Chris Spyrou wrote:

It's difficult to describe but it's basically 6 sides or say a square with
two corner cut off so that it could fit into the wall. Actually it's easier
with a visual so you can view what I mean he
http://www.numero.co.uk/misc/loungetv.gif

Ain't nooo way that's gonna work. Here are the options that leap
to my mind:

Refer to URL:http://clareassoc.co.uk/temp/loungetv2.gif

[a] Use two front legs, at or near the front corners, running
between the shelves, and all the way down to the floor (the pink
circles). Anything will do - wood, aluminium, s/s, whatever you
want.

[b] Extend the shelves along the green lines to meet the walls ,
then use supports (blue) all the way along the length of the
shelves. If you use softwood, make sure it's at least 20mm. If
you use glass, make sure it's at least 8mm, pref 10mm.

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Grunff

"Grunff" wrote in message
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Chris Spyrou wrote:
It's difficult to describe but it's basically 6 sides or say a square
with
two corner cut off so that it could fit into the wall. Actually it's
easier
with a visual so you can view what I mean he
http://www.numero.co.uk/misc/loungetv.gif

Ain't nooo way that's gonna work. Here are the options that leap
to my mind:

Was worried someone was going to day that

Refer to URL:http://clareassoc.co.uk/temp/loungetv2.gif

[a] Use two front legs, at or near the front corners, running
between the shelves, and all the way down to the floor (the pink
circles). Anything will do - wood, aluminium, s/s, whatever you
want.

I like this idea, but the TV is directly underneath so that's a no no.

[b] Extend the shelves along the green lines to meet the walls,
then use supports (blue) all the way along the length of the
shelves. If you use softwood, make sure it's at least 20mm. If
you use glass, make sure it's at least 8mm, pref 10mm.

I uploaded the original idea side by side with your suggestion
and in between a compromised alternative [hopefully this one
will be OK] as the I don't really want 1.3m length of glass.
http://www.numero.co.uk/misc/loungetv2.gif

I've also added 3 other possibilities based on the middle design.
Not sure how the bottom left one will support the glass though
although wood should be OK for this I guess.

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Chris Spyrou
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fred wrote:
Looks like a really nice idea, but I share the glaziers' concerns,
think you're looking at 12mm laminate there (guess), sounds expensive
but do- able. Consider approaching glass suppliers specialising in
glass staircases.

If you're prepared to spend on the glass then I reckon the bracketing
is do- able, but again custom made and sunk into the plaster of the
wall.

I've uploaded another design [top middle] with various bracket styles
http://www.numero.co.uk/misc/loungetv2.gif

Just for the glass (original top left), I was quoted £104 for 4 pieces of
6mm, £140 if toughened and £164 for 10mm glass (although he was
very concerned about the latter, especially without good supports).

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In uk.d-i-y, Chris Spyrou wrote:

I've uploaded another design [top middle] with various bracket styles
http://www.numero.co.uk/misc/loungetv2.gif

Supporting at the wall edges only is what makes this design hard to
make practicable. You've explained that legs is right out. In the
which case... is there any chance you can let in steel (e.g. threaded
studding) into the walls on both corners? If you have solid walls, you
can use any number of fixings (such as sleeve anchors, or an epoxy fix
direct into the brickwork), with the steel being either studding (which
you can get cheap) or fancier gubbins (e.g. chromed wardrobe rail) - or
indeed both (studding for the structure, chromed or stainless tubing around
it, with an suitable covering - transparent heatshrink, say! - for the
glass (which can now be thinner, e.g. 6mm) to rest on.

If you have plasterboard walls, getting a good fix deep enough is going
to be (a lot) more of a hassle. If you're OK with the look of it, a couple
of Spur uprights (available in chrome if you want the hitech look) with
matching supports to hold your glass shelves would do the required
mechanical job rather nicely, and the uprights will be nicely secure by
the Usual heaver-duty platerboard fixings (either spring toggles, or those
rather nice hollow wall anchor things which Screwfix sell as partnum 11143
(at least that's the size I need for the thicker PB in my current house).
You can then rest the glass shelves on the brackets using A Suitable Method
- maybe cut a little bit of polycarbonate or vinyl-flooring-sample (yes,
I'm cheap ;-) to act as a load-spreader between the glass shelf and the
bracket.

Last silly idea - if you can't take the load from the front of the shelves
down through legs (TV in the way), and don't like the idea of brackets from
Spur-like shelving taking it into the wall, how about supporting them from
the top? Steel wire holding up the front 45-degree corners and going up
to the ceiling (ugh) or top of the wall (better) could look the biz...

