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Hi
I've got to gain space in our small bedroom so I want to put the hot water
tank in the loft, how high above the top of the hot water tank should the
water surface of the cold water tank be. Has anybody got any links to sites
with cold water tanks which will fit high up in the ridge - I've googled but
can't find anything.
Any advice welcome - ps can't afford to change from the current open vented
system ATM

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"NikV" wrote in message
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Hi
I've got to gain space in our small bedroom so I want to put the hot water
tank in the loft, how high above the top of the hot water tank should the
water surface of the cold water tank be. Has anybody got any links to

sites
with cold water tanks which will fit high up in the ridge - I've googled

but
can't find anything.
Any advice welcome - ps can't afford to change from the current open

vented
system ATM


Have the kitchen tap off the mains. For the hot and cold water for the rest
of the house use one of these, as it fits nicely in the loft.
http://www.rcmgroup.co.uk/specialize...ower/index.htm
You can take the shower off it The cold taps can be taken off it and the
hot taps too giving good mixing at the basins and bath. It is heated from a
normal system boiler. It is less than 6 foot high and takes about the same
amount of space as Megaflow. What is gives is high flow at atmospheric
pressures. All the
taps, except the shower mixer are low pressure. The kitchen mixer has to be
high pressure cold low pressure hot.

Cheap and highly effective, no cold tanks or high pressure cylinders that
may blow up and needing 28mm blow-off pipes. It can go in the loft out of
the way.

Then, when money is available, best to buy a condensing combi and only have
the shower off the combi water section to give a high pressure mains fed
shower. The shower is the only draw-off that requires high pressure, the
rest need "flow". The CH part of the combi will be the same as a normal
system with 3-way valve heating the cylinder and the radiators.


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"NikV" wrote in message
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Hi
I've got to gain space in our small bedroom so I want to put the hot water
tank in the loft, how high above the top of the hot water tank should the
water surface of the cold water tank be. Has anybody got any links to

sites
with cold water tanks which will fit high up in the ridge - I've googled

but
can't find anything.
Any advice welcome - ps can't afford to change from the current open

vented
system ATM


Have the kitchen tap off the mains. For the hot and cold water for the rest
of the house use one of these, as it fits nicely in the loft.
http://www.rcmgroup.co.uk/specialize...ower/index.htm
You can take the shower off it The cold taps can be taken off it and the
hot taps too giving good mixing at the basins and bath. It is heated from a
normal system boiler.


Are you certain about that?

There are no mention of boiler connections and none are shown....

This one obviously is though...

http://www.rcmgroup.co.uk/specialize...mpak/index.htm



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On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:20:52 -0000, "NikV"
wrote:

Hi
I've got to gain space in our small bedroom so I want to put the hot water
tank in the loft, how high above the top of the hot water tank should the
water surface of the cold water tank be. Has anybody got any links to sites
with cold water tanks which will fit high up in the ridge - I've googled but
can't find anything.
Any advice welcome - ps can't afford to change from the current open vented
system ATM



Have a look at Polytank

http://www.polytank.co.uk/poltankcoffin.html


You will need to come up with a substantial way to support the weight
of course.

The feed pipe and the vent pipes should both be plumbed in 28mm to
avoid air being sucked down the vent pipe when water is drawn off.

With shallow tanks of this type, it is a good idea to use a Torbeck
valve rather than regular ball valve. The reason is that the level
rises very slowly and a regular valve will trickle for a long time and
may be noisy. The Torbeck shuts off positively when the level is
reached.


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On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:20:52 -0000, "NikV"
wrote:

Hi
I've got to gain space in our small bedroom so I want to put the hot water
tank in the loft, how high above the top of the hot water tank should the
water surface of the cold water tank be. Has anybody got any links to sites
with cold water tanks which will fit high up in the ridge - I've googled but
can't find anything.
Any advice welcome - ps can't afford to change from the current open vented
system ATM


Try a google for "coffin" tanks. They are shaped as you'd expect with
a name like that. I've got one as there wasn't room for a conventional
tank.

The surface of the water in my cold tank is about four feet above the
top of the hot water tank but I don't know what the minimum is, just
that it is presumably less than this.

In fact, other than it being positive is there any minimum value and,
if so, why ?

