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Supporting 4 glass corner shelves on a wall
Chris Spyrou wrote:
It's difficult to describe but it's basically 6 sides or say a square with two corner cut off so that it could fit into the wall. Actually it's easier with a visual so you can view what I mean he http://www.numero.co.uk/misc/loungetv.gif Ain't nooo way that's gonna work. Here are the options that leap to my mind: Refer to URL:http://clareassoc.co.uk/temp/loungetv2.gif [a] Use two front legs, at or near the front corners, running between the shelves, and all the way down to the floor (the pink circles). Anything will do - wood, aluminium, s/s, whatever you want. [b] Extend the shelves along the green lines to meet the walls , then use supports (blue) all the way along the length of the shelves. If you use softwood, make sure it's at least 20mm. If you use glass, make sure it's at least 8mm, pref 10mm. -- Grunff |
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Supporting 4 glass corner shelves on a wall
"Grunff" wrote in message
... Chris Spyrou wrote: It's difficult to describe but it's basically 6 sides or say a square with two corner cut off so that it could fit into the wall. Actually it's easier with a visual so you can view what I mean he http://www.numero.co.uk/misc/loungetv.gif Ain't nooo way that's gonna work. Here are the options that leap to my mind: Was worried someone was going to day that Refer to URL:http://clareassoc.co.uk/temp/loungetv2.gif [a] Use two front legs, at or near the front corners, running between the shelves, and all the way down to the floor (the pink circles). Anything will do - wood, aluminium, s/s, whatever you want. I like this idea, but the TV is directly underneath so that's a no no. [b] Extend the shelves along the green lines to meet the walls, then use supports (blue) all the way along the length of the shelves. If you use softwood, make sure it's at least 20mm. If you use glass, make sure it's at least 8mm, pref 10mm. I uploaded the original idea side by side with your suggestion and in between a compromised alternative [hopefully this one will be OK] as the I don't really want 1.3m length of glass. http://www.numero.co.uk/misc/loungetv2.gif I've also added 3 other possibilities based on the middle design. Not sure how the bottom left one will support the glass though although wood should be OK for this I guess. -- Chris Spyrou numero communications limited |
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Supporting 4 glass corner shelves on a wall
fred wrote:
Looks like a really nice idea, but I share the glaziers' concerns, think you're looking at 12mm laminate there (guess), sounds expensive but do- able. Consider approaching glass suppliers specialising in glass staircases. If you're prepared to spend on the glass then I reckon the bracketing is do- able, but again custom made and sunk into the plaster of the wall. I've uploaded another design [top middle] with various bracket styles http://www.numero.co.uk/misc/loungetv2.gif Just for the glass (original top left), I was quoted £104 for 4 pieces of 6mm, £140 if toughened and £164 for 10mm glass (although he was very concerned about the latter, especially without good supports). -- Chris Spyrou numero communications limited |
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Supporting 4 glass corner shelves on a wall
In uk.d-i-y, Chris Spyrou wrote:
I've uploaded another design [top middle] with various bracket styles http://www.numero.co.uk/misc/loungetv2.gif Supporting at the wall edges only is what makes this design hard to make practicable. You've explained that legs is right out. In the which case... is there any chance you can let in steel (e.g. threaded studding) into the walls on both corners? If you have solid walls, you can use any number of fixings (such as sleeve anchors, or an epoxy fix direct into the brickwork), with the steel being either studding (which you can get cheap) or fancier gubbins (e.g. chromed wardrobe rail) - or indeed both (studding for the structure, chromed or stainless tubing around it, with an suitable covering - transparent heatshrink, say! - for the glass (which can now be thinner, e.g. 6mm) to rest on. If you have plasterboard walls, getting a good fix deep enough is going to be (a lot) more of a hassle. If you're OK with the look of it, a couple of Spur uprights (available in chrome if you want the hitech look) with matching supports to hold your glass shelves would do the required mechanical job rather nicely, and the uprights will be nicely secure by the Usual heaver-duty platerboard fixings (either spring toggles, or those rather nice hollow wall anchor things which Screwfix sell as partnum 11143 (at least that's the size I need for the thicker PB in my current house). You can then rest the glass shelves on the brackets using A Suitable Method - maybe cut a little bit of polycarbonate or vinyl-flooring-sample (yes, I'm cheap ;-) to act as a load-spreader between the glass shelf and the bracket. Last silly idea - if you can't take the load from the front of the shelves down through legs (TV in the way), and don't like the idea of brackets from Spur-like shelving taking it into the wall, how about supporting them from the top? Steel wire holding up the front 45-degree corners and going up to the ceiling (ugh) or top of the wall (better) could look the biz... HTH, Stefek |
