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Chasing computer wiring (Cat-5) into plaster over brick wall
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Chasing the wall out is the easy bit (SDS gouge !) but do I put into thin conduit (there's about 6 wired to get in) and plaster over, how do I keep in place whilst I plaster ? Any help appeeciated. Thanks Paul. |
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On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 20:05:41 GMT, Simon Avery wrote:
Up to you. The plaster won't hurt it, and it's not mains nor gas nor water, so it won't hurt anyone if you drill into it. True but thing of the agro trying to repair it... Steel capping is cheap and easy to fit. Though to be honest for LV stuff like this I'd be looking at a larger duct, say 3" square in a hidden corner somewhere even if it extends cable runs considerably. 'Cause as sure as eggs is eggs something will need to be changed or added in the next 10 years. -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
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"Dave Liquorice" wrote
Simon Avery wrote: Up to you. The plaster won't hurt it, and it's not mains nor gas nor water, so it won't hurt anyone if you drill into it. True but thing of the agro trying to repair it... Steel capping is cheap and easy to fit. Though to be honest for LV stuff like this I'd be looking at a larger duct, say 3" square in a hidden corner somewhere even if it extends cable runs considerably. 'Cause as sure as eggs is eggs something will need to be changed or added in the next 10 years. Great, thanks for the advice, however after gouging a sample out. the plaster is only 10mm thick, so there'll be very little covering it when I plaster over. Is there any mileage in going through the first course and threading the wires down the cavity ? I don't think theres much chance in going down through the plaster, as theres no space for conduit, so i'd have to plaster over the 'bare' wires. I may just go wireless !! Cheers Paul. |
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Zymurgy wrote: Great, thanks for the advice, however after gouging a sample out. the plaster is only 10mm thick, so there'll be very little covering it when I plaster over. Tack it in place with cable clips and simply plaster over the lot. -- *You can't have everything, where would you put it? Dave Plowman London SW 12 RIP Acorn |
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On 17 Aug 2003 02:16:40 -0700, Zymurgy wrote:
... after gouging a sample out. the plaster is only 10mm thick, so there'll be very little covering it when I plaster over. Steel capping is not that thick you should have a couple of mm over the top, ample. Anyway you have an SDS cutting a shallow grove in the wall under the plaster shouldn't be a problem. What is the wall made of? Probably block, very soft and easy to cut. Is there any mileage in going through the first course and threading the wires down the cavity ? Generally wires should not be in the cavity. It's quite easy for them to form a damp bridge or feed any vermin that get in. Anyway shouldn't that cavity be filled with insulation. Threading stuff through the insulation could vary from fun to impossible. I may just go wireless !! I wouldn't, cable is cheap, fast, secure and reliable. You can also feed other signals down Cat5, like telephones, audio, video etc. -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
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"Dave Liquorice" wrote:
Hello Dave Up to you. The plaster won't hurt it, and it's not mains nor gas nor water, so it won't hurt anyone if you drill into it. DL| True but thing of the agro trying to repair it... But chance of it happening is pretty small, especially if you're still living there and wired properly. (No bends, verticals to visible point etc) DL| Steel capping is cheap and easy to fit. Though to be honest DL| for LV stuff like this I'd be looking at a larger duct, say DL| 3" square in a hidden corner somewhere even if it extends DL| cable runs considerably. 'Cause as sure as eggs is eggs DL| something will need to be changed or added in the next 10 DL| years. F'sure, but I expect it to still be using copper (fibre being a maybe for commercial properties) so just swapping the connectors and leaving the wiring in situ should be ok for most upgrades. Hell, I'm still using Coax for my LAN here. It works! -- Simon Avery, Dartmoor, UK uk.d-i-y FAQ: http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/ |