Cheers,

John



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NikV wrote:
I've got to gain space in our small bedroom so I want to put the hot
water tank in the loft, how high above the top of the hot water tank
should the water surface of the cold water tank be. Has anybody got
any links to sites with cold water tanks which will fit high up in the
ridge - I've googled but can't find anything.


It's the sort of thing your local plumber's merchant should be able to
help with.

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"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:46:39 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"NikV" wrote in message
...
Hi
I've got to gain space in our small bedroom so I want to put the hot

water
tank in the loft, how high above the top of the hot water tank should

the
water surface of the cold water tank be. Has anybody got any links to

sites
with cold water tanks which will fit high up in the ridge - I've

googled
but
can't find anything.
Any advice welcome - ps can't afford to change from the current open

vented
system ATM


Have the kitchen tap off the mains. For the
hot and cold water for the rest of the house
use one of these, as it fits nicely in the loft.
http://www.rcmgroup.co.uk/specialize...ower/index.htm
You can take the shower off it The cold
taps can be taken off it and the
hot taps too giving good mixing at the
basins and bath. It is heated from a
normal system boiler.


Are you certain about that?


Yep.

There are no mention of boiler connections and none are shown....


An indirect version can be specified, with either Part L or quick recovery
coil. Use one of these where you would use a Megaflow and have a combi only
do the shower for high pressures and this is a very cheap way of having high
pressure showers (from the mains), high flows to baths and low pressure
mixing. So, if your mains pressure is 4 Bar it is quite cheap as no £500 4
bar shower pump is required. No annual invented service call, and no high
pressures, that wear out tap washers, ect. Combis are about the same price
as system boiler, so no expensive power shower pumps. Can go anywhere a
Megflow can, as long as it is above the highest draw-off, excepting the
shower.

This one obviously is though...

http://www.rcmgroup.co.uk/specialize...mpak/index.htm


Far more bulky than a cylinder 6 les than foot high.


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On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:20:52 -0000, "NikV"
wrote:

Hi
I've got to gain space in our small bedroom so I want to put the hot

water
tank in the loft, how high above the top of the hot water tank should the
water surface of the cold water tank be. Has anybody got any links to

sites
with cold water tanks which will fit high up in the ridge - I've googled

but
can't find anything.
Any advice welcome - ps can't afford to change from the current open

vented
system ATM


Try a google for "coffin" tanks. They are shaped as you'd expect with
a name like that. I've got one as there wasn't room for a conventional
tank.

The surface of the water in my cold tank is about four feet above the
top of the hot water tank but I don't know what the minimum is, just
that it is presumably less than this.

In fact, other than it being positive is there any minimum value and,
if so, why ?


What he needs is a combi cylinder. I gave the link.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile
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In article ,
NikV wrote:


I've got to gain space in our small bedroom so I want to put the hot
water tank in the loft, how high above the top of the hot water tank
should the water surface of the cold water tank be. Has anybody got
any links to sites with cold water tanks which will fit high up in the
ridge - I've googled but can't find anything.


It's the sort of thing your local plumber's merchant should be able to
help with.


What a soild bit of senile advice


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On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:01:55 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:46:39 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"NikV" wrote in message
...
Hi
I've got to gain space in our small bedroom so I want to put the hot

water
tank in the loft, how high above the top of the hot water tank should

the
water surface of the cold water tank be. Has anybody got any links to
sites
with cold water tanks which will fit high up in the ridge - I've

googled
but
can't find anything.
Any advice welcome - ps can't afford to change from the current open
vented
system ATM

Have the kitchen tap off the mains. For the
hot and cold water for the rest of the house
use one of these, as it fits nicely in the loft.
http://www.rcmgroup.co.uk/specialize...ower/index.htm
You can take the shower off it The cold
taps can be taken off it and the
hot taps too giving good mixing at the
basins and bath. It is heated from a
normal system boiler.


Are you certain about that?


Yep.




There are no mention of boiler connections and none are shown....


An indirect version can be specified, with either Part L or quick recovery
coil.


Not mentioned on their web site that I could see. Do you have a
reference for that and the price?


This one obviously is though...

http://www.rcmgroup.co.uk/specialize...mpak/index.htm


Far more bulky than a cylinder 6 les than foot high.


