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David Clay July 19th 05 11:35 PM

Extending over a well
 
Hi
Does anyone know where I stand it extending and building over a well / water
store that is within 8 feet of my house.
The well is about 10 foot deep and 4 feet in diameter, can I build over it
after capping or do I need to fill it in?

Any info most welcome.

David



Andrew Gabriel July 19th 05 11:42 PM

In article ,
"David Clay" writes:
Hi
Does anyone know where I stand it extending and building over a well / water
store that is within 8 feet of my house.
The well is about 10 foot deep and 4 feet in diameter, can I build over it
after capping or do I need to fill it in?


A pub I used to visit put a glass floor over a well they found
under the floor and spotlights down it. Still felt unconfortable
standing on the glass though, and it was a lot deeper than 10 feet.

--
Andrew Gabriel

r.p.mcmurphy July 20th 05 08:21 AM


"David Clay" wrote in message
...
Hi
Does anyone know where I stand it extending and building over a well /
water store that is within 8 feet of my house.
The well is about 10 foot deep and 4 feet in diameter, can I build over it
after capping or do I need to fill it in?

Any info most welcome.

David


how did they dig those wells that deep anyway?

steve



Aidan July 20th 05 08:42 AM



r.p.mcmurphy wrote:
how did they dig those wells that deep anyway?



http://www.kurg.org.uk/kurg/15_wells.htm


Tim Lamb July 20th 05 08:54 AM

In message , David Clay
writes
Hi
Does anyone know where I stand it extending and building over a well / water
store that is within 8 feet of my house.
The well is about 10 foot deep and 4 feet in diameter, can I build over it
after capping or do I need to fill it in?

Any info most welcome.


Don't know about building problems but for interest....

We lived in a house built in 1907 which had a *soft water well*
constructed close (about 6') to the kitchen wall. All the rain water was
collected and routed into the chamber with overflow pipes to soaks in
the garden. There had been a *tank room* on the second floor which a
previous owner had converted to a tiny bathroom.

The structure was built in brick with an arched roof to carry the patio.

If yours is similar, checking your rainwater disposal system might be
wise:-) Otherwise, I don't see why you can't use a suitably sized
concrete lintel to carry the new imposed load. Watch out for the
overflow pipes.

regards

--
Tim Lamb

Adrian Brentnall July 20th 05 08:54 AM

Hi all

On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:21:50 +0100, "r.p.mcmurphy"
wrote:


"David Clay" wrote in message
...
Hi
Does anyone know where I stand it extending and building over a well /
water store that is within 8 feet of my house.
The well is about 10 foot deep and 4 feet in diameter, can I build over it
after capping or do I need to fill it in?

Any info most welcome.


Check with your local Council building control people - it's one of
the things that they got very excited about when we were doing
building work here.....

....the workshop would have got very complicated and had enormous
foundation until the BCO kindly suggested a 'work-around' - which was
much easier...


David


how did they dig those wells that deep anyway?


The technique round here (sandy Suffolk) seems to be to use concrete
interlocking 'sewer'-pipe - big rings maybe 4 ft diameter and a couple
of feet deep.

Sit one flat on the surface of the ground, then dig away the earth
from inside the ring and underneath the lower edge.

The ring then drops into the hole that you just dug. When the top edge
of the ring is just above ground level, place another ring on top of
it, and repeat the digging.

When you hit water, dig a bit further and then stop.

Our well is about 25ft deep, and produces all the water you'd ever
need - waste water goes to our septic tank. No involvement from any
water authority - no costs other than £40 - per year for water
filters.

Want to buy a bungalow, anybody ?
http://www.inspired-glass.co.uk/bungalow.htm

Adrian
Suffolk UK

steve


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Andy Mckenzie July 20th 05 10:04 AM

"Tim Lamb" wrote in message
...
In message , David Clay
writes
Hi
Does anyone know where I stand it extending and building over a well /
water
store that is within 8 feet of my house.
The well is about 10 foot deep and 4 feet in diameter, can I build over it
after capping or do I need to fill it in?

Any info most welcome.


Don't know about building problems but for interest....

We lived in a house built in 1907 which had a *soft water well*
constructed close (about 6') to the kitchen wall. All the rain water was
collected and routed into the chamber with overflow pipes to soaks in
the garden. There had been a *tank room* on the second floor which a
previous owner had converted to a tiny bathroom.

The structure was built in brick with an arched roof to carry the patio.

If yours is similar, checking your rainwater disposal system might be
wise:-) Otherwise, I don't see why you can't use a suitably sized
concrete lintel to carry the new imposed load. Watch out for the
overflow pipes.

regards

--
Tim Lamb


If you are going to fill it -
http://publications.environment-agen...99BEHE-e-e.pdf has
guidance on the environmental side, if not on the engineering of backfilling
ells.

