I've been given 2 gas bottles of Butane, now can i use this on my patio
heater and BBQ, the patio heater says only Propane. Havent got my bbq
manual handy yet.

Anyone know if this is safe?

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
htmark98 wrote:

I've been given 2 gas bottles of Butane, now can i use this on my
patio heater and BBQ, the patio heater says only Propane. Havent got
my bbq manual handy yet.

Anyone know if this is safe?

As long as you use a proper butane regulator, it's not inherently unsafe.
You will need to make sure that the regulator can deliver an adequate flow
rate - one designed for a caravan may be marginal. How well it works will
depend, to some extent, on the ambient temperature in which you operate it.
As with caravans, butane doesn't work anything like as well as propane in
the winter because it won't vapourise at low temperatures. If you're
thinking of using now, forget it - but if you only want to use it on cool
summer evenings, it will probably be ok.
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htmark98 wrote:
I've been given 2 gas bottles of Butane, now can i use this on my patio
heater and BBQ, the patio heater says only Propane. Havent got my bbq
manual handy yet.

Anyone know if this is safe?

No, at least not without a different regulator (that's normally the bit
which sits on the gas cylinder, and drops the pressure from cylinder
pressure to the low pressure used by the appliance.

David

Do you know if i could exchange these bottles for Propane ones?

On 28 Feb 2006 14:57:28 -0800, "htmark98"
wrote:

Do you know if i could exchange these bottles for Propane ones?


There is normally a rental/deposit for the cylinder and then you get
refills.

If you take the cylinder to somewhere that sells that brand of gas,
they may give you something back on an empty, but not otherwise.


--

..andy

On 28 Feb 2006 14:43:57 -0800, "htmark98"
wrote:

I've been given 2 gas bottles of Butane, now can i use this on my patio
heater and BBQ, the patio heater says only Propane. Havent got my bbq
manual handy yet.

Anyone know if this is safe?

Why not just wear an extra jumper and help to save the ozone layer?

--
Frank Erskine

Andy Hall wrote:
"htmark98" wrote:
Do you know if i could exchange these bottles for Propane ones?

There is normally a rental/deposit for the cylinder and then you get
refills.

If you take the cylinder to somewhere that sells that brand of gas,
they may give you something back on an empty, but not otherwise.

A little while ago, I returned a couple of gas bottles that I
had noticed abandoned. Calor were giving £5 per returned bottle
to charity. I don't know whether they still are, their web site
will say. N.B. Calor will only take back their bottles, if they're
a differend "make", they'll have to go back to whoevers they are.

On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:08:29 +0000, Frank Erskine wrote:

On 28 Feb 2006 14:43:57 -0800, "htmark98"
wrote:

I've been given 2 gas bottles of Butane, now can i use this on my patio
heater and BBQ, the patio heater says only Propane. Havent got my bbq
manual handy yet.

Anyone know if this is safe?

Why not just wear an extra jumper and help to save the ozone layer?

Because wearing any number of jumpers, whether or not you use a patio
heater (running on propane and/or butane) is not likely to make much
difference to the ozone layer.

It might have some effect on global warming though ...

In message .com,
htmark98 writes
I've been given 2 gas bottles of Butane, now can i use this on my patio
heater and BBQ, the patio heater says only Propane. Havent got my bbq
manual handy yet.

Anyone know if this is safe?

For the environment ?

No

for you ?

I hope not

--
geoff

raden wrote:
htmark98 writes
I've been given 2 gas bottles of Butane, now can i use this on my patio
heater and BBQ, the patio heater says only Propane. Havent got my bbq
manual handy yet.

Anyone know if this is safe?

For the environment ?

No

for you ?

I hope not

Well, if He Gets some fine mesh - a tea-strainer, for instance -
and puts this OVER the threads BEFORE TIGHTENING the Connection,
then some of the Big Butane Moleculars will be sliced (or "CRACKED",
in Technical Languadge) up *into little bits* as they pass through
the Mecanism, and the BIG little BITS Left Over will be propaine,
and the little bits will be Meethane, or mainly so (WE WON'T worry
about the intricacys as this isn't a TECHNICAL NECESSITY) and they
might BURN as there sposed too in the BURNER, the smorl chemical
Entitys left over will be totally combusticated also as well...
Any Leeks can be prevented with a pair of old socks, moistened
with egg white, and tested by waving a gasometer about in the
general vicinity.

In message , Andy Hall
writes
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:24:24 GMT, John Stumbles
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:08:29 +0000, Frank Erskine wrote:

On 28 Feb 2006 14:43:57 -0800, "htmark98"
wrote:

I've been given 2 gas bottles of Butane, now can i use this on my patio
heater and BBQ, the patio heater says only Propane. Havent got my bbq
manual handy yet.

Anyone know if this is safe?

Why not just wear an extra jumper and help to save the ozone layer?

