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On 13/06/2018 11:21, Huge wrote:
[snip] Oh, and the last time I bought a label removal kit from Misco, the solvent provided was mostly eucalyptus oil. Made the computer room smell lovely. many of them are Limonene, with a nice orangey smell. |
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On 13/06/2018 07:59, Robin wrote:
Nail salons have been one of the biggest areas of retail growth in recent years so I strongly suspect there is one near you that might well sell you some acetone. On 13/06/2018 07:49, Brian Gaff wrote: Nail varnish remover was very good stuff, but these days I do not have a source for it. It was also good for mending old 8mm movie film. I believe its main ingredient was acetone. Â* Brian Foaming PU adhesive gun cleaner is acetone. You get a big can for far less than nail varnish remover prices. |
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 13:57:17 +0100, Andrew wrote:
At a recent funeral, my brother recounted the time when he was 12 and was able to buy concentrated nitric acid and other chemicals at a high st chemist, to experiment with at home. (1960's). I was buying the same sort of stuff. Same age, same time. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 10:21:55 +0000, Huge wrote:
Oh, and the last time I bought a label removal kit from Misco, the solvent provided was mostly eucalyptus oil. Made the computer room smell lovely. The stuff I have is more like oranges. Works well, then clean it off with IPA. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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On 13/06/18 07:59, Robin wrote:
Nail salons have been one of the biggest areas of retail growth in recent years so I strongly suspect there is one near you that might well sell you some acetone. On 13/06/2018 07:49, Brian Gaff wrote: Nail varnish remover was very good stuff, but these days I do not have a source for it. It was also good for mending old 8mm movie film. I believe its main ingredient was acetone. Â* Brian Glass fibre siuppliers will sell you acetone I always stock up at 'wings'n'wheels as they generally have a fibreglass supplier on the trade lines.. https://www.wingsnwheels.net/ Thouroughly good day out if the weather is nice -- "And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch". Gospel of St. Mathew 15:14 |
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On 13/06/18 09:11, Tricky Dicky wrote:
Acetone aerosols are available from Screwfix et al, it is used for cleaning PU guns. Richard Available all over the place - used a lot on fibre glass work https://www.cfsnet.co.uk/acatalog/CF...etone_533.html -- A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes. |
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On 13/06/18 11:22, fred wrote:
acetone is also used as a varnish thinner. I recently bought 1 litre of it from a specialist fibre glass supplier It is one of the few things that woill dissolve superglue, too. I always like to have a 500ml bottle around. -- How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think. Adolf Hitler |
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On Wednesday, 13 June 2018 10:56:39 UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
On 13/06/2018 08:06, tabbypurr wrote: On Wednesday, 13 June 2018 01:36:16 UTC+1, John Rumm wrote: On 12/06/2018 21:55, tabbypurr wrote: On Tuesday, 12 June 2018 21:14:05 UTC+1, Sean_K wrote: replying to Sean Delere, Sean_K wrote: Reading all these suggestions and wondering why no one has given good old WD40 a try, well I just tried it (since its all I have anyway) and I can honesty say the glue came off like a dream. Look no further: WD40 They did mention white spirit. Why would anyone buy it for 10x the price? Dunno... but since WD40 is not the same as white spirit, what does that have to do with anything? It's nearly 100% white spirit. That's wrong: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WD-40#Formulation 25% mineral oil 12€“18% low vapour pressure aliphatic hydrocarbon "50% 'aliphatic hydrocarbons'. The manufacturer's website claims this ratio in the current formulation cannot accurately be described as Stoddard solvent" So the closest you could claim is a 50% solvent content that is similar to (but different from) white spirit. Check the MSDS, you will note its a different hydrocarbon composition, and a much lower aromatic content than most white spirit: https://cdn.wd40company.eu/wd-40/en-...CT-AEROSOL.pdf Hydrocarbons, C9-C11, n-alkanes, isoalkanes, cyclics, 2% aromatics https://www.barrettinepro.co.uk/uplo...e%20Spirit.pdf hydrocarbons, C9-C12, n-alkanes, isoalkanes, cyclics, aromatics (2-25%) plus white spirit does not evaporate to leave the heavier oil residue like WD40 does. With white spirit the solvent is the product, with WD40 in many applications the solvent is simply the bearer of the product. The small amount of oil doesn't help with adhesive dissolving. That's not even wrong. The mineral oil *may* well help dissolving adhesive - depending on the type of glue. However its a straw man, since it does nothing to support the assertion that its just white spirit anyway. I see they've changed it to try to improve its performance for other things than water displacement. But it still scores bottom of the tests as lubrication & penetrating oil, so not one to recommend. NT |
