"raden" wrote in message
...
In message ws.net,
Doctor Drivel writes

I was wondering when a second combi would come into the discussion


It may be the best solution for him, as it is for many homes. Have
you
anything constructive to add?

Not really, no

Then no need to clutter the thread.

Ha ha

Maxie, it is nice to see that you are happy.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 22:33:54 +0100, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 20:07:09 +0100, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:

20 litres/min is irresponsible. People
want the high pressure against
the skin not volume.

Which people?

Normal people.

Ah... How would you know then?

I know that they are very different to abnormal people like yourself.

"Doctor Drivel" wrote:

Rinnai have a model........

FFS, do you have this text as a macro?


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"Doctor Drivel" wrote:

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 20:07:09 +0100, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:

20 litres/min is irresponsible. People want the high pressure against
the
skin not volume.

Which people?

Normal people.

But how would you know?

--

In message , Matt
writes
"Doctor Drivel" wrote:

Rinnai have a model........

FFS, do you have this text as a macro?

Like he'd have a clue ...

--
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"Matt" wrote in message
...
"Doctor Drivel" wrote:

Rinnai have a model........

snip drivel

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , Matt
writes
"Doctor Drivel" wrote:

Rinnai have a model........

FFS, do you have this text as a macro?

Like he'd have a clue ...

Maxie, about a macro? A macro is a set routine or text that can be inserted
into a program. I have done macros all over the place Maxie.

In message ws.net,
Doctor Drivel writes

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , Matt
writes
"Doctor Drivel" wrote:

Rinnai have a model........

FFS, do you have this text as a macro?

Like he'd have a clue ...

Maxie, about a macro? A macro is a set routine or text that can be inserted
into a program.

Yeah, you looked it up didn't you

I have done macros all over the place Maxie.

Well, I hope you took your poop scoop with you

--
geoff

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message ws.net,
Doctor Drivel writes

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , Matt
writes
"Doctor Drivel" wrote:

Rinnai have a model........

FFS, do you have this text as a macro?

Like he'd have a clue ...

Maxie, about a macro? A macro is a set routine or text that can be
inserted
into a program.

Yeah, you looked it up didn't you

I have done macros all over the place Maxie.

Well, I hope you took your poop scoop with you

Maxie, you are right, programs are poop.

well i'm convinced dr d.

have spoken with Rinnai and looks good to me.I shall go with Rinnai 24e
or maybe 32e (but probably overkill) and run bath and two showers off
it.Might even get rid of bath and rent spare space to another student (
private landlord humour)

key point is we have an outside area mid way between bath and new
shower area where we can get Rinnai on external wall and get good runs
to it.

Only last issue is that gas supply may need meter upsize due to amount
of gas consumption now required..We will have gas cooker (oven and
hob), gas hw/ch through 828 and also new rinnai to deal with.

anyway many thanks and stop all those others being horrid to you!!

"richman" wrote in message
oups.com...

well i'm convinced dr d.

have spoken with Rinnai and looks good
to me.I shall go with Rinnai 24e or maybe
32e (but probably overkill) and run bath
and two showers off it.Might even get rid
of bath and rent spare space to another
student (private landlord humour)

Rinnai only sell a few models in the UK. If you look at the Japanese, USA,
Auss, Singapore and NZ websites the range is much more extensive. Also
companies like Takagi sell in the USA, who so some superb condensing models
that can deliver around 38 litres/minute and are very efficient. We are way
behind in litres/minute delivery in the UK.

In countries where they are sold and supported, every MacDonalds has banks
of Rinnais, from two upwards. It is their policy to use them where possible,
as they are very reliable and don't take up space as large cylinders do. A
24 litre/minute Rinnai can deliver 1440 litres an hour. A 1,440 litres
cylinder is "big" and "expensive", and takes up valuable space. For
continuous flows, like a MacDonalds, instant water is by far the best way,
if the cold mains can cope of course. In the south of the USA you see
Rinnais on frames outside, behind the diners.

key point is we have an outside area
mid way between bath and new
shower area where we can get Rinnai
on external wall and get good runs
to it.

Only last issue is that gas supply may need
meter upsize due to amount of gas consumption
now required..We will have gas cooker (oven and
hob), gas hw/ch through 828 and also
new rinnai to deal with.

