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A church is having to pay 1,300 to replace four 80p light bulbs
because of new health and safety laws. The EU's "working at height"
directive meant a full risk assessment had to be carried out and a
scaffolding tower brought in to reach the bulbs.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/4354584.stm


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:::Jerry:::: wrote:
A church is having to pay 1,300 to replace four 80p light bulbs
because of new health and safety laws. The EU's "working at height"
directive meant a full risk assessment had to be carried out and a
scaffolding tower brought in to reach the bulbs.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/4354584.stm


Makes you wonder whether someone should email the Vicar and tell him to
implement pully lighting. :-)
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The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
:::Jerry:::: wrote:
A church is having to pay 1,300 to replace four 80p light bulbs
because of new health and safety laws. The EU's "working at height"
directive meant a full risk assessment had to be carried out and a
scaffolding tower brought in to reach the bulbs.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/4354584.stm


Makes you wonder whether someone should email the Vicar and tell him to
implement pully lighting. :-)
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I would have done it as a foreigner for 20 cash. It would have to
have been on a Sunday though.

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:::Jerry:::: wrote:
A church is having to pay 1,300 to replace four 80p light bulbs
because of new health and safety laws. The EU's "working at
height" directive meant a full risk assessment had to be carried
out and a scaffolding tower brought in to reach the bulbs.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/4354584.stm


What good are angels if you can't get them to change the odd light bulb?


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:::Jerry:::: wrote:
A church is having to pay 1,300 to replace four 80p light bulbs
because of new health and safety laws. The EU's "working at height"
directive meant a full risk assessment had to be carried out and a
scaffolding tower brought in to reach the bulbs.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/4354584.stm


Sounds like the local firm have found an excuse to rip the church off,
or don't understand the concept of risk assessments.

A risk assessment would be a one off job, taking maybe an hour. Assuming
the firm do lots of such work they should have a generic risk
assessment, just changing any bits that are specific risks associated
with the particular site. Even if the risk assessment was checked and
signed off every time the job was done to confirm it was still valid,
that adds only a couple of minutes each time.

Even if it was impossible to move the scaff tower and you had to
dismantle and reassemble it four times, its still only going to be a few
hours work.

Chris

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In message ws.net,
":::Jerry::::" writes
A church is having to pay 1,300 to replace four 80p light bulbs
because of new health and safety laws. The EU's "working at height"
directive meant a full risk assessment had to be carried out and a
scaffolding tower brought in to reach the bulbs.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/4354584.stm

The path to enlightenment eh ?

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In article . com,
says...
The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
:::Jerry:::: wrote:
A church is having to pay 1,300 to replace four 80p light bulbs
because of new health and safety laws. The EU's "working at height"
directive meant a full risk assessment had to be carried out and a
scaffolding tower brought in to reach the bulbs.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/4354584.stm

Makes you wonder whether someone should email the Vicar and tell him to
implement pully lighting. :-)


I would have done it as a foreigner for 20 cash. It would have to
have been on a Sunday though.

I'd have thought they could find someone who'd do it for nothing, thus
avoiding all the "health and safety at work" stuff, but maybe their
insurance doesn't let them do that.
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"raden" wrote in message...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/4354584.stm

The path to enlightenment eh ?


ROTFLMFAO, nice one!


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raden wrote:

In message ws.net,
":::Jerry::::" writes
A church is having to pay 1,300 to replace four 80p light bulbs
because of new health and safety laws. The EU's "working at height"
directive meant a full risk assessment had to be carried out and a
scaffolding tower brought in to reach the bulbs.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/4354584.stm

The path to enlightenment eh ?


They are still considering Dribble's quote for fitting two combi's in
the Belfry as after consulting the bishop they might not need the
space on the ground floor for another 5 pulpits and 3 fonts.

Does holy water leak?

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On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:15:16 GMT, "The3rd Earl Of Derby"
wrote:

:::Jerry:::: wrote:
A church is having to pay £1,300 to replace four 80p light bulbs
because of new health and safety laws. The EU's "working at height"
directive meant a full risk assessment had to be carried out and a
scaffolding tower brought in to reach the bulbs.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/4354584.stm


Makes you wonder whether someone should email the Vicar and tell him to
implement pully lighting. :-)



40ft ...How far up do those mini hydraulic platforms extend to .

