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Do I have to replace fridge-freezer?
I have an old Zanussi fridge-freezer (model 19/5),
and the fridge thermostat seems to have developed a problem. Would I be able to replace this myself? Any advice or suggestions gratefully received. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland |
Do I have to replace fridge-freezer?
Timothy Murphy wrote:
I have an old Zanussi fridge-freezer (model 19/5), and the fridge thermostat seems to have developed a problem. Would I be able to replace this myself? What's the problem? Any advice or suggestions gratefully received. |
Do I have to replace fridge-freezer?
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Ian Stirling wrote: Timothy Murphy wrote: I have an old Zanussi fridge-freezer (model 19/5), and the fridge thermostat seems to have developed a problem. Would I be able to replace this myself? What's the problem? The fridge temperature adjustment seems faulty - the fridge is either too cold, or not cold at all. The local Zanussi agent said it sounded like a thermostat fault. Any advice or suggestions gratefully received. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland |
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Timothy Murphy wrote:
I have an old Zanussi fridge-freezer (model 19/5), and the fridge thermostat seems to have developed a problem. Would I be able to replace this myself? Any advice or suggestions gratefully received. Thermostats are easy to replace - if you can see it you can put a new one in. Si |
Do I have to replace fridge-freezer?
Timothy Murphy wrote: I have an old Zanussi fridge-freezer (model 19/5), and the fridge thermostat seems to have developed a problem. Would I be able to replace this myself? Yes, assuming you're not a complete dunce when it comes to electrics (and that the problem is really the thermostat). You can get generic thermostats designed fit just about everything, except perhaps some of the latest microprocessor controlled fridges (but yours doesn't sound like one of those). You may be able to get one in a local repair shop, but round here they gave me the brush off when I asked, so I got one on eBay. Just put "fridge thermostat" in the Search box. Some of the sellers offer a help line. If the thermostat fails completely while you're waiting, short out its contacts and run the freezer off a timeswitch with, say, 5 minutes on, 15 minutes off (you'll have to experiment with the aid of a thermometer). The thermostat will come with a long tube which you have to thread into the freezer along the same route as the old one. This can be a bit tricky, as I found my old one was wrapped around something inside, but I got it installed in the end. Chris |
Do I have to replace fridge-freezer?
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:28:11 +0000, Timothy Murphy
wrote: |posted & mailed | |Ian Stirling wrote: | | Timothy Murphy wrote: | I have an old Zanussi fridge-freezer (model 19/5), | and the fridge thermostat seems to have developed a problem. | Would I be able to replace this myself? | | What's the problem? | |The fridge temperature adjustment seems faulty - |the fridge is either too cold, or not cold at all. |The local Zanussi agent said it sounded like a thermostat fault. That proved that the compressor is working OK. Looks as though the local Zanussi agent was right, replace the thermostat. -- Dave Fawthrop dave hyphenologist co uk 17,000 free e-books at Project Gutenberg! http://www.gutenberg.net For Yorkshire Dialect go to www.hyphenologist.co.uk/songs/ |
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"Dave Fawthrop" wrote in message ... On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:28:11 +0000, Timothy Murphy wrote: |posted & mailed | |Ian Stirling wrote: | | Timothy Murphy wrote: | I have an old Zanussi fridge-freezer (model 19/5), | and the fridge thermostat seems to have developed a problem. | Would I be able to replace this myself? | | What's the problem? | |The fridge temperature adjustment seems faulty - |the fridge is either too cold, or not cold at all. |The local Zanussi agent said it sounded like a thermostat fault. That proved that the compressor is working OK. Looks as though the local Zanussi agent was right, replace the thermostat. -- Is it frost free ? Single or dual pot ? Peter |
Do I have to replace fridge-freezer?
I think its best not to fiddle with things like fridges
just replace it |
Do I have to replace fridge-freezer?
Boiler man wrote:
I think its best not to fiddle with things like fridges just replace it Shares in argos? |
Do I have to replace fridge-freezer?
