a maximum one. This is
capitalism at its worst.


I wasn't too pleased to see a new elevated price list in the middle of
my treatment. With the benefit of hindsight ISTM unethical to increase
prices substantially when treatment is half completed. I was never
given a costed treatment plan which I believe is regarded as good
practise nowadays.

P.S. I believe that we have the most expensive dentists and doctors in the
world (probably other trades as well).


The regulated professions are the worst, hence the attempts under this
gov. for the trade associations of the manual trades to get their work
to be (more + more) regulated.

P.P.S. I heard very recently that London is the most expensive city in the
world.


Dunno about it being *The worst*, but it definitely rates !

DG

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