That is rather overstating it.

The combi/shower is 1900mm high vs. the 2050mm of the formpak

The footprint is larger at 800x600 than the 500mm of the combi/shower,
but it would be surprising if that were an issue in an attic able to
accommodate the height since way more than this floor area would be
implied.

All of which is somewhat academic since the question really suggested
a coffin tank as the solution, since this will have the least cost.




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"John Anderton" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:20:52 -0000, "NikV"
wrote:

Hi
I've got to gain space in our small bedroom so I want to put the hot

water
tank in the loft, how high above the top of the hot water tank should the
water surface of the cold water tank be. Has anybody got any links to

sites
with cold water tanks which will fit high up in the ridge - I've googled

but
can't find anything.
Any advice welcome - ps can't afford to change from the current open

vented
system ATM


Try a google for "coffin" tanks. They are shaped as you'd expect with
a name like that. I've got one as there wasn't room for a conventional
tank.

The surface of the water in my cold tank is about four feet above the
top of the hot water tank but I don't know what the minimum is, just
that it is presumably less than this.

In fact, other than it being positive is there any minimum value and,
if so, why ?


What he needs is a combi cylinder.


Why ? What advantage would that give him over a standard hot water
cylinder and a coffin tank both placed in the loft ?

I gave the link.


To something that may well be very useful when living somewhere with
no loft but may not be best for the OP especially when it's likely to
be more expensive (assuming the existing hot cylinder can be re-used)

Cheers,

John
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"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:01:55 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:46:39 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"NikV" wrote in message
...
Hi
I've got to gain space in our small bedroom so I want to put the hot

water
tank in the loft, how high above the top of the hot water tank

should
the
water surface of the cold water tank be. Has anybody got any links

to
sites
with cold water tanks which will fit high up in the ridge - I've

googled
but
can't find anything.
Any advice welcome - ps can't afford to change from the current open
vented
system ATM

Have the kitchen tap off the mains. For the
hot and cold water for the rest of the house
use one of these, as it fits nicely in the loft.
http://www.rcmgroup.co.uk/specialize...ower/index.htm
You can take the shower off it The cold
taps can be taken off it and the
hot taps too giving good mixing at the
basins and bath. It is heated from a
normal system boiler.

Are you certain about that?


Yep.




There are no mention of boiler connections and none are shown....


An indirect version can be specified, with either Part L or quick

recovery
coil.


Not mentioned on their web site that I could see. Do you have a
reference for that and the price?


Contact them. Price? A long time ago but it was cheaper than a Megaflow.
The combi was the same price as a system boiler. The water section of the
combi just replaced a noisy space taking power shower pump, and saved money
again, giving a higher pressure shower.

This one obviously is though...

http://www.rcmgroup.co.uk/specialize...mpak/index.htm


Far more bulky than a cylinder 6 less than foot high.


That is rather overstating it.


No. Just look at the sizes. It is a cylinder that is les that 6 foot high
and quite slim too.

The combi/shower is 1900mm high vs. the 2050mm of the formpak


The formpack is bulky that is clear. Look at the picture of both next to
each other. The combi/shower is also heavily insulated all over and looks
far neater than a frame with a rank and cylinder.

The footprint is larger at 800x600 than the 500mm of the combi/shower,
but it would be surprising if that were an issue in an attic able to
accommodate the height since way more than this floor area would be
implied.


The combi/shower is easy to fit. No assembling.

All of which is somewhat academic since the question really suggested
a coffin tank as the solution, since this will have the least cost.


You don't know if that is the solution at all. The great thing about the
combi/shower is that is can be fitted and when the boiler goes, a combi is
bought for the shower.


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"John Anderton" wrote in message
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On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:04:20 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"John Anderton" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:20:52 -0000, "NikV"
wrote:

Hi
I've got to gain space in our small bedroom so I want to put the hot

water
tank in the loft, how high above the top of the hot water tank should

the
water surface of the cold water tank be. Has anybody got any links to

sites
with cold water tanks which will fit high up in the ridge - I've

googled
but
can't find anything.
Any advice welcome - ps can't afford to change from the current open

vented
system ATM

Try a google for "coffin" tanks. They are shaped as you'd expect with
a name like that. I've got one as there wasn't room for a conventional
tank.