On 20 Jan 2006 14:02:34 -0800, "Boiler man"
wrote: I think its best not to fiddle with things like fridges just replace it Well that tells us more about how little you think. There's not much you can usefully fix on a fridge - but the thermostat is one thing. It's cheap, it's easy, and it's a reliable fix when done. Why ever not ? |
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "david lang" saying something like: Many is the time customers have ordered a new thermostst for their hot water high pressure cleaner and assumed the tube was a wire. So they cut it and joined the new one on with a cable crimp. Oh how we laughted :-) I've not come across it yet, but I wonder if anybody's done that with a remote fire valve. -- Dave |
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Grimly Curmudgeon wrote: "david lang" said Many is the time customers have ordered a new thermostst for their hot water high pressure cleaner and assumed the tube was a wire. So they cut it and joined the new one on with a cable crimp. Oh how we laughted :-) I've not come across it yet, but I wonder if anybody's done that with a remote fire valve. Best remote fire valve I saw was in my old company. There's a fire panel on the wall, with a big yellow button that says "push to test" So one day a passing stranger followed the instructions, and dumped a sizeable halon tank into the comms room on the other side. Fair made a big bang, I can tell you. The following week, a perspex cover appeared over the "push to test" button, with a lead crimp on it ;-) Cheers Paul. |
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On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:37:36 +0000, Andy Dingley
wrote: On 20 Jan 2006 14:02:34 -0800, "Boiler man" wrote: I think its best not to fiddle with things like fridges just replace it Well that tells us more about how little you think. There's not much you can usefully fix on a fridge - but the thermostat is one thing. It's cheap, it's easy, and it's a reliable fix when done. Why ever not ? They are inefficient, especialy Zanusi's. Even new fridges of the same size can have energy use stats that vary by ~100%. A crapy old Zanusi will be much worse. |
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 08:02:49 GMT, marble
wrote: They are inefficient, especialy Zanusi's. Even new fridges of the same size can have energy use stats that vary by ~100%. A crapy old Zanusi will be much worse. That's a reasonable argument, but then you should replace the fridge even if it were still working. It's not an argument against throwing out a fridge _because_ the thermostat has failed. I have an energy meter on my fridge. It's switched on continuously, so it is one of my more expensive appliances. If it ever lost insulation and started to be inefficient, I'd certainly look at swapping it. |
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 15:05:15 +0000, Andy Dingley
wrote: |On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 08:02:49 GMT, marble |wrote: | |They are inefficient, especialy Zanusi's. Even new fridges of the same |size can have energy use stats that vary by ~100%. A crapy old Zanusi |will be much worse. | |That's a reasonable argument, but then you should replace the fridge |even if it were still working. It's not an argument against throwing |out a fridge _because_ the thermostat has failed. | |I have an energy meter on my fridge. It's switched on continuously, so |it is one of my more expensive appliances. If it ever lost insulation |and started to be inefficient, I'd certainly look at swapping it. Well for me that would depend on the probable pay back time, in reduction of annual electricity bills between new and old fridge freezer compared with the capital cost of a new one. I just ditched one which was 40 years old and still worked OK. -- Dave Fawthrop dave hyphenologist co uk 17,000 free e-books at Project Gutenberg! http://www.gutenberg.net For Yorkshire Dialect go to www.hyphenologist.co.uk/songs/ |
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marble wrote:
snip They are inefficient, especialy Zanusi's. Even new fridges of the same size can have energy use stats that vary by ~100%. A crapy old Zanusi will be much worse. Looking at the argos website, I find an astonishing lack of variability in the energy use. More money just buys you a prettier box, and more stuff. It does not give better insulation. I approximately halved the energy use of my freezer with several slabs of 10cm polystyrene. This paid itself off in the first year. It may be that better more efficient ones are available, but not in argos. |
Do I have to replace fridge-freezer?
marble wrote:
They are inefficient, especialy Zanusi's. Even new fridges of the same size can have energy use stats that vary by ~100%. A crapy old Zanusi will be much worse. The efficiency is an interesting argument. If the fridge is inefficient, then it will be losing power through heat. That heat then helps the overall house temperature to some small degree (ok, for heating electricity is a poor / expensive choice). So, arguably, the more energy to lose due to an inefficient appliance, the less demand there is on the heating. Maybe a small, contrived point - but valid to some degree non-the less. A second consideration would be the question as to how much energy goes into the manufacture of the replacement fridge, together with transportation, salesroom energy useage and so on. A third consideration would be environmental - you have an old fridge to tip into the nearest landfill, safe disposal of the refridgerant, and the damage to the environment in the manufacture and transportation of the new fridge. Personally, I'd go for the new fridge, but if the OP wants to fix the old one then every credit to him. |
Do I have to replace fridge-freezer?
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:00:28 +0000, Mike Dodd
wrote: If the fridge is inefficient, then it will be losing power through heat. That heat then helps the overall house temperature to some small degree I don't heat my kitchen. I certainly don't heat my kitchen during peak refrigeration season. |
Do I have to replace fridge-freezer?