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Supporting 4 glass corner shelves on a wall
wrote in message ... In uk.d-i-y, Chris Spyrou wrote: snipped Last silly idea - if you can't take the load from the front of the shelves down through legs (TV in the way), and don't like the idea of brackets from Spur-like shelving taking it into the wall, how about supporting them from the top? Steel wire holding up the front 45-degree corners and going up to the ceiling (ugh) or top of the wall (better) could look the biz... HTH, Stefek You mean like these Stefek ? http://www.display4business.com/fsuspfr.htm http://www.display4business.com/wirefix/wire_fix3.htm http://www.display4scotland.com/wirefix/wire_fix15.htm |
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"BigWallop" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... In uk.d-i-y, Chris Spyrou wrote: snipped Last silly idea - if you can't take the load from the front of the shelves down through legs (TV in the way), and don't like the idea of brackets from Spur-like shelving taking it into the wall, how about supporting them from the top? Steel wire holding up the front 45-degree corners and going up to the ceiling (ugh) or top of the wall (better) could look the biz... HTH, Stefek You mean like these Stefek ? http://www.display4business.com/fsuspfr.htm http://www.display4business.com/wirefix/wire_fix3.htm http://www.display4scotland.com/wirefix/wire_fix15.htm Also this idea: http://www.novadisplay.com/wholesale...g/large/19.jpg |
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Supporting 4 glass corner shelves on a wall
BigWallop wrote:
"BigWallop" wrote in message ... http://www.display4business.com/fsuspfr.htm http://www.display4business.com/wirefix/wire_fix3.htm http://www.display4scotland.com/wirefix/wire_fix15.htm Also this idea: http://www.novadisplay.com/wholesale...g/large/19.jpg And this PDF document gives an even better idea of the components available to make a suspended shelving system. And most are ideal for glass shelves. http://www.commercialsigns.com/Acrob...gue%202002.pdf Thanks for this, not trying to work out how it will look/work. Also display4business and display4scotland seem to no longer exist. I'm assuming you are suggesting something like this (right pic) http://www.numero.co.uk/misc/loungetv3.gif But it seems this way may require the shelf to be resized to fit the correct spreader bar. I'm sure I thought all this was going to be simple at first -- Chris Spyrou numero communications limited |
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Supporting 4 glass corner shelves on a wall
Grunff wrote:
Chris Spyrou wrote: I uploaded the original idea side by side with your suggestion and in between a compromised alternative [hopefully this one will be OK] as the I don't really want 1.3m length of glass. http://www.numero.co.uk/misc/loungetv2.gif Yeah, I think that would work. The thing to watch for is how much load is forward of where the side supports end, and I think your compromise is fine. Phew! A couple of people at a company that supplies display solutions believe it will work but will check with one of their engineers on Monday. Apparently, he doesn't let anything go out if he thinks it will not work. I actually enquired about steel cables/rods, but they believe that 6 WM04(s) should do the job. http://tinyurl.com/md3w -- Chris Spyrou numero communications limited |
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Supporting 4 glass corner shelves on a wall
In article , Chris
Spyrou writes fred wrote: Looks like a really nice idea, but I share the glaziers' concerns, think you're looking at 12mm laminate there (guess), sounds expensive but do- able. Consider approaching glass suppliers specialising in glass staircases. If you're prepared to spend on the glass then I reckon the bracketing is do- able, but again custom made and sunk into the plaster of the wall. I've uploaded another design [top middle] with various bracket styles http://www.numero.co.uk/misc/loungetv2.gif Thought top left was by far the kewlst looking, but reckon top middle may come a close second, and the cantilevered section is reduced from 300mm to 141mm, nice one. Still don't know if I'd trust it with just 6mm toughened though :-). Just for the glass (original top left), I was quoted £104 for 4 pieces of 6mm, £140 if toughened and £164 for 10mm glass (although he was very concerned about the latter, especially without good supports). Initial thought this was a good price for 10mm, but then reading between the lines reckoned it wasn't toughened which I think would be a bit scary. I don't have any guidelines or formulae for using glass in this way, my feelings are just that, but I'd still be heading toward the thicker stuff & either toughened or laminated. Lam may be cheaper and I don't think the polymer seam would be ugly in a polished edge. My thoughts for fixing were for a solid wall and just a single shelf so this may not be for you: 1. Remove plaster in a 50mm slot where shelf is to go. 2. Fix 20mm aluminium angle to wall along the bearing length with glass - using say 4 strong rawlplugs and with vertical slots drilled in the angle instead of holes to let you finely adjust the bracket position. 3. Adjust aluminium angle to get glass as flat as poss & then bed in glass using high modulus (rigid) neutral cure silicone (black?). 4. Add another length of angle along the wall on top of the glass (again in silicone) to take the cantilever load. Prob fewer fixings reqd but again slot holes to adjust. 5. Re plaster above & below shelf to make a hidden fixing. Now you are going to tell me it is a stud wall . . . and this was more work than you were looking for :-) -- fred |