The surface of the water in my cold tank is about four feet above the
top of the hot water tank but I don't know what the minimum is, just
that it is presumably less than this.

In fact, other than it being positive is there any minimum value and,
if so, why ?


What he needs is a combi cylinder.


Why ? What advantage would that give him over a standard hot water
cylinder and a coffin tank both placed in the loft ?

I gave the link.


To something that may well be very useful when living somewhere with
no loft but may not be best for the OP especially when it's likely to
be more expensive (assuming the existing hot cylinder can be re-used)


See other post.


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"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
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"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:01:55 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:46:39 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"


wrote:


"NikV" wrote in message
...
Hi
I've got to gain space in our small bedroom so I want to put the

hot
water
tank in the loft, how high above the top of the hot water tank

should
the
water surface of the cold water tank be. Has anybody got any

links
to
sites
with cold water tanks which will fit high up in the ridge - I've
googled
but
can't find anything.
Any advice welcome - ps can't afford to change from the current

open
vented
system ATM

Have the kitchen tap off the mains. For the
hot and cold water for the rest of the house
use one of these, as it fits nicely in the loft.
http://www.rcmgroup.co.uk/specialize...ower/index.htm
You can take the shower off it The cold
taps can be taken off it and the
hot taps too giving good mixing at the
basins and bath. It is heated from a
normal system boiler.

Are you certain about that?

Yep.




There are no mention of boiler connections and none are shown....

An indirect version can be specified, with either Part L or quick

recovery
coil.


Not mentioned on their web site that I could see. Do you have a
reference for that and the price?


Contact them. Price? A long time ago but it was cheaper than a Megaflow.
The combi was the same price as a system boiler. The water section of the
combi just replaced a noisy space taking power shower pump, and saved

money
again, giving a higher pressure shower.


I have used cheaper combi cylinders, with smaller tanks, "and " the cold
water was taken off the combi tank too by cutting a hole in it us fitting a
tabk connector. Most using combi cylinders have the cold off the mains. I
ran a 22mm cold water mains pipe to the combi cylinder (somnetimes called a
Fortric). A 3/4" brass ballcock was fitted, so the fill up was very fast.

Look at it this way. An unvented cylinder is a mains pipe in and a hot
draw-off out. This method is the same except it has an air break in the
mains pipe. It can still take the full flow of the mains pipe.


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There are no mention of boiler connections and none are shown....

An indirect version can be specified, with either Part L or quick

recovery
coil.


Not mentioned on their web site that I could see. Do you have a
reference for that and the price?


Contact them.


Why should I? You made the assertion. You justify it.

Price? A long time ago but it was cheaper than a Megaflow.


I would hope it would be.




http://www.rcmgroup.co.uk/specialize...mpak/index.htm

Far more bulky than a cylinder 6 less than foot high.


That is rather overstating it.


No. Just look at the sizes. It is a cylinder that is les that 6 foot high
and quite slim too.


I did look at the sizes and not at the pictures.


The combi/shower is 1900mm high vs. the 2050mm of the formpak


The formpack is bulky that is clear. Look at the picture of both next to
each other.


It's a cut and paste job.



All of which is somewhat academic since the question really suggested
a coffin tank as the solution, since this will have the least cost.


You don't know if that is the solution at all.


Really?

From the original post...

"Has anybody got any links to sites
with cold water tanks which will fit high up in the ridge - I've
googled but can't find anything."

Please explain how the combi/shower fits that description as well as
the desire for minimum cost.


The great thing about the
combi/shower is that is can be fitted and when the boiler goes, a combi is
bought for the shower.


That would assume suitability of a combi for the application.


How is the hind leg collection coming along? You should have enough
to feed the entire tower block fairly soon....


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"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:20:52 -0000, "NikV"



Have a look at Polytank

http://www.polytank.co.uk/poltankcoffin.html


You will need to come up with a substantial way to support the weight
of course.

The feed pipe and the vent pipes should both be plumbed in 28mm to
avoid air being sucked down the vent pipe when water is drawn off.