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On Wednesday, 13 June 2018 16:51:28 UTC+1, Bob Eager wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 13:57:17 +0100, Andrew wrote: At a recent funeral, my brother recounted the time when he was 12 and was able to buy concentrated nitric acid and other chemicals at a high st chemist, to experiment with at home. (1960's). I was buying the same sort of stuff. Same age, same time. I had a friend that liked to buy, er, things that expand very rapidly as a kid & set them off on the beach. I never saw the point in it myself. NT |
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On Thursday, 14 June 2018 09:37:58 UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
On 14/06/2018 08:24, tabbypurr wrote: On Wednesday, 13 June 2018 10:56:39 UTC+1, John Rumm wrote: On 13/06/2018 08:06, tabbypurr wrote: I see they've changed it to try to improve its performance for other things than water displacement. Ah, so is that a thinly veiled, "they changed it when I was not looking - it used to be just white spirit, honest guv!" I didn't say it was white spirit, I said it was white spirit with a little oil. Putting that in funny language changes nothing. Is white spirit an effective water displacement product? But it still scores bottom of the tests as lubrication & penetrating oil, so not one to recommend. Its a general purpose product. It will not necessarily compete with specialist products in each and every category. However many people value it since its a single can of stuff that in many cases will do the job well enough without needing to keep a wide selection of solvents, cleaners, penetrating oils and lubricants on hand. Ah, marketing talk. It's just oil & solvent, all of us have oil and most of us some sort of solvent. And it's consistently at the bottom of the performance table, often in the usually doesn't work category as a 'general purpose product.' Love it if you want, I've no time for it. NT |
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On 14/06/2018 11:51, wrote:
On Thursday, 14 June 2018 09:37:58 UTC+1, John Rumm wrote: On 14/06/2018 08:24, tabbypurr wrote: On Wednesday, 13 June 2018 10:56:39 UTC+1, John Rumm wrote: On 13/06/2018 08:06, tabbypurr wrote: I see they've changed it to try to improve its performance for other things than water displacement. Ah, so is that a thinly veiled, "they changed it when I was not looking - it used to be just white spirit, honest guv!" I didn't say it was white spirit, I said it was white spirit with a little oil. Putting that in funny language changes nothing. Your words "It's nearly 100% white spirit" I thought it prudent to point out that it isn't nearly 100% (or even close), and it isn't technically white spirit either (even if it is a similar petroleum distillate solvent). The "little oil" is actually quite a bit (25%). The quantity of oil per unit volume is in some ways less important, since when using it for lubrication, the purpose of the solvent is to deliver it into position from an aerosol can, and then evaporate, leaving just the oil. Is white spirit an effective water displacement product? But it still scores bottom of the tests as lubrication & penetrating oil, so not one to recommend. Its a general purpose product. It will not necessarily compete with specialist products in each and every category. However many people value it since its a single can of stuff that in many cases will do the job well enough without needing to keep a wide selection of solvents, cleaners, penetrating oils and lubricants on hand. Ah, marketing talk. It's just oil & solvent, all of us have oil and most of us some sort of solvent. I have some 10W30, and some acetone in the workshop... how is that supposed to help? And it's consistently at the bottom of the performance table, often in the usually doesn't work category as a 'general purpose product.' Got any links for these performance tables? Love it if you want, I neither love or hate it. However I find it works well enough for some jobs to make it worth keeping a can around. I've no time for it. Fine, but do you suppose you could stop posting nonsense about it? -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On Thursday, 14 June 2018 17:25:07 UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
On 14/06/2018 11:51, tabbypurr wrote: On Thursday, 14 June 2018 09:37:58 UTC+1, John Rumm wrote: On 14/06/2018 08:24, tabbypurr wrote: On Wednesday, 13 June 2018 10:56:39 UTC+1, John Rumm wrote: On 13/06/2018 08:06, tabbypurr wrote: I see they've changed it to try to improve its performance for other things than water displacement. Ah, so is that a thinly veiled, "they changed it when I was not looking - it used to be just white spirit, honest guv!" I didn't say it was white spirit, I said it was white spirit with a little oil. Putting that in funny language changes nothing. Your words "It's nearly 100% white spirit" I thought it prudent to point out that it isn't nearly 100% (or even close), and it isn't technically white spirit either (even if it is a similar petroleum distillate solvent). The "little oil" is actually quite a bit (25%). The quantity of oil per unit volume is in some ways less important, since when using it for lubrication, the purpose of the solvent is to deliver it into position from an aerosol can, and then evaporate, leaving just the oil. Is white spirit an effective water displacement product? But it still scores bottom of the tests as lubrication & penetrating oil, so not one to recommend. Its a general purpose product. It will not necessarily compete with specialist products in each and every category. However many people value it since its a single can of stuff that in many cases will do the job well enough without needing to keep a wide selection of solvents, cleaners, penetrating oils and lubricants on hand. Ah, marketing talk. It's just oil & solvent, all of us have oil and most of us some sort of solvent. I have some 10W30, and some acetone in the workshop... how is that supposed to help? And it's consistently at the bottom of the performance table, often in the usually doesn't work category as a 'general purpose product.' Got any links for these performance tables? Love it if you want, I neither love or hate it. However I find it works well enough for some jobs to make it worth keeping a can around. I've no time for it. Fine, but do you suppose you could stop posting nonsense about it? 1. I said it was nearly all white spirit. It was. 2. One performance tested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0kIPEzeTQ8 If you have tests showing it's of decent quality, let's see them. NT |