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"Zymurgy" wrote in message om... snip I may just go wireless !! Cheers Paul. Give this serious consideration. Unless you have a really bandwidth-intensive application between two PCs which are in different rooms you don't need cable. If you have this type of application try to site the two PCs close together and use cable :-) Wiring the house can be a bugger and you still have to have a socket at the other end then run a cable to your PC - and as soon as you re-arrange the furniture the socket is in the wrong place. With power you usually have several outlets in each room - are you going to do the same with CAT5? Wireless is a good answer as long as you don't have a wierd house construction (loads of metal in walls etc.) and you aren't in a very high risk area for network hacking (wherever that is). WEP is flawed but takes a while to crack. Changing your keys regularly (only takes a few minutes) helps. MAC address filtering also helps. The range is limited - street outside your house and the house next door if you are lucky - more people complain about lack of range than of too much range. The setup is simple and you can put your PCs where you want (within reason) and move them around to suit. My setup is totally wireless at the moment until I get the office back together and the wired LAN back in place. It doesn't seem to cause any problems. More important is to use a router between yourself and the Internet :-) Cheers Dave R |
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 13:41:49 GMT, Simon Avery wrote:
F'sure, but I expect it to still be using copper (fibre being a maybe for commercial properties) so just swapping the connectors and leaving the wiring in situ should be ok for most upgrades. Assuming that the format of the copper is correct. Mind you you can't go far wrong with the good old twisted pair, almost anything can be made to travel over that, audio, video, data, POTS, ISDN etc etc Hell, I'm still using Coax for my LAN here. It works! At 10Mbps? 100Mbps is "standard" now, it does make a noticeable difference. I expect Gigabit stuff will be "standard" inside 5 years. How far Gigabit, that expects Cat6 cable, will go on a bit of old Cat5 (not Cat5e) might be interesting but I'd expect it to work over "domestic" lengths of at most afew tens of metres. -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
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"David W.E. Roberts" wrote in message
... Give this serious consideration. Unless you have a really bandwidth-intensive application between two PCs which are in different rooms you don't need cable. My setup is totally wireless at the moment until I get the office back together and the wired LAN back in place. Cheers Dave R Dave, I'm looking into this at the moment (currently got a hard-wired set-up in one room) and am moving to another property, which currently has 2 cable connections (1 in livingroom and one in diningroom/sittingroom). I want to have my PC's upstairs but use the connection in the diningroom. Ideally I'd like to plug the cable modem into the transmitter and have only that downstairs (with the PC we use as a router on the other end of it), but could also go with having the router PC downstairs in the dining room plugged into the cable modem and then into the wi-fi. What wireless network are you using, can you advise on how much it might cost for connections for 3 PC's? Should this be useable upstairs? Cheers! |
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"L Reid" wrote in message ... "David W.E. Roberts" wrote in message ... Give this serious consideration. Unless you have a really bandwidth-intensive application between two PCs which are in different rooms you don't need cable. My setup is totally wireless at the moment until I get the office back together and the wired LAN back in place. Cheers Dave R Dave, I'm looking into this at the moment (currently got a hard-wired set-up in one room) and am moving to another property, which currently has 2 cable connections (1 in livingroom and one in diningroom/sittingroom). I want to have my PC's upstairs but use the connection in the diningroom. Ideally I'd like to plug the cable modem into the transmitter and have only that downstairs (with the PC we use as a router on the other end of it), but could also go with having the router PC downstairs in the dining room plugged into the cable modem and then into the wi-fi. What wireless network are you using, can you advise on how much it might cost for connections for 3 PC's? Should this be useable upstairs? Cheers! If you have a cable modem (with an Ethernet interface) then you need a cable router/WiFi AP. I have just bought http://www.dabs.com/products/prod-in...quicklinx=2N95 for £52.87 and it works fine for me (not on cable, but as an alternative to an AP on my ADSL LAN - long story). I also bought a pair of USB adapters http://www.dabs.com/products/prod-in...quicklinx=178Z although I paid £50 for a pair :-( Price has just gone down again. I favour USB adapters because you can position them to get the best signal. So roughly £50 for the AP/router, (3* £25) = £75 for 3 adapters gives you £125 for a 3 PC setup. Should be O.K. with the AP downstairs and the PCs upstairs but YMMV - each house is different. Note that this is a budget router so it doesn't have a serial port for low level configuration and AFAIK doesn't have a CLI via Telnet either. This means that if you can't do what you want via the web interface you are snookered. Having said that, if your needs are straightforward this seems a great little router. For the price you get: all the router basics including NAT, DHCP, DNS. wireless LAN with 128 bit WEP and MAC address filtering wired LAN with 4 port 100Mb hub. Other places to go: alt.internet.wireless NG which is always helpful. HTH Dave R |