With shallow tanks of this type, it is a good idea to use a Torbeck
valve rather than regular ball valve. The reason is that the level
rises very slowly and a regular valve will trickle for a long time and
may be noisy. The Torbeck shuts off positively when the level is
reached.



Thank-you - just what I was looking for - just missing the word 'coffin'
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"Andy Hall" aka Matt wrote in message



There are no mention of boiler connections and none are shown....

An indirect version can be specified, with either Part L or quick

recovery
coil.

Not mentioned on their web site that I could see. Do you have a
reference for that and the price?


Contact them.


Why should I? You made the assertion. You justify it.


Matt, you mean you don't want one?

Price? A long time ago but it was cheaper than a Megaflow.


I would hope it would be.


http://www.rcmgroup.co.uk/specialize...mpak/index.htm

Far more bulky than a cylinder 6 less than foot high.

That is rather overstating it.


No. Just look at the sizes. It is a cylinder that is les that 6 foot

high
and quite slim too.


I did look at the sizes and not at the pictures.


A picture say a 1000 words.

The combi/shower is 1900mm high vs. the 2050mm of the formpak


The formpack is bulky that is clear. Look at the picture of both next to
each other.


It's a cut and paste job.


You are making that up.

All of which is somewhat academic since the question really suggested
a coffin tank as the solution, since this will have the least cost.


You don't know if that is the solution at all.


Really?


Yep.

The great thing about the
combi/shower is that is can be fitted and when the boiler goes, a combi

is
bought for the shower.


That would assume suitability of a combi for the application.


Many type of combi available

** snip Mattness **

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In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
It's the sort of thing your local plumber's merchant should be able to
help with.


What a soild bit of senile advice


What's 'soild', **** for brains?

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NikV wrote:
Thank-you - just what I was looking for - just missing the word 'coffin'


Glad you've ignored dribble's attempt to waste your money. Pay careful
attention to the pipe runs using a pipe bender rather than elbows to
minimise flow restriction.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile
flatulence wrote in message ...
In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:


It's the sort of thing your local plumber's merchant should be able to
help with.


What a soild bit of senile advice


What's 'soild'


** snip senility **



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In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
What a soild bit of senile advice


What's 'soild'


** snip senility **


Seems to me someone who doesn't understand the meaning of the words they
write and is unable to use a spell checker is the senile one. Or just ****
for brains, of course.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile
flatulence wrote in message ...
In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:


What a soild bit of senile advice

What's 'soild'


** snip senility **


Seems


** snip confused senility **

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In eenews.net,
Doctor Drivel scribed:
"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile
flatulence wrote in message ...
In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:


What a soild bit of senile advice

What's 'soild'


** snip senility **


Seems


** snip confused senility **


Do you consider psychiatry as one of your D-I-Y skills? If so, may I suggest
a more appropriate group for it?

Cheers.

N.


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"nrh" wrote in message
k...
In eenews.net,
Doctor Drivel scribed:
"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile
flatulence wrote in message ...
In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:


What a soild bit of senile advice

What's 'soild'

** snip senility **

Seems


** snip confused senility **


Do you consider psychiatry as one of your D-I-Y skills? If so, may I

suggest
a more appropriate group for it?


I would like to help the afflicted here, but alas my skills are limited in
this area. Can you suggest a group for the uk.d-i-y Lunatic Association?
They get to wear yellow boots you know.




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On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:32:25 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
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I would like to help the afflicted here, but alas my skills are limited in
this area.

?

They are in most aren't they?



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"Andy Hall" aka Matt wrote in message
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On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:32:25 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


I would like to help the afflicted here, but alas my skills are limited

in
this area.

?


They are in most aren't they?


Matt, in most mental fields I am clearly limited so I can't help you much
with your problem.


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In article ews.net,
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I would like to help but alas my skills are limited in
this area.


You never said a truer word. After all, most know what a hacksaw can and
cannot be used for without flooding the street.

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In article ews.net,
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Matt, in most mental fields I am clearly limited so I can't help you much
with your problem.


Perhaps you should try your magnetic water softener round your head, then?
This might improve your mental field.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile
flatulence wrote in message ...
In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:


Matt, in most mental fields I am clearly limited so I can't help you

much
with your problem.


