As per the header.

I found a dead mouse today in a CU and the only entry point I could find was
where the tails entered and even that seemed too small to let the head
through.

Adam

ARWadsworth wrote:
As per the header.

I found a dead mouse today in a CU and the only entry point I could
find was where the tails entered and even that seemed too small to
let the head through.

Adam

You'll be suprised where a mouse can get. :-)

At a guess, a 2p piece sized round hole.

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

In article , The3rd
Earl Of Derby writes
ARWadsworth wrote:
As per the header.

I found a dead mouse today in a CU and the only entry point I could
find was where the tails entered and even that seemed too small to
let the head through.

Adam

You'll be suprised where a mouse can get. :-)

At a guess, a 2p piece sized round hole.


Less than that!, around 10mm or whatever that is in Mickey mouse
measurement!.....
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The official government line is anywhere you can get a standard pencil
in. I didn't believe it till I saw it with my own eyes - a normal sized
adult mouse leaping up and vanishing through an air brick that I
couldn't even get my index finger into. It astonished me at the time.

Regards

Mark
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"ARWadsworth" wrote:

I found a dead mouse today in a CU and the only entry point I could find was
where the tails entered and even that seemed too small to let the head
through.

From personal experience:

They can get through a 1/2" square hole (into an airing cupboard)
without any difficulty. I saw one do this when I surprised the little
bugger one evening.

They can also get through a 20mm knockout even when there are four
2.5mm singles running through it - Have you ever tried removing
carbonised mouse from a three phase isolator?

John
--
John White,
Electrical Contractor

"The3rd Earl Of Derby" typed


ARWadsworth wrote:
As per the header.

I found a dead mouse today in a CU and the only entry point I could
find was where the tails entered and even that seemed too small to
let the head through.

Adam

You'll be suprised where a mouse can get. :-)

At a guess, a 2p piece sized round hole.

You'd get a rat through that!

I'd guess any hole large enough for a woman's little finger.

--
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Edgware.

"Helen Deborah Vecht" wrote in message
...
"The3rd Earl Of Derby" typed


ARWadsworth wrote:
As per the header.

I found a dead mouse today in a CU and the only entry point I could
find was where the tails entered and even that seemed too small to
let the head through.

Adam

You'll be suprised where a mouse can get. :-)

At a guess, a 2p piece sized round hole.

You'd get a rat through that!

I'd guess any hole large enough for a woman's little finger.

That's a good guide but it doesn't have to be a round hole. A mouse's skull
is slightly flattened, broader than it's high. A round pencil hole wouldn't
allow a mouse through but squash it a bit and it would. IYKWIM.

Mary

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Edgware.

"Mark A" wrote in message
...
The official government line is anywhere you can get a standard pencil
in. I didn't believe it till I saw it with my own eyes - a normal sized
adult mouse leaping up and vanishing through an air brick that I
couldn't even get my index finger into. It astonished me at the time.

Regards

Mark
--
Pencils are standardised? B****y EU. Is that a round or hexagonal pencil?

The only hole the mouse could have got into this CU was through a
rectangular with two very tight 25mm tails passing through. I do believe a
hexagonal pencil will fit.

Cheers

Adam

ARWadsworth wrote:
As per the header.

I found a dead mouse today in a CU and the only entry point I could
find was where the tails entered and even that seemed too small to
let the head through.

Adam

How small a gap can a mouse get through ? well, measure the hole
where the tails enter the CU and that's about right for ingress.
however, there seems to have been some malfunction of the
mouses egress strategy :-)

"ARWadsworth" wrote in message
. uk...
As per the header.

I found a dead mouse today in a CU and the only entry point I could find
was where the tails entered and even that seemed too small to let the head
through.

I have seen them go through 1/2" mesh.

Mark A wrote:
The official government line is anywhere you can get a standard pencil
in. I didn't believe it till I saw it with my own eyes - a normal sized
adult mouse leaping up and vanishing through an air brick that I
couldn't even get my index finger into. It astonished me at the time.

