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F February 1st 06 12:02 AM

Disconnecting gas cooker
 
We need to disconnect my father's gas cooker to ensure he can't use it -
turn gas on and forget to light it scenario.

Is it acceptable to simply disconnect the flexible hose? Is the fitting
it connects to sufficiently gas tight over time?

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The3rd Earl Of Derby February 1st 06 01:10 AM

Disconnecting gas cooker
 
F wrote:
We need to disconnect my father's gas cooker to ensure he can't use
it - turn gas on and forget to light it scenario.

Is it acceptable to simply disconnect the flexible hose? Is the
fitting it connects to sufficiently gas tight over time?


If its the bayonet(push-fit) type? the valve will close and stay closed.
If screw, this needs to be capped.
--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite



John Rumm February 1st 06 02:55 AM

Disconnecting gas cooker
 
The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:

If its the bayonet(push-fit) type? the valve will close and stay closed.
If screw, this needs to be capped.


If it is to remain disconnected then you should not rely on the bayonet
fitting to remain gas tight - it ought to be capped.

(even if disconnecting short term it is good plan to check it for gas
soundness)


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Cheers,

John.

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The3rd Earl Of Derby February 1st 06 03:21 AM

Disconnecting gas cooker
 
John Rumm wrote:
The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:

If its the bayonet(push-fit) type? the valve will close and stay
closed. If screw, this needs to be capped.


If it is to remain disconnected then you should not rely on the
bayonet fitting to remain gas tight - it ought to be capped.

Wouldn't you say that if that was the case then this is a faulty coupler?

By the way where does one obtain a capping for bayonet coupler?

(even if disconnecting short term it is good plan to check it for gas
soundness)



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Fentoozler February 1st 06 06:11 AM

Disconnecting gas cooker
 
"The3rd Earl Of Derby" wrote in message
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John Rumm wrote:
The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:

If its the bayonet(push-fit) type? the valve will close and stay
closed. If screw, this needs to be capped.


If it is to remain disconnected then you should not rely on the
bayonet fitting to remain gas tight - it ought to be capped.

Wouldn't you say that if that was the case then this is a faulty coupler?

By the way where does one obtain a capping for bayonet coupler?

(even if disconnecting short term it is good plan to check it for gas
soundness)



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John is correct, a bayonet fitting should not be left unused and a 3/4"
threaded cap screwed onto the backplate in its place.

Angus



Dave Fawthrop February 1st 06 07:36 AM

Disconnecting gas cooker
 
On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 00:02:49 +0000, F wrote:

|We need to disconnect my father's gas cooker to ensure he can't use it -
|turn gas on and forget to light it scenario.
|
|Is it acceptable to simply disconnect the flexible hose? Is the fitting
|it connects to sufficiently gas tight over time?

Could you not replace the gas cooker with a new one with Flame Failure
Devices fitted? I have them in the caravan and they seem very fool proof.
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character, previous post sniped to only the bit you are replying to.
Threads often contain 100s of posts dozens layers deep. Other people
use different newsreaders, they do not see or do what you see and do.

John February 1st 06 10:09 AM

Disconnecting gas cooker
 

"Fentoozler" nospam@mapson wrote in message
...
"The3rd Earl Of Derby" wrote in message
. uk...
John Rumm wrote:
The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:

If its the bayonet(push-fit) type? the valve will close and stay
closed. If screw, this needs to be capped.

If it is to remain disconnected then you should not rely on the
bayonet fitting to remain gas tight - it ought to be capped.

Wouldn't you say that if that was the case then this is a faulty coupler?

By the way where does one obtain a capping for bayonet coupler?

(even if disconnecting short term it is good plan to check it for gas
soundness)



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--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite



John is correct, a bayonet fitting should not be left unused and a 3/4"
threaded cap screwed onto the backplate in its place.

Angus

I'm trying to visualise a standard bayonet whch has a 3/4" connection. I
only ever came acrosss 1/2".

