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Who owns what?
I am in the process of doing up a Victorian terrace and one of the tasks
is to repoint at the back of the house. The layout is the classic Victorian l-shape :- _______ _______ _______ | | x| |y z| | | | x| |y z| | | | x| |y z| | | | x| |y z| | | |______x| |y____z| |_______ | | | | | | | | | | | | | | My | | | | House | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |_______________|______________|_______________| Do I 'own' x & y or y & z? If it is x & y then presumably I need permission from the owner next door to repoint wall 'z'. Cheers Martin -- Martin Carroll |
Martin Carroll wrote:
I am in the process of doing up a Victorian terrace and one of the tasks is to repoint at the back of the house. [snipped a load of garbage] Wanna draw a pic then upload it to a website if you have one? |
"Martin Carroll" wrote in message
... I am in the process of doing up a Victorian terrace and one of the tasks is to repoint at the back of the house. The layout is the classic Victorian l-shape :- _______ _______ _______ | | x| |y z| | | | x| |y z| | | | x| |y z| | | | x| |y z| | | |______x| |y____z| |_______ | | | | | | | | | | | | | | My | | | | House | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |_______________|______________|_______________| Do I 'own' x & y or y & z? If it is x & y then presumably I need permission from the owner next door to repoint wall 'z'. Cheers Martin -- Martin Carroll Don't know but for anyone else using OE viewing with a proportional font so a distorted ASCII image - try File / Properties / Message source to view in a fixed font |
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:01:35 +0100, Martin Carroll
wrote: I am in the process of doing up a Victorian terrace and one of the tasks is to repoint at the back of the house. The layout is the classic Victorian l-shape :- _______ _______ _______ | | x| |y z| | | | x| |y z| | | | x| |y z| | | | x| |y z| | | |______x| |y____z| |_______ | | | | | | | | | | | | | | My | | | | House | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |_______________|______________|_______________ | Do I 'own' x & y or y & z? Normally x & y unless there is something in the Land Registry information to the contrary If it is x & y then presumably I need permission from the owner next door to repoint wall 'z'. No, normally he is responsible for z but would come to you to ask for access to it for repair. Likewise you would ask the other neighbour for access to repair x. Cheers Martin -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 21:22:15 GMT, "ben" wrote:
Martin Carroll wrote: I am in the process of doing up a Victorian terrace and one of the tasks is to repoint at the back of the house. [snipped a load of garbage] Wanna draw a pic then upload it to a website if you have one? No need. If you use a fixed font, it's perfectly readable. -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
ben wrote:
[snipped a load of garbage] It's a fine ASCII drawing. Wanna draw a pic then upload it to a website if you have one? Because you can't be bothered to understand the concept of fixed width? -- Grunff |
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Martin Carroll wrote: I am in the process of doing up a Victorian terrace and one of the tasks is to repoint at the back of the house. The layout is the classic Victorian l-shape :- _______ _______ _______ | x| |y z| | | x| |y z| | | x| |y z| | | x| |y z| | |______x| |y____z| |_______ | | | | | | | | | | My | | | House | | | | | | | | | | | _______________|______________|_______________| Do I 'own' x & y or y & z? If it is x & y then presumably I need permission from the owner next door to repoint wall 'z'. Cheers Martin Dunno. What do the deeds say? Either way, if you want to re-point x, you'll need access to next door's garden - for which you will need permission! -- Cheers, Set Square ______ Please reply to newsgroup. Reply address is invalid. |
Set Square wrote:
[snip] Dunno. What do the deeds say? Either way, if you want to re-point x, you'll need access to next door's garden - for which you will need permission! Or in this case backyard? :-) |
Andy Hall wrote:
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:01:35 +0100, Martin Carroll wrote: I am in the process of doing up a Victorian terrace and one of the tasks is to repoint at the back of the house. The layout is the classic Victorian l-shape :- _______ _______ _______ | | x| |y z| | | | x| |y z| | | | x| |y z| | | | x| |y z| | | |______x| |y____z| |_______ | | | | | | | | | | | | | | My | | | | House | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |_______________|______________|______________ _| Do I 'own' x & y or y & z? Normally x & y unless there is something in the Land Registry information to the contrary If it is x & y then presumably I need permission from the owner next door to repoint wall 'z'. No, normally he is responsible for z but would come to you to ask for access to it for repair. Likewise you would ask the other neighbour for access to repair x. My deeds state that I can have access at 'all reasonable times' to maintain a wall like x. Dave |
N Cook wrote:
"Martin Carroll" wrote in message ... I am in the process of doing up a Victorian terrace and one of the tasks is to repoint at the back of the house. The layout is the classic Victorian l-shape :- _______ _______ _______ | x| |y z| | | x| |y z| | | x| |y z| | | x| |y z| | |______x| |y____z| |_______ | | | | | | | | | | My | | | House | | | | | | | | | | | _______________|______________|_______________| Do I 'own' x & y or y & z? If it is x & y then presumably I need permission from the owner next door to repoint wall 'z'. Cheers Martin -- Martin Carroll Don't know but for anyone else using OE viewing with a proportional font so a distorted ASCII image - try File / Properties / Message source to view in a fixed font Cheers, if only other people where as helpful. :-) |
ben wrote:
Cheers, if only other people where as helpful. :-) !!! Says he who kicked off with "[snipped a load of garbage]". -- Grunff |
Grunff wrote:
ben wrote: Cheers, if only other people where as helpful. :-) !!! Says he who kicked off with "[snipped a load of garbage]". dispose of nff and put mpy in its place. |
ben wrote:
dispose of nff and put mpy in its place. ROFLMAO. Such wit. You crack me up. -- Grunff |
In message , ben
writes Martin Carroll wrote: I am in the process of doing up a Victorian terrace and one of the tasks is to repoint at the back of the house. [snipped a load of garbage] Wanna draw a pic then upload it to a website if you have one? Or better still, see what it says on the deeds -- geoff |
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N Cook wrote:
"Martin Carroll" wrote in message ... I am in the process of doing up a Victorian terrace and one of the tasks is to repoint at the back of the house. The layout is the classic Victorian l-shape :- _______ _______ _______ | x| |y z| | | x| |y z| | | x| |y z| | | x| |y z| | |______x| |y____z| |_______ | | | | | | | | | | My | | | House | | | | | | | | | | | _______________|______________|_______________| Do I 'own' x & y or y & z? If it is x & y then presumably I need permission from the owner next door to repoint wall 'z'. Cheers Martin -- Martin Carroll Don't know but for anyone else using OE viewing with a proportional font so a distorted ASCII image - try File / Properties / Message source to view in a fixed font thanks for that, now i can see what he 's on about! I'd just ask for thier permision anyway. steve |
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:01:35 +0100, Martin Carroll
wrote: | I am in the process of doing up a Victorian terrace and one of the tasks | is to repoint at the back of the house. | | The layout is the classic Victorian l-shape :- | _______ _______ _______ | | | x| |y z| | | | | x| |y z| | | | | x| |y z| | | | | x| |y z| | | | |______x| |y____z| |_______ | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | My | | | | | House | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |_______________|______________|_______________| | | | Do I 'own' x & y or y & z? | | If it is x & y then presumably I need permission from the owner next | door to repoint wall 'z'. The ASCII art is clear to me. I once did a little work on a *very* old terrace house owned by a friend. She had agreement to go onto the neighbours land to clean windows etc. This is IMO probably enshrined in law somewhere. People own the walls of your house, so IMO you own x and y but not z I would ask for permission for x and z. -- Dave Fawthrop dave hyphenologist co uk "Intelligent Design?" my knees say *not*. "Intelligent Design?" my back says *not*. |
In article ,
ben wrote: I am in the process of doing up a Victorian terrace and one of the tasks is to repoint at the back of the house. [snipped a load of garbage] Wanna draw a pic then upload it to a website if you have one? Try switching to a fixed - not proportional - font on your newsreader. It looks fine here. -- *If a pig loses its voice, is it disgruntled? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
Do I 'own' x & y or y & z?