Regards

Mark

apparently they temporarily dislocate their jaw to enable them to get
through tight holes.


NT

dennis@home wrote:
"ARWadsworth" wrote in message
. uk...

As per the header.

I found a dead mouse today in a CU and the only entry point I could find
was where the tails entered and even that seemed too small to let the head
through.


I have seen them go through 1/2" mesh.



Many rodents can get through a hole which their skulls will go through.
Its probably the only way they can measure it (lacking small rulers
and callipers).

john2

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from "The3rd Earl Of Derby" contains these words:

You'll be suprised where a mouse can get. :-)

At a guess, a 2p piece sized round hole.

You could -drop- a mouse though a hole that big. More like 8 - 10mm

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The message . com
from contains these words:

apparently they temporarily dislocate their jaw to enable them to get
through tight holes.

OK, own up, who cross-bred mice with politicians to leave us with a
bunch who can dislocate their jaws so they can lie more convincingly.

--
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Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

On Mon, 01 May 2006 15:44:34 GMT, The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:

At a guess, a 2p piece sized round hole.

A mouse wouldn't even touch the sides. An adult rat(*) could get through
a 2p sized hole.

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Cheers
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On Mon, 01 May 2006 16:55:20 +0100, Mark A wrote:

The official government line is anywhere you can get a standard pencil
in.

Thats about right. Our mouse holding cage has bars spaced 7mm apart, a
pencil will just go between them. No mouse has yet got out between the
bars. Shrews on the other hand can, with ease...

--
Cheers
Dave. pam is missing e-mail

"ARWadsworth" wrote in message
. uk...
As per the header.

I found a dead mouse today in a CU and the only entry point I could find
was where the tails entered and even that seemed too small to let the head
through.

According to the man from Rentokil, anything you can push a Bic Biro
through - say about 6mm diameter. Apparently their skull joints are
flexible, allowing them to pass through holes that are smaller than the
normal head size.

Colin Bignell

In message , Mary Fisher
writes

You'll be suprised where a mouse can get. :-)

At a guess, a 2p piece sized round hole.

You'd get a rat through that!

I'd guess any hole large enough for a woman's little finger.

That's a good guide but it doesn't have to be a round hole. A mouse's skull
is slightly flattened, broader than it's high. A round pencil hole wouldn't
allow a mouse through but squash it a bit and it would. IYKWIM.

I once watched a shrew wriggle through a 5/16" clearance hole. Shoulders
seemed to go one at a time.

regards
--
Tim Lamb

ARWadsworth wrote:
As per the header.

I found a dead mouse today in a CU and the only entry point I could find was
where the tails entered and even that seemed too small to let the head
through.

Adam


if a finger can get through, a mouse can.

"Tim Lamb" wrote in message
...
In message , Mary Fisher
writes

You'll be suprised where a mouse can get. :-)

At a guess, a 2p piece sized round hole.

You'd get a rat through that!

I'd guess any hole large enough for a woman's little finger.

That's a good guide but it doesn't have to be a round hole. A mouse's
skull
is slightly flattened, broader than it's high. A round pencil hole
wouldn't
allow a mouse through but squash it a bit and it would. IYKWIM.

I once watched a shrew wriggle through a 5/16" clearance hole. Shoulders
seemed to go one at a time.

It's fascinating isn't it!

Tt's the rigidity of the skull which determines what size of hole - in
rodents at least, can be accessed.

I can't get my body through a hole my head would go though :-(

Mary.

Mary

regards
--
Tim Lamb

In article ,
dennis@home wrote:
I found a dead mouse today in a CU and the only entry point I could
find was where the tails entered and even that seemed too small to
let the head through.

I have seen them go through 1/2" mesh.

That's a worry. That's what I was supplied with to stop them - I have an
ornamental cast iron grill between the front door steps which help vents
the cellar and has much larger holes than that. But since covering the
inside with mesh a few years ago no signs of mice. Instead of near every
year previously. Perhaps it only stops adult mice, though.