To the OP If its one of the mini bayonets IIRC a sealing cap is already
available from BES



John February 1st 06 10:09 AM

Disconnecting gas cooker
 

"Dave Fawthrop" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 00:02:49 +0000, F wrote:

|We need to disconnect my father's gas cooker to ensure he can't use it -
|turn gas on and forget to light it scenario.
|
|Is it acceptable to simply disconnect the flexible hose? Is the fitting
|it connects to sufficiently gas tight over time?

Could you not replace the gas cooker with a new one with Flame Failure
Devices fitted? I have them in the caravan and they seem very fool
proof.


If he's forgetting to light the gas he's probably in danger of setting his
sleeves etc on fire with a naked flame. An electric cooker might be a lot
safer in the long run (or meals on wheels).



F February 1st 06 01:01 PM

Disconnecting gas cooker
 
On 01/02/2006 10:09 John wrote:

An electric cooker might be a lot safer in the long run (or meals on
wheels).


Using a microwave now. Sadly, meals on wheels would be next.

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F February 1st 06 01:04 PM

Disconnecting gas cooker
 
Thanks for the responses.

On 01/02/2006 10:09 John wrote:

To the OP If its one of the mini bayonets IIRC a sealing cap is already
available from BES


If I get one, am I allowed to fit it? I'm not a corgi but we do have a cat!

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John Rumm February 1st 06 01:32 PM

Disconnecting gas cooker
 
F wrote:

If I get one, am I allowed to fit it? I'm not a corgi but we do have a cat!


To paraphrase Dirty Harry: "Ask yourself a question: do you feel
competant punk?"

Give it a test when done to make sure there are no leaks - a can of leak
detection spray, or failing that, some soapy water (wash any soap
residue off after)


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Cheers,

John.

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The3rd Earl Of Derby February 1st 06 02:14 PM

Disconnecting gas cooker
 
Fentoozler wrote:
"The3rd Earl Of Derby" wrote in message
. uk...
John Rumm wrote:
The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:

If its the bayonet(push-fit) type? the valve will close and stay
closed. If screw, this needs to be capped.

If it is to remain disconnected then you should not rely on the
bayonet fitting to remain gas tight - it ought to be capped.

Wouldn't you say that if that was the case then this is a faulty
coupler?

By the way where does one obtain a capping for bayonet coupler?

(even if disconnecting short term it is good plan to check it for
gas soundness)



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John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk |
\================================================= ================/


--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite



John is correct, a bayonet fitting should not be left unused and a
3/4" threaded cap screwed onto the backplate in its place.

Angus


Thread cap?mines just a bayonet fitting.

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite



The3rd Earl Of Derby February 1st 06 02:20 PM

Disconnecting gas cooker
 
John wrote:
"Fentoozler" nospam@mapson wrote in message
...
"The3rd Earl Of Derby" wrote in message
. uk...
John Rumm wrote:
The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:

If its the bayonet(push-fit) type? the valve will close and stay
closed. If screw, this needs to be capped.

If it is to remain disconnected then you should not rely on the
bayonet fitting to remain gas tight - it ought to be capped.

Wouldn't you say that if that was the case then this is a faulty
coupler?

By the way where does one obtain a capping for bayonet coupler?

(even if disconnecting short term it is good plan to check it for
gas soundness)



/================================================== ===============\
Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk |
-----------------------------------------------------------------|
John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk |
\================================================= ================/

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite



John is correct, a bayonet fitting should not be left unused and a
3/4" threaded cap screwed onto the backplate in its place.

Angus

I'm trying to visualise a standard bayonet whch has a 3/4"
connection. I only ever came acrosss 1/2".

To the OP If its one of the mini bayonets IIRC a sealing cap is
already available from BES


Are they on their site?

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite



powerstation February 1st 06 02:51 PM

Disconnecting gas cooker
 

"The3rd Earl Of Derby" wrote in message
k...
John wrote:
"Fentoozler" nospam@mapson wrote in message
...
"The3rd Earl Of Derby" wrote in message
. uk...
John Rumm wrote:
The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:

If its the bayonet(push-fit) type? the valve will close and stay
closed. If screw, this needs to be capped.