Because wearing any number of jumpers, whether or not you use a patio
heater (running on propane and/or butane) is not likely to make much
difference to the ozone layer.

It might have some effect on global warming though ...


You'd need a lot of patio heaters to do that :-)

You only need enough idiots with one each

--
geoff

On 28 Feb 2006 14:43:57 -0800, htmark98 wrote:

I've been given 2 gas bottles of Butane, now can i use this on my patio
heater and BBQ, the patio heater says only Propane.

Take them to your dealer and swap them.

--
Nigel M

On 28 Feb 2006 14:43:57 -0800, "htmark98"
wrote:

I've been given 2 gas bottles of Butane, now can i use this on my patio
heater and BBQ, the patio heater says only Propane. Havent got my bbq
manual handy yet.

In this weather, butane won't vapourise well enough outdoors to be
useful.

To get it to work at all, you might use the same regulator but you'll
need a different fitting to the cylinder. Propane fittings are female
(bottle side) butane fittings are male (old) or bayonet (most of them).
Converters are rare, and most smaller regulators have their fittings
integral, so it's usual to swap the regulator on the hose.

As to adjustment of the the carburation, then this is the normal problem
of adjusting to avoid CO output. For crude burners (excess air supply)
this is a very insensitive adjustment. For an indoor heater it's more
criticial.

Gas bottle renters only want their own brand back (although the chains
of ownership are complicated now and so they may also take some other
brands that are now part of the same chain). Council dumps will take
bottles if you want rid. They also sell "empties" for a couple of quid,
which is much cheaper than buying a brand new cylinder and paying a
deposit on it.

The message
from Chris Bacon contains these words:

A little while ago, I returned a couple of gas bottles that I
had noticed abandoned.

They make excellent chimineas. Cut a door and a smoke-hole, weld on a
few feet of steel pipe and some legs...

--
Skipweasel
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

On 28 Feb 2006 14:57:28 -0800, "htmark98" wrote:

|Do you know if i could exchange these bottles for Propane ones?

Some places do, and some places don't. IME Calor Agents never.
--
Dave Fawthrop dave hyphenologist co uk
Freedom of Speech, Expression, Religion, and Democracy are
the keys to Civilization, together with legal acceptance of
Fundamental Human rights.

Thanks everyone, they are not for not but summer time. From May
onwards.

They are both Flogas so might see who my local stockists are and go
from there, it's gonna cost me more money for a butane connection.

Thanks anyway.

Guy King wrote:

Cut a door [snip]

And a safe method for doing that is?

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...
Guy King wrote:

Cut a door [snip]

And a safe method for doing that is?

You should be fine if you remove the valve and fill the cylinder with water
to ensure all the gas has been dispersed.
(Do this outside or you may get wet floors.)

Then use a hacksaw or an angle grinder.

Emptying the cylinder is the biggest problem if you don't have anything that
burns gas.

The message
from Andy Burns contains these words:

Cut a door [snip]

And a safe method for doing that is?

Empty the cylinder, remove the valve, fill with water, empty the water
and then do whatever you like. Last time I did anything to a cylinder I
cut it with a grinder.

--
Skipweasel
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

"Lobster" wrote in message
...
htmark98 wrote:
I've been given 2 gas bottles of Butane, now can i use this on my patio
heater and BBQ, the patio heater says only Propane. Havent got my bbq
manual handy yet.

Anyone know if this is safe?

No, at least not without a different regulator (that's normally the bit
which sits on the gas cylinder, and drops the pressure from cylinder
pressure to the low pressure used by the appliance.

Not sure I agree. I converted a camping cooker once from butane to propane
(or perhaps the other way round) by changing the jets, but this didn't have
a regulator. To a first approximation I would expect propane and butane to
burn OK at the same pressure in a patio heater, although it does depend a
bit on the jet and burner design. Suck it and see. It's not going to explode
on you. If the regulator thread fits on the butane bottle the consequences
can't be that bad. The CO level might be a bit different with the wrong gas
but this won't matter as long as it is on a patio, surely? Someone tell me I
am wrong. (the Dennis@home and Guy King threads that show in my reader seem
to belong to a different posting)

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Newshound wrote:


Not sure I agree. I converted a camping cooker once from butane to
propane (or perhaps the other way round) by changing the jets, but
this didn't have a regulator.

That would have been a high pressure cooker, designed to run straight off a
bottle. Patio heaters are designed to run at 37 mB, using a regulator.

To a first approximation I would expect
propane and butane to burn OK at the same pressure in a patio heater,
although it does depend a bit on the jet and burner design. Suck it
and see.

Butane regulators are a slightly different pressure (I forget what it is -
35?) - but caravan appliances will run happily on either, so I imagine that
a patio heater will work ok on butane as long as the regulator can deliver
sufficient flow to keep up with the 10kW (or whatever) consumption. As I
said in an earlier post, butane is pretty useless this time of year, but ok
for the summer.
--
Cheers,
Roger
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