On 21 Jan 2006 15:39:17 GMT, Ian Stirling
wrote: marble wrote: snip They are inefficient, especialy Zanusi's. Even new fridges of the same size can have energy use stats that vary by ~100%. A crapy old Zanusi will be much worse. Looking at the argos website, I find an astonishing lack of variability in the energy use. More money just buys you a prettier box, and more stuff. It does not give better insulation. I approximately halved the energy use of my freezer with several slabs of 10cm polystyrene. This paid itself off in the first year. It may be that better more efficient ones are available, but not in argos. But why would anybody ever buy anything in Argos? -- ..andy |
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On 20 Jan 2006 14:02:34 -0800, "Boiler man"
wrote: I think its best not to fiddle with things like fridges just replace it How sad we have this throw-away society. Would you replace your car just because you have a puncture in a tyre? -- Frank Erskine |
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Andy Hall wrote:
On 21 Jan 2006 15:39:17 GMT, Ian Stirling wrote: marble wrote: snip They are inefficient, especialy Zanusi's. Even new fridges of the same size can have energy use stats that vary by ~100%. A crapy old Zanusi will be much worse. Looking at the argos website, I find an astonishing lack of variability in the energy use. More money just buys you a prettier box, and more stuff. It does not give better insulation. I approximately halved the energy use of my freezer with several slabs of 10cm polystyrene. This paid itself off in the first year. It may be that better more efficient ones are available, but not in argos. But why would anybody ever buy anything in Argos? Because that was the first catalog shop with a web store that came to mind. I'd be interested to know of any shop selling fridges with power use under 70Kwh/year, or fridge/freezers under 150. |
Do I have to replace fridge-freezer?
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember saying something like: Best remote fire valve I saw was in my old company. There's a fire panel on the wall, with a big yellow button that says "push to test" So one day a passing stranger followed the instructions, and dumped a sizeable halon tank into the comms room on the other side. Bit daft though, having a 'Push to Test' sign on a live trigger. Fair made a big bang, I can tell you. The following week, a perspex cover appeared over the "push to test" button, with a lead crimp on it ;-) Break Glass for Wirecutters. -- Dave |
Do I have to replace fridge-freezer?
On 21 Jan 2006 15:39:17 GMT, Ian Stirling wrote: Looking at the argos website, I find an astonishing lack of variability in the energy use. More money just buys you a prettier box, and more stuff. It does not give better insulation. I approximately halved the energy use of my freezer with several slabs of 10cm polystyrene. This paid itself off in the first year. It may be that better more efficient ones are available, but not in argos. @root looking at undercounter size fridges heres a bosch that uses 113kwh/year: http://www.comet.co.uk/comet/html/cache/29_280976.html heres a beko that uses 225 and with a slightly smaller volume, but its capital costs is half as much, so you pays your money... http://www.comet.co.uk/comet/html/cache/29_234230.html When the grading thing first stared I remember most fridges being B's some even C now they are nearly all A. I'm betting my old Zanusi's grade would be "unclassified". |
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:00:28 +0000, Mike Dodd
wrote: A third consideration would be environmental - you have an old fridge to tip into the nearest landfill, safe disposal of the refridgerant, and the damage to the environment in the manufacture and transportation of the new fridge. Last I heard there was no method of safe disposal and currently all old fridges are being stored in vast graveyards slowly rusting away if not waiting in the street or in a front yard for the scrap metal man thats never gona call. Personally, I'd go for the new fridge, but if the OP wants to fix the old one then every credit to him. I agree, and there is satisfaction in keeping old things running. |
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marble wrote:
On 21 Jan 2006 15:39:17 GMT, Ian Stirling wrote: Looking at the argos website, I find an astonishing lack of variability in the energy use. More money just buys you a prettier box, and more stuff. It does not give better insulation. I approximately halved the energy use of my freezer with several slabs of 10cm polystyrene. This paid itself off in the first year. It may be that better more efficient ones are available, but not in argos. @root looking at undercounter size fridges heres a bosch that uses 113kwh/year: http://www.comet.co.uk/comet/html/cache/29_280976.html heres a beko that uses 225 and with a slightly smaller volume, but its capital costs is half as much, so you pays your money... http://www.comet.co.uk/comet/html/cache/29_234230.html Argos - order code 4856982, 20 quid more (the cheapest one without a freezer compartment) does 168Kwh/year, maybe there are only significant differences at the top of the market. When the grading thing first stared I remember most fridges being B's some even C now they are nearly all A. I'm betting my old Zanusi's grade would be "unclassified". Unclassified may not be bad. I measured a ~20 year old cheap fridge, and it was about the same as a current 'a' rated one. |