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"Dave Liquorice" wrote
Simon Avery wrote: Up to you. The plaster won't hurt it, and it's not mains nor gas nor water, so it won't hurt anyone if you drill into it. Though to be honest for LV stuff like this I'd be looking at a larger duct, say 3" square in a hidden corner somewhere even if it extends cable runs considerably. Indeed. After an exploratory vertical chase, I pulled off the skirting and chased horizontally to the corner. Then I went out and bought a reel of Cat-5e. I'll put a vertical conduit in the corner where no-one will notice. Thanks for the lateral thinking ! Cheers, Paul. |
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"Dave Liquorice" wrote:
Hello Dave F'sure, but I expect it to still be using copper (fibre being a maybe for commercial properties) so just swapping the connectors and leaving the wiring in situ should be ok for most upgrades. DL| Assuming that the format of the copper is correct. Mind you DL| you can't go far wrong with the good old twisted pair, DL| almost anything can be made to travel over that, audio, DL| video, data, POTS, ISDN etc etc Indeed, and with wireless everything now so cheap, it's getting harder to justify wiring, imo. Just need a rx/tx widget in each room and everything in it talks to that. Are computerised houses coming more popular? Don't hear much of them. Hell, I'm still using Coax for my LAN here. It works! DL| At 10Mbps? 100Mbps is "standard" now, it does make a DL| noticeable difference. I expect Gigabit stuff will be Ack, but 10 "works" fast enough for my purposes. -- Simon Avery, Dartmoor, UK uk.d-i-y FAQ: http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/ |
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:57:50 GMT, Simon Avery wrote:
Indeed, and with wireless everything now so cheap, it's getting harder to justify wiring, imo. Just need a rx/tx widget in each room and everything in it talks to that. I don't know of a single wireless tx/rx widget that will do video, audio, LAN, POTS and ISDN. Several wireless widgets yes but some share the same frequency band (2.4Ghz) and that is getting really rather crowded and speed/reliabilty are real issues. Are computerised houses coming more popular? Don't hear much of them. Define computerised? Nearly all larger domestic white goods have a microcontroller inside now, dsihwashers, washing machines, uWaves, heating controllers etc. They don't talk to each other yet though, with the advent of things like Bluetooth I wonder how long it will be before they do but is there and real need? Ack, but 10 "works" fast enough for my purposes. 300bps modems where fast enough at one time, thats how I started this computer comms lark back in the late '80s. I now have a 100Mbps net connection... (Well thats the speed into the WAN NIC, there is an RF bottle neck which reduces the throughput to around 1Mbps in practice). -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
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Simon Avery wrote: Indeed, and with wireless everything now so cheap, it's getting harder to justify wiring, imo. Just need a rx/tx widget in each room and everything in it talks to that. No it's not - a wired link will always be better. -- *How come you never hear about gruntled employees? * Dave Plowman London SW 12 RIP Acorn |
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"Dave Plowman" wrote in message ... In article , Simon Avery wrote: Indeed, and with wireless everything now so cheap, it's getting harder to justify wiring, imo. Just need a rx/tx widget in each room and everything in it talks to that. No it's not - a wired link will always be better. -- *How come you never hear about gruntled employees? * Dave Plowman London SW 12 RIP Acorn Always be better? Even if your requirements are to connect from across a busy street? Or to connect from the bottom of the garden? Wireless is perfectly acceptable for most domestic users this year - there will be a minority with more complex needs but "always better"? Sir, methinks you are a Troll! Dave R |
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Dave Plowman wrote:
Hello Dave Indeed, and with wireless everything now so cheap, it's getting harder to justify wiring, imo. Just need a rx/tx widget in each room and everything in it talks to that. DP| No it's not - a wired link will always be better. I said "imo", and it is. yo is obviously different, neither is set in stone. We're theorising what might happen in ten years' time - it's better to be a bit vague I think, rather than state what's true now and ignore any chance for it to change. Tell you what, ask me again in ten years and I might agree with you. -- Simon Avery, Dartmoor, UK uk.d-i-y FAQ: http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/ |
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Simon Avery wrote:
Hey, I live in the country - the government's drive for broadband seems to have petered out once the cherry picking of built up areas has nearly been exhausted. My local exchange has just reached the trigger level, but I'm too far away from it for adsl, or even aadsl to work so until wireless broadband finds its way down here, my only option is isdn. Can't blame the telco's, can't really blame the government, I just wish they'd stop making promises they can't deliver. AG| Personally, I will stick with wired LAN links for the AG| foreseable future, but I doubt most people will. Maybe it's better - I don't know. If wireless is reliable, fast, cheap and convenient in 10 years, can't really see a need for wired, but I could be wrong. http://wrbb.net/ They're having problems getting the gear approved at the moment but the idea looks sound enough, it might be a while before the network spreads around the country but look at how mobile phones started. There's a bit of interest at the moment in pubs becoming WiFi mini-ISPs, there's a lot of kit out there at the moment that can be linked by it and it makes sense instead of wiring everything together:- jukebox, quiz machine, internet terminal, email facility, advertising screens etc. -- James... http://www.jameshart.co.uk/ |
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:19:36 +0100, "James Hart"
wrote: Simon Avery wrote: Hey, I live in the country - the government's drive for broadband seems to have petered out once the cherry picking of built up areas has nearly been exhausted. My local exchange has just reached the trigger level, but I'm too far away from it for adsl, or even aadsl to work so until wireless broadband finds its way down here, my only option is isdn. Can't blame the telco's, can't really blame the government, I just wish they'd stop making promises they can't deliver. AG| Personally, I will stick with wired LAN links for the AG| foreseable future, but I doubt most people will. Maybe it's better - I don't know. If wireless is reliable, fast, cheap and convenient in 10 years, can't really see a need for wired, but I could be wrong. http://wrbb.net/ They're having problems getting the gear approved at the moment but the idea looks sound enough, it might be a while before the network spreads around the country but look at how mobile phones started. Interesting idea and I hope that they are successful. There's a bit of interest at the moment in pubs becoming WiFi mini-ISPs, there's a lot of kit out there at the moment that can be linked by it and it makes sense instead of wiring everything together:- jukebox, quiz machine, internet terminal, email facility, advertising screens etc. This is like the Starbucks idea in the U.S. The only thing was that they found that people hung around for too long without drinking enough latte. I quite often use the Telia Homerun service on business trips in Scandinavia. They have hotspots in places like the airports, major hotels and certain parts of major cities. You can have an ongoing subscription, but you can also buy 24hr scratch cards for about £10 which have a password. It's then possible to have access in any hot spot location during that time without paying again. Compared with being gouged by hotels for phone charges for modem access, it's a good deal. A lot of hotels in Germany are implementing similar systems and there are a few starting to appear here as well. ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:25:48 +0100, Andy Hall wrote:
Is a community wireless solution an option for your area or are you too spread out? It's worth looking at but to do well needs a fair bit of capital, for the net connection, local servers acces points and any backbone links required to cover outlying areas. This capital can probably be found from the relevant Area Development Agency, Rural EDZ, County Council, education and other funding bodies. Getting and making the thing sustainable is the hard bit. Says him from the Broadband Capital of England, Alston Moor, about as remote as you can get in England. Penetration of wireless broadband to homes is about 25%, the national average (where broadband is avialable) is around 4%. Read too much sci-fi to want a full sentient house, though - imagine what it would try to do when you started drilling holes in its skin? You wouldn't have to, you'd just need to talk to it nicely and it would produce a suitable means if hanging the picture for you. -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 21:59:32 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote: On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:25:48 +0100, Andy Hall wrote: Is a community wireless solution an option for your area or are you too spread out? It's worth looking at but to do well needs a fair bit of capital, for the net connection, local servers acces points and any backbone links required to cover outlying areas. This capital can probably be found from the relevant Area Development Agency, Rural EDZ, County Council, education and other funding bodies. Getting and making the thing sustainable is the hard bit. Says him from the Broadband Capital of England, Alston Moor, about as remote as you can get in England. Penetration of wireless broadband to homes is about 25%, the national average (where broadband is avialable) is around 4%. Have you done that on point to point links? I'm always amazed by what the Nowegians manage with wireless technology in difficult situations like this. It costs, but it can be done. Part of the problem in the UK is that BT grossly overmarketed "broadband" in terms of high capability and low price and then realised that they couldn't deliver. As a result, people have come to expect service at a price below what is required to pay for the infrastructure and sustain a business. ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