--
*The colder the X-ray table, the more of your body is required on it *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Guy King wrote:
OK, own up, who cross-bred mice with politicians to leave us with a
bunch who can dislocate their jaws so they can lie more convincingly.

You're convinced by the lies? ;-)

--
*Geeks shall inherit the earth *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Mary Fisher wrote:

I can't get my body through a hole my head would go though :-(


Do you have whiskers and pointy front teeth too?

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
Mary Fisher wrote:

I can't get my body through a hole my head would go though :-(


Do you have whiskers and pointy front teeth too?

I'm not answering that!

Owain wrote:
. wrote:
I found a dead mouse today in a CU and the only entry point I could
find was where the tails entered and even that seemed too small to
let the head through.
How small a gap can a mouse get through ? well, measure the hole
where the tails enter the CU and that's about right for ingress.
however, there seems to have been some malfunction of the
mouses egress strategy :-)

Especially as, without food, the mouse should be getting thinner, not
fatter.

Owain

so, someone actually /placed/ the mouse inside the CU ?

the plot thickens.

"." wrote in message
...
Owain wrote:
. wrote:
I found a dead mouse today in a CU and the only entry point I could
find was where the tails entered and even that seemed too small to
let the head through.
How small a gap can a mouse get through ? well, measure the hole
where the tails enter the CU and that's about right for ingress.
however, there seems to have been some malfunction of the
mouses egress strategy :-)

Especially as, without food, the mouse should be getting thinner, not
fatter.

Owain

so, someone actually /placed/ the mouse inside the CU ?

the plot thickens.

Perhaps it got in as a baby and got fat - but insufficiently fed - on the
insulation.

"John White" wrote in message
...
"ARWadsworth" wrote:

I found a dead mouse today in a CU and the only entry point I could find
was
where the tails entered and even that seemed too small to let the head
through.

From personal experience:

They can get through a 1/2" square hole (into an airing cupboard)
without any difficulty. I saw one do this when I surprised the little
bugger one evening.

They can also get through a 20mm knockout even when there are four
2.5mm singles running through it - Have you ever tried removing
carbonised mouse from a three phase isolator?

John
--
John White,
Electrical Contractor

The poor thing I saw had only done 230v so there was no crisping.

Adam

"." wrote:

Mary Fisher wrote:
"." wrote in message
...
Owain wrote:
. wrote:
I found a dead mouse today in a CU and the only entry point I
could find was where the tails entered and even that seemed too
small to let the head through.
How small a gap can a mouse get through ? well, measure the hole
where the tails enter the CU and that's about right for ingress.
however, there seems to have been some malfunction of the
mouses egress strategy :-)

Especially as, without food, the mouse should be getting thinner,
not fatter.

so, someone actually /placed/ the mouse inside the CU ?

the plot thickens.

Perhaps it got in as a baby and got fat - but insufficiently fed - on
the insulation.

nah, without protien the mouse would have became catabolic within
a few hours and it would have started to /lose/ weight.

someone put the mouse in the CU.

question is, why ?

I do wish you wouldn't ask these questions when I've just put the
black helicopter away.

John
--
John White,
Electrical Contractor

ARWadsworth wrote:
"John White" wrote in message
...
"ARWadsworth" wrote:

I found a dead mouse today in a CU and the only entry point I could find
was
where the tails entered and even that seemed too small to let the head
through.
From personal experience:

They can get through a 1/2" square hole (into an airing cupboard)
without any difficulty. I saw one do this when I surprised the little
bugger one evening.

They can also get through a 20mm knockout even when there are four
2.5mm singles running through it - Have you ever tried removing
carbonised mouse from a three phase isolator?

John
--
John White,
Electrical Contractor

The poor thing I saw had only done 230v so there was no crisping.

Adam


I bought a second hand elling lee ceramic hob cooker.

There was a mouse - a mummified mouse BEHIND the Fascia where the knobs
are - I took the thing apart to clean it.