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On 14/06/2018 17:56, wrote:
On Thursday, 14 June 2018 17:25:07 UTC+1, John Rumm wrote: On 14/06/2018 11:51, tabbypurr wrote: On Thursday, 14 June 2018 09:37:58 UTC+1, John Rumm wrote: On 14/06/2018 08:24, tabbypurr wrote: On Wednesday, 13 June 2018 10:56:39 UTC+1, John Rumm wrote: On 13/06/2018 08:06, tabbypurr wrote: I see they've changed it to try to improve its performance for other things than water displacement. Ah, so is that a thinly veiled, "they changed it when I was not looking - it used to be just white spirit, honest guv!" I didn't say it was white spirit, I said it was white spirit with a little oil. Putting that in funny language changes nothing. Your words "It's nearly 100% white spirit" I thought it prudent to point out that it isn't nearly 100% (or even close), and it isn't technically white spirit either (even if it is a similar petroleum distillate solvent). The "little oil" is actually quite a bit (25%). The quantity of oil per unit volume is in some ways less important, since when using it for lubrication, the purpose of the solvent is to deliver it into position from an aerosol can, and then evaporate, leaving just the oil. Is white spirit an effective water displacement product? But it still scores bottom of the tests as lubrication & penetrating oil, so not one to recommend. Its a general purpose product. It will not necessarily compete with specialist products in each and every category. However many people value it since its a single can of stuff that in many cases will do the job well enough without needing to keep a wide selection of solvents, cleaners, penetrating oils and lubricants on hand. Ah, marketing talk. It's just oil & solvent, all of us have oil and most of us some sort of solvent. I have some 10W30, and some acetone in the workshop... how is that supposed to help? And it's consistently at the bottom of the performance table, often in the usually doesn't work category as a 'general purpose product.' Got any links for these performance tables? Love it if you want, I neither love or hate it. However I find it works well enough for some jobs to make it worth keeping a can around. I've no time for it. Fine, but do you suppose you could stop posting nonsense about it? 1. I said it was nearly all white spirit. It was. In your imagination it seems. 2. One performance tested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0kIPEzeTQ8 Ah yes, that would be the one where he sprays WD40 on a bolt and then later points to a different one and claims it was the WD40 one... If you have tests showing it's of decent quality, let's see them. You are the one making wacky claims... -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On Friday, 15 June 2018 00:03:30 UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
On 14/06/2018 17:56, tabbypurr wrote: On Thursday, 14 June 2018 17:25:07 UTC+1, John Rumm wrote: On 14/06/2018 11:51, tabbypurr wrote: On Thursday, 14 June 2018 09:37:58 UTC+1, John Rumm wrote: On 14/06/2018 08:24, tabbypurr wrote: On Wednesday, 13 June 2018 10:56:39 UTC+1, John Rumm wrote: On 13/06/2018 08:06, tabbypurr wrote: I see they've changed it to try to improve its performance for other things than water displacement. Ah, so is that a thinly veiled, "they changed it when I was not looking - it used to be just white spirit, honest guv!" I didn't say it was white spirit, I said it was white spirit with a little oil. Putting that in funny language changes nothing. Your words "It's nearly 100% white spirit" I thought it prudent to point out that it isn't nearly 100% (or even close), and it isn't technically white spirit either (even if it is a similar petroleum distillate solvent). The "little oil" is actually quite a bit (25%). The quantity of oil per unit volume is in some ways less important, since when using it for lubrication, the purpose of the solvent is to deliver it into position from an aerosol can, and then evaporate, leaving just the oil. Is white spirit an effective water displacement product? But it still scores bottom of the tests as lubrication & penetrating oil, so not one to recommend. Its a general purpose product. It will not necessarily compete with specialist products in each and every category. However many people value it since its a single can of stuff that in many cases will do the job well enough without needing to keep a wide selection of solvents, cleaners, penetrating oils and lubricants on hand. Ah, marketing talk. It's just oil & solvent, all of us have oil and most of us some sort of solvent. I have some 10W30, and some acetone in the workshop... how is that supposed to help? And it's consistently at the bottom of the performance table, often in the usually doesn't work category as a 'general purpose product.' Got any links for these performance tables? Love it if you want, I neither love or hate it. However I find it works well enough for some jobs to make it worth keeping a can around. I've no time for it. Fine, but do you suppose you could stop posting nonsense about it? 1. I said it was nearly all white spirit. It was. In your imagination it seems. 2. One performance tested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0kIPEzeTQ8 Ah yes, that would be the one where he sprays WD40 on a bolt and then later points to a different one and claims it was the WD40 one... If you have tests showing it's of decent quality, let's see them. You are the one making wacky claims... So you don't have any. OK. NT |