If it is to remain disconnected then you should not rely on the
bayonet fitting to remain gas tight - it ought to be capped.

Wouldn't you say that if that was the case then this is a faulty
coupler?

By the way where does one obtain a capping for bayonet coupler?

(even if disconnecting short term it is good plan to check it for
gas soundness)



/================================================== ===============\
Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk |
-----------------------------------------------------------------|
John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk |
\================================================= ================/

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite



John is correct, a bayonet fitting should not be left unused and a
3/4" threaded cap screwed onto the backplate in its place.

Angus

I'm trying to visualise a standard bayonet whch has a 3/4"
connection. I only ever came acrosss 1/2".

To the OP If its one of the mini bayonets IIRC a sealing cap is
already available from BES


Are they on their site?

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

I think he means a 1/2" bsp male plug to screw into the backplate AFTER
removal of the bayonet not a cap to go on the bayonet but please do correct
me if i am wrong.



The3rd Earl Of Derby February 1st 06 03:10 PM

Disconnecting gas cooker
 
powerstation wrote:
"The3rd Earl Of Derby" wrote in message
k...
John wrote:
"Fentoozler" nospam@mapson wrote in message
...
"The3rd Earl Of Derby" wrote in message
. uk...
John Rumm wrote:
The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:

If its the bayonet(push-fit) type? the valve will close and stay
closed. If screw, this needs to be capped.

If it is to remain disconnected then you should not rely on the
bayonet fitting to remain gas tight - it ought to be capped.

Wouldn't you say that if that was the case then this is a faulty
coupler?

By the way where does one obtain a capping for bayonet coupler?

(even if disconnecting short term it is good plan to check it for
gas soundness)



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John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk |
\================================================= ================/

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite



John is correct, a bayonet fitting should not be left unused and a
3/4" threaded cap screwed onto the backplate in its place.

Angus

I'm trying to visualise a standard bayonet whch has a 3/4"
connection. I only ever came acrosss 1/2".

To the OP If its one of the mini bayonets IIRC a sealing cap is
already available from BES


Are they on their site?

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

I think he means a 1/2" bsp male plug to screw into the backplate
AFTER removal of the bayonet not a cap to go on the bayonet but
please do correct me if i am wrong.


Backplate? I'm assuming we are talking the oven here? if so then you dont
disconnect the pipe from oven, its disconnected via the wall valve coupler
itself.

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite



powerstation February 1st 06 03:17 PM

Disconnecting gas cooker
 

"The3rd Earl Of Derby" wrote in message
k...
powerstation wrote:
"The3rd Earl Of Derby" wrote in message
k...
John wrote:
"Fentoozler" nospam@mapson wrote in message
...
"The3rd Earl Of Derby" wrote in message
. uk...
John Rumm wrote:
The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:

If its the bayonet(push-fit) type? the valve will close and stay
closed. If screw, this needs to be capped.

If it is to remain disconnected then you should not rely on the
bayonet fitting to remain gas tight - it ought to be capped.

Wouldn't you say that if that was the case then this is a faulty
coupler?

By the way where does one obtain a capping for bayonet coupler?

(even if disconnecting short term it is good plan to check it for
gas soundness)



/================================================== ===============\
Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk
|

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\================================================= ================/

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite



John is correct, a bayonet fitting should not be left unused and a
3/4" threaded cap screwed onto the backplate in its place.

Angus

I'm trying to visualise a standard bayonet whch has a 3/4"
connection. I only ever came acrosss 1/2".

To the OP If its one of the mini bayonets IIRC a sealing cap is
already available from BES

Are they on their site?

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

I think he means a 1/2" bsp male plug to screw into the backplate
AFTER removal of the bayonet not a cap to go on the bayonet but
please do correct me if i am wrong.


