Hi, I was wondering if anyone would be able to advise me on a refused
planning application. It was for turning part of my front garden
(approx 40m x 7m wide) into a parking area. It was recently refused due

to the highways dept stating that there was no way we could turn our
car round in the room provided (we can) and that we would potentially
have to drive near the roots of a protected tree. At the monent we are
having to park on a busy main road and are obstructing the visability
for other drivers but despite discussing this with highways they would
not budge from their decision. Has anyone had any experience of this as

we don't know what to do next. Thanks

wrote:
Hi, I was wondering if anyone would be able to advise me on a refused
planning application. It was for turning part of my front garden
(approx 40m x 7m wide) into a parking area. It was recently refused due

to the highways dept stating that there was no way we could turn our
car round in the room provided (we can) and that we would potentially
have to drive near the roots of a protected tree. At the monent we are
having to park on a busy main road and are obstructing the visability
for other drivers but despite discussing this with highways they would
not budge from their decision. Has anyone had any experience of this as

we don't know what to do next. Thanks

I was refused planning permission, even though the planning people liked
it, highways said it was a big safety improvement. Why? Simply because
it was partly under the canopy of a protected tree. The only way round
was to get an expert in who would give detailed drawings of a system
that would protect the roots. Cost would have been 5 figures, so I put
up and shut up! You even need planning permission to erect a shed
beneath a protected tree, though I suspect many just go ahead, and all
the best to them.

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In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
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Hi, I was wondering if anyone would be able to advise me on a refused
planning application. It was for turning part of my front garden
(approx 40m x 7m wide) into a parking area. It was recently refused
due

to the highways dept stating that there was no way we could turn our
car round in the room provided (we can) and that we would potentially
have to drive near the roots of a protected tree. At the monent we are
having to park on a busy main road and are obstructing the visability
for other drivers but despite discussing this with highways they would
not budge from their decision. Has anyone had any experience of this
as

we don't know what to do next. Thanks

Perhaps you need to arrange an 'accident' for the protected tree? g
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Even if an 'accident' did happen they still say we can't turn a vehicle
in the space provided - even though we can!

On 28 Nov 2005 05:02:52 -0800, wrote:

Even if an 'accident' did happen they still say we can't turn a vehicle
in the space provided - even though we can!


Talk to your councillor and ask them to arrange a visit with them and
somebody from planning.


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Even if an 'accident' did happen they still say we can't turn a vehicle
in the space provided - even though we can!

1. The important words might be "busy main road". The highways will
probably see this as allowing several cars to park with extra traffic
loading. For example if in the future you or a new house owner decided to
let the house to a several folk all with their own cars.
2. Are you in a conservation area
3. Googling (in UK) for "parking on front gardens" throws up a lot of
stuff, so it seems to be a hot topic for local government at this point in
time. I imagine they have had recommendations from higher levels of
government.


bland

Thanks for your replies!

We're not in a conservation area. You could be right about it being a
'hot topic' etc as the enviroment agency have been talking about people
swapping lawns for hardstandings and the inpact on wildlife etc.

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
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Thanks for your replies!

We're not in a conservation area. You could be right about it being a
'hot topic' etc as the enviroment agency have been talking about
people swapping lawns for hardstandings and the inpact on wildlife
etc.

There are consultants whom you can employ to help you with planning
appeals - in either direction. One such advertises in some of the free
papers around Warwick, where I live. [Not sure whether your email address is
indicative of a similar location].
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Hi, I was wondering if anyone would be able to advise me on a refused
planning application. It was for turning part of my front garden
(approx 40m x 7m wide) into a parking area. It was recently refused due

to the highways dept stating that there was no way we could turn our
car round in the room provided (we can) and that we would potentially

You could answer this part of the objection by marking off an exactly same
sized patch with some mounded lines of sand, on a parking lot or somewhere,
and video it - with shots of the undisturbed sand.
The problem.
The easy reply to this is "most cars" can't be turned in this space.

I wonder about turntables.

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Hi, I was wondering if anyone would be able to advise me on a refused
planning application. It was for turning part of my front garden
(approx 40m x 7m wide) into a parking area. It was recently refused due

to the highways dept stating that there was no way we could turn our
car round in the room provided (we can)

Whether you can turn the vehicle you currently own is irrelevant. The
planners have to allow for future changes of ownership, so what they mean is
that there is insufficient room to turn a standardised vehicle that
represents X% of vehicles on the road, where X is probably around 95%.

Colin Bignell

Our car is a Landrover freelander - not the smallest of cars! - but we
can do a three point turn. Could anyone advise if we were to resubmit
plans with a turntable would it have to go straight to appeal or are
you given a chance to resubmit.

Thanks

wrote:
Our car is a Landrover freelander - not the smallest of cars! - but we
can do a three point turn. Could anyone advise if we were to resubmit
plans with a turntable would it have to go straight to appeal or are
you given a chance to resubmit.

Thanks

Which area are you in and is the tree on your land or on the pavement?

The type of car and whether you can do a 3 point turn with it is
irrelevant. They will work from standard figures.