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On 22 Jan 2006 11:20:45 GMT, Ian Stirling
wrote: I measured a ~20 year old cheap fridge, and it was about the same as a current 'a' rated one. Interesting! What were the models you did your measuring on and what were the results? |
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marble wrote:
On 22 Jan 2006 11:20:45 GMT, Ian Stirling wrote: I measured a ~20 year old cheap fridge, and it was about the same as a current 'a' rated one. Interesting! What were the models you did your measuring on and what were the results? Sorry, I don't remember the model. It was one that was picked up from the tip - as a temporary place to store stuff, compared to published figures. |
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On 22 Jan 2006 11:20:45 GMT Ian Stirling wrote :
I measured a ~20 year old cheap fridge, and it was about the same as a current 'a' rated one. Were you measuring the consumption while running or over a prolonged period? A well-insulated A grade fridge may well use as much while running but needs to run for a lot less time. -- Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk Free SEDBUK boiler database browser http://www.sda.co.uk/qsedbuk.htm [Latest version QSEDBUK 1.12 released 8 Dec 2005] |
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Tony Bryer wrote:
On 22 Jan 2006 11:20:45 GMT Ian Stirling wrote : I measured a ~20 year old cheap fridge, and it was about the same as a current 'a' rated one. Were you measuring the consumption while running or over a prolonged period? A well-insulated A grade fridge may well use as much while running but needs to run for a lot less time. About a week. |
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On 22 Jan 2006 14:44:56 GMT, Ian Stirling
wrote: marble wrote: On 22 Jan 2006 11:20:45 GMT, Ian Stirling wrote: I measured a ~20 year old cheap fridge, and it was about the same as a current 'a' rated one. Interesting! What were the models you did your measuring on and what were the results? Sorry, I don't remember the model. It was one that was picked up from the tip - as a temporary place to store stuff, compared to published figures. So you did your own research over period of a week that showed a fridge that someone had chucked out, and which you established was 20 years old, was as good as the best of the new ones and you dont even remember which model it was... Who would see a heap of dirty old fridges, rusting outside at the council tip, and think "I'll take one of these home to store things in"? I bet you dont remember what you used to do the measuring. |
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marble wrote:
On 22 Jan 2006 14:44:56 GMT, Ian Stirling wrote: marble wrote: On 22 Jan 2006 11:20:45 GMT, Ian Stirling wrote: I measured a ~20 year old cheap fridge, and it was about the same as a current 'a' rated one. Interesting! What were the models you did your measuring on and what were the results? Sorry, I don't remember the model. It was one that was picked up from the tip - as a temporary place to store stuff, compared to published figures. So you did your own research over period of a week that showed a fridge that someone had chucked out, and which you established was 20 years old, was as good as the best of the new ones and you dont even remember which model it was... Who would see a heap of dirty old fridges, rusting outside at the council tip, and think "I'll take one of these home to store things in"? It was needed to store food temporarily in a flat that was only going to be used for a short period, before a long distance move. Buying a fridge, and having to transport it would have added enormously to the cost. If that one hadn't worked, it was going back for a full refund. The other option was doing without a fridge for a couple of weeks, which would be annoying. I bet you dont remember what you used to do the measuring. I tested it using a maplin power meter, out of interest, and was surprised at the reading, so verified it later, getting more or less the same number. And it was actually just being dropped off, not one of a rusting heap. |
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Do I have to replace fridge-freezer?
Timothy Murphy wrote:
wrote: I have an old Zanussi fridge-freezer (model 19/5), and the fridge thermostat seems to have developed a problem. Would I be able to replace this myself? Yes, assuming you're not a complete dunce when it comes to electrics (and that the problem is really the thermostat). You can get generic thermostats designed fit just about everything, except perhaps some of the latest microprocessor controlled fridges (but yours doesn't sound like one of those). You may be able to get one in a local repair shop, but round here they gave me the brush off when I asked, so I got one on eBay. Just put "fridge thermostat" in the Search box. Some of the sellers offer a help line. Sorry to ask a really elementary question, but where exactly is the thermostat likely to be? Is it part of the instruments at the front, or is it to be found with the refrigerating apparatus at the back? I should really get a new fridge-freezer, as this one is quite old. But I'm reluctant to do that as the freezer works fine. Are they normally one unit; or can an expert replace the fridge part, say? Google images for zanussi thermostat will show you what you are looking for, except that the probe won't be neatly coiled in your frig. Douglas de Lacey. |
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