Backplate? I'm assuming we are talking the oven here? if so then you dont
disconnect the pipe from oven, its disconnected via the wall valve coupler
itself.

nooooo the part the bayonet screws into on the wall is a wallplate or
backplate fitting http://www.bes.ltd.uk/products/142b.asp



The3rd Earl Of Derby February 1st 06 03:22 PM

Disconnecting gas cooker
 
powerstation wrote:
"The3rd Earl Of Derby" wrote in message
k...
powerstation wrote:
"The3rd Earl Of Derby" wrote in message
k...
John wrote:
"Fentoozler" nospam@mapson wrote in message
...
"The3rd Earl Of Derby" wrote in message
. uk...
John Rumm wrote:
The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:

If its the bayonet(push-fit) type? the valve will close and
stay closed. If screw, this needs to be capped.

If it is to remain disconnected then you should not rely on the
bayonet fitting to remain gas tight - it ought to be capped.

Wouldn't you say that if that was the case then this is a faulty
coupler?

By the way where does one obtain a capping for bayonet coupler?

(even if disconnecting short term it is good plan to check it
for gas soundness)




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|
John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk |

\================================================= ================/

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite



John is correct, a bayonet fitting should not be left unused and
a 3/4" threaded cap screwed onto the backplate in its place.

Angus

I'm trying to visualise a standard bayonet whch has a 3/4"
connection. I only ever came acrosss 1/2".

To the OP If its one of the mini bayonets IIRC a sealing cap is
already available from BES

Are they on their site?

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

I think he means a 1/2" bsp male plug to screw into the backplate
AFTER removal of the bayonet not a cap to go on the bayonet but
please do correct me if i am wrong.


Backplate? I'm assuming we are talking the oven here? if so then you
dont disconnect the pipe from oven, its disconnected via the wall
valve coupler itself.

nooooo the part the bayonet screws into on the wall is a wallplate or
backplate fitting http://www.bes.ltd.uk/products/142b.asp


Sorry, most of the properties I've come across, the couplers have been free
standing pipeing being secured via wall clamps.
--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite



Fentoozler February 1st 06 05:46 PM

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"John" wrote in message
...

"Fentoozler" nospam@mapson wrote in message
...
"The3rd Earl Of Derby" wrote in message
. uk...
John Rumm wrote:
The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:

If its the bayonet(push-fit) type? the valve will close and stay
closed. If screw, this needs to be capped.

If it is to remain disconnected then you should not rely on the
bayonet fitting to remain gas tight - it ought to be capped.

Wouldn't you say that if that was the case then this is a faulty
coupler?

By the way where does one obtain a capping for bayonet coupler?

(even if disconnecting short term it is good plan to check it for gas
soundness)



/================================================== ===============\
Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk |
-----------------------------------------------------------------|
John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk |
\================================================= ================/

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite



John is correct, a bayonet fitting should not be left unused and a 3/4"
threaded cap screwed onto the backplate in its place.

Angus

I'm trying to visualise a standard bayonet whch has a 3/4" connection. I
only ever came acrosss 1/2".

To the OP If its one of the mini bayonets IIRC a sealing cap is already
available from BES


I did mean 1/2" - sorry (it was early)!

Angus



tarquinlinbin February 1st 06 06:10 PM

Disconnecting gas cooker
 
On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 00:02:49 +0000, F
wrote:

We need to disconnect my father's gas cooker to ensure he can't use it -
turn gas on and forget to light it scenario.

Is it acceptable to simply disconnect the flexible hose? Is the fitting
it connects to sufficiently gas tight over time?

Not always..



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Jim Gregory February 1st 06 06:11 PM

Disconnecting gas cooker
 
"F" wrote in message
...
On 01/02/2006 10:09 John wrote:

An electric cooker might be a lot safer in the long run (or meals on
wheels).


Using a microwave now. Sadly, meals on wheels would be next.

--
F
(Beware of spam trap - remove the negative)


Good idea. You must harp on about -never- using metal-foil containers (Meals
on Wheels often supply portions in these) nor leaving any steel cutlery
inside.
My own parents-in-law are both very elderly, yet can usefully cook with
their 700W microwave oven.
Jim



John February 1st 06 07:41 PM

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"powerstation" wrote in message
...