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On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 00:03:26 +0100
John Rumm wrote: Ah yes, that would be the one where he sprays WD40 on a bolt and then later points to a different one and claims it was the WD40 one... The one where he goes "That's what it looks like, I don't like the smell, this one's good, this one's bad ..." I really wouldn't want to have to make a decision about anything based on that nonsense. But everyone should know that GT85 is the best[1] and WD40 sucks rotten eggs. [1] Except Plus Gas and LPS3 and other good stuff. Tri-Flow anyone? (I just happen to have some on my desk - I have yet to try it.) |
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On Friday, 15 June 2018 16:40:04 UTC+1, Rob Morley wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 00:03:26 +0100 John Rumm wrote: Ah yes, that would be the one where he sprays WD40 on a bolt and then later points to a different one and claims it was the WD40 one... The one where he goes "That's what it looks like, I don't like the smell, this one's good, this one's bad ..." I really wouldn't want to have to make a decision about anything based on that nonsense. But everyone should know that GT85 is the best[1] and WD40 sucks rotten eggs. [1] Except Plus Gas and LPS3 and other good stuff. Tri-Flow anyone? (I just happen to have some on my desk - I have yet to try it.) With respect this info comes from mechanics with many years of experience. NT |
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wrote in message ... On Friday, 15 June 2018 16:40:04 UTC+1, Rob Morley wrote: On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 00:03:26 +0100 John Rumm wrote: Ah yes, that would be the one where he sprays WD40 on a bolt and then later points to a different one and claims it was the WD40 one... The one where he goes "That's what it looks like, I don't like the smell, this one's good, this one's bad ..." I really wouldn't want to have to make a decision about anything based on that nonsense. But everyone should know that GT85 is the best[1] and WD40 sucks rotten eggs. [1] Except Plus Gas and LPS3 and other good stuff. Tri-Flow anyone? (I just happen to have some on my desk - I have yet to try it.) With respect this info comes from mechanics with many years of experience. The one who just used WD40 on my bonnet hinges is that in spades. And it worked fine too. |
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2018 12:12:11 +1000, cantankerous geezer Rot Speed blabbered,
again: The one where he goes "That's what it looks like, I don't like the smell, this one's good, this one's bad ..." I really wouldn't want to have to make a decision about anything based on that nonsense. But everyone should know that GT85 is the best[1] and WD40 sucks rotten eggs. [1] Except Plus Gas and LPS3 and other good stuff. Tri-Flow anyone? (I just happen to have some on my desk - I have yet to try it.) With respect this info comes from mechanics with many years of experience. The one who just used WD40 on my bonnet hinges is that in spades. And it worked fine too. Of COURSE, Mr Know-it-all! -- Sqwertz to Rot Speed: "This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative asshole. MID: |
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On Monday, 18 June 2018 21:43:30 UTC+1, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 13/06/2018 08:06, tabbypurr wrote: On Wednesday, 13 June 2018 01:36:16 UTC+1, John Rumm wrote: Dunno... but since WD40 is not the same as white spirit, what does that have to do with anything? It's nearly 100% white spirit. The small amount of oil doesn't help with adhesive dissolving. What's the sticky residue that gums things up? Andy oils tend to react over time, forming a tough gum. Some are a lot worse than others at this. I can't remember whether it's oxidation or polymerisation. NT |
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On Tuesday, 19 June 2018 21:35:50 UTC+1, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 19/06/2018 11:49, tabbypurr wrote: On Monday, 18 June 2018 21:43:30 UTC+1, Vir Campestris wrote: On 13/06/2018 08:06, tabbypurr wrote: On Wednesday, 13 June 2018 01:36:16 UTC+1, John Rumm wrote: Dunno... but since WD40 is not the same as white spirit, what does that have to do with anything? It's nearly 100% white spirit. The small amount of oil doesn't help with adhesive dissolving. What's the sticky residue that gums things up? Andy oils tend to react over time, forming a tough gum. Some are a lot worse than others at this. I can't remember whether it's oxidation or polymerisation. WD40 leaves a sticky residue within minutes, as soon as the solvent dries. I understood this is what makes it keep working - but it also make it crap as a lubricant. It's too fast to be oxidation. Andy oil can be sticky. AIUI the high solvent content tends to wash lubricant out, that's a problem. NT |
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