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:::Jerry:::: wrote:

A church is having to pay 1,300 to replace four 80p light bulbs
because of new health and safety laws. The EU's "working at height"
directive meant a full risk assessment had to be carried out and a
scaffolding tower brought in to reach the bulbs.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/4354584.stm



A good example of just how badly designed a lighting installation can
be.

And a great illustration of how dim the reverend is.

Regrettably not a good illustration of the reality that some
regulations have got somewhat silly.


NT

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"Matt" aka Lord Hall wrote in message
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raden wrote:

In message ws.net,
":::Jerry::::" writes
A church is having to pay 1,300 to replace four 80p light bulbs
because of new health and safety laws. The EU's "working at height"
directive meant a full risk assessment had to be carried out and a
scaffolding tower brought in to reach the bulbs.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/4354584.stm

The path to enlightenment eh ?


They are still considering


This man should boiled in oil for blasphemy. Appalling, Godless,
disrespectful person. I don't know how people like this can live with
themselves.


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Doctor Drivel wrote:
I don't know how people like this can live with themselves.


Most people live with partners and maybe family.

It's sad you've never experienced this, but explains a lot.

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meow2222 wrote:
:::Jerry:::: wrote:
A church is having to pay 1,300 to replace four 80p light bulbs
because of new health and safety laws. The EU's "working at height"
directive meant a full risk assessment had to be carried out and a
scaffolding tower brought in to reach the bulbs.


A good example of just how badly designed a lighting installation can
be.

And a great illustration of how dim the reverend is.


In what way?
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"Chris Bacon" wrote in message
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meow2222 wrote:
:::Jerry:::: wrote:
A church is having to pay 1,300 to replace four 80p light bulbs
because of new health and safety laws. The EU's "working at height"
directive meant a full risk assessment had to be carried out and a
scaffolding tower brought in to reach the bulbs.


A good example of just how badly designed a lighting installation can
be.

And a great illustration of how dim the reverend is.


In what way?


The bulbs conked that is why the reverend was dim.




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Doctor Drivel wrote:

This man should boiled in oil for blasphemy. Appalling, Godless,
disrespectful person. I don't know how people like this can live with
themselves.


LMAO.


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Matt wrote:
raden wrote:

In message ws.net,
":::Jerry::::" writes
A church is having to pay 1,300 to replace four 80p light bulbs
because of new health and safety laws. The EU's "working at height"
directive meant a full risk assessment had to be carried out and a
scaffolding tower brought in to reach the bulbs.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/4354584.stm

The path to enlightenment eh ?


They are still considering Dribble's quote for fitting two combi's in
the Belfry as after consulting the bishop they might not need the
space on the ground floor for another 5 pulpits and 3 fonts.

Does holy water leak?


Dunno, but you can soften it by wrapping prayer beads around the pipe
and connecting them to a 9V battery.

MBQ


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On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:15:16 GMT, "The3rd Earl Of Derby"
wrote:

:::Jerry:::: wrote:
A church is having to pay 1,300 to replace four 80p light bulbs
because of new health and safety laws. The EU's "working at height"
directive meant a full risk assessment had to be carried out and a
scaffolding tower brought in to reach the bulbs.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/4354584.stm


Makes you wonder whether someone should email the Vicar and tell him to
implement pully lighting. :-)


According to the paper the previous bills were 200 a time.

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Matt wrote:
They are still considering Dribble's quote for fitting two combi's in
the Belfry as after consulting the bishop they might not need the
space on the ground floor for another 5 pulpits and 3 fonts.


Would he be fitting them himself? I've heard the phrase "bats in the
belfry"...


I have heard that too.

Does holy water leak?


Only out of holy pipes :-)


That is true. Mainly pushfit.


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"Owain" wrote in message
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Doctor Drivel wrote:


This man should boiled in oil for blasphemy. Appalling, Godless,
disrespectful person. I don't know how people like this can live with
themselves.


Unlike you, most people don't have multiple personalities


You see me everywhere don't you. What does your analyst think?