If it is x & y then presumably I need permission from the owner next door to repoint wall 'z'. You own x & y. You have a legal right to enter the property next door to maintain x, although you have a duty to do so reasonably. If your neighbours refuse, a court will grant an injunction allowing you to enter. Your neighbour owns z. Your neighbour, unless they are mentally defective, will be delighted to have you repoint their property, provided you DON'T USE CEMENT!!!!! If you destroy a neighbour's wall using cement based mortar, you will probably be liable for the damage, which could run in thousands. If you are doing it yourself, then you can make up the right lime mix. If getting someone in, make sure they know about lime. You probably want a builder specialising in older properties. Christian. |
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
ben wrote: Set Square wrote: [snip] Dunno. What do the deeds say? Either way, if you want to re-point x, you'll need access to next door's garden - for which you will need permission! Or in this case backyard? :-) I'm sure that an estate agent would describe it as a garden! g -- Cheers, Set Square ______ Please reply to newsgroup. Reply address is invalid. |
Martin Carroll wrote:
I am in the process of doing up a Victorian terrace and one of the tasks is to repoint at the back of the house. The layout is the classic Victorian l-shape :- _______ _______ _______ | | x| |y z| | | | x| |y z| | | | x| |y z| | | | x| |y z| | | |______x| |y____z| |_______ | | | | | | | | | | | | | | My | | | | House | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |_______________|______________|_______________| Do I 'own' x & y or y & z? "x" and "y" are probably "yours", "z" probably next doors. You will have to arrange to do "x" by agreement with your L.H. neighbour. Your R.H. neighbour would probably be very pleased if you did a *good* job, but might turn very nasty if it was a bodge that damaged brickwork or let water in. What are you pointing with, BTW? How are you raking out the joints? |
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:01:35 +0100, Martin Carroll
wrote: I am in the process of doing up a Victorian terrace and one of the tasks is to repoint at the back of the house. The layout is the classic Victorian l-shape :- _______ _______ _______ | | x| |y z| | | | x| |y z| | | | x| |y z| | | | x| |y z| | | |______x| |y____z| |_______ | | | | | | | | | | | | | | My | | | | House | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |_______________|______________|_______________ | Do I 'own' x & y or y & z? If it is x & y then presumably I need permission from the owner next door to repoint wall 'z'. Cheers Martin -- Martin Carroll You own X & Y, Your neighbour owns Z. (Unless your deeds state otherwise..) sponix |
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:01:26 +0100, "Christian McArdle"
wrote: Your neighbour, unless they are mentally defective, will be delighted to have you repoint their property, provided you DON'T USE CEMENT!!!!! I'd second that point. Use the correct lime based mortar. sponix |
In article , Grunff
writes ROFLMAO. Such wit. You crack me up. There's enough fixed in his message ids to kill all messages & replies to his messages, if thunderbird supports a full header search; all is peaceful here . . . -- fred |
fred wrote:
There's enough fixed in his message ids to kill all messages & replies to his messages, if thunderbird supports a full header search; all is peaceful here . . . It usually takes a lot more than that for me to killfile someone... :-) -- Grunff |
In article , Grunff
writes fred wrote: There's enough fixed in his message ids to kill all messages & replies to his messages, if thunderbird supports a full header search; all is peaceful here . . . It usually takes a lot more than that for me to killfile someone... :-) Good for you, means you'll be able to correct all the enthusiastic misinformation then :-) -- fred |
In article , s--p--o--n--i--x
writes On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:01:26 +0100, "Christian McArdle" wrote: Your neighbour, unless they are mentally defective, will be delighted to have you repoint their property, provided you DON'T USE CEMENT!!!!! I'd second that point. Use the correct lime based mortar. sponix Hmmmm! I had a good look around on the net and it seemed to me that there are arguments for and against using lime mortar. In the end I have gone for a 6-1 mix sand to cement with a plasticiser. I suspect that this choice is now going to produce a rather long thread 8-( Martin -- Martin Carroll |
Martin Carroll wrote:
I had a good look around on the net and it seemed to me that there are arguments for and against using lime mortar. In the end I have gone for a 6-1 mix sand to cement with a plasticiser. I suspect that this choice is now going to produce a rather long thread 'kinell!! Have you used much of this stuff? Even after a "good look around on the 'net"???? Rake it out. What is plasticiser, I ask you? What is it *for*? What are its effects? Why not compromise and use the ever-popular 1:1:6, which is about 50 times better. That's just a word to you, I don't think you'll get a jumbo thread, it's all been done before. Are you raking out the joints with a nice big angle grinder, too, to the depth of at least 1 1/4"?? |