You only have three appliances: Rinnai, 828 and a cooker. Using the smaller
Rinnai, you may just scrape through using a smaller U6 domestic meter.
Needs checking. A condensing multi-point may has scraped through, but the
UK Rinnais are non-condensing. If you have to go to a U16 meter then I
would go for the larger Rinnai for peace of mind. You know it will
definitely cope, so no whinging students and only £100 more. Also if the
combi is down the Rinnai will still be working.

Let us know if and what Transco charge for the new meter. Your gas supplier
may foot the bill knowing they are getting the increased gas sales business.
Worth a try. Lets us know what you think of the performance. You will not
be disappointed.

anyway many thanks and stop all those
others being horrid to you!!

Do you think I give a hoot. The point is they don't know too much at all,
but think they know. Classic cases of a little knowledge is dangerous.

In article ws.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
Why a bath, when students only need a shower?

Says it all, really. Drivel answers a problem by saying those with the
problem should modify their behaviour so his 'one size fits all' thesis is
correct.

And yet claims to design such systems for a living.

He must be a very poor man.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ws.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
Why a bath, when students only need a shower?

Says it all, really.

Yep it does.

snip drivel

"richman" wrote in message
oups.com...
well i'm convinced dr d.

have spoken with Rinnai and looks good to me.I shall go with Rinnai 24e
or maybe 32e (but probably overkill) and run bath and two showers off
it.Might even get rid of bath and rent spare space to another student (
private landlord humour)

key point is we have an outside area mid way between bath and new
shower area where we can get Rinnai on external wall and get good runs
to it.

Only last issue is that gas supply may need meter upsize due to amount
of gas consumption now required..We will have gas cooker (oven and
hob), gas hw/ch through 828 and also new rinnai to deal with.

anyway many thanks and stop all those others being horrid to you!!

From this group in March...


7. Hamie Mar 25, 12:05 am show options

Newsgroups: uk.d-i-y
From: Hamie -
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 23:05:57 +0000
Local: Fri, Mar 25 2005 12:05 am
Subject: Hot Water Pressure

No Hot Baths wrote:
"Doctor Evil" wrote:

You know quite well there are high flow combis that fill baths very
quickly,
so why give misinformation tio this man?

Because "fill bath quickly" and combi boiler don't exist in the same
sentence nor in this world

Maybe not in this country...

Back in GodZone we had a Rinnai 24 infinity hot water supply. It would
supply something like 24l/minute of water at 55C (Apparently they got up to
36l/min). You could get it hotter, but that required adjustment of the unit.
The temp was also selectable (Via two units, one in the bathroom, one in the
kitchen)... A shower? Select 42C. Washing the dishes 55C.

The unit sat on the outside wall & was gas fired. Yes it filled the bath
quickly...

When we left Wellington 7 years ago it was becomming pretty standard for new
houses to have them instead of hot water storage. Considering when we move
here the shower had an electric unit that must have supplied

"Doctor Combi Boilers are ****e"

Make that the UK water supply is ****e too...

H

richman wrote:
well i'm convinced dr d.

have spoken with Rinnai and looks good to me.I shall go with Rinnai 24e
or maybe 32e (but probably overkill) and run bath and two showers off
it.Might even get rid of bath and rent spare space to another student (
private landlord humour)

key point is we have an outside area mid way between bath and new
shower area where we can get Rinnai on external wall and get good runs
to it.

Only last issue is that gas supply may need meter upsize due to amount
of gas consumption now required..We will have gas cooker (oven and
hob), gas hw/ch through 828 and also new rinnai to deal with.

Looks like Dr Evil/Dr Drivel/IMM has done it again. Real useful advice.
I am interested in one of these Rinnai multi point water heaters, being
one of my options. As I mentioned in another post I want to install
maybe two Triton Shower Tower body jet panels. The Rinnai seem to fit
the bill of running two simultaneously for lengthy showers. People will
not use a body jet shower for 5 minutes, so two will use a lot of water
maybe for 20 minutes or even longer. That means a very large expensive
thermal store or unvented cylinder taking up valuable internal space.
Maximising internal space makes me money. Fitting a Rinnai outside is
very appealing. Regarding exceeding the gas supply, Dr D mentioned in
a previous thread of installing a flow switch in the inlet to the
Rinnai to cut out the CH boiler via the room thermostat circuit. Only
one appliance is then on at a time and keeps gas consumption below the
meters limit. Quite clever. Sounds simple enough to do. In your case I
doubt it is not what you want as both the Rinnai and combi have to be
operating simultaneously.