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"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile
flatulence wrote in message ...
In article ws.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:


I don't know how people like this can live with themselves.


Most people live with partners and maybe family.


You don't say....
Do have an escape committee at the clinic?

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In article , Chris
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Sounds like the local firm have found an excuse to rip the church
off, or don't understand the concept of risk assessments.


This thread sent me off to the HSE website (I change the light bulbs in
our church) and my reading of it is that there is no objection to using
ladders for short duration tasks (-30 minutes) where you are not having
to handle heavy loads and/or work in a way that stops you being able to
hold on to the ladder.

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Chris Bacon wrote:
meow2222 wrote:
:::Jerry:::: wrote:


A church is having to pay 1,300 to replace four 80p light bulbs
because of new health and safety laws. The EU's "working at height"
directive meant a full risk assessment had to be carried out and a
scaffolding tower brought in to reach the bulbs.


A good example of just how badly designed a lighting installation can
be.

And a great illustration of how dim the reverend is.


In what way?


several.

Firstly for putting 80p bulbs in there instead of long life ones.

2ndly for failing to confirm the price before the work began, and
merely assuming it would be the same as last time, and giving them
carte blanche.

3rdly paying the bill without saying woooah, I dont think so, we'll be
getting expert opinion on that one first. And if by some means you do
end up getting this from us, we wont be using you again.

4thly for continuing to use lights 40ft up that cost arms and legs to
replace bulbs in, instead of spsnding the money on either putting a few
lower level lights in, or fitting lights on ropes that can be hauled
down.

5thly for not finding out what HSE says first and saying, nope, you
didnt need to use the scaffolding and we're not paying for it.

etc etc.


NT

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On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:22:12 +0100, Tony Bryer wrote:

In article , Chris
wrote:
Sounds like the local firm have found an excuse to rip the church
off, or don't understand the concept of risk assessments.


This thread sent me off to the HSE website (I change the light bulbs in
our church) and my reading of it is that there is no objection to using
ladders for short duration tasks (-30 minutes) where you are not having
to handle heavy loads and/or work in a way that stops you being able to
hold on to the ladder.


Takes two hands to change a light bulb?


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In message , Matt
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raden wrote:

In message ws.net,
":::Jerry::::" writes
A church is having to pay 1,300 to replace four 80p light bulbs
because of new health and safety laws. The EU's "working at height"
directive meant a full risk assessment had to be carried out and a
scaffolding tower brought in to reach the bulbs.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/4354584.stm

The path to enlightenment eh ?


They are still considering Dribble's quote for fitting two combi's in
the Belfry as after consulting the bishop they might not need the
space on the ground floor for another 5 pulpits and 3 fonts.

Does holy water leak?

Only through the holes

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In message ws.net,
Doctor Drivel writes

"Matt" aka Lord Hall wrote in message
.. .
raden wrote:

In message ws.net,
":::Jerry::::" writes
A church is having to pay 1,300 to replace four 80p light bulbs
because of new health and safety laws. The EU's "working at height"
directive meant a full risk assessment had to be carried out and a
scaffolding tower brought in to reach the bulbs.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/4354584.stm

The path to enlightenment eh ?


They are still considering


This man should boiled in oil for blasphemy. Appalling, Godless,
disrespectful person. I don't know how people like this can live with
themselves.


In the immortal words of Jesus H Christ

"**** off drivel"


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In message .com,
writes
:::Jerry:::: wrote:

A church is having to pay 1,300 to replace four 80p light bulbs
because of new health and safety laws. The EU's "working at height"
directive meant a full risk assessment had to be carried out and a
scaffolding tower brought in to reach the bulbs.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/4354584.stm


A good example of just how badly designed a lighting installation can
be.


NO - that's intelligent design that is


And a great illustration of how dim the reverend is.


No comment


Regrettably not a good illustration of the reality that some
regulations have got somewhat silly.

Hey, I was really ****ed off yesterday and in half a mind to unsub

nothing like a good thread to perk you up is there

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In message , Matt
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raden wrote:

In message ws.net,
":::Jerry::::" writes
A church is having to pay 1,300 to replace four 80p light bulbs
because of new health and safety laws. The EU's "working at height"
directive meant a full risk assessment had to be carried out and a
scaffolding tower brought in to reach the bulbs.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/4354584.stm

The path to enlightenment eh ?