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fred wrote:
Chris Spyrou wrote: I've uploaded another design [top middle] with various bracket styles http://www.numero.co.uk/misc/loungetv2.gif Thought top left was by far the kewlst looking, but reckon top middle may come a close second, and the cantilevered section is reduced from 300mm to 141mm, nice one. Still don't know if I'd trust it with just 6mm toughened though :-). Not sure what you mean by cantlevered section reduced. Initial thought this was a good price for 10mm, but then reading between the lines reckoned it wasn't toughened which I think would be a bit scary. Yes the price quoted was 10mm (not toughened). Now you are going to tell me it is a stud wall . . . and this was more work than you were looking for :-) Well it's actually it's No and Yes Two solid walls, but it probably comes into the more work than I was looking for, especially with 4 shelves. The other 3 shelves housing what I would term light AV equipment (video, dvd and sat box), whilst the amp is 10kg and will be the highest shelf. It's got to the point when I'm hoping that 6 brackets will do the job adequately - like the Spur 322307000 Small Comet Chrome Brackets (but in silver) or 6 WM04(s) http://tinyurl.com/md3w. And I though researching soundproof plasterboards was a task -- Chris Spyrou numero communications limited |
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Supporting 4 glass corner shelves on a wall
In article , Chris
Spyrou writes fred wrote: Chris Spyrou wrote: I've uploaded another design [top middle] with various bracket styles http://www.numero.co.uk/misc/loungetv2.gif Thought top left was by far the kewlst looking, but reckon top middle may come a close second, and the cantilevered section is reduced from 300mm to 141mm, nice one. Still don't know if I'd trust it with just 6mm toughened though :-). Not sure what you mean by cantlevered section reduced. Ok, draw a line between the outermost fittings on each wall, the bit that sticks out past that line is unsupported and cantilevered from the glass (and fixings) inside. In case 1 (top left) the dim past the fixing is 300mm but in the case of top middle, the dist over the line is 200/(root2) ie 141mm (cos of the angle) and is therefore stronger. How's that? Initial thought this was a good price for 10mm, but then reading between the lines reckoned it wasn't toughened which I think would be a bit scary. Yes the price quoted was 10mm (not toughened). Hmm, see scary . . . . Now you are going to tell me it is a stud wall . . . and this was more work than you were looking for :-) Well it's actually it's No and Yes Two solid walls, but it probably comes into the more work than I was looking for, especially with 4 shelves. The other 3 shelves housing what I would term light AV equipment (video, dvd and sat box), whilst the amp is 10kg and will be the highest shelf. It's got to the point when I'm hoping that 6 brackets will do the job adequately - like the Spur 322307000 Small Comet Chrome Brackets (but in silver) or 6 WM04(s) http://tinyurl.com/md3w. They do look good and avail for up to 10mm shelves, so should be strong enough. I wonder if you would be able to align these with the necessary accuracy for 3 shelves worth in a solid wall? Perhaps if you mounted flat bar (alu) (or even battens) into the plaster (more work) then your alignment would be easier as you would be fixing into soft metal or wood rather than masonry drilling. And I though researching soundproof plasterboards was a task :-) -- fred |
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Supporting 4 glass corner shelves on a wall
fred wrote:
Chris Spyrou wrote: Ok, draw a line between the outermost fittings on each wall, the bit that sticks out past that line is unsupported and cantilevered from the glass (and fixings) inside. In case 1 (top left) the dim past the fixing is 300mm but in the case of top middle, the dist over the line is 200/(root2) ie 141mm (cos of the angle) and is therefore stronger. How's that? Thought it was that but wasn't sure how you got to 141mm (and maths is my strong point!) Yes the price quoted was 10mm (not toughened). Hmm, see scary . . . . Actually for some reason he couldn't quote a price there and then because he didn't have them there, although for 6mm he just added £35. They do look good and avail for up to 10mm shelves, so should be strong enough. I wonder if you would be able to align these with the necessary accuracy for 3 shelves worth in a solid wall? Perhaps if you mounted flat bar (alu) (or even battens) into the plaster (more work) then your alignment would be easier as you would be fixing into soft metal or wood rather than masonry drilling. Did I hear you mention 'more work' somewhere above? And I thought researching soundproof plasterboards was a task :-) At least I can't hear whispering from upstairs now Next task is a U-shaped shower curtain rail! -- Chris Spyrou numero communications limited |
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