It's hard to assess your problem without really seeing it but I had a
problem with my local council over extending a driveway. Their
'engineer' was being a stubborn barsteward and was making up all the
excuses to suit. It took plenty of letter writing but I got my way in
the end.
I'd advise you get all the measurements that your local council work to
rather than take their word for it.

On 28 Nov 2005 03:42:28 -0800, wrote:

It was recently refused due

to the highways dept stating that there was no way we could turn our
car round in the room provided

Why do you have to turn it around anyway?

In article , owain47125
@stirlingcity.coo.uk says...
Nobody wrote:
It was recently refused due
to the highways dept stating that there was no way we could turn our
car round in the room provided
Why do you have to turn it around anyway?

Because you're not allowed to / the highways dept don't like you to
reverse your car on to a main road.

So reverse in rather than reversing out - easier for unloading the
shopping too.

A friend of mine at work has hardstanding for 3 cars at the rear of his
property, he submitted planning permision for a garage, it was refused
on an objection by the highways department that by building a garage he
would reduce the equivelent parking space to 2 cars from 3, this they
claim will increase the possibility of people parking in the road. He
has ignored the refusal and is building it anyway it will be
interesting to see if they check up on him and if so what the outcome
would be

In article . com,
writes
Our car is a Landrover freelander - not the smallest of cars! - but we
can do a three point turn. Could anyone advise if we were to resubmit
plans with a turntable would it have to go straight to appeal or are
you given a chance to resubmit.

Thanks

You can resubmit revised plans and has been said earlier the highways
will base their decision on standard cars, not what the current house
owner has so as to future proof any decision. My experience of the
planning process has shown me that the highways are one agency that can
make or break a planning decision unilaterally without too much trouble,
useful if you can get them to object to a development you don't want...

--
David

It seems that you can't win whatever you do, they don't want you
parking on the road yet they won't allow you to park on your own land.

In article ,
Owain wrote:
Nobody wrote:
It was recently refused due
to the highways dept stating that there was no way we could turn our
car round in the room provided
Why do you have to turn it around anyway?

Because you're not allowed to / the highways dept don't like you to
reverse your car on to a main road.

What's wrong with doing it the correct way - ie reversing in?

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A friend of mine at work has hardstanding for 3 cars at the rear of his
property, he submitted planning permision for a garage, it was refused
on an objection by the highways department that by building a garage he
would reduce the equivelent parking space to 2 cars from 3, this they
claim will increase the possibility of people parking in the road. He
has ignored the refusal and is building it anyway it will be
interesting to see if they check up on him and if so what the outcome
would be

They can make him pull the garage down. If it gets through without them
noticing, in years to come he may need to demolish it when selling, if a
sharp lawyer looks into it.

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Rob Morley wrote:


So reverse in rather than reversing out - easier for unloading the
shopping too.

I totally agree - but it's pretty difficult to enforce as a condition for
granting planning permission.
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On 28 Nov 2005 03:42:28 -0800, wrote:

Hi, I was wondering if anyone would be able to advise me on a refused
planning application. It was for turning part of my front garden
(approx 40m x 7m wide) into a parking area. It was recently refused due

to the highways dept stating that there was no way we could turn our
car round in the room provided (we can) and that we would potentially
have to drive near the roots of a protected tree. At the monent we are
having to park on a busy main road and are obstructing the visability
for other drivers but despite discussing this with highways they would
not budge from their decision. Has anyone had any experience of this as

we don't know what to do next. Thanks

I'd just park in the garden, then arrange to have a 20 tonne lorry tip
a pile of stone into the mud.

Maybe after a while I'd put a nice border in too.

Rick

In article ,
Set Square wrote:
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Rob Morley wrote:


So reverse in rather than reversing out - easier for unloading the
shopping too.

I totally agree - but it's pretty difficult to enforce as a condition for
granting planning permission.

Sue them for their assumption that you're a bad driver? ;-)

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Set Square wrote:
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Rob Morley wrote:


So reverse in rather than reversing out - easier for unloading the
shopping too.

I totally agree - but it's pretty difficult to enforce as a condition for
granting planning permission.
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But reversing in on a main road will hold up traffic so no different to
reversing out.

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wrote:

Set Square wrote:
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Rob Morley wrote:

So reverse in rather than reversing out - easier for unloading the
shopping too.

I totally agree - but it's pretty difficult to enforce as a condition for
granting planning permission.

But reversing in on a main road will hold up traffic so no different to
reversing out.

Obviously you are not a driver.

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On 28 Nov 2005 03:42:28 -0800, wrote:

Hi, I was wondering if anyone would be able to advise me on a refused
planning application. It was for turning part of my front garden
(approx 40m x 7m wide) into a parking area. It was recently refused due

to the highways dept stating that there was no way we could turn our
car round in the room provided (we can) and that we would potentially
have to drive near the roots of a protected tree. At the monent we are
having to park on a busy main road and are obstructing the visability
for other drivers but despite discussing this with highways they would
not budge from their decision. Has anyone had any experience of this as

we don't know what to do next. Thanks

I'd just park in the garden, then arrange to have a 20 tonne lorry tip
a pile of stone into the mud.