Andy



Mary Fisher July 20th 05 11:06 AM


"Aidan" wrote in message
oups.com...


r.p.mcmurphy wrote:
how did they dig those wells that deep anyway?



http://www.kurg.org.uk/kurg/15_wells.htm


An excellent site - the whole thing.

Mary




David Lang July 20th 05 11:57 AM


"David Clay" wrote
Does anyone know where I stand it extending and building over a well /
water store that is within 8 feet of my house.
The well is about 10 foot deep and 4 feet in diameter, can I build over it
after capping or do I need to fill it in?


Tommy Walsh had a TV show where he went around helping people with building
work. Tommy makes it Big or something?

One episode(s) was about a kitchen extension over a well, which had a glass
lid fitted & lights inside.

Dave



Ian Stirling July 22nd 05 03:14 AM

r.p.mcmurphy wrote:

"David Clay" wrote in message
...
Hi
Does anyone know where I stand it extending and building over a well /
water store that is within 8 feet of my house.
The well is about 10 foot deep and 4 feet in diameter, can I build over it
after capping or do I need to fill it in?

Any info most welcome.

David


how did they dig those wells that deep anyway?

steve


Start from the bottom and keep digging till you reach daylight?

mark b July 22nd 05 08:00 AM


how did they dig those wells that deep anyway?


A circular wooden former is made, 4ft diameter. This allows a man to dig
inside.
The brick layer puts his bricks around the top of the former. The 'digger'
undercuts the former. The former with bricks sinks, more bricks are added,
more undercutting and so on.

So no excuse now not to have your own water supply.

mark b



Tony Williams July 22nd 05 08:25 AM

In article ,
mark b wrote:

A circular wooden former is made, 4ft diameter. This allows a man
to dig inside. The brick layer puts his bricks around the top of
the former. The 'digger' undercuts the former. The former with
bricks sinks, more bricks are added, more undercutting and so on.


Fascinating. Which explains the marvellous dry
brickwork in FiL's well.

It isn't a real well, it is a 'Herefordshire Soak'.
About 20ft deep, no water source at the bottom, but
brickwork arranged in an angled herringbone fashion,
so that water can percolate in sideways. Ideal for
use on (impermeable) clay soils, where the water
actually lies between clay layers.

I always wondered how they did such accurate brickwork.

Thanks.

--
Tony Williams.

Rob Morley July 22nd 05 01:40 PM

In article , "mark b"
says...

how did they dig those wells that deep anyway?


A circular wooden former is made, 4ft diameter. This allows a man to dig
inside.
The brick layer puts his bricks around the top of the former. The 'digger'
undercuts the former. The former with bricks sinks, more bricks are added,
more undercutting and so on.

Or they dig down a few feet (depending on how stable the soil is)
then fix a frame to the sides of the hole and build up to the
surface, then dig down a few more feet and build back up to the
existing brickwork ...

Tim S July 23rd 05 12:24 AM

On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:42:16 +0000, Andrew Gabriel wrote:

In article ,
"David Clay" writes:
Hi
Does anyone know where I stand it extending and building over a well / water
store that is within 8 feet of my house.
The well is about 10 foot deep and 4 feet in diameter, can I build over it
after capping or do I need to fill it in?


A pub I used to visit put a glass floor over a well they found
under the floor and spotlights down it. Still felt unconfortable
standing on the glass though, and it was a lot deeper than 10 feet.


Was that at Northiam by any chance?

Tim

Andrew Gabriel July 23rd 05 01:06 AM

In article ,
Tim S writes:
A pub I used to visit put a glass floor over a well they found
under the floor and spotlights down it. Still felt unconfortable
standing on the glass though, and it was a lot deeper than 10 feet.


Was that at Northiam by any chance?


That doesn't ring a bell, but I can't remember the name.
It was near Wheathampstead Herts, which is where I was
working at the time. I'll see if a former work colleague
who still lives around there can remember the name.

--
Andrew Gabriel

Tim Lamb July 23rd 05 08:56 AM

In message , Andrew Gabriel
writes
In article ,
Tim S writes:
A pub I used to visit put a glass floor over a well they found
under the floor and spotlights down it. Still felt unconfortable
standing on the glass though, and it was a lot deeper than 10 feet.


Was that at Northiam by any chance?


That doesn't ring a bell, but I can't remember the name.
It was near Wheathampstead Herts, which is where I was
working at the time. I'll see if a former work colleague
who still lives around there can remember the name.


The Elephant and Castle, Amwell.

regards


--
Tim Lamb


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