HTH, Stefek

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In uk.d-i-y, Chris Spyrou wrote:

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Last silly idea - if you can't take the load from the front of the shelves
down through legs (TV in the way), and don't like the idea of brackets
from
Spur-like shelving taking it into the wall, how about supporting them from
the top? Steel wire holding up the front 45-degree corners and going up
to the ceiling (ugh) or top of the wall (better) could look the biz...

HTH, Stefek

You mean like these Stefek ?

http://www.display4business.com/fsuspfr.htm

http://www.display4business.com/wirefix/wire_fix3.htm

http://www.display4scotland.com/wirefix/wire_fix15.htm

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In uk.d-i-y, Chris Spyrou wrote:

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Last silly idea - if you can't take the load from the front of the
shelves
down through legs (TV in the way), and don't like the idea of brackets
from
Spur-like shelving taking it into the wall, how about supporting them
from
the top? Steel wire holding up the front 45-degree corners and going up
to the ceiling (ugh) or top of the wall (better) could look the biz...

HTH, Stefek

You mean like these Stefek ?

http://www.display4business.com/fsuspfr.htm

http://www.display4business.com/wirefix/wire_fix3.htm

http://www.display4scotland.com/wirefix/wire_fix15.htm



Also this idea:

http://www.novadisplay.com/wholesale...g/large/19.jpg

BigWallop wrote:
"BigWallop" wrote in message
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http://www.display4business.com/fsuspfr.htm
http://www.display4business.com/wirefix/wire_fix3.htm
http://www.display4scotland.com/wirefix/wire_fix15.htm
Also this idea:
http://www.novadisplay.com/wholesale...g/large/19.jpg

And this PDF document gives an even better idea of the components
available to make a suspended shelving system. And most are ideal
for glass shelves.

http://www.commercialsigns.com/Acrob...gue%202002.pdf

Thanks for this, not trying to work out how it will look/work.
Also display4business and display4scotland seem to no longer exist.

I'm assuming you are suggesting something like this (right pic)
http://www.numero.co.uk/misc/loungetv3.gif
But it seems this way may require the shelf to be resized to fit
the correct spreader bar.

I'm sure I thought all this was going to be simple at first

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Chris Spyrou
numero communications limited

Grunff wrote:
Chris Spyrou wrote:
I uploaded the original idea side by side with your suggestion
and in between a compromised alternative [hopefully this one
will be OK] as the I don't really want 1.3m length of glass.
http://www.numero.co.uk/misc/loungetv2.gif

Yeah, I think that would work. The thing to watch for is how
much load is forward of where the side supports end, and I think
your compromise is fine.

Phew!

A couple of people at a company that supplies display solutions
believe it will work but will check with one of their engineers on
Monday. Apparently, he doesn't let anything go out if he thinks
it will not work.

I actually enquired about steel cables/rods, but they believe that
6 WM04(s) should do the job.
http://tinyurl.com/md3w


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Chris Spyrou
numero communications limited

In article , Chris
Spyrou writes
fred wrote:
Looks like a really nice idea, but I share the glaziers' concerns,
think you're looking at 12mm laminate there (guess), sounds expensive
but do- able. Consider approaching glass suppliers specialising in
glass staircases.

If you're prepared to spend on the glass then I reckon the bracketing
is do- able, but again custom made and sunk into the plaster of the
wall.

I've uploaded another design [top middle] with various bracket styles
http://www.numero.co.uk/misc/loungetv2.gif
Thought top left was by far the kewlst looking, but reckon top middle may
come a close second, and the cantilevered section is reduced from
300mm to 141mm, nice one. Still don't know if I'd trust it with just 6mm
toughened though :-).

Just for the glass (original top left), I was quoted £104 for 4 pieces of
6mm, £140 if toughened and £164 for 10mm glass (although he was
very concerned about the latter, especially without good supports).
Initial thought this was a good price for 10mm, but then reading between
the lines reckoned it wasn't toughened which I think would be a bit scary. I
don't have any guidelines or formulae for using glass in this way, my
feelings are just that, but I'd still be heading toward the thicker stuff &
either toughened or laminated. Lam may be cheaper and I don't think the
polymer seam would be ugly in a polished edge.

My thoughts for fixing were for a solid wall and just a single shelf so this
may not be for you:
1. Remove plaster in a 50mm slot where shelf is to go.
2. Fix 20mm aluminium angle to wall along the bearing length with glass -
using say 4 strong rawlplugs and with vertical slots drilled in the angle
instead of holes to let you finely adjust the bracket position.
3. Adjust aluminium angle to get glass as flat as poss & then bed in glass
using high modulus (rigid) neutral cure silicone (black?).
4. Add another length of angle along the wall on top of the glass (again in
silicone) to take the cantilever load. Prob fewer fixings reqd but again slot
holes to adjust.
5. Re plaster above & below shelf to make a hidden fixing.