"The3rd Earl Of Derby" wrote in message
k...
John wrote:
"Fentoozler" nospam@mapson wrote in message
...
"The3rd Earl Of Derby" wrote in message
. uk...
John Rumm wrote:
The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:

If its the bayonet(push-fit) type? the valve will close and stay
closed. If screw, this needs to be capped.

If it is to remain disconnected then you should not rely on the
bayonet fitting to remain gas tight - it ought to be capped.

Wouldn't you say that if that was the case then this is a faulty
coupler?

By the way where does one obtain a capping for bayonet coupler?

(even if disconnecting short term it is good plan to check it for
gas soundness)



/================================================== ===============\
Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk |
-----------------------------------------------------------------|
John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk |
\================================================= ================/

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite



John is correct, a bayonet fitting should not be left unused and a
3/4" threaded cap screwed onto the backplate in its place.

Angus

I'm trying to visualise a standard bayonet whch has a 3/4"
connection. I only ever came acrosss 1/2".

To the OP If its one of the mini bayonets IIRC a sealing cap is
already available from BES


Are they on their site?

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

I think he means a 1/2" bsp male plug to screw into the backplate AFTER
removal of the bayonet not a cap to go on the bayonet but please do
correct me if i am wrong.

Thats the way for the "female" bayonet which is commonest but there is a
"male" bayonet somewhat smaller and the cap I meant is for that type. All
that would be needed for this type is to put it on the projecting bayonet to
close it off. A leak test would of course be advisable.

For the old female type you are of course correct.



Ed Sirett February 1st 06 08:05 PM

Disconnecting gas cooker
 
On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 10:09:44 +0000, John wrote:


"Fentoozler" nospam@mapson wrote in message
...
"The3rd Earl Of Derby" wrote in message
. uk...
John Rumm wrote:
The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:

If its the bayonet(push-fit) type? the valve will close and stay
closed. If screw, this needs to be capped.

If it is to remain disconnected then you should not rely on the
bayonet fitting to remain gas tight - it ought to be capped.

Wouldn't you say that if that was the case then this is a faulty coupler?

By the way where does one obtain a capping for bayonet coupler?

(even if disconnecting short term it is good plan to check it for gas
soundness)



/================================================== ===============\
Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk |
-----------------------------------------------------------------|
John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk |
\================================================= ================/

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite



John is correct, a bayonet fitting should not be left unused and a 3/4"
threaded cap screwed onto the backplate in its place.

Angus

I'm trying to visualise a standard bayonet whch has a 3/4" connection. I
only ever came acrosss 1/2".

.... and you'd need a plug not a cap after removing the fitting.

--
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html
Choosing a Boiler FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/BoilerChoice.html



Ed Sirett February 1st 06 08:09 PM

Disconnecting gas cooker
 
On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 13:04:15 +0000, F wrote:

Thanks for the responses.

On 01/02/2006 10:09 John wrote:

To the OP If its one of the mini bayonets IIRC a sealing cap is already
available from BES


If I get one, am I allowed to fit it? I'm not a corgi but we do have a cat!


Once you unscrew the fitting - that constitutes 'Gas Work'
as far as the law goes. That means as we all know you have to be
competent.
Fortunately the work is not subject to building control (yet). 8-)

--
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html
Choosing a Boiler FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/BoilerChoice.html



[email protected] February 2nd 06 12:03 PM

Disconnecting gas cooker
 

Jim Gregory wrote:
"F" wrote in message
...
On 01/02/2006 10:09 John wrote:

An electric cooker might be a lot safer in the long run (or meals on
wheels).


Using a microwave now. Sadly, meals on wheels would be next.

--
F
(Beware of spam trap - remove the negative)


Good idea. You must harp on about -never- using metal-foil containers (Meals
on Wheels often supply portions in these)


They're fine so long as they don't have a foil lid on them.

nor leaving any steel cutlery
inside.


And not putting a spoon into anything that you've just boiled in the
microwave.

MBQ



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