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"James Hart" wrote:
Hello James JH| http://wrbb.net/ One of many I've checked out, but sadly none are anywhere near me. (10M S of Exeter) JH| They're having problems getting the gear approved at the JH| moment but the idea looks sound enough, it might be a while JH| before the network spreads around the country but look at JH| how mobile phones started. There's a bit of interest at the JH| moment in pubs becoming WiFi mini-ISPs, there's a lot of kit JH| out there at the moment that can be linked by it and JH| it makes sense instead of wiring everything together:- JH| jukebox, quiz machine, internet terminal, email facility, JH| advertising screens etc. Yeah, that's not a bad idea at all. TBH I'm not fussed how I get a better connection, as long as it's fat and has low latency. -- Simon Avery, Dartmoor, UK uk.d-i-y FAQ: http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/ |
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Andy Hall wrote:
Hello Andy Hey, I live in the country - the government's drive for broadband seems to have petered out once the cherry picking of built up areas has nearly been exhausted. My local AH| Is a community wireless solution an option for your area or AH| are you too spread out? It's possible, I am only a mile or so away from a village, although local geography means it isn't line-of-sight. Not sure how fussy that bit is, or whether I could get away with running some coax half a mile to the top of the hill without anyone noticing. I am LOS to a pretty major aerial system (Haldon, S of Exeter) though, which handles much of the microwave traffic in the area. Be nice if I could get something from there, but they probably wouldn't appreciate me climbing it at night with a pringles can and silver foil. devices, doing many of the automated chores etc. Read too much sci-fi to want a full sentient house, though - imagine what it would try to do when you started drilling holes in its skin? AH| Do you remember the Star Trek episode where they found AH| silicon based beings and the doctor treated an injured one AH| by filling it with Polyfilla? ! Nope, that one must've missed me by! -- Simon Avery, Dartmoor, UK uk.d-i-y FAQ: http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/ |
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:33:02 +0100, Andy Hall wrote:
Says him from the Broadband Capital of England, Alston Moor, about as remote as you can get in England. Penetration of wireless broadband to homes is about 25%, the national average (where broadband is avialable) is around 4%. Have you done that on point to point links? Not quite sure what you mean. There is a backbone structure, ie. PtP links, connecting a number of access points. The access points would be PtMP in this context. The length of the PtP links varies from less than 500m to over 16km, some of the PtMP links are well over 2km. I'm always amazed by what the Nowegians manage with wireless technology in difficult situations like this. It costs, but it can be done. Off the shelf kit though nothing "special", choose your (external) antenna to make up the loss on the link due to distance. Some are little flat patches, others are 24" dishes. Does need to be line of sight. -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 23:46:35 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote: On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:33:02 +0100, Andy Hall wrote: Says him from the Broadband Capital of England, Alston Moor, about as remote as you can get in England. Penetration of wireless broadband to homes is about 25%, the national average (where broadband is avialable) is around 4%. Have you done that on point to point links? Not quite sure what you mean. There is a backbone structure, ie. PtP links, connecting a number of access points. The access points would be PtMP in this context. The length of the PtP links varies from less than 500m to over 16km, some of the PtMP links are well over 2km. That's what I was getting at. I'm always amazed by what the Nowegians manage with wireless technology in difficult situations like this. It costs, but it can be done. Off the shelf kit though nothing "special", choose your (external) antenna to make up the loss on the link due to distance. Some are little flat patches, others are 24" dishes. Does need to be line of sight. ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