Maybe after a while I'd put a nice border in too.

Rick

I once saw a garden with a turntable in, so as to drive in and out the right
way round.

mrcheerful

"John Cartmell" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Owain wrote:
Nobody wrote:
It was recently refused due
to the highways dept stating that there was no way we could turn our
car round in the room provided
Why do you have to turn it around anyway?

Because you're not allowed to / the highways dept don't like you to
reverse your car on to a main road.

What's wrong with doing it the correct way - ie reversing in?


AIUI; the 'correct' aka Prescot-ODPM way necessitates a
means of driving _in_ and _out_ to the front. Reversing isn't
permitted for planning-purposes. Your 'correct' way; reverse in
then drive front-wise out - which I do - is permitted with
'grandfather' rights.

--

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I once saw a garden with a turntable in, so as to drive in and out the
right way round.


Another bizarre device they have around here basically allows you to park
one car on top of the other on a kind of rotating lift. How it works I have
no idea! It looks all very Thunderbirds ;-)

Doctor Drivel wrote:

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A friend of mine at work has hardstanding for 3 cars at the rear of his
property, he submitted planning permision for a garage, it was refused
on an objection by the highways department that by building a garage he
would reduce the equivelent parking space to 2 cars from 3, this they
claim will increase the possibility of people parking in the road. He
has ignored the refusal and is building it anyway it will be
interesting to see if they check up on him and if so what the outcome
would be

They can make him pull the garage down. If it gets through without them
noticing, in years to come he may need to demolish it when selling, if a
sharp lawyer looks into it.

ISTR planning permission can't be enforced after a certain number of
years.

MBQ

John Cartmell wrote:
In article . com,
wrote:

Set Square wrote:
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Rob Morley wrote:

So reverse in rather than reversing out - easier for unloading the
shopping too.

I totally agree - but it's pretty difficult to enforce as a condition for
granting planning permission.

But reversing in on a main road will hold up traffic so no different to
reversing out.

Obviously you are not a driver.

Yes, I am a driver. If you want to reverse into your drive then you'll
have to make sure there is no traffic behind you which is going to be
hard on a main road.


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In article .com,
wrote:

John Cartmell wrote:
In article . com,
wrote:

Set Square wrote:
In an earlier contribution to this discussion, Rob Morley
wrote:

So reverse in rather than reversing out - easier for unloading the
shopping too.

I totally agree - but it's pretty difficult to enforce as a condition
for granting planning permission.

But reversing in on a main road will hold up traffic so no different to
reversing out.

Obviously you are not a driver.

Yes, I am a driver. If you want to reverse into your drive then you'll have
to make sure there is no traffic behind you which is going to be hard on a
main road.

But not the potential hold up that you get from someone trying to reverse into
a traffic stream.

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In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
wrote:


Yes, I am a driver. If you want to reverse into your drive then you'll
have to make sure there is no traffic behind you which is going to be
hard on a main road.

Nothing like as hard as ensuring there's nothing coming when you reverse
*out*!
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In article . com,
wrote:

Set Square wrote:
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Rob Morley wrote:

So reverse in rather than reversing out - easier for unloading the
shopping too.

I totally agree - but it's pretty difficult to enforce as a condition for
granting planning permission.

But reversing in on a main road will hold up traffic so no different to
reversing out.

Obviously you are not a driver.


I think someone (else!) needs to check the highway code, esp with regard
to reversing from a minor to a major road.

Whilst a driveway isn't specifically a road, the intent is clear.

Even disregarding that, as others posters have pointed out, I'd much
rather reverse "out of traffic" than into it.
Someone

in 473054 20051129 093216 John Cartmell wrote:
In article ,
Owain wrote:
Nobody wrote:
It was recently refused due
to the highways dept stating that there was no way we could turn our
car round in the room provided
Why do you have to turn it around anyway?

Because you're not allowed to / the highways dept don't like you to
reverse your car on to a main road.

What's wrong with doing it the correct way - ie reversing in?

Reversing into your drive probably means reversing into the garage as well,
and it will soon be full of fumes and soot..

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 04:20:57 -0000, Rob Morley
wrote:

In article , owain47125
says...
Nobody wrote:
It was recently refused due
to the highways dept stating that there was no way we could turn our
car round in the room provided
Why do you have to turn it around anyway?

Because you're not allowed to / the highways dept don't like you to
reverse your car on to a main road.

So reverse in rather than reversing out - easier for unloading the
shopping too.

You don't have the choice. I went and looked at the original planning
file for converting this place into a house from the planning office and
making it possible to turn a car round was a condition of the planning
permission.

Mind you, it was on the A46 then.
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember saying
something like:

planning application. It was for turning part of my front garden
(approx 40m x 7m wide) into a parking area. It was recently refused due

to the highways dept stating that there was no way we could turn our
car round in the room provided (we can) and that we would potentially
have to drive near the roots of a protected tree. At the monent we are
having to park on a busy main road and are obstructing the visability
for other drivers but despite discussing this with highways they would
not budge from their decision. Has anyone had any experience of this as

we don't know what to do next. Thanks

Get a car turntable.
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