I renovate houses for a living. If the system does not do what is
advertised after completion I can be sued. No slap it in and hope for
the best. It has to deliver. In house renovation I find heating and
water the most complex, as there is so many ways to solve a problem.
Advice can be highly conflicting, and most of it poor. In comparison
electrical systems are simple as there are so few options.

anyway many thanks and stop all those others being horrid to you!!

After a while you will find that those who are horrid to IMM are near
useless anyway and not worth the time of day. It is a shame as they
spoil what is otherwise a decent newsgroup. I would prefer this group
monitored to cut the undesirables.

In message .com,
writes

After a while you will find that those who are horrid to IMM are near
useless anyway and not worth the time of day. It is a shame as they
spoil what is otherwise a decent newsgroup. I would prefer this group
monitored to cut the undesirables.

Who cares what you would prefer, it's an open NG. If it wasn't I think
that it would be dIMM who would be the first to go

But then, how much do you actually contribute to the NG on a regular
basis ? very little


--
geoff

On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 17:52:07 +0100, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:

"richman" wrote in message
roups.com...

well i'm convinced dr d.

have spoken with Rinnai and looks good
to me.I shall go with Rinnai 24e or maybe
32e (but probably overkill) and run bath
and two showers off it.

It will be interesting to see what happens with this.

Has the water supply been checked as well?



Rinnai only sell a few models in the UK. If you look at the Japanese, USA,
Auss, Singapore and NZ websites the range is much more extensive. Also
companies like Takagi sell in the USA, who so some superb condensing models
that can deliver around 38 litres/minute and are very efficient. We are way
behind in litres/minute delivery in the UK.

In countries where they are sold and supported, every MacDonalds has banks
of Rinnais, from two upwards. It is their policy to use them where possible,
as they are very reliable and don't take up space as large cylinders do. A
24 litre/minute Rinnai can deliver 1440 litres an hour. A 1,440 litres
cylinder is "big" and "expensive", and takes up valuable space. For
continuous flows, like a MacDonalds, instant water is by far the best way,
if the cold mains can cope of course. In the south of the USA you see
Rinnais on frames outside, behind the diners.


So really appropriate for a UK domestic installation, then.



Only last issue is that gas supply may need
meter upsize due to amount of gas consumption
now required..We will have gas cooker (oven and
hob), gas hw/ch through 828 and also
new rinnai to deal with.

You only have three appliances: Rinnai, 828 and a cooker. Using the smaller
Rinnai, you may just scrape through using a smaller U6 domestic meter.
Needs checking.

It certainly does. A standard meter is limited to the gas required
to deliver 60kW *input*


--

..andy

To email, substitute .nospam with .gl

wrote:

Looks like Dr Evil/Dr Drivel/IMM has done it again.

Looks like Dr Evil/Dr Drivel/IMM/timegoesby has done it again.

Drivel, just as your council flat can be spotted by the water leaking
through the walls and the boiler mounted outside, we can spot your
posts a mile off

The future's bright, the future's copper, get a copper tank today and
keep the Doctor away.


--

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 17:52:07 +0100, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:

"richman" wrote in message
roups.com...

well i'm convinced dr d.

have spoken with Rinnai and looks good
to me.I shall go with Rinnai 24e or maybe
32e (but probably overkill) and run bath
and two showers off it.

It will be interesting to see what happens with this.

Has the water supply been checked as well?



Rinnai only sell a few models in the UK. If you look at the Japanese,
USA,
Auss, Singapore and NZ websites the range is much more extensive. Also
companies like Takagi sell in the USA, who so some superb condensing
models
that can deliver around 38 litres/minute and are very efficient. We are
way
behind in litres/minute delivery in the UK.

In countries where they are sold and supported, every MacDonalds has
banks
of Rinnais, from two upwards. It is their policy to use them where
possible,
as they are very reliable and don't take up space as large cylinders do.
A
24 litre/minute Rinnai can deliver 1440 litres an hour. A 1,440 litres
cylinder is "big" and "expensive", and takes up valuable space. For
continuous flows, like a MacDonalds, instant water is by far the best
way,
if the cold mains can cope of course. In the south of the USA you see
Rinnais on frames outside, behind the diners.


So really appropriate for a UK domestic installation, then.

Yep. The outside units have anti-frost protection.