Perhaps


** snip senile babble **

The man is such an idiot.



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"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile
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In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:


I would like to help but alas my skills are limited in
this area.


You never said a truer word.


Mr Cranium, there are better people around that can help you than me.

** snip babbling idiotic senility **



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On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:54:05 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"Andy Hall" aka Matt wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:32:25 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


I would like to help the afflicted here, but alas my skills are limited

in
this area.

?


They are in most aren't they?


Matt, in most mental fields I am clearly limited so I can't help you much
with your problem.


I think that we understand that only too well.....


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In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
I would like to help but alas my skills are limited in
this area.


You never said a truer word.


Mr Cranium, there are better people around that can help you than me.


You never said a truer word.

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"Andy Hall" aka Matt wrote in message
...
On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:54:05 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"Andy Hall" aka Matt wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:32:25 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


I would like to help the afflicted here, but alas my skills are

limited
in
this area.
?
They are in most aren't they?


Matt, in most mental fields I am clearly limited so I can't help you much
with your problem.


I think that we understand that only too well.....


Matt, I can refer you a professional for a full mental analysis. I just saw
one in Yellow pages for you.

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Matt, I can refer you a professional for a full mental analysis. I just
saw one in Yellow pages for you.


Searching for a plumber to sort your leaks again?

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Andy Hall wrote:
On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:46:39 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"NikV" wrote in message
...
Hi
I've got to gain space in our small bedroom so I want to put the hot water
tank in the loft, how high above the top of the hot water tank should the
water surface of the cold water tank be. Has anybody got any links to

sites
with cold water tanks which will fit high up in the ridge - I've googled

but
can't find anything.
Any advice welcome - ps can't afford to change from the current open

vented
system ATM


Have the kitchen tap off the mains. For the hot and cold water for the rest
of the house use one of these, as it fits nicely in the loft.
http://www.rcmgroup.co.uk/specialize...ower/index.htm
You can take the shower off it The cold taps can be taken off it and the
hot taps too giving good mixing at the basins and bath. It is heated from a
normal system boiler.


Are you certain about that?

There are no mention of boiler connections and none are shown....


I have used one of these combi cylinders and a combi boiler for only
shower use. Worked a treat. Easy and quick to install as the cylinder
was all one unit being fitted in the loft. The cold mains pipe could
not supply a full mains pressure system, yet could do a very good
shower. I used a W-B Junior combi boiler, also in the loft, on the end
gable wall. A great solution I got from IMM here two or three years
ago.

I always look at combis as the first option for obvious reasons, then a
Rinnai multi-point and system boiler, then the combi cylinder and combi
boiler method, then a thermal store. Megaflows require a plumber with
an unvented ticket and that is out for me.

IMM mentioned a 76 KW combi. This would solve many of my problems even
if a larger meter was installed. Cost considerations of course. I have
noticed that 40 KW is about the largest combi power rating, which is
not that great on flowrate, then a big jump to 76 KW. Anyone know of a
55KW combi? That would be ideal if the flow rate is around 25 litres a
minute. The only way to fill this gap to get the flow rates is install
two combis, which I did about 4 or 5 years ago, again using W-B
Juniors, and one since.

This one obviously is though...

http://www.rcmgroup.co.uk/specialize...mpak/index.htm



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wrote:
Andy Hall wrote:
On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:46:39 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"NikV" wrote in message
...
Hi
I've got to gain space in our small bedroom so I want to put the hot water
tank in the loft, how high above the top of the hot water tank should the
water surface of the cold water tank be. Has anybody got any links to
sites
with cold water tanks which will fit high up in the ridge - I've googled
but
can't find anything.
Any advice welcome - ps can't afford to change from the current open
vented
system ATM

Have the kitchen tap off the mains. For the hot and cold water for the rest
of the house use one of these, as it fits nicely in the loft.
http://www.rcmgroup.co.uk/specialize...ower/index.htm
You can take the shower off it The cold taps can be taken off it and the
hot taps too giving good mixing at the basins and bath. It is heated from a
normal system boiler.


Are you certain about that?

There are no mention of boiler connections and none are shown....


