"The government is moving towards extending self-certification across other
trades. From April 2006, competent persons will be required to
self-certificate [sic] plumbing work, including unvented cylinders, to meet
the compliance requirements of the Building Regulations. As /Gas Installer/
goes to press, we have yet to be informed of the complete criteria for
entry and how this competency may be measured."
(From CORGI's 'Gas Installer' magazine, November 2005 issue, just out.)

So there you have it: another meticulously thought-out scheme worked out in
full consultation with all the relevant bodies and introduced in a measured
timescale. Now might be a good time to let your elected representatives
know what an unmitigated success Part P has been and how much you think the
proposed regs will help consumers, the trades and responsible DIYers,
perhaps with especial reference to the skills shortage and how having to
pay through the nose for fancy registered plumbers and electricians because
of the changes may affect your voting intentions.

Perhaps also your MP can find out how many lives these proposed measures
(whatever they are) will save (and how).

ISTR the words "Regulatory Impact Assessment" from somewhere, too.

wrote:
"The government is moving towards extending self-certification across other
trades. From April 2006, competent persons will be required to
self-certificate [sic] plumbing work, including unvented cylinders, to meet
the compliance requirements of the Building Regulations. As /Gas Installer/
goes to press, we have yet to be informed of the complete criteria for
entry and how this competency may be measured."
(From CORGI's 'Gas Installer' magazine, November 2005 issue, just out.)

So there you have it: another meticulously thought-out scheme worked out in
full consultation with all the relevant bodies and introduced in a measured
timescale. Now might be a good time to let your elected representatives
know what an unmitigated success Part P has been and how much you think the
proposed regs will help consumers, the trades and responsible DIYers,
perhaps with especial reference to the skills shortage and how having to
pay through the nose for fancy registered plumbers and electricians because
of the changes may affect your voting intentions.

Perhaps also your MP can find out how many lives these proposed measures
(whatever they are) will save (and how).

ISTR the words "Regulatory Impact Assessment" from somewhere, too.


Ah but not having the ideal fall specified in the regs can be lethal. I
have it right here, the annual statistics for combined road and
plumbing deaths: 3600 per year. Horrendous! You should be ashamed of
yourself for undermining this attempt to take away the basic freedoms
of the public, their right to make their plumbing better. Ahem, I mean
to save thousands of lives.

Sounds familiar...


NT

This is bull**** pushed from what used to be the Institute of Plumbers.
This is the mob who said (condescendingly) that DIY of putting up a
few shelves was OK, but that plumbing definitely needed a professional.

When I was a kid, living not too far from you, the area was part of
Wokingham and remained unchanged politically for donkey's years.
People had their businesses and the government didn't interfere. Now
we hear that "Jane's the one". What is this crap?

In respect of Part P, I did write to my MP, (the Shadow Secretary of
State for Deregulation) and he in turn did write to ministers in J++'s
department. Frankly, it was a waste of time because the civil servants
involved had blatantly cooked the books in terms of the RIA (probably
under ministerial pressure).

One answer is to write, expose and embarrass.

I've always been a believer in the concept of "Some men are discovered.
Others are found out". J++ is way past the second and ready for a
fall. THe real question is when will the electorate stop drinking the
Kool Aid and realise what's going on.....

Of course, if all else fails, we should at least ensure that the
Approved Document to Part Q contains an explicit requirement that
hacksaws must not be used for cutting plastic pipe. This act alone
would make RWE group a lot more money without having to drop water
pressures. Of course J++ wouldn't be a sailor again, so a lot of
people would be disappointed.

On 31 Oct 2005 13:15:03 -0800, "andy hall"
wrote:

This is bull**** pushed from what used to be the Institute of Plumbers.
This is the mob who said (condescendingly) that DIY of putting up a
few shelves was OK, but that plumbing definitely needed a professional.

This is the stuff they keep repeating over and over again on DIY
programs. Frankly you're a lot more likely to injure yourself putting
up shelves than you are doing plumbing work. If one were to check A&E
department statistics for DIY injuries I don't think DIY plumbers or
DIY electricians are going to feature much in them.

On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:58:28 GMT, a particular chimpanzee named
randomly hit the keyboard and produced:

"The government is moving towards extending self-certification across other
trades. From April 2006, competent persons will be required to
self-certificate [sic] plumbing work, including unvented cylinders, to meet
the compliance requirements of the Building Regulations. As /Gas Installer/
goes to press, we have yet to be informed of the complete criteria for
entry and how this competency may be measured."
(From CORGI's 'Gas Installer' magazine, November 2005 issue, just out.)

It's already a requirement to notify Building Control of any
installation of or alteration to drainage, and for the installation of
unvented hot water storage vessels. Water supply is covered by its
own set of regulations, although not controlled by Building Control.

There was a self-certification scheme available for the Institute of
Plumbers to install unvented hot water storage vessels and to work on
drainage, but it wasn't taken up, so it was repealed. Are CORGI
launching over a take-over bid for all plumbing work?

I've just looked on the ODPM website, and I can't see anything which
changes these positions.
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