Only last issue is that gas supply may need
meter upsize due to amount of gas consumption
now required..We will have gas cooker (oven and
hob), gas hw/ch through 828 and also
new rinnai to deal with.

You only have three appliances: Rinnai, 828 and a cooker. Using the
smaller
Rinnai, you may just scrape through using a smaller U6 domestic meter.
Needs checking.

It certainly does. A standard meter is limited to the gas required
to deliver 60kW *input*

6 cu meters or 212 cu foot. It will go over without any adverse effects.

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message .com,
writes

After a while you will find that those who are horrid to IMM are near
useless anyway and not worth the time of day. It is a shame as they
spoil what is otherwise a decent newsgroup. I would prefer this group
monitored to cut the undesirables.

Who cares what you would prefer, it's an open NG. If it wasn't I think
that it would be dIMM who would be the first to go

Maxie, is Dim Lin, the Oriental enchantress, that bad she should go?

"Matt" wrote in message
...
wrote:

Looks like Dr Evil/Dr Drivel/IMM has done it again.

Looks like Dr Evil/Dr Drivel/IMM/timegoesby has done it again.

Drivel, just as your council flat

I wish I had a council flat as they get all sorts paid for them. Ask
Richard Cranium.

can be spotted by the water leaking
through the walls and the boiler
mounted outside, we can spot your
posts a mile off

What confusion. He mixes council flats, boilers, water leaking and my posts
all in one sentence.

The future's bright, the future's
copper, get a copper tank today and
keep the Doctor away.

Our two professional housing men here think differently.

******Do not spam outdated products here. ********
******Spamming is against your ISP contract. *******

In article s.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
Nonsense. The recommended is 7 to 7.5 litres. 9 to 10 is more than
adequate. It is the strong pressure on the skin that people want, not
masses of needless wasteful flow. That is the worst case example, while
right now at about 18C mains water temp it will deliver far more.

and not a great deal more than an electric
shower.

Tripe. Electric are **** poor; 9 l/min is about the best you will get
and they cost.

So 9 litres per minute is 'more than adequate' from a combi but '****
poor' from the best electric?

Do you understand anything you write?

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Dave Plowman London SW
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article s.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
Nonsense. The recommended is 7 to 7.5 litres. 9 to 10 is more than
adequate. It is the strong pressure on the skin that people want, not
masses of needless wasteful flow. That is the worst case example, while
right now at about 18C mains water temp it will deliver far more.

and not a great deal more than an electric
shower.

Tripe. Electric are **** poor; 9 l/min is about the best you will get
and they cost.

So 9 litres per minute is 'more than adequate' from a combi

No that is poor and the bottom of the range. Please go out and buy one. You
deserve such performance.

In article ws.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article s.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
Nonsense. The recommended is 7 to 7.5 litres. 9 to 10 is more than
adequate. It is the strong pressure on the skin that people want,
not masses of needless wasteful flow. That is the worst case
example, while right now at about 18C mains water temp it will
deliver far more.

and not a great deal more than an electric shower.

Tripe. Electric are **** poor; 9 l/min is about the best you will
get and they cost.

So 9 litres per minute is 'more than adequate' from a combi

No that is poor and the bottom of the range.

So your standard of comparing the best from one and the worst from the
other as the 'norm'?

Please go out and buy one.

A 7-9 litre per minute shower?

Now you, being unemployable, might well have all day to get yourself
clean. That's if you ever do. Most busy want to be blasted clean in a few
minutes in a shower before work - or relax in a large bath afterwards.
Neither of which concepts you seem to understand.

You deserve such performance.

Luckily, I specified and got the performance I wanted from both my shower
and bath. So don't have to take any of your drivel advice. Others would be
wise to do the same.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ws.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article s.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
Nonsense. The recommended is 7 to 7.5 litres. 9 to 10 is more than
adequate. It is the strong pressure on the skin that people want,
not masses of needless wasteful flow. That is the worst case
example, while right now at about 18C mains water temp it will
deliver far more.

and not a great deal more than an electric shower.

Tripe. Electric are **** poor; 9 l/min is about the best you will
get and they cost.

So 9 litres per minute is 'more than adequate' from a combi

No that is poor and the bottom of the range.

So your standard of comparing the best from one and the worst from the
other as the 'norm'?

Please go out and buy one.

A 7-9 litre per minute shower?

You need to buy one. The cheapest and nastiest you can get.

snip senile drivel