"." wrote in message ...
Mary Fisher wrote:
"." wrote in message
...
Owain wrote:
. wrote:
I found a dead mouse today in a CU and the only entry point I
could find was where the tails entered and even that seemed too
small to let the head through.
How small a gap can a mouse get through ? well, measure the hole
where the tails enter the CU and that's about right for ingress.
however, there seems to have been some malfunction of the
mouses egress strategy :-)

Especially as, without food, the mouse should be getting thinner,
not fatter.

Owain

so, someone actually /placed/ the mouse inside the CU ?

the plot thickens.

Perhaps it got in as a baby and got fat - but insufficiently fed - on
the insulation.

nah, without protien the mouse would have became catabolic within
a few hours and it would have started to /lose/ weight.

someone put the mouse in the CU.

question is, why ?

Perhaps they didn't need it any more, they'd bought a pointer.

"Mary Fisher" typed

I can't get my body through a hole my head would go though :-(

Maybe you can't, but I understand prisons etc are designed on the
principle that some people can...

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Helen D. Vecht:
Edgware.

"Helen Deborah Vecht" wrote in message
...
"Mary Fisher" typed

I can't get my body through a hole my head would go though :-(

Maybe you can't, but I understand prisons etc are designed on the
principle that some people can...

I've no idea about that but I'm just too fat :-)

Mary

--
Helen D. Vecht:
Edgware.

In article
.. wrote:
snip
someone put the mouse in the CU.

question is, why ?


Have you not been watching "Prison Break" on Channel 5?

ARWadsworth wrote:

I found a dead mouse today in a CU

Gives "proving dead" a whole new meaning...

But that's nothing. There was a case here a few years ago that made it
to the local paper. Occupants had noticed a strange smell in the
under-stairs cupboard. Transco could find no gas leak and suggested the
cause might be electrical. An electrician was called and found a dead
*snake* in the consumer unit.

--
Andy

In article ,
Rob Morley wrote:
Have you not been watching "Prison Break" on Channel 5?

Sizzling viewing.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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"Mary Fisher" typed


Maybe you can't, but I understand prisons etc are designed on the
principle that some people can...

I've no idea about that but I'm just too fat :-)

Yebbut some people are 'stick insects'.

Prisons etc have to be built to detain all inmates.

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Helen D. Vecht:
Edgware.

"Helen Deborah Vecht" wrote in message
...
"Mary Fisher" typed


Maybe you can't, but I understand prisons etc are designed on the
principle that some people can...

I've no idea about that but I'm just too fat :-)

Yebbut some people are 'stick insects'.

Prisons etc have to be built to detain all inmates.

Perhaps - my observation was that I couldn't do it :-)

Mary

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Helen D. Vecht:
Edgware.

"Andy Wade" wrote in message
...
ARWadsworth wrote:

I found a dead mouse today in a CU

Gives "proving dead" a whole new meaning...

????

Explain what "proving dead" is please. The mouse certainly was in my opinion
but I am not a vet.

But a snake in a CU. Now that is brilliant. You tell the customer that it is
probably nothing to worry about, open their CU and then tell them it is only
a dead snake that was causing the problem.

Adam

ARWadsworth wrote:

Explain what "proving dead" is please. The mouse certainly was in my opinion
but I am not a vet.

That process of checking that conductors or equipment that you are about
to work on and that you /think/ you've isolated *really* is dead. A
proper formal procedure (e.g. to comply with the EAW regs) involves
using a test lamp or voltage indicator and proving that the indicating
device itself is working both before and after the test.

Plenty of hits on Google, e.g.
http://www.niceic.org.uk/approved/elecatwork.html

--
Andy

"Andy Wade" wrote in message
...
ARWadsworth wrote:

Explain what "proving dead" is please. The mouse certainly was in my
opinion but I am not a vet.

That process of checking that conductors or equipment that you are about
to work on and that you /think/ you've isolated *really* is dead. A
proper formal procedure (e.g. to comply with the EAW regs) involves using
a test lamp or voltage indicator and proving that the indicating device
itself is working both before and after the test.

Plenty of hits on Google, e.g.
http://www.niceic.org.uk/approved/elecatwork.html

--
Andy

Cheers.
Adam