They are still considering Dribble's quote for fitting two combi's in
the Belfry as after consulting the bishop they might not need the
space on the ground floor for another 5 pulpits and 3 fonts.

Does holy water leak?

Only through the holes


Maxie, where do you think holy smoke goes?


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"raden" wrote in message
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In message ws.net,
Doctor Drivel writes

"Matt" aka Lord Hall wrote in message
.. .
raden wrote:

In message ws.net,
":::Jerry::::" writes
A church is having to pay 1,300 to replace four 80p light bulbs
because of new health and safety laws. The EU's "working at height"
directive meant a full risk assessment had to be carried out and a
scaffolding tower brought in to reach the bulbs.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/4354584.stm

The path to enlightenment eh ?

They are still considering


This man should boiled in oil for blasphemy. Appalling, Godless,
disrespectful person. I don't know how people like this can live with
themselves.


In the immortal words of Jesus H Christ

"**** off drivel"


...Maxie's had nice good swear
...the sort of language we should not hear.
...a courteous man? Maxie ain't
...he causes old ladies to drop and faint

...walk around Watford if you dare
...you will hear expletives through the air
...as Maxie screams out loud
...the sort of language of which he's proud
...with effs and C's and B's and T's
...directing words at old ladies

...the Plod viewed Maxie so adverse
...as he shouted out a curse
...they took this foul mouthed fatty man
...and slapped him right inside the can

...through the keyhole Maxie directed
...foul mouthed words towards the detective

...wearing a poka dot frock he did shout
...you effing *******s let me out
...the Plod had enough of this fat slob
...and rammed his frock inside his gob




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nothing like a good thread to perk you up is there


Don't be silly Geoff. A good dose of Drivel is a laugh. Even the most
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In article ,
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Hey, I was really ****ed off yesterday and in half a mind to unsub
nothing like a good thread to perk you up is there


Don't be silly Geoff. A good dose of Drivel is a laugh. Even the most
stupid like to know there is someone beneath them in the pond life.

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Matt wrote:
raden wrote:

In message ws.net,
":::Jerry::::" writes
A church is having to pay 1,300 to replace four 80p light bulbs
because of new health and safety laws. The EU's "working at height"
directive meant a full risk assessment had to be carried out and a
scaffolding tower brought in to reach the bulbs.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/4354584.stm

The path to enlightenment eh ?


They are still considering Dribble's quote for fitting two combi's in
the Belfry as after consulting the bishop they might not need the
space on the ground floor for another 5 pulpits and 3 fonts.

Does holy water leak?


dunno about that but my string vest are religious.

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wrote:
:::Jerry:::: wrote:

A church is having to pay 1,300 to replace four 80p light bulbs
because of new health and safety laws. The EU's "working at height"
directive meant a full risk assessment had to be carried out and a
scaffolding tower brought in to reach the bulbs.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/4354584.stm


A good example of just how badly designed a lighting installation can
be.

And a great illustration of how dim the reverend is.

Regrettably not a good illustration of the reality that some
regulations have got somewhat silly.


To be fair, according to BBC radio, the reverend has said he will be
lowering the fittings and fitting long life bulbs.

MBQ

NT




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In article . uk, Ed
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Takes two hands to change a light bulb?


Not if it's a fixed spotlight as in our case. If I read it right the
HSE paper says that it is OK to temporarily not hold on to the ladder
(e.g. when starting a screw)

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In article ws.net,
:::Jerry:::: wrote:
A church is having to pay 1,300 to replace four 80p light bulbs
because of new health and safety laws. The EU's "working at height"
directive meant a full risk assessment had to be carried out and a
scaffolding tower brought in to reach the bulbs.


There was a bit on 'You & Yours' on R4 today. An interview with the
electrical firm that did the work. Seems it wasn't just blown bulbs but
faulty fittings. Which had to be sourced as near a match as possible and
replaced. Which it seems involved drilling new fixing holes in the wall or
ceiling. And they replaced all the other bulbs at the same time.

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