In article , ben
writes [snipped a load of garbage] Another day, another tosser plonked. |
I had a good look around on the net and it seemed to me that there are
arguments for and against using lime mortar. No serious person involved in the maintenance of historic buildings will accept anything other than lime mortar. Christian. |
Mike Tomlinson wrote:
In article , ben writes [snipped a load of garbage] Another day, another tosser plonked. Lets just see. Whatever floats your boat Grandad. lol |
OK, SO I raked all the sand/cement mortar out today and have purchased
some lime mortar. I shall start pointing tomorrow 8-) Martin In article , Chris Bacon writes Martin Carroll wrote: I had a good look around on the net and it seemed to me that there are arguments for and against using lime mortar. In the end I have gone for a 6-1 mix sand to cement with a plasticiser. I suspect that this choice is now going to produce a rather long thread 'kinell!! Have you used much of this stuff? Even after a "good look around on the 'net"???? Rake it out. What is plasticiser, I ask you? What is it *for*? What are its effects? Why not compromise and use the ever-popular 1:1:6, which is about 50 times better. That's just a word to you, I don't think you'll get a jumbo thread, it's all been done before. Are you raking out the joints with a nice big angle grinder, too, to the depth of at least 1 1/4"?? -- Martin Carroll |
In article ,
Martin Carroll writes: OK, SO I raked all the sand/cement mortar out today and have purchased some lime mortar. I shall start pointing tomorrow 8-) I've never seen "lime mortar" for sale. Depending on what you bought, it might take some weeks to get the lime ready for use. -- Andrew Gabriel |
Lime Putty Mortar, bought in a 25Kg tub, ready to use.
Martin In article , Andrew Gabriel writes In article , Martin Carroll writes: OK, SO I raked all the sand/cement mortar out today and have purchased some lime mortar. I shall start pointing tomorrow 8-) I've never seen "lime mortar" for sale. Depending on what you bought, it might take some weeks to get the lime ready for use. -- Martin Carroll |
Quotes rationalised:
Martin Carroll wrote: Andrew Gabriel wrote: Martin Carroll wrote: OK, SO I raked all the sand/cement mortar out today and have purchased some lime mortar. I shall start pointing tomorrow 8-) I've never seen "lime mortar" for sale. Depending on what you bought, it might take some weeks to get the lime ready for use. Lime Putty Mortar, bought in a 25Kg tub, ready to use. Wow, how reactionary - I'd probably have gone 1:1:6, but then I might get it in the ear from A. Kettle. Do you have to mix the lime putty with sand, and protect it while it cures? |
In article , Martin Carroll
wrote: OK, SO I raked all the sand/cement mortar out today and have purchased some lime mortar. I shall start pointing tomorrow 8-) Only once you have read this: http://www.allmyfaqs.com/faq.pl?How_to_post -- AJL |
In article , Chris Bacon
writes Quotes rationalised: Martin Carroll wrote: Andrew Gabriel wrote: Martin Carroll wrote: OK, SO I raked all the sand/cement mortar out today and have purchased some lime mortar. I shall start pointing tomorrow 8-) I've never seen "lime mortar" for sale. Depending on what you bought, it might take some weeks to get the lime ready for use. Lime Putty Mortar, bought in a 25Kg tub, ready to use. Wow, how reactionary - I'd probably have gone 1:1:6, but then I might get it in the ear from A. Kettle. Do you have to mix the lime putty with sand, and protect it while it cures? No it is pre-mixed. -- Martin Carroll |
On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:33:54 +0100, Martin Carroll
wrote: | In article , Chris Bacon | writes | Quotes rationalised: | | Martin Carroll wrote: | Andrew Gabriel wrote: | Martin Carroll wrote: | OK, SO I raked all the sand/cement mortar out today and | have purchased some lime mortar. I shall start pointing | tomorrow 8-) | I've never seen "lime mortar" for sale. | Depending on what you bought, it might take some weeks to get | the lime ready for use. | | Lime Putty Mortar, bought in a 25Kg tub, ready to use. | | Wow, how reactionary - I'd probably have gone 1:1:6, but then | I might get it in the ear from A. Kettle. Do you have to mix | the lime putty with sand, and protect it while it cures? | | No it is pre-mixed. Do not produce your own slaked lime for lime mortar yourself, without **great** research and care. Adding water to quick lime produces a lot of heat, which can be spectacular and dangerous. -- Dave Fawthrop dave hyphenologist co uk "Intelligent Design?" my knees say *not*. "Intelligent Design?" my back says *not*. |
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