Now you are going to tell me it is a stud wall . . . and this was more work
than you were looking for :-)
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fred

fred wrote:
Chris Spyrou wrote:
I've uploaded another design [top middle] with various bracket styles
http://www.numero.co.uk/misc/loungetv2.gif

Thought top left was by far the kewlst looking, but reckon top middle
may come a close second, and the cantilevered section is reduced
from 300mm to 141mm, nice one. Still don't know if I'd trust it with just
6mm toughened though :-).

Not sure what you mean by cantlevered section reduced.

Initial thought this was a good price for 10mm, but then reading
between the lines reckoned it wasn't toughened which I think would
be a bit scary.

Yes the price quoted was 10mm (not toughened).

Now you are going to tell me it is a stud wall . . . and this was
more work than you were looking for :-)

Well it's actually it's No and Yes

Two solid walls, but it probably comes into the more work than I was
looking for, especially with 4 shelves. The other 3 shelves housing
what I would term light AV equipment (video, dvd and sat box),
whilst the amp is 10kg and will be the highest shelf.

It's got to the point when I'm hoping that 6 brackets will do the job
adequately - like the
Spur 322307000 Small Comet Chrome Brackets (but in silver)
or 6 WM04(s) http://tinyurl.com/md3w.

And I though researching soundproof plasterboards was a task

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Chris Spyrou
numero communications limited

In article , Chris
Spyrou writes
fred wrote:
Chris Spyrou wrote:
I've uploaded another design [top middle] with various bracket styles
http://www.numero.co.uk/misc/loungetv2.gif

Thought top left was by far the kewlst looking, but reckon top middle
may come a close second, and the cantilevered section is reduced
from 300mm to 141mm, nice one. Still don't know if I'd trust it with just
6mm toughened though :-).

Not sure what you mean by cantlevered section reduced.
Ok, draw a line between the outermost fittings on each wall, the bit that
sticks out past that line is unsupported and cantilevered from the glass
(and fixings) inside. In case 1 (top left) the dim past the fixing is 300mm
but in the case of top middle, the dist over the line is 200/(root2) ie 141mm
(cos of the angle) and is therefore stronger. How's that?

Initial thought this was a good price for 10mm, but then reading
between the lines reckoned it wasn't toughened which I think would
be a bit scary.

Yes the price quoted was 10mm (not toughened).
Hmm, see scary . . . .


Now you are going to tell me it is a stud wall . . . and this was
more work than you were looking for :-)

Well it's actually it's No and Yes

Two solid walls, but it probably comes into the more work than I was
looking for, especially with 4 shelves. The other 3 shelves housing
what I would term light AV equipment (video, dvd and sat box),
whilst the amp is 10kg and will be the highest shelf.

It's got to the point when I'm hoping that 6 brackets will do the job
adequately - like the
Spur 322307000 Small Comet Chrome Brackets (but in silver)
or 6 WM04(s) http://tinyurl.com/md3w.
They do look good and avail for up to 10mm shelves, so should be strong
enough. I wonder if you would be able to align these with the necessary
accuracy for 3 shelves worth in a solid wall? Perhaps if you mounted flat
bar (alu) (or even battens) into the plaster (more work) then your alignment
would be easier as you would be fixing into soft metal or wood rather than
masonry drilling.

And I though researching soundproof plasterboards was a task
:-)
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fred

fred wrote:
Chris Spyrou wrote:
Ok, draw a line between the outermost fittings on each wall, the bit
that sticks out past that line is unsupported and cantilevered from
the glass (and fixings) inside. In case 1 (top left) the dim past the
fixing is 300mm but in the case of top middle, the dist over the line
is 200/(root2) ie 141mm (cos of the angle) and is therefore stronger.
How's that?

Thought it was that but wasn't sure how you got to 141mm (and
maths is my strong point!)

Yes the price quoted was 10mm (not toughened).
Hmm, see scary . . . .

Actually for some reason he couldn't quote a price there and then
because he didn't have them there, although for 6mm he just
added £35.

They do look good and avail for up to 10mm shelves, so should be
strong enough. I wonder if you would be able to align these with the
necessary accuracy for 3 shelves worth in a solid wall? Perhaps if
you mounted flat bar (alu) (or even battens) into the plaster (more
work) then your alignment would be easier as you would be fixing
into soft metal or wood rather than masonry drilling.

Did I hear you mention 'more work' somewhere above?

And I thought researching soundproof plasterboards was a task
:-)

At least I can't hear whispering from upstairs now

Next task is a U-shaped shower curtain rail!

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Chris Spyrou
numero communications limited