I have used one of these combi cylinders and a combi boiler for only
shower use. Worked a treat. Easy and quick to install as the cylinder
was all one unit being fitted in the loft. The cold mains pipe could
not supply a full mains pressure system, yet could do a very good
shower. I used a W-B Junior combi boiler, also in the loft, on the end
gable wall. A great solution I got from IMM here two or three years
ago.

I always look at combis as the first option for obvious reasons, then a
Rinnai multi-point and system boiler, then the combi cylinder and combi
boiler method, then a thermal store. Megaflows require a plumber with
an unvented ticket and that is out for me.

IMM mentioned a 76 KW combi. This would solve many of my problems even
if a larger meter was installed. Cost considerations of course. I have
noticed that 40 KW is about the largest combi power rating, which is
not that great on flowrate, then a big jump to 76 KW. Anyone know of a
55KW combi? That would be ideal if the flow rate is around 25 litres a
minute. The only way to fill this gap to get the flow rates is install
two combis, which I did about 4 or 5 years ago, again using W-B
Juniors, and one since.


I just read this again. I am on about wall mounted combis. I know there
are floor mounted combis that will give the flow rates. These are not
too good in large flats because of space.

This one obviously is though...

http://www.rcmgroup.co.uk/specialize...mpak/index.htm



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)" wrote in message
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In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
What a soild bit of senile advice

What's 'soild'


** snip senility **


Seems to me someone who doesn't understand the meaning of the words they
write and is unable to use a spell checker is the senile one. Or just ****
for brains, of course.

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Thought you were talking to yourself there - must have killfiled Mr Snivel
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"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile
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In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:


Matt, I can refer you a professional
for a full mental analysis. I just
saw one in Yellow pages for you.


Searching for a plumber to sort your leaks again?


Richard, there are lots of leaks from your brain that is for certain.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile
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In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:


I would like to help but alas my skills are limited in
this area.

You never said a truer word.


Mr Cranium, there are better people
around that can help you than me.


You never said a truer word.


These people tend to wear white coats.


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Andy Hall wrote:
On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:46:39 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"NikV" wrote in message
...
Hi
I've got to gain space in our small bedroom so I want to put the hot water
tank in the loft, how high above the top of the hot water tank should the
water surface of the cold water tank be. Has anybody got any links to
sites
with cold water tanks which will fit high up in the ridge - I've googled
but
can't find anything.
Any advice welcome - ps can't afford to change from the current open
vented
system ATM

Have the kitchen tap off the mains. For the hot and cold water for the rest
of the house use one of these, as it fits nicely in the loft.
http://www.rcmgroup.co.uk/specialize...ower/index.htm
You can take the shower off it The cold taps can be taken off it and the
hot taps too giving good mixing at the basins and bath. It is heated from a
normal system boiler.


Are you certain about that?

There are no mention of boiler connections and none are shown....


I have used one of these combi cylinders and a combi boiler for only
shower use. Worked a treat. Easy and quick to install as the cylinder
was all one unit being fitted in the loft. The cold mains pipe could
not supply a full mains pressure system, yet could do a very good
shower. I used a W-B Junior combi boiler, also in the loft, on the end
gable wall. A great solution I got from IMM here two or three years
ago.


This doesn't surprise me in the least. I am surprised that it took
you so long to chime in with support for your brother's inappropriate
proposal.



I always look at combis as the first option for obvious reasons,


A combi is not " a first option for obvious reasons for every
situation".

then a
Rinnai multi-point and system boiler, then the combi cylinder and combi
boiler method, then a thermal store. Megaflows require a plumber with
an unvented ticket and that is out for me.

IMM mentioned a 76 KW combi. This would solve many of my problems even
if a larger meter was installed. Cost considerations of course. I have
noticed that 40 KW is about the largest combi power rating, which is
not that great on flowrate, then a big jump to 76 KW. Anyone know of a
55KW combi? That would be ideal if the flow rate is around 25 litres a
minute. The only way to fill this gap to get the flow rates is install
two combis, which I did about 4 or 5 years ago, again using W-B
Juniors, and one since.


This has been one of his standard solutions.

You can calculate what the flow rate is.

It is defined by mass, specific heat and temperature rise. That's it.
Anything in excess of that is defined by the size of any store. That's
also it.

There is no sleight of hand or oofle dust in any of this.


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