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"Dave Plowman" wrote in message ... In article , David W.E. Roberts wrote: Always be better? Even if your requirements are to connect from across a busy street? Err, how many people have houses that span a street? Or to connect from the bottom of the garden? Are you just inventing reasons? Wireless is perfectly acceptable for most domestic users this year - there will be a minority with more complex needs but "always better"? I've not yet come across a wireless link that is as good as a cable. It might well be for some of the time, though. Sir, methinks you are a Troll! Not. I really can't see the point in complicating matters. I am not inventing reasons :-) (1) I have my (IT illiterate) next door neighbour on my WLAN so I can maintain his system for him and download Windows and virus updates without spending hours tying up his phone line. (2) I am considering adding the folks across the road for similar reasons. (3) I like to be able to take the portable into the garden now and then to work. (4) At the moment I have no power (or anything else, really) in the new office/bedroom and I am temporarily running my LAN from the loft, where I have my ADSL line, ADSL modem/router. and WiFi AP all sitting up there powered by an extension lead. I have three PCs running in house of the WLAN and switching from wired to wireless took minutes. (5) I have no desire to wire the whole house (with consequent mess and disruption) to provide access for occasional PCs (such as returning offspring). For Internet surfing and email, wireless fits the bill admirably. So there are 5 seperate instances where wirelss is superior to wired because I don't need high bandwidth and I don't have to run wires. For any heavy/complex/high bandwidth activities wired is the way to go. However it is extremely blinkered, even illogical, to state that something is "always better"; this implies that there is no situation whatsoever where a wireless link is better than a wired link. So patently illogical that it had all the hallmarks of a Troll :-) Cheers Dave R P.S. (6) I also like to surf with my PDA when in bed or in other locations without a wired link :-) Perhaps I should start an "I love WiFi" thread ? |
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David W.E. Roberts wrote: Not. I really can't see the point in complicating matters. I am not inventing reasons :-) (1) I have my (IT illiterate) next door neighbour on my WLAN so I can maintain his system for him and download Windows and virus updates without spending hours tying up his phone line. (2) I am considering adding the folks across the road for similar reasons. (3) I like to be able to take the portable into the garden now and then to work. (4) At the moment I have no power (or anything else, really) in the new office/bedroom and I am temporarily running my LAN from the loft, where I have my ADSL line, ADSL modem/router. and WiFi AP all sitting up there powered by an extension lead. I have three PCs running in house of the WLAN and switching from wired to wireless took minutes. (5) I have no desire to wire the whole house (with consequent mess and disruption) to provide access for occasional PCs (such as returning offspring). For Internet surfing and email, wireless fits the bill admirably. So there are 5 seperate instances where wirelss is superior to wired because I don't need high bandwidth and I don't have to run wires. That doesn't make it superior - only more convenient. And I'd point out that my response was in connection with the average house - not the whole street. For any heavy/complex/high bandwidth activities wired is the way to go. However it is extremely blinkered, even illogical, to state that something is "always better"; this implies that there is no situation whatsoever where a wireless link is better than a wired link. So patently illogical that it had all the hallmarks of a Troll :-) I stand by what I said. Wireless links may be more convenient, but they are never better. -- *Could it be that "I do " is the longest sentence? * Dave Plowman London SW 12 RIP Acorn |
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On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 09:29:33 +0100, Dave Plowman
wrote: I stand by what I said. Wireless links may be more convenient, but they are never better. I think you need to give some reasons, not just assertions, g is cheap enough, and provides plenty of bandwidth (yes its shared between machines, but for domestic use it's very rarely saturated, and most people use hubs not switches so that's the same.) Jim. |
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Chasing computer wiring (Cat-5) into plaster over brick wall
Dave Plowman wrote:
Hello Dave For any heavy/complex/high bandwidth activities wired is the way to go. However it is extremely blinkered, even illogical, to state that something is "always better"; this implies that there is no situation whatsoever where a wireless link is better than a wired link. So patently illogical that it had all the hallmarks of a Troll :-) DP| I stand by what I said. Wireless links may be more DP| convenient, but they are never better. This is devolving into semantics, but "better" is not a particularly specific word. What's better for you clearly isn't better for David. "Convenient" can be included in a definition of "better", imo. -- Simon, who doesn't have any wifi stuff at all. |
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Chasing computer wiring (Cat-5) into plaster over brick wall
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 00:25:58 UTC, Dave Plowman
wrote: I've not yet come across a wireless link that is as good as a cable. It might well be for some of the time, though. I agree. However, PERHAPS a wireless link might be better down the garden, if only to save having to bury the cable in a trench... -- Bob Eager rde at tavi.co.uk PC Server 325*4; PS/2s 9585, 8595, 9595*2, 8580*3, P70, PC/AT.. |
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Chasing computer wiring (Cat-5) into plaster over brick wall
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Bob Eager wrote: I've not yet come across a wireless link that is as good as a cable. It might well be for some of the time, though. I agree. However, PERHAPS a wireless link might be better down the garden, if only to save having to bury the cable in a trench... I can see they have their uses, but since you'll be presumably cabling up other things in the house at the same time I can't see the point. -- *Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film * Dave Plowman London SW 12 RIP Acorn |
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Chasing computer wiring (Cat-5) into plaster over brick wall
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 22:31:25 UTC, Dave Plowman
wrote: I can see they have their uses, but since you'll be presumably cabling up other things in the house at the same time I can't see the point. Again, I agree. I cabled network, power, telephone, TV, burglar alarm, antenna rotator and smoke alarms all at the same time... -- Bob Eager rde at tavi.co.uk PC Server 325*4; PS/2s 9585, 8595, 9595*2, 8580*3, P70, PC/AT.. |
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Chasing computer wiring (Cat-5) into plaster over brick wall
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 23:31:25 +0100, Dave Plowman
wrote: In article , Bob Eager wrote: I've not yet come across a wireless link that is as good as a cable. It might well be for some of the time, though. I agree. However, PERHAPS a wireless link might be better down the garden, if only to save having to bury the cable in a trench... I can see they have their uses, but since you'll be presumably cabling up other things in the house at the same time I can't see the point. I have CAT5 all over the house and a lot of outlets. However, I also have a wireless installation because it is useful with portable devices like notebooks and PDAs so that they can be used in arbitrary places without needing to plug them in. ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
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Chasing computer wiring (Cat-5) into plaster over brick wall
Hello Dave
DP| I stand by what I said. Wireless links may be more DP| convenient, but they are never better. I was reminded of this thread today when my phone line went down. BT, after playing the "no answer, hold, hold, get disconnected, get lied to, get disconnected and then hold again for three hours" game with the teletubbies tell me it'll be at least four days before an engineer is sent to deal. This has happened six times over the past three years. Never had a single outage on my mobile in that time (apart from no signal in some valleys, which considering where I live is to be expected). Stretching the point perhaps, but at least the air never seems to break. This probably won't reach you until the 26th though... -- Simon Avery, Dartmoor, UK uk.d-i-y FAQ: http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/ |
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Chasing computer wiring (Cat-5) into plaster over brick wall
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Simon Avery wrote: DP| I stand by what I said. Wireless links may be more DP| convenient, but they are never better. I was reminded of this thread today when my phone line went down. BT, after playing the "no answer, hold, hold, get disconnected, get lied to, get disconnected and then hold again for three hours" game with the teletubbies tell me it'll be at least four days before an engineer is sent to deal. This has happened six times over the past three years. I'd assume if anyone installs their own cable LAN, they'll be capable of fixing any faults that may arise (unlikely) and not have to rely on an engineer. Never had a single outage on my mobile in that time (apart from no signal in some valleys, which considering where I live is to be expected). However, should a wireless network fail I'd guess it *would* be a job for an engineer - or more likely your credit card. -- *Ah, I see the f**k-up fairy has visited us again Dave Plowman London